news.com.au :lol:

Teenage preacher :lol:

-PB

Cheers mate, will have a look around. On the surface of it, I wouldn't take a teenage preacher as an authority for all muslims though.

Was a feature on Radio National news this morning about 'some' Muslim leaders disputing that the kid had attacked the cops... However, the actual quote was more along the (very balanced and sensible) line of "If the sequence of events is as reported, then we should condemn his actions outright - but we don't want to condemn the boy or the police until we know the full story".

What is the other possible story?

That the cops stabbed themselves? Multiple times? In an attempt to frame some Muslim kid, and then plant a bag on him that contains an even bigger knife and an ISIL flag?

Its always possible I guess.

Yeah the only thing that might be in question is if the cops provoked him, still means he stabbed him and was always going to get himself killed for it. The quote is entirely reasonable though, if you're making official statements you don't want to jump to any conclusions.

http://www.alp.org.au/openletter_islamiccommunity
Unfortunately, letters like this will get ignored.

I think we all acknowledge we are talking about 1% of that community. A few days ago a couple of cops were probably thinking "teenage jihadist :)"

Whilst drunk last night, I was discussing the ISIS issue, and in the end we came up with getting the Braboys to declare a 'bongwa' on ISIS, and then send them in ready to fight.

Then why write "Muslim Logic"?

I've yet to find this teenage Qld preacher article on news.com.au but the rest seem like pretty normal responses from a group of people that are getting defensive/protective because they feel like they are being marginalized.

The Islamic story in Australia has a rich history and grows stronger each year. Australia’s Muslim community continues to do our nation a great service by fostering enduring cultural and religious harmony, and making a substantial contribution to our national prosperity.

What a load of pandering tripe.

A bongwa. That is the single greatest thing I've heard heard in my life. Bongwa. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If one wants to take it to extremes... They could be asking whether the stabbings took place at all, whether it was staged, whether the boy was threatened, whether he brought the knife or it was put into his hand after the attack, etc. All ridiculous suggestions in reality, because whatever our feelings about the powers that be, I doubt anyone would seriously think that the police would think it a good idea to shoot a kid in the carpark of one of their own stations.

What I liked about the statement the guy was making was that he made it quite clear that attacks like this are to be condemned, unless the official story is proved false. Knowing how secure police stations are, I find it very hard to believe that there won't be security camera footage of the car park/entrance, in which case it should be fairly easy to get an indication of what happened.

In what way?

I think you'll find that the vast majority of the Islamic community in Australia conforms to the above statement. A small number of dickheads. The anti-Muslim stance is no less misguided that thinking that all Christians in America are negro-hanging-cross-burning KKK members, or that the majority of Catholics in Ireland are keen to blow up a soldier.

Way to completely miss the point of my post. ](*,)

It wasn't about calling them all terrorists, it was about the notion that Islamic influence in Australia is overwhelmingly positive. Multiculturalism in communities erodes community trust.

How so?

-PB

Afghan traders are the reason why there are camels in Australia.

This is going to get ugly....


http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/uniformed-australian-defence-force-member-allegedly-attacked-by-men-of-middle-eastern-appearance-in-western-sydney/story-fnj3rq0y-1227070573383

A MEMBER of the Australian defence forces has been assaulted and threatened by two men of Middle Eastern appearance in Bella Vista in north-western Sydney.
The attack follows the knife attack on two police officers in Victoria that ended with an 18-year-old Islamic extremist being shot dead in Victoria.
Numan Haider was shot dead after stabbing two police officers outside a Melbourne police
NSW Police confirmed today that they were investigating the alleged attack on a member of the Australian Defence Force in full navy uniform at 6am.

It is understood punches were thrown and threats of beheading were made.

A police spokesman confirmed the 41-year-old man allegedly suffered minor bruising in the attack and reported it later by telephone to Kings Cross police.

“The two men were described as being of Middle Eastern appearance,” the spokesman said.
Defence force families have already been put on high alert after an incident in Western Sydney in which two men of Middle Eastern appearance approached the house of a serving soldier and asked if defence force personnel lived there.
They left after the wife of the soldier told them “no”.

