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notorganic wrote:
Bolt deserves as much oxygen as the fruitloop gunman.

Mouth breathers tend to require more oxygen as the process for gas exchange is less efficient.
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Have we discussed the "False Flag" theory yet?


If it was a false flag it wasn't well thought through and backfired badly. I thought it was initially.


Wasn't a false flag incident.


Funny that the Reserve Bank, Westpac Bank HQ and NSW Supreme Court all evacuated for one bloke in a coffee shop. Has anyone looked at the Court Register for Monday? Any significant cases were scheduled to be heard? I reckon it could be a botched false flag.
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WaMackie wrote:
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Have we discussed the "False Flag" theory yet?


If it was a false flag it wasn't well thought through and backfired badly. I thought it was initially.


Wasn't a false flag incident.


Funny that the Reserve Bank, Westpac Bank HQ and NSW Supreme Court all evacuated for one bloke in a coffee shop. Has anyone looked at the Court Register for Monday? Any significant cases were scheduled to be heard? I reckon it could be a botched false flag.

They wouldn't need to go to all that trouble.

An anonymous phone call to the police to say there were bombs in those buildings would've sufficed.
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Normally after a case of this size, there is a tendency to introduce new laws which take away our liberties “under the guise of improving your safety”.

Funny that the budget blowout, a GST increase, the Fed Govt down in the dumps, with Senate knocking everything back, is also occurring.

Also funny that G20 was just here too…..

As a side issue, no one has worked out Angeline Jolie was here the same weekend as G20, yet has connections to a de-populate the earth body known as the Council of Foreign Relations, and how she has been defamed in the “Sony Leaks” stuff of late. But most people can’t see past the “visual beauty of her”.

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WaMackie wrote:
Normally after a case of this size, there is a tendency to introduce new laws which take away our liberties “under the guise of improving your safety”.

Funny that the budget blowout, a GST increase, the Fed Govt down in the dumps, with Senate knocking everything back, is also occurring.

Also funny that G20 was just here too…..

As a side issue, no one has worked out Angeline Jolie was here the same weekend as G20, yet has connections to a de-populate the earth body known as the Council of Foreign Relations, and how she has been defamed in the “Sony Leaks” stuff of late. But most people can’t see past the “visual beauty of her”.


How much weed do you smoke?
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WaMackie wrote:
Normally after a case of this size, there is a tendency to introduce new laws which take away our liberties “under the guise of improving your safety”.

Funny that the budget blowout, a GST increase, the Fed Govt down in the dumps, with Senate knocking everything back, is also occurring.

Also funny that G20 was just here too…..

As a side issue, no one has worked out Angeline Jolie was here the same weekend as G20, yet has connections to a de-populate the earth body known as the Council of Foreign Relations, and how she has been defamed in the “Sony Leaks” stuff of late. But most people can’t see past the “visual beauty of her”.


Is this a "nickk has come up with a couple of cracking conspiracy theories lately, I'd had better make sure I win the conspiracy theory of the year award with something pretty special"?

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damonzzzz wrote:
WaMackie wrote:
Normally after a case of this size, there is a tendency to introduce new laws which take away our liberties “under the guise of improving your safety”.

Funny that the budget blowout, a GST increase, the Fed Govt down in the dumps, with Senate knocking everything back, is also occurring.

Also funny that G20 was just here too…..

As a side issue, no one has worked out Angeline Jolie was here the same weekend as G20, yet has connections to a de-populate the earth body known as the Council of Foreign Relations, and how she has been defamed in the “Sony Leaks” stuff of late. But most people can’t see past the “visual beauty of her”.


How much weed do you smoke?



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WaMackie wrote:
Normally after a case of this size, there is a tendency to introduce new laws which take away our liberties “under the guise of improving your safety”.

Funny that the budget blowout, a GST increase, the Fed Govt down in the dumps, with Senate knocking everything back, is also occurring.

Also funny that G20 was just here too…..

As a side issue, no one has worked out Angeline Jolie was here the same weekend as G20, yet has connections to a de-populate the earth body known as the Council of Foreign Relations, and how she has been defamed in the “Sony Leaks” stuff of late. But most people can’t see past the “visual beauty of her”.

Um.....Angelina Jolie?

What?


