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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
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Bernie Sanders rallies very much like Hitler rallies. Dictator shouting idealistic slogans for over an hour with no substance.
Hyped up crazy crowds, some of them in tears. Its scary. Really scary.

Trump rallies on the other hand is a guy ad-libbing for 90 minutes interspersed with jokes and shaggy dog stories explaining his policies.

Funny how the compromised media try to paint Trump as the extremist.


One wants universal health care and to reduce the out of control expense of education.
The other wants to build walls and fight wars.

See I can paint candidates in my own colors too.


Sanders wants to fight wars. He supports the war against Syria.

Trump doesnt.

Where do you get your information from?

You may also want to familiarise yourself with Trump's education and healthcare policies before commenting again on this topic.


Trump has a healthcare policy besides "they will be competition and it'll be beautiful"?
:oops:

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GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Sunday the government will provide health coverage for everyone if he is elected president, but said his plan is not a single-payer system like Bernie Sanders, who is seeking the Democratic nomination, wants.

On ABC's "This Week," host George Stephanopoulos noted that Trump called his top GOP rival, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, a liar for saying that a vote for Trump is a vote for Obamacare.
"I want people taken care of. I have a heart," Trump said. "If somebody has no money and they're lying in the middle of the street and they're dying, I'm going to take care of that person."

Trump said he'll achieve his goal by working with hospitals and doctors.

In previous comments Trump said he backed a single-payer, universal healthcare system paid for by the government.

Trump cited the healthcare systems of Canada and Britain as models for the U.S. Conservatives have noted that both systems are socialized medical programs that limit and ration care, especially for the elderly.

"We've got to do something," he said. "You can't have a small percentage of our economy, because they're down and out, have absolutely no protection so they end up dying from, you know, what you could have a simple procedure or even a pill. You can't do that. We'll work something out."

On Sunday, he insisted his plan would not be a single-payer system.

As for Cruz, "maybe he’s got no heart," Trump said. "And if this means I lose an election, that’s fine, because, frankly, we have to take care of the people in our country. We can’t let them die on the sidewalks of New York or the sidewalks of Iowa or anywhere else."


http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-heart-healthcare-everybody/2016/01/31/id/712069/


:lol: That qualifies as "policy?"
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The coordinated GOP establishment attack on Trump, with bullshit talking points is just evidence the fear they have of him since Bush has been vanquished. This was always going to happen.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
RedKat wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Bernie Sanders rallies very much like Hitler rallies. Dictator shouting idealistic slogans for over an hour with no substance.
Hyped up crazy crowds, some of them in tears. Its scary. Really scary.

Trump rallies on the other hand is a guy ad-libbing for 90 minutes interspersed with jokes and shaggy dog stories explaining his policies.

Funny how the compromised media try to paint Trump as the extremist.


One wants universal health care and to reduce the out of control expense of education.
The other wants to build walls and fight wars.

See I can paint candidates in my own colors too.


Sanders wants to fight wars. He supports the war against Syria.

Trump doesnt.

Where do you get your information from?

You may also want to familiarise yourself with Trump's education and healthcare policies before commenting again on this topic.


Trump has a healthcare policy besides "they will be competition and it'll be beautiful"?
:oops:

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GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Sunday the government will provide health coverage for everyone if he is elected president, but said his plan is not a single-payer system like Bernie Sanders, who is seeking the Democratic nomination, wants.

On ABC's "This Week," host George Stephanopoulos noted that Trump called his top GOP rival, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, a liar for saying that a vote for Trump is a vote for Obamacare.
"I want people taken care of. I have a heart," Trump said. "If somebody has no money and they're lying in the middle of the street and they're dying, I'm going to take care of that person."

Trump said he'll achieve his goal by working with hospitals and doctors.

In previous comments Trump said he backed a single-payer, universal healthcare system paid for by the government.

Trump cited the healthcare systems of Canada and Britain as models for the U.S. Conservatives have noted that both systems are socialized medical programs that limit and ration care, especially for the elderly.

"We've got to do something," he said. "You can't have a small percentage of our economy, because they're down and out, have absolutely no protection so they end up dying from, you know, what you could have a simple procedure or even a pill. You can't do that. We'll work something out."

