Is Tony Abbott ineligible for office because of his uk citizenship?


Is Tony Abbott ineligible for office because of his uk citizenship?

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http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-strange-and-suspicious-case-of-tony-abbotts-citizenship,6859

Why is the PM's chief of staff so desperate to prevent proof emerging about whether Tony Abbott is eligible to sit in Parliament? Sydney bureau chief Ross Jones reports.

You don’t want to be blocked by Mal Brough — look what happened to Peter Slipper.

It happened to Tony Magrathea when he posted a message to Brough telling him there was a serious cloud hanging over the legitimacy of his leader, Anthony John Abbott, to hold the highest public office in the land.

Magrathea is a Sunshine Coast-based blogger who doesn’t normally get involved in the political arena. He refers to himself as ‘The Ideas Man’ and his blog normally covers technology issues. He is not a lefty.

Born in England, Magrathea is about the same age as Abbott and, like Abbott, came to Australia as a £10 pom. Abbott arrived in 1960 aged three.

Before the last election, Abbott made a few comments that piqued Magrathea’s interest in Abbott’s progression from England to Australia, then back to England to Oxford, then back to Australia and a life in politics.

Magrathea noticed an odd thing: Abbott had been apparently granted Australian citizenship back in 1981 — as he was entitled to do, because while his father was British and he was born in London, his mother was Australian. This apparent change in status meant Abbott was now a dual British/Australian citizen.

1981 was the year Abbott ‘matriculated’ to Oxford, but he did so as a British citizen.

After Oxford, he returned to Australia and entered a seminary. The priesthood didn’t stick and, after managing a cement plant, and then some stints as a journalist, monarchist and apparatchik, he entered Parliament in 1994.

Section 44 of the Australian Constitution is clear when it says:

Dual nationality is considered an acknowledgement of allegiance and entitled to the privileges of citizenship of a foreign power disqualifies people from standing for parliament.
This is a provision strictly applied. In 1996, Jackie Kelly was forced to face a by-election after being found to have been elected holding both Australian and New Zealand citizenship. Employment Minister Senator Eric Abetz appears to have been elected to the Senate holding dual German and Australian citizenship before finally renouncing his citizenship after a High Court action has been commenced against him.

So Magrathea, in an idle moment, had a look around for the date Abbott renounced his British citizenship — but there was no apparent record.

He first turned to the National Archives of Australia who keep citizenship applications for everyone who applies to be an Australian citizen. These documents should record if Abbott had renounced his British citizenship at that time.

These are generally public documents available to all. However, in Abbott's case, the NAA decided to make the application file a secret document in February 2014.

Coming up blank there, he turned his attentions to the UK Border Office, part of the Home Office, which has a form called

‘Declaration of Renunciation of British Citizenship, British Overseas Citizenship, British Overseas Territories, British National (Overseas) Or British Subject Status’.
This declaration is otherwise known as Form RN and around 5,000 are completed each year.

In early May, Magrathea sent an FOI to the Home Office asking for Abbott’s RN.

They say they are still looking.

So, Magrathea put in an FOI to the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. Having half a brain, Magrathea waited until Abbott ‒ and, more importantly, his chief of staff Peta Credlin ‒ were in Washington in June.

Things, according to Magrathea, were going well and he’d made contact with a Department staffer who was willing to help in his quest. Apparently, on the day the public servant was to formally respond to Magrathea with the results of his search, Credlin came home and went straight to the office. She immediately kyboshed the request and told Magrathea,



Magrathea posted a note to his Federal MP Mal Brough’s Facebook page, pointing out that any doubt over the Prime Minister’s legal right to hold office should be settled before the upcoming G20 Summit.

Brough blocked him.

He posted the same thing to the Attorney-General Senator George Brandis. Nothing.

He posted to Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. No reply.

He wrote to the Federal Police regarding a possible crime against the Commonwealth. Nil. He wrote to the Queensland Governor General. Nada.

On 1 August, Magrathea’s email account was hacked and all his emails were deleted. What started as an innocent enquiry has begun to morph into something quite serious — and perhaps sinister. Certainly suspicious.

Abbott can clear the whole thing up in the blink of an eye, of course — just show us the RN and it will all be over.