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biscuitman1871 wrote:
WaMackie wrote:
Normally after a case of this size, there is a tendency to introduce new laws which take away our liberties “under the guise of improving your safety”.

Funny that the budget blowout, a GST increase, the Fed Govt down in the dumps, with Senate knocking everything back, is also occurring.

Also funny that G20 was just here too…..

As a side issue, no one has worked out Angeline Jolie was here the same weekend as G20, yet has connections to a de-populate the earth body known as the Council of Foreign Relations, and how she has been defamed in the “Sony Leaks” stuff of late. But most people can’t see past the “visual beauty of her”.


Is this a "nickk has come up with a couple of cracking conspiracy theories lately, I'd had better make sure I win the conspiracy theory of the year award with something pretty special"?


Yep that's the one...... :)
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So turns out the guy had a gun licence.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
So turns out the guy had a gun licence.

Prepare for tighter gun laws.



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Heineken wrote:
sydneycroatia58 wrote:
So turns out the guy had a gun licence.

Prepare for tighter gun laws.



NSW Police have now said they have no records of Man Monis having a firearms licence in NSW.
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Opinion: Why does Islam beget violence?
ANDREW BOLT THE COURIER-MAIL DECEMBER 17, 2014 12:00AM

MAN Haron Monis couldn’t have done more to make the deaf hear that the terror he unleashed in Sydney was in the name of Islam.

As he walked into the Lindt Chocolate Cafe with his shotgun on Monday he wore a headband bearing the war cry: “We are ready to sacrifice for you, O Muhammad.”

The Iranian-born cleric had already fought for Islam by sending jeering letters to the families of Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

On his Facebook page he’d posted jihadist porn and pledged his allegiance to the bloody caliphate of ISIS.

And in that coffee shop on Monday he conscripted his terrified hostages at gunpoint into his personal jihad.

He ordered some to hold up against the window a black Shahada flag announcing: “There is no God but Allah; Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah.”

LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS FOR ANDREW BOLT BELOW

He made videos of three of them reciting his demands, which included ordering police to fetch him an ISIS flag, and broadcast this explanation: “This is an attack on Australia by Islamic State.”

Then he killed two captives.

I don’t know how much more explicit Monis could have been. And I don’t know how more wilfully deaf some people can be.

“Cops still baffled by gunman’s motivations,” AAP reported yesterday.

The Age, in one long online news report on the terror attack, avoided any use of the words “Islam” or “Muslim”.

ABC reporters and commentators, especially on Radio National, babbled how this unfortunate episode had nothing to do with Islam, given Monis was clearly crazy.

Islamic groups claimed nothing in their faith licensed this ghastly attack and Monis’s former lawyer, Manny Conditsis, summed up this deep evasion in an interview with the ABC: “Yes, he said he was of the Islam faith but he could have been any other damaged individual that did what he did.”

Except, of course, we rarely get damaged individuals killing people in chocolate shops in the name of Buddha. We don’t get damaged individuals beheading a British soldier in the name of Christ.

We didn’t get damaged individuals shooting a Canadian soldier guarding Canada’s cenotaph, or plotting bombings of our MCG, or trying to blow up jets with the explosives in their shoes or their underwear in the name of any faith other than Islam.

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True, Monis seemed crazy. True, crazy people of all kinds kill and do not need a faith to make them pull a trigger – as we saw at Port Arthur.

Yet are the apologists really trying to dismiss the faith of Monis as just a coincidence?

Must we always feign this surprise when a terrorist is found to be – gasp – Muslim? Surely we can drop this absurd game given 21 of the 21 people jailed for terrorism offences here in the past couple of decades were all Muslim, as are 19 of the 20 proscribed terrorist groups in Australia.

Surely we’re entitled to conclude something specific to Islam seems to license violence, given we have just as many Buddhists here as Muslims, yet not one Buddhist has killed here for his faith.

Yes, Monis was not a rational man, which I suspect is true of so many other notorious Islamist killers.

The question is: What would Christianity have inspired Monis to do? Preach Armageddon at some street corner? Now ask what Islam, as interpreted by a minority of extremists, whispered in Monis’s ear.

Whisper? It shouted. As Monis’s lawyer conceded yesterday: “His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness.”