On Sunday, he insisted his plan would not be a single-payer system.

As for Cruz, "maybe he’s got no heart," Trump said. "And if this means I lose an election, that’s fine, because, frankly, we have to take care of the people in our country. We can’t let them die on the sidewalks of New York or the sidewalks of Iowa or anywhere else."


http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-heart-healthcare-everybody/2016/01/31/id/712069/


Sorry - that is not a policy. He says it will be similar to Canada and the UK on the one hand, but that it will NOT be a single-payer system. What does he think the british NHS is?

He is completely contradictory in this interview.
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Is this shit serious??

Trump is going around claiming Princess Di was crazy and that he could have slept with her

How the fuck can this man potentially be a president of the United States??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12174179/Donald-Trump-claims-he-could-have-slept-with-Prinicess-Diana.html
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Krispy Kreme endorsed Trump today

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/26/nj-governor-chris-christie-endorses-donald-trump-for-president.html
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The mainstream can't control the narrative with trump
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quickflick wrote:
Is this shit serious??

Trump is going around claiming Princess Di was crazy and that he could have slept with her

How the fuck can this man potentially be a president of the United States??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12174179/Donald-Trump-claims-he-could-have-slept-with-Prinicess-Diana.html


Newscorp smearing Trump. It must be another day.
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meanwhile under Obama...


no wonder he's been labeled the food stamp president
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I'm genuinely surprised by Christie's decision. He's clearly desperate to remain relevant and is angling for a cabinet post or a place on the ticket.

He's consistently justified his attacks on Rubio (and to a lesser extent, Cruz) by pointing to their lack of experience as first-term Senators - and yet now he endorses a man who's never held political office in his life. Cognitive dissonance at its most obvious.
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JP wrote:
I'm genuinely surprised by Christie's decision. He's clearly desperate to remain relevant and is angling for a cabinet post or a place on the ticket.

He's consistently justified his attacks on Rubio (and to a lesser extent, Cruz) by pointing to their lack of experience as first-term Senators - and yet now he endorses a man who's never held political office in his life. Cognitive dissonance at its most obvious.


If you had half a clue about anything you would not be surprised by this.
Keep reading those tabloids and filling your head with shit.
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If Voters Keep Digging, They’ll Find Trump Buried Some Really Bad Deals
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By David Dayen | The Fiscal Times – Fri, Feb 26, 2016 10:15 PM AEDT