But he and his camp followers don’t seem to want to do that — or allow others to release this information. We can only wonder why.

If the British Home Office come back to Magrathea and say they are unable to find the RN, things may move up a notch.

Find out more about this issue on Tony Magrathea’s blog tonymagrathea.blog.com.



 




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Too Long??

Basically,

if you have dual citizenship you cannot legally hold federal office in australia (see jackie kelly bi - election). Phony Scabbott will not show his renunciation of his british citizenship and the fella asking the question is getting targeted.

http://www.change.org/p/tony-abbott-show-us-your-papers-renouncing-your-british-citizenship-before-you-were-elected?share_id=LxkKBXaAZK&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

 




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Has been mentioned several times in the politics thread.

Nothing will come of it.

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What about Gillard, isn't she born in Wales or something like that.
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Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?
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u4486662 wrote:
Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?

I'd like to have a prime minister who doesn't have an anglo surname. Once upon a time we wouldn't even get anyone that isn't Anglican so it'll happen eventually. Albanese and Plibersek are "likely candidates" on the Labor side. Neither are that "ethnic" but they don't need to be.


Edited by mcjules: 4/9/2014 10:47:30 PM

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mcjules wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?

I'd like to have a prime minister who doesn't have an anglo surname. Once upon a time we wouldn't even get anyone that isn't Anglican so it'll happen eventually. Albanese and Plibersek are "likely candidates" on the Labor side. Neither are that "ethnic" but they don't need to be.


Edited by mcjules: 4/9/2014 10:47:30 PM

I'd be happy with an ethnically diverse prime minister that was born here.
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u4486662 wrote:
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u4486662 wrote:
Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?

I'd like to have a prime minister who doesn't have an anglo surname. Once upon a time we wouldn't even get anyone that isn't Anglican so it'll happen eventually. Albanese and Plibersek are "likely candidates" on the Labor side. Neither are that "ethnic" but they don't need to be.


Edited by mcjules: 4/9/2014 10:47:30 PM

I'd be happy with an ethnically diverse prime minister that was born here.

How about someone who can do the job well...irrespective of their background.
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SocaWho wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?

I'd like to have a prime minister who doesn't have an anglo surname. Once upon a time we wouldn't even get anyone that isn't Anglican so it'll happen eventually. Albanese and Plibersek are "likely candidates" on the Labor side. Neither are that "ethnic" but they don't need to be.


Edited by mcjules: 4/9/2014 10:47:30 PM

I'd be happy with an ethnically diverse prime minister that was born here.

How about someone who can do the job well...irrespective of their background.



Too bad we don't have one.

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this is like Obamagate all over again
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ricecrackers wrote:
this is like Obamagate all over again



WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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What does where they were born have any bearing on how they can do the job? And why should it matter where they are born as long as they are Australian citizens?

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Eastern Glory wrote:
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What does where they were born have any bearing on how they can do the job? And why should it matter where they are born as long as they are Australian citizens?


doesn't matter where you are born. like is says in the article \:d/ :

the constitution is clear. you cannot hold the citizenship of a foreign power while you are in office. the problem is that phony scabbott might have dual citizenship and therefore holds allegiance to another country as well as Australia.

i think it's pretty fair to demand that federal politicians - especially the prime minister - hold a single allegiance to Australia, regardless of where they are born.



 




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Edited by inala brah: 5/9/2014 01:26:17 AM

 




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I don't get why people with dual citizenship should be excluded from running for passport. Australia is a country of immigrants bar the aboriginals and it's natural that people should still have some ties to their homelands. As long as they are doing their job to their fullest extent to represent their constituents, who gives a fuck if they want to hold onto their EU or American passport for whatever reason

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mcjules wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?

I'd like to have a prime minister who doesn't have an anglo surname. Once upon a time we wouldn't even get anyone that isn't Anglican so it'll happen eventually. Albanese and Plibersek are "likely candidates" on the Labor side. Neither are that "ethnic" but they don't need to be.