The ideology Monis followed was inspired in large part by Islamic scriptures that urge believers to “kill the polytheists wherever you find them” and exhorts “so when you meet those who disbelieve (in battle), strike (their) necks”.

We’re told, as always, that those who take seriously such passages in the Koran and Hadith are a tiny, unrepresentative minority.

But wait. The Sydney Morning Herald reports Monis had more than 14,000 “likes” on Facebook and a Muslim community leader asked by counterterrorism authorities to find the ISIS flag Monis demanded said: “I found plenty of people who had one, but they didn’t want to give them up.”

LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS FOR ANDREW BOLT BELOW

So why this denial about Islam – and specifically about its role in this attack?

For the authorities it is about public order. They fear reprisals against Muslims and also do not wish to alienate the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims here whose help they need against radicals.

For the Left more generally, to admit the latent threat in Islam would be to question disastrous Leftist programs that have left this country more exposed to political violence – particularly our too-lax immigration programs, multiculturalism and the much-rorted “refugee” programs that let in Monis in 1996. It is also to seem unkind.

But the denial, the racism of the anti-racists, it all must end.

The elements are shocking, true. But Islam contains a strong streak of violence and intolerance of other creeds. Mass immigration from the Middle East has left us in greater danger than before. Muslim leaders were recklessly slow to help fight extremism in their doctrine and their followers, including the mad.

And by screaming “racist” rather than allow debate, our academics, commentators and politicians deafened us to the warnings until it was too late.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/opinion-why-does-islam-beget-violence/story-fnihsr9v-1227158640432


Probably saying what lots are thinking


I hate Bolt, but on this occasion a lot of what he says is hard to argue with. I'm sure he enjoyed typing it. It's nice that he at least tried to acknowledge that there are Muslims who are not a problem (even if he did say it in such a way as to imply that we only need to be nice to them because they can help us with those who are a problem).

I would take him to task on one major issue though... His suggestion that these sorts of things don't happen in the name of Christianity... Perhaps if he put his thinking hat on he could remember all the shit Christians pulled on each other in Ireland in the 70s-90s (a civil war of sorts, but clearly drawn along religious lines and justified by their faith that they were doing God's work); ditto the ethnic cleansing on Muslims in Bosnia by, wait, surely not Christians - in the name of the Lord; or the relatively recent Christian genocide of Muslims in Rwanda... Hey ho, no worry though... It's only Islamic fundamentalists we need to concern ourselves with.
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Benjamin wrote:
StiflersMom wrote:
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Opinion: Why does Islam beget violence?
ANDREW BOLT THE COURIER-MAIL DECEMBER 17, 2014 12:00AM

MAN Haron Monis couldn’t have done more to make the deaf hear that the terror he unleashed in Sydney was in the name of Islam.

As he walked into the Lindt Chocolate Cafe with his shotgun on Monday he wore a headband bearing the war cry: “We are ready to sacrifice for you, O Muhammad.”

The Iranian-born cleric had already fought for Islam by sending jeering letters to the families of Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

On his Facebook page he’d posted jihadist porn and pledged his allegiance to the bloody caliphate of ISIS.

And in that coffee shop on Monday he conscripted his terrified hostages at gunpoint into his personal jihad.

He ordered some to hold up against the window a black Shahada flag announcing: “There is no God but Allah; Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah.”

LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS FOR ANDREW BOLT BELOW

He made videos of three of them reciting his demands, which included ordering police to fetch him an ISIS flag, and broadcast this explanation: “This is an attack on Australia by Islamic State.”

Then he killed two captives.

I don’t know how much more explicit Monis could have been. And I don’t know how more wilfully deaf some people can be.

“Cops still baffled by gunman’s motivations,” AAP reported yesterday.

The Age, in one long online news report on the terror attack, avoided any use of the words “Islam” or “Muslim”.

ABC reporters and commentators, especially on Radio National, babbled how this unfortunate episode had nothing to do with Islam, given Monis was clearly crazy.

Islamic groups claimed nothing in their faith licensed this ghastly attack and Monis’s former lawyer, Manny Conditsis, summed up this deep evasion in an interview with the ABC: “Yes, he said he was of the Islam faith but he could have been any other damaged individual that did what he did.”