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One leading theory behind the triumph of presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is that voters are attracted by the promise of having a successful businessman running the country. Government needs the discipline and accountability that only a take-no-prisoners CEO can provide, someone uniquely focused on, well, making America great again.
There’s a lot wrong with this theory: government isn’t a business, for one. But to accept it, you must first agree that Donald Trump is a successful businessman, which he’s said enough to will the nation into believing it. A cursory examination of just one part of Trump’s corporate empire reveals that he’s more like a late-night infomercial charlatan, exploiting the weak and the vulnerable for his own devises. He’s also not all that good at it.
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If you were to pick the worst possible time in American history to start a mortgage company, April 2006 would get a lot of consideration. That’s when The Donald held a press conference at Trump Tower for Trump Mortgage, right at the peak of the housing bubble. Just one month later, Ameriquest, one of the largest subprime lenders in the country, closed all its retail offices, an early warning of the collapse to come.
But that April, Trump was characteristically upbeat, vowing that Trump Mortgage would become the nation’s top home lender. He told Maria Bartiromo, “I think it's a great time to start a mortgage company,” adding, “who knows about financing better than I do?”
Trump hired as chief executive of Trump Mortgage a man named E.J. Ridings, a friend of his son Donald Jr. Ridings boasted on the corporate website of being a “top executive at one of Wall Street's most prestigious investment banks” with 15 years of financial industry experience. All of that turned out to be false; he was a registered stockbroker with Dean Witter Reynolds for a total of six days, and an entry-level loan originator at a boutique mortgage company for a little over a year. Ridings gamely ignored the embarrassing disclosures, telling Money magazine, “Trump Mortgage is going to be huge.”
Six top executives left Trump Mortgage in the first six months. An initial sales goal of $3 billion in the first year was soon downgraded to under $1 billion. By August 2007, Trump Mortgage closed, one of hundreds of failed lenders in the wake of the housing crash. Unsurprisingly, Trump distanced himself from the implosion, saying he only licensed his name to it, and that “the mortgage business is not a business I particularly liked or wanted to be part of in a very big way.”
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Despite that coolness, Trump allowed his name to be licensed by First Meridian Mortgage for a second company, renamed Trump Financial. That too went out of business; the company reverted back to its original name. First Meridian was subsequently accused of illegally fabricating mortgage assignments to foreclose on properties, and employing robo-signers to execute those faulty assignments.
Trump was not done with the mortgage collapse, however. Twenty years earlier, he helped save a woman’s farm from foreclosure. But a remarkable Los Angeles Times column in December 2007 shows that Trump saw the latest iteration of foreclosure crisis not as a tragedy, but a business opportunity.
Trump University, The Donald’s learning institute, touted in ads that “investors nationwide are making millions in foreclosures… and so can you!” David Lazarus, the Times author, attended a free seminar about the scheme (which was only a preview of a 3-day workshop costing $1,495). The instructor, himself a foreclosure victim, explained that students should scoop up soon-to-be-foreclosed properties from homeowners at a discount, and sell them to another buyer at a higher price, making a fortune.
This would be pretty terrible advice in normal times for anyone without a high level of working capital, in case they get stuck with one of the properties. But it’s completely insane advice to give in late 2007, when foreclosures were everywhere, buyers scarce, and nobody in their right mind would pay high prices for a foreclosed property. People who followed this tactic would be guaranteed to fail.
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And that’s apart from the moral atrocity of seeing a flood of foreclosures and immediately thinking of a way to get rich off it. “There are unbelievable opportunities for making money,” Trump himself told Lazarus. “There are very few buyers and lots of sellers,” he added, inadvertently explaining why a scheme predicated on eventually selling a home to another buyer is doomed.
Trump University held seminars and workshops like this all over the country as the foreclosure crisis raged, making $40 million in revenue from 2005-2010, $5 million of which went to Trump himself. Multiple allegations that Trump University ripped off clients led to three separate lawsuits, one by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and two class action suits in California. In fact, Trump will likely have to take the witness stand in one of these trials later this year; he already delivered a pre-trial deposition, which one plaintiff has used to prove that the GOP front-runner threatened to put her into financial ruin if she continued to pursue the case.
Practically everything that might concern you about a Trump presidency is available in these interlocking stories. There’s the poor instinct and business acumen; the partnerships with lying con artists and cronies; the denial of accountability for failure; the preying upon the weak, whether foreclosure victims or poor dupes that took his seminars; and the open threats of retaliation. And you can go beyond the mortgage industry to find these red flags in Trump’s corporate past, with millions in losses and questionable associates. About the only thing Trump is good at is getting on TV, and using that celebrity to license his name around the world.
If we’re going to believe that government would be better run as a business, we should at least look at the business of the man who wants to run the government. And what we end up seeing from Trump’s mortgage and foreclosure dalliances strikes me as so outstandingly awful it would be amusing – if it weren’t coming from someone with an even-money shot at the presidency.
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David Dayen is a democrat. Why copy and paste biased opinions?
Why not provide your own reasoning?
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
David Dayen is a democrat. Why copy and paste biased opinions?
Why not provide your own reasoning?


Are you saying the article is false or misrepresents the facts?
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Joffa wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
David Dayen is a democrat. Why copy and paste biased opinions?
Why not provide your own reasoning?


Are you saying the article is false or misrepresents the facts?


I'm saying its slanted and biased. You can spin 'facts' any way you want when you have an agenda.
You remove context, you leave out certain details - this is how the spin machine works.

Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 28/2/2016 03:15:40 PM
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:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.
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JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.

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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
Joffa wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
David Dayen is a democrat. Why copy and paste biased opinions?
Why not provide your own reasoning?


Are you saying the article is false or misrepresents the facts?


I'm saying its slanted and biased. You can spin 'facts' any way you want when you have an agenda.
You remove context, you leave out certain details - this is how the spin machine works.

Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 28/2/2016 03:15:40 PM


So basically youre saying it's true, but you don't like it....
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM
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Robert Kagan wrote:

When the plague descended on Thebes, Oedipus sent his brother-in-law to the Delphic oracle to discover the cause. Little did he realize that the crime for which Thebes was being punished was his own. Today’s Republican Party is our Oedipus. A plague has descended on the party in the form of the most successful demagogue-charlatan in the history of U.S. politics. The party searches desperately for the cause and the remedy without realizing that, like Oedipus, it is the party itself that brought on this plague. The party’s own political crimes are being punished in a bit of cosmic justice fit for a Greek tragedy.

Let’s be clear: Trump is no fluke. Nor is he hijacking the Republican Party or the conservative movement, if there is such a thing. He is, rather, the party’s creation, its Frankenstein’s monster, brought to life by the party, fed by the party and now made strong enough to destroy its maker. Was it not the party’s wild obstructionism — the repeated threats to shut down the government over policy and legislative disagreements, the persistent calls for nullification of Supreme Court decisions, the insistence that compromise was betrayal, the internal coups against party leaders who refused to join the general demolition — that taught Republican voters that government, institutions, political traditions, party leadership and even parties themselves were things to be overthrown, evaded, ignored, insulted, laughed at? Was it not Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), among others, who set this tone and thereby cleared the way for someone even more irreverent, so that now, in a most unenjoyable irony, Cruz, along with the rest of the party, must fall to the purer version of himself, a less ideologically encumbered anarcho-revolutionary? This would not be the first revolution that devoured itself.

Then there was the party’s accommodation to and exploitation of the bigotry in its ranks. No, the majority of Republicans are not bigots. But they have certainly been enablers. Who began the attack on immigrants — legal and illegal — long before Trump arrived on the scene and made it his premier issue? Who frightened Mitt Romney into selling his soul in 2012, talking of “self-deportation” to get himself right with the party’s anti-immigrant forces? Who opposed any plausible means of dealing with the genuine problem of illegal immigration, forcing Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) to cower, abandon his principles — and his own immigration legislation — lest he be driven from the presidential race before it had even begun? It was not Trump. It was not even party yahoos. It was Republican Party pundits and intellectuals, trying to harness populist passions and perhaps deal a blow to any legislation for which President Obama might possibly claim even partial credit. What did Trump do but pick up where they left off, tapping the well-primed gusher of popular anger, xenophobia and, yes, bigotry that the party had already unleashed?

Then there was the Obama hatred, a racially tinged derangement syndrome that made any charge plausible and any opposition justified. Has the president done a poor job in many respects? Have his foreign policies, in particular, contributed to the fraying of the liberal world order that the United States created after World War II? Yes, and for these failures he has deserved criticism and principled opposition. But Republican and conservative criticism has taken an unusually dark and paranoid form. Instead of recommending plausible alternative strategies for the crisis in the Middle East, many Republicans have fallen back on mindless Islamophobia, with suspicious intimations about the president’s personal allegiances.

Thus Obama is not only wrong but also anti-American, un-American, non-American, and his policies — though barely distinguishable from those of previous liberal Democrats such as Michael Dukakis or Mario Cuomo — are somehow representative of something subversive. How surprising was it that a man who began his recent political career by questioning Obama’s eligibility for office could leap to the front of the pack, willing and able to communicate with his followers by means of the dog-whistle disdain for “political correctness”?

We are supposed to believe that Trump’s legion of “angry” people are angry about wage stagnation. No, they are angry about all the things Republicans have told them to be angry about these past 7½ years, and it has been Trump’s good fortune to be the guy to sweep them up and become their standard-bearer. He is the Napoleon who has harvested the fruit of the revolution.

There has been much second-guessing lately. Why didn’t party leaders stand up and try to stop Trump earlier, while there was still time? But how could they have? Trump was feeding off forces in the party they had helped nurture and that they hoped to ride into power. Some of those Republican leaders and pundits now calling for a counterrevolution against Trump were not so long ago welcoming his contribution to the debate. The politicians running against him and now facing oblivion were loath to attack him before because they feared alienating his supporters. Instead, they attacked one another, clawing at each other’s faces as they one by one slipped over the cliff. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie got his last deadly lick in just before he plummeted — at Trump? No, at Rubio. (And now, as his final service to party and nation, he has endorsed Trump.) Jeb Bush spent millions upon millions in his hopeless race, but against whom? Not Trump.