NSW Police have also been told to be “vigilant” following the Melbourne attack by radicalised teenager Numan Haider.
Originally published as ADF member attacked in Sydney

Edited by colin: 25/9/2014 06:33:50 PM

ffs.

When you create a hostile society, the society is bound to create a less harmonious living environment.

You tell people Muslims are terrorists, people will attack them. You attack a people, they will fight back.






P.S. I do not condone fighting back, but i can not excuse the hate caused by the government and media.

Maybe stop attacking and threatening people, then there will be less hate???

IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam -- famous for "Bowling Alone," his 2000 book on declining civic engagement -- has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

...

But even after statistically taking them all into account, the connection remained strong: Higher diversity meant lower social capital. In his findings, Putnam writes that those in more diverse communities tend to "distrust their neighbors, regardless of the color of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television."

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/?page=full

Edited by 433: 25/9/2014 07:45:20 PM

If i'm reading this correctly essentially once again it's Australia's fault for everything?

So the media just 'created' everything then.

Please :roll:

Same old story. It plays out all the time in the muslim community and rhetoric from their community leaders as well. The Victorian islamic council came out a practically defended the young guys actions after he stabbed those 2 police, saying that people should what for all the facts to come out before reading too much into it, and placed the blame on the police for being heavy handed and harassing him in the days prior to the incident.

This really irks me. The facts are pretty simple, he stabbed 2 officers of the law and yet muslim community leaders are playing the victim card and how he was a "good young man". FFS come on.....

Fear and loathing

Links, fuckwad

"Hey terrorist, terrorize this"

Way to go Pauline.

Would there still be a national outcry if it was just some white trash bogan that tried to stab some cops and got shot dead?

-PB

Obviously not... Context is critical here

As for the incident in Bella Vista today... Fuck that right off. Stay in Sydney's south west please. Not welcome up here :lol:

Once again, ISIS/IS are not Islam or representatives of Islam. They claim to act on what is Shariah, and yet they break every law of Shariah.

Also, stop constantly attacking the middle east and maybe they wont attack back. Double edged sword. You say to stop attacking people, is that not what the West has been doing to the Middle East for as certainly as long as I have lived. I dont condone the actions of either side, but surely if you suppress a people for close to 5 decades cumulative, then you cant expect them to just sit back and accept it.



Never said it was Australias fault for everything. Just said that when the media coverage has been what it is, then surely the rest of society will have a picture painted for them of what the Muslims and Islam actually aren't.




I havent seen the VIC defending the actions of that idiot, but if they did, I would like to see the source.

In a way they are right, why jump to conclusions based on a media report? Why not wait for all the facts to come out? To be honest, I didnt read the full story or go in to depth about it. Quite frankly I am sick of all these idiots who call for Shariah Law and claim to be fighting the 'good fight' for Islam. They are not representatives of Islam, and every action of theirs is in fact breaking the laws of what they claim to follow.

I am not talking about this incident. I am talking about general Islamaphobia and victimisation of the Muslim community. I have presented plenty evidence to show that those who go and fight in these middle eastern countries as suicide bombers and so on, are doing so not because Islam tells them to, but for every other reason than. All the evidence I have provided has been ignored.

All I am saying, is yes, there are idiots and nutters out there. But why give them the air time. Why plaster Islam (or any religion) in such a bad light all over the front pages of every newspaper. What purpose does that serve? It only serves to fuel the fire. It happens all the time. You really think all this hate filled propaganda is going to serve any good? Muslims all over the world have denounced ISIS/IS, and even the actions of those found guilty in Australia. Any support for these groups or people has been very minimal, but obviously overly evident through constant media exposure to one side rather than impartiality. Muslims have condemned terrorism and these idiotic and pathetic groups and individuals time and time again. Yet certain people continue to ignore that and just fuel the fire.


A government will fuel the means of their actions by justifying them whether that justification is truthful or not.


Edited by zimbos_05: 26/9/2014 12:39:13 AM