Except, of course, we rarely get damaged individuals killing people in chocolate shops in the name of Buddha. We don’t get damaged individuals beheading a British soldier in the name of Christ.

We didn’t get damaged individuals shooting a Canadian soldier guarding Canada’s cenotaph, or plotting bombings of our MCG, or trying to blow up jets with the explosives in their shoes or their underwear in the name of any faith other than Islam.

LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS FOR ANDREW BOLT BELOW

True, Monis seemed crazy. True, crazy people of all kinds kill and do not need a faith to make them pull a trigger – as we saw at Port Arthur.

Yet are the apologists really trying to dismiss the faith of Monis as just a coincidence?

Must we always feign this surprise when a terrorist is found to be – gasp – Muslim? Surely we can drop this absurd game given 21 of the 21 people jailed for terrorism offences here in the past couple of decades were all Muslim, as are 19 of the 20 proscribed terrorist groups in Australia.

Surely we’re entitled to conclude something specific to Islam seems to license violence, given we have just as many Buddhists here as Muslims, yet not one Buddhist has killed here for his faith.

Yes, Monis was not a rational man, which I suspect is true of so many other notorious Islamist killers.

The question is: What would Christianity have inspired Monis to do? Preach Armageddon at some street corner? Now ask what Islam, as interpreted by a minority of extremists, whispered in Monis’s ear.

Whisper? It shouted. As Monis’s lawyer conceded yesterday: “His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness.”

The ideology Monis followed was inspired in large part by Islamic scriptures that urge believers to “kill the polytheists wherever you find them” and exhorts “so when you meet those who disbelieve (in battle), strike (their) necks”.

We’re told, as always, that those who take seriously such passages in the Koran and Hadith are a tiny, unrepresentative minority.

But wait. The Sydney Morning Herald reports Monis had more than 14,000 “likes” on Facebook and a Muslim community leader asked by counterterrorism authorities to find the ISIS flag Monis demanded said: “I found plenty of people who had one, but they didn’t want to give them up.”

LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS FOR ANDREW BOLT BELOW

So why this denial about Islam – and specifically about its role in this attack?

For the authorities it is about public order. They fear reprisals against Muslims and also do not wish to alienate the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims here whose help they need against radicals.

For the Left more generally, to admit the latent threat in Islam would be to question disastrous Leftist programs that have left this country more exposed to political violence – particularly our too-lax immigration programs, multiculturalism and the much-rorted “refugee” programs that let in Monis in 1996. It is also to seem unkind.

But the denial, the racism of the anti-racists, it all must end.

The elements are shocking, true. But Islam contains a strong streak of violence and intolerance of other creeds. Mass immigration from the Middle East has left us in greater danger than before. Muslim leaders were recklessly slow to help fight extremism in their doctrine and their followers, including the mad.

And by screaming “racist” rather than allow debate, our academics, commentators and politicians deafened us to the warnings until it was too late.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/opinion-why-does-islam-beget-violence/story-fnihsr9v-1227158640432


Probably saying what lots are thinking


I hate Bolt, but on this occasion a lot of what he says is hard to argue with. I'm sure he enjoyed typing it. It's nice that he at least tried to acknowledge that there are Muslims who are not a problem (even if he did say it in such a way as to imply that we only need to be nice to them because they can help us with those who are a problem).

I would take him to task on one major issue though... His suggestion that these sorts of things don't happen in the name of Christianity... Perhaps if he put his thinking hat on he could remember all the shit Christians pulled on each other in Ireland in the 70s-90s (a civil war of sorts, but clearly drawn along religious lines and justified by their faith that they were doing God's work); ditto the ethnic cleansing on Muslims in Bosnia by, wait, surely not Christians - in the name of the Lord; or the relatively recent Christian genocide of Muslims in Rwanda... Hey ho, no worry though... It's only Islamic fundamentalists we need to concern ourselves with.

But you know bolta , if it doesnt fit in his argument he glosses over it . Ive read his blog and I must say their are some really fucked up people out there
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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I hate Bolt, but on this occasion a lot of what he says is hard to argue with. I'm sure he enjoyed typing it. It's nice that he at least tried to acknowledge that there are Muslims who are not a problem (even if he did say it in such a way as to imply that we only need to be nice to them because they can help us with those who are a problem).