So what to do now? The Republicans’ creation will soon be let loose on the land, leaving to others the job the party failed to carry out. For this former Republican, and perhaps for others, the only choice will be to vote for Hillary Clinton. The party cannot be saved, but the country still can be.


Major Republican figures are already saying they'd vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. If he does win the nomination more and more Republicans will endorse Clinton. Moderate Republican voters will flock to Clinton and she'll win the Presidency in a landslide.

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Hillary Clinton Wins Big In South Carolina – Fox Can’t Stop Talking About All The Ways She’s A Loser


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Even Fox News had to admit that Hillary Clinton’s South Carolina primary win (73.5%-26%) was resounding. So of course they went to work painting her as a loser.

The booking of Hillary-hater Ron Fournier as a panelist pretty much guaranteed a good dose of Hillary bashing no matter who won. And Fournier surely didn't disappoint the Fox producer who booked him. “This race is now hers to lose,” Fournier said of Clinton, and then immediately followed up by “just wondering” if she’ll be indicted. “Her biggest impediment really is the FBI primary, whatever comes out of the investigation, if anything.”

While he was at it, Fournier got in a dig about Obama. He noted there were fewer white voters in this South Carolina primary than in 2008, “maybe because how the party’s changed under Barack Obama.” But, he acknowledged, “Unless something really big changes, she’s going to be the nominee.”

Panelist Charles Krauthammer agreed. “The only thing that’s gonna stop her is gonna be the Comey primary, he’s head of the FBI. If there’s a criminal referral, that’s the lightning strike that would elevate somebody like a Sanders.”

Krauthammer went on to give Bernie Sanders some props (which would surely disappear should Sanders start looking like the nominee): “He’s got the money, he doesn’t have to go out and campaign from fat cats. He’s got the biggest and most successful internet fundraising machine ever which means he’ll be able to go everywhere and he will stay in it until the end. Even if he only ends up as the number two and will speak for a movement.”

Host Bret Baier brought up some elements “that are troubling” for Clinton. He cited the young vote going to Sanders 65/35. “White men, almost 70/30, there against Hillary Clinton.”

Panelist Stephen Hayes agreed that was “potentially troubling for Hillary Cinton in a general election.”

Hayes said Clinton “cleaned up” except with voters who said “honest and trustworthy” were the most important qualities where she won by 52/48.

Hayes also noted that Clinton beat Sanders on the issue of income inequality.

So Baier made a point of swiping at Clinton over her “Wall Street speeches.” They didn’t “seem to show up in these results, anyplace, yet,” Baier said, “but there are other states it could factor into.”

Panelist A.B. Stoddard got in her own dig. “What we’re gonna watch is how hard he [Sanders] pushes on the Wall Street speeches… As he slides down the tunnel walls, is he going to actually come out and really swing hard at her?”

Fournier apparently hoped so. “We have Sanders who really hasn’t come as hard on Hillary as he could and as he should if he really wanted to win,” he said, before adding, “and we have the entire Republican party hasn’t come as hard on Trump until these last few minutes, last few races. So we’re very likely to have a general election fight between Trump and Hillary Clinton, two of the most untrustworthy, disliked, most polarizing candidates in our lifetimes.”

Before long, Baier stepped in to defend Trump. “Obviously, there’s a groundswell of support for Donald Trump who do believe that he’s trustworthy and that showed up in entrance and exit polls in past contests,” Baier assured viewers.

But, hey, the gang must be slipping. Not one of them brought up Benghazi.

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I'm genuinely surprised by Christie's decision. He's clearly desperate to remain relevant and is angling for a cabinet post or a place on the ticket.

He's consistently justified his attacks on Rubio (and to a lesser extent, Cruz) by pointing to their lack of experience as first-term Senators - and yet now he endorses a man who's never held political office in his life. Cognitive dissonance at its most obvious.


You talk of experience, yet both Cruz and Rubio have done jack-dick as leaders of an organisation.