Edited by mcjules: 4/9/2014 10:47:30 PM


yeah well keating is clearly irish. and you can go stand in belfast and call that an anglo name if you want and see how far it gets you

and gillard is french



 




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melbourne_terrace wrote:
I don't get why people with dual citizenship should be excluded from running for passport. Australia is a country of immigrants bar the aboriginals and it's natural that people should still have some ties to their homelands. As long as they are doing their job to their fullest extent to represent their constituents, who gives a fuck if they want to hold onto their EU or American passport for whatever reason


i care. a lot of people care - even in modern day apathetic australia.

and it's a pretty important part of our independence and federation that we separated from the overlords of england. no more representing other foreign interests. if you are going to represent Australians in parliament fucking commit to it.

 




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u4486662 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?

I'd like to have a prime minister who doesn't have an anglo surname. Once upon a time we wouldn't even get anyone that isn't Anglican so it'll happen eventually. Albanese and Plibersek are "likely candidates" on the Labor side. Neither are that "ethnic" but they don't need to be.


Edited by mcjules: 4/9/2014 10:47:30 PM

I'd be happy with an ethnically diverse prime minister that was born here.


I wouldn't mind seeing Penny Wong having a crack.

Seems quite sharp and reasonably normal. (I.E. not a micro-managing, control freak like Rudd or a born to rule, please punch me in the head, Christopher Pyne type).



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Munrubenmuz wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?

I'd like to have a prime minister who doesn't have an anglo surname. Once upon a time we wouldn't even get anyone that isn't Anglican so it'll happen eventually. Albanese and Plibersek are "likely candidates" on the Labor side. Neither are that "ethnic" but they don't need to be.


Edited by mcjules: 4/9/2014 10:47:30 PM

I'd be happy with an ethnically diverse prime minister that was born here.


I wouldn't mind seeing Penny Wong having a crack.

Seems quite sharp and reasonably normal. (I.E. not a micro-managing, control freak like Rudd or a born to rule, please punch me in the head, Christopher Pyne type).


would love to see this but i would feel sorry for the shit she would have to cop to do the job. she is a 'woman of calibre'..

 




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What scares me more is the muppet's we have in politics in this country, we have nobody displaying any think near the type of leadership that we saw with guys like John Howard or dare I say it, Keating.

But what nobody has picked up on is Clive this week feathered he's own interests, he effectively used the the mining tax, something he's companies dearly do not want to pay, as a bargaining chip to prevent a rise in compulsory Superannuation, Gee just another thing companies don't want to pay, and the trade off, yes they drop the mining tax, double win for Clive's mining business, Zero to Australia and zero to the Australian people.

FFS people, we are voting in people who have no interest in the national economy and more interest in themselves, maybe they are not the muppets, I'm starting to think we are ](*,)
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PUP got votes from people who are disenfranchised with both Labour and LNP.

When the two major parties are both run by fuckwits then you leave the door open for even bigger ones to walk through it.

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inala brah wrote:
mcjules wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Is it too much to ask to have a prime minister who was born here?

I'd like to have a prime minister who doesn't have an anglo surname. Once upon a time we wouldn't even get anyone that isn't Anglican so it'll happen eventually. Albanese and Plibersek are "likely candidates" on the Labor side. Neither are that "ethnic" but they don't need to be.


Edited by mcjules: 4/9/2014 10:47:30 PM


yeah well keating is clearly irish. and you can go stand in belfast and call that an anglo name if you want and see how far it gets you

and gillard is french

Ok Anglo or Irish :roll:

Though it sounds French, everything I've found would suggest Gillard is a British surname. Wiktionary says it's origins are from Middle English though I wouldn't trust it outright.

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Lol sack him.


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paulbagzFC wrote:
Has been mentioned several times in the politics thread.

Nothing will come of it.

-PB


This.

SocaWho wrote:
What about Gillard, isn't she born in Wales or something like that.


This.

ricecrackers wrote:
this is like Obamagate all over again


This.


Edited by wamackie: 5/9/2014 09:03:55 AM
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Many rules have been broken in politics. No one is going to stop those who have made the rules. Abbott is nothing but a dumb puppet and I'm pretty sure that our useless as fuck constitution mentions that if you are not born here you can't be pm.

But who cares about the constitution. If we had a referendum we might accidentally become a republic or something.


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