I would take him to task on one major issue though... His suggestion that these sorts of things don't happen in the name of Christianity... Perhaps if he put his thinking hat on he could remember all the shit Christians pulled on each other in Ireland in the 70s-90s (a civil war of sorts, but clearly drawn along religious lines and justified by their faith that they were doing God's work); ditto the ethnic cleansing on Muslims in Bosnia by, wait, surely not Christians - in the name of the Lord; or the relatively recent Christian genocide of Muslims in Rwanda... Hey ho, no worry though... It's only Islamic fundamentalists we need to concern ourselves with.

But you know bolta , if it doesnt fit in his argument he glosses over it . Ive read his blog and I must say their are some really fucked up people out there


You can hardly single out Bolt for that. Every columnist does it to push their point of view (whatever that may be).
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Oh I know . The problem with bolt and jones and devine is that they are out there , pushing buttons to get what they want
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
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So turns out the guy had a gun licence.

Prepare for tighter gun laws.



NSW Police have now said they have no records of Man Monis having a firearms licence in NSW.

Yep so good that the nation's Prime Minister was finger pointing and getting fundamental facts wrong :oops:

Edited by mcjules: 17/12/2014 09:08:22 PM

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To be fair, he probably didn't have a gun license. Pretty sure you can't get one with a criminal record.

It's not difficult to get illegal firearms in Sydney anyway. :lol:

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433 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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I hate Bolt, but on this occasion a lot of what he says is hard to argue with. I'm sure he enjoyed typing it. It's nice that he at least tried to acknowledge that there are Muslims who are not a problem (even if he did say it in such a way as to imply that we only need to be nice to them because they can help us with those who are a problem).

I would take him to task on one major issue though... His suggestion that these sorts of things don't happen in the name of Christianity... Perhaps if he put his thinking hat on he could remember all the shit Christians pulled on each other in Ireland in the 70s-90s (a civil war of sorts, but clearly drawn along religious lines and justified by their faith that they were doing God's work); ditto the ethnic cleansing on Muslims in Bosnia by, wait, surely not Christians - in the name of the Lord; or the relatively recent Christian genocide of Muslims in Rwanda... Hey ho, no worry though... It's only Islamic fundamentalists we need to concern ourselves with.

But you know bolta , if it doesnt fit in his argument he glosses over it . Ive read his blog and I must say their are some really fucked up people out there


You can hardly single out Bolt for that. Every columnist does it to push their point of view (whatever that may be).



i think the thing with Bolt is he is prepared to say what he wants and doesn't care if you like it or not, and to many people who have an opposing view it pisses them off massively......i think a lot of what he says is very accurate, but i think you just don't want to acknowledge it or accept it
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The guy was a refugee who rocked up to Australia and has never had a job, and been on Centrelink payments since he got here in 1996 from Iran.

One could argue as taxpayers, we paid him to kill our own.

I really can't stand people who take advantage of our country like this. No matter who they are or where they come from.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
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So turns out the guy had a gun licence.

Prepare for tighter gun laws.



NSW Police have now said they have no records of Man Monis having a firearms licence in NSW.


Gonna say. They won't be any tighter, they are already tight.

Illegal weapons are easy enough to obtain.

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Double Edged Sword wrote:
The guy was a refugee who rocked up to Australia and has never had a job, and been on Centrelink payments since he got here in 1996 from Iran.

One could argue as taxpayers, we paid him to kill our own.

I really can't stand people who take advantage of our country like this. No matter who they are or where they come from.

Too many bleeding hearts in Australia. I bet they feel sorry for the gunman and not the true victims because he had such an unfortunate upbringing in Iran. What rubs salt into the wounds even more is the fact that the Iranian Government wanted him extradited back to Iran for Fraud Charges, yet somehow the government didn't comply.
Meanwhile , apparently the hashtag #Illridewithyou trend was started by some Greens Party member / affiliate. Don't get me wrong I discourage the discrimination against innocent law abiding muslims, but I can't stand the lefty apologists that feel the need to make the rest of society feel guilty if they aren't onboard with this thing, just so they can feel righteous.

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They're not bleeding hearts.

Bleeding heart white guilt rhetoric would be to say that the gunman was a "victim as well". Nobody is saying that.