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Robert Kagan wrote:

When the plague descended on Thebes, Oedipus sent his brother-in-law to the Delphic oracle to discover the cause. Little did he realize that the crime for which Thebes was being punished was his own. Today’s Republican Party is our Oedipus. A plague has descended on the party in the form of the most successful demagogue-charlatan in the history of U.S. politics. The party searches desperately for the cause and the remedy without realizing that, like Oedipus, it is the party itself that brought on this plague. The party’s own political crimes are being punished in a bit of cosmic justice fit for a Greek tragedy.

Let’s be clear: Trump is no fluke. Nor is he hijacking the Republican Party or the conservative movement, if there is such a thing. He is, rather, the party’s creation, its Frankenstein’s monster, brought to life by the party, fed by the party and now made strong enough to destroy its maker. Was it not the party’s wild obstructionism — the repeated threats to shut down the government over policy and legislative disagreements, the persistent calls for nullification of Supreme Court decisions, the insistence that compromise was betrayal, the internal coups against party leaders who refused to join the general demolition — that taught Republican voters that government, institutions, political traditions, party leadership and even parties themselves were things to be overthrown, evaded, ignored, insulted, laughed at? Was it not Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), among others, who set this tone and thereby cleared the way for someone even more irreverent, so that now, in a most unenjoyable irony, Cruz, along with the rest of the party, must fall to the purer version of himself, a less ideologically encumbered anarcho-revolutionary? This would not be the first revolution that devoured itself.

Then there was the party’s accommodation to and exploitation of the bigotry in its ranks. No, the majority of Republicans are not bigots. But they have certainly been enablers. Who began the attack on immigrants — legal and illegal — long before Trump arrived on the scene and made it his premier issue? Who frightened Mitt Romney into selling his soul in 2012, talking of “self-deportation” to get himself right with the party’s anti-immigrant forces? Who opposed any plausible means of dealing with the genuine problem of illegal immigration, forcing Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) to cower, abandon his principles — and his own immigration legislation — lest he be driven from the presidential race before it had even begun? It was not Trump. It was not even party yahoos. It was Republican Party pundits and intellectuals, trying to harness populist passions and perhaps deal a blow to any legislation for which President Obama might possibly claim even partial credit. What did Trump do but pick up where they left off, tapping the well-primed gusher of popular anger, xenophobia and, yes, bigotry that the party had already unleashed?

Then there was the Obama hatred, a racially tinged derangement syndrome that made any charge plausible and any opposition justified. Has the president done a poor job in many respects? Have his foreign policies, in particular, contributed to the fraying of the liberal world order that the United States created after World War II? Yes, and for these failures he has deserved criticism and principled opposition. But Republican and conservative criticism has taken an unusually dark and paranoid form. Instead of recommending plausible alternative strategies for the crisis in the Middle East, many Republicans have fallen back on mindless Islamophobia, with suspicious intimations about the president’s personal allegiances.

Thus Obama is not only wrong but also anti-American, un-American, non-American, and his policies — though barely distinguishable from those of previous liberal Democrats such as Michael Dukakis or Mario Cuomo — are somehow representative of something subversive. How surprising was it that a man who began his recent political career by questioning Obama’s eligibility for office could leap to the front of the pack, willing and able to communicate with his followers by means of the dog-whistle disdain for “political correctness”?

We are supposed to believe that Trump’s legion of “angry” people are angry about wage stagnation. No, they are angry about all the things Republicans have told them to be angry about these past 7½ years, and it has been Trump’s good fortune to be the guy to sweep them up and become their standard-bearer. He is the Napoleon who has harvested the fruit of the revolution.

There has been much second-guessing lately. Why didn’t party leaders stand up and try to stop Trump earlier, while there was still time? But how could they have? Trump was feeding off forces in the party they had helped nurture and that they hoped to ride into power. Some of those Republican leaders and pundits now calling for a counterrevolution against Trump were not so long ago welcoming his contribution to the debate. The politicians running against him and now facing oblivion were loath to attack him before because they feared alienating his supporters. Instead, they attacked one another, clawing at each other’s faces as they one by one slipped over the cliff. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie got his last deadly lick in just before he plummeted — at Trump? No, at Rubio. (And now, as his final service to party and nation, he has endorsed Trump.) Jeb Bush spent millions upon millions in his hopeless race, but against whom? Not Trump.