People were obviously fearful that a group of bogans could easily harass and/or abuse an innocent muslim woman on public transport as a result of this. Its happened before and it was a genuine concern.

This is not an example of lefty white guilt. Its actually a sign of a more mature society.

Harassing innocent muslims is probably the worst thing someone could do to tackle the problem of radicalised islam.
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So AFP now confirm themselves that Monis was not a registered firearms licence holder. Which begs the question, where the fuck did Abbott get that from.
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u4486662 wrote:
They're not bleeding hearts.

Bleeding heart white guilt rhetoric would be to say that the gunman was a "victim as well". Nobody is saying that.

People were obviously fearful that a group of bogans could easily harass and/or abuse an innocent muslim woman on public transport as a result of this. Its happened before and it was a genuine concern.

This is not an example of lefty white guilt. Its actually a sign of a more mature society.

Harassing innocent muslims is probably the worst thing someone could do to tackle the problem of radicalised islam.

I half agree with what you say...I agree that demonising innocent muslims on the street is unacceptable. But we can't beat around the bush to call a problem for what it is. Over a hundred Pakistani school kids got massacred yesterday. Now are we going to say it was just a bunch of crazy madmen and it was an isolated incident. If there is a pattern of behaviour (and that is violence perpetuated in the name of Islam) then it is something that needs to be addressed. I would say the same if it was done if the name of Christianity, Buddhism,Maoism, or whatever. But as a society sometimes the hard questions need to be asked. Much of the left wing believes that "freedom of speech" is ok to be preached by Islamic clerics that threaten national security or that its ok to wear the burqa in a petrol station but its not ok to wear a motorcycle helmet. That should not be included as freedom of speech. On the flip side I don't agree with the sending of troops to the middle east since it encourages this form of extremism and that innocent children and women killed over there are regarded as less of a premium. I don't like either Right or Left Wing methodology and I will place an absentee ballot at the next election.


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So fucking what if Iran wanted him extradited. Have you seen what they do to apostates?
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SocaWho wrote:
I don't like either Right or Left Wing methodology and I will place an absentee ballot at the next election.


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An absentee vote is when you lodge your vote at a polling booth which is outside of the electorate you are registered to vote in.

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humbert wrote:
So fucking what if Iran wanted him extradited. Have you seen what they do to apostates?

Actually I don't, but I wouldn't mind seeing what had happened to Monis if he did happen to have been extradited over there.
But instead he inflicted his pain on misery on 17 innocent people here, so lets focus on the main issue.

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SocaWho wrote:
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They're not bleeding hearts.

Bleeding heart white guilt rhetoric would be to say that the gunman was a "victim as well". Nobody is saying that.

People were obviously fearful that a group of bogans could easily harass and/or abuse an innocent muslim woman on public transport as a result of this. Its happened before and it was a genuine concern.

This is not an example of lefty white guilt. Its actually a sign of a more mature society.

Harassing innocent muslims is probably the worst thing someone could do to tackle the problem of radicalised islam.

I half agree with what you say...I agree that demonising innocent muslims on the street is unacceptable. But we can't beat around the bush to call a problem for what it is. Over a hundred Pakistani school kids got massacred yesterday. Now are we going to say it was just a bunch of crazy madmen and it was an isolated incident. If there is a pattern of behaviour (and that is violence perpetuated in the name of Islam) then it is something that needs to be addressed. I would say the same if it was done if the name of Christianity, Buddhism,Maoism, or whatever. But as a society sometimes the hard questions need to be asked. Much of the left wing believes that "freedom of speech" is ok to be preached by Islamic clerics that threaten national security or that its ok to wear the burqa in a petrol station but its not ok to wear a motorcycle helmet. That should not be included as freedom of speech. On the flip side I don't agree with the sending of troops to the middle east since it encourages this form of extremism and that innocent children and women killed over there are regarded as less of a premium. I don't like either Right or Left Wing methodology and I will place an absentee ballot at the next election.

I think you'll find that freedom of speech and freedom to wear what you like is more of a right wing ideology. Or, more specifically a libertarian ideology, which is usually more traditionally on the right side of politics.

Authoritarianism can either be left or right wing in nature.

Its interesting that the "Liberal" party often lacks a liberal ideology when dealing with matters involving civil liberties.
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