So what to do now? The Republicans’ creation will soon be let loose on the land, leaving to others the job the party failed to carry out. For this former Republican, and perhaps for others, the only choice will be to vote for Hillary Clinton. The party cannot be saved, but the country still can be.


Major Republican figures are already saying they'd vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. If he does win the nomination more and more Republicans will endorse Clinton. Moderate Republican voters will flock to Clinton and she'll win the Presidency in a landslide.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:12 PM


do you even know who Robert Kagan is you stupid cunt?

he's the guy that promoted the invasion of Iraq under the WMD lie

fuck you're dumb

just stop posting in this thread
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:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM


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[size=8]I'm currently doing Arts[/size], but I have the option of transferring to Arts/Law this year. Not really sure which to go with - Law sounds like a pretty boring degree from what mates doing it have told me, and I'm not sure I even want to be a lawyer. But the flipside is that an Arts degree is probably worth fuck all when I'm looking at career options down the line and Law would probably give me more opportunities in that regard.

So I'm basically canvassing as many opinions as I can before I decide - any law students/former law students on here?


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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM


JP wrote:
[size=8]I'm currently doing Arts[/size], but I have the option of transferring to Arts/Law this year. Not really sure which to go with - Law sounds like a pretty boring degree from what mates doing it have told me, and I'm not sure I even want to be a lawyer. But the flipside is that an Arts degree is probably worth fuck all when I'm looking at career options down the line and Law would probably give me more opportunities in that regard.

So I'm basically canvassing as many opinions as I can before I decide - any law students/former law students on here?


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I transferred to law, so I guess that makes me a law student.

Good to know you're paying such close attention to my life though Ricey :lol:

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 10:20:30 PM
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JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM


JP wrote:
[size=8]I'm currently doing Arts[/size], but I have the option of transferring to Arts/Law this year. Not really sure which to go with - Law sounds like a pretty boring degree from what mates doing it have told me, and I'm not sure I even want to be a lawyer. But the flipside is that an Arts degree is probably worth fuck all when I'm looking at career options down the line and Law would probably give me more opportunities in that regard.

So I'm basically canvassing as many opinions as I can before I decide - any law students/former law students on here?


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I transferred to law, so I guess that makes me a law student.

Good to know you're paying such close attention to my life though Ricey :lol:

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 10:20:30 PM


You've only studied arts idiot. The semester has barely started if at all.
You dont know shit about anything, you've never had a real job in your life.

You're the scumbag here who says people in the US who dont have college degrees are uneducated and all you've studied is arts and you didnt even finish it. You've never had a job.

You disparage tradespeople and other intelligent people, some of the richest most innovative people in the world dont have fucking uni degrees and you sit there like an upstart smartarse talking down to people who've actually done something in their lives.


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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM


JP wrote:
[size=8]I'm currently doing Arts[/size], but I have the option of transferring to Arts/Law this year. Not really sure which to go with - Law sounds like a pretty boring degree from what mates doing it have told me, and I'm not sure I even want to be a lawyer. But the flipside is that an Arts degree is probably worth fuck all when I'm looking at career options down the line and Law would probably give me more opportunities in that regard.

So I'm basically canvassing as many opinions as I can before I decide - any law students/former law students on here?


liar

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83167&p=39


I transferred to law, so I guess that makes me a law student.

Good to know you're paying such close attention to my life though Ricey :lol:

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 10:20:30 PM


You've only studied arts idiot. The semester has barely started if at all.
You dont know shit about anything, you've never had a real job in your life.

You're the scumbag here who says people in the US who dont have college degrees are uneducated and all you've studied is arts and you didnt even finish it. You've never had a job.

You disparage tradespeople and other intelligent people, some of the richest most innovative people in the world dont have fucking uni degrees and you sit there like an upstart smartarse talking down to people who've actually done something in their lives.



:lol: Isn't it your job to rile other people? More and more it seems to be the other way round on here. Stay calm Ricey.

I work for a gardening business so that probably makes me a tradie too.
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JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM


JP wrote:
[size=8]I'm currently doing Arts[/size], but I have the option of transferring to Arts/Law this year. Not really sure which to go with - Law sounds like a pretty boring degree from what mates doing it have told me, and I'm not sure I even want to be a lawyer. But the flipside is that an Arts degree is probably worth fuck all when I'm looking at career options down the line and Law would probably give me more opportunities in that regard.

So I'm basically canvassing as many opinions as I can before I decide - any law students/former law students on here?


liar

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I transferred to law, so I guess that makes me a law student.

Good to know you're paying such close attention to my life though Ricey :lol:

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 10:20:30 PM


You've only studied arts idiot. The semester has barely started if at all.
You dont know shit about anything, you've never had a real job in your life.

You're the scumbag here who says people in the US who dont have college degrees are uneducated and all you've studied is arts and you didnt even finish it. You've never had a job.

You disparage tradespeople and other intelligent people, some of the richest most innovative people in the world dont have fucking uni degrees and you sit there like an upstart smartarse talking down to people who've actually done something in their lives.



:lol: Isn't it your job to rile other people? More and more it seems to be the other way round on here. Stay calm Ricey.

I work for a gardening business so that probably makes me a tradie too.


You mow lawns.
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM


JP wrote:
[size=8]I'm currently doing Arts[/size], but I have the option of transferring to Arts/Law this year. Not really sure which to go with - Law sounds like a pretty boring degree from what mates doing it have told me, and I'm not sure I even want to be a lawyer. But the flipside is that an Arts degree is probably worth fuck all when I'm looking at career options down the line and Law would probably give me more opportunities in that regard.

So I'm basically canvassing as many opinions as I can before I decide - any law students/former law students on here?


liar

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83167&p=39


I transferred to law, so I guess that makes me a law student.

Good to know you're paying such close attention to my life though Ricey :lol:

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 10:20:30 PM


You've only studied arts idiot. The semester has barely started if at all.
You dont know shit about anything, you've never had a real job in your life.

You're the scumbag here who says people in the US who dont have college degrees are uneducated and all you've studied is arts and you didnt even finish it. You've never had a job.

You disparage tradespeople and other intelligent people, some of the richest most innovative people in the world dont have fucking uni degrees and you sit there like an upstart smartarse talking down to people who've actually done something in their lives.



:lol: Isn't it your job to rile other people? More and more it seems to be the other way round on here. Stay calm Ricey.

I work for a gardening business so that probably makes me a tradie too.


You mow lawns.


That is what gardening involves, yes.

But you'd never disparage tradespeople would you Ricey?
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JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM


JP wrote:
[size=8]I'm currently doing Arts[/size], but I have the option of transferring to Arts/Law this year. Not really sure which to go with - Law sounds like a pretty boring degree from what mates doing it have told me, and I'm not sure I even want to be a lawyer. But the flipside is that an Arts degree is probably worth fuck all when I'm looking at career options down the line and Law would probably give me more opportunities in that regard.

So I'm basically canvassing as many opinions as I can before I decide - any law students/former law students on here?


liar

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83167&p=39


I transferred to law, so I guess that makes me a law student.

Good to know you're paying such close attention to my life though Ricey :lol:

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 10:20:30 PM


You've only studied arts idiot. The semester has barely started if at all.
You dont know shit about anything, you've never had a real job in your life.

You're the scumbag here who says people in the US who dont have college degrees are uneducated and all you've studied is arts and you didnt even finish it. You've never had a job.

You disparage tradespeople and other intelligent people, some of the richest most innovative people in the world dont have fucking uni degrees and you sit there like an upstart smartarse talking down to people who've actually done something in their lives.



:lol: Isn't it your job to rile other people? More and more it seems to be the other way round on here. Stay calm Ricey.

I work for a gardening business so that probably makes me a tradie too.


You mow lawns.


That is what gardening involves, yes.

But you'd never disparage tradespeople would you Ricey?


Mowing lawns is not a trade idiot. It doesnt take any skill or training.
You're the uneducated one. Who knew, and you sit there and talk down about people who are actually more highly qualified than you. Typical champagne socialist spoiled brat who thinks he's an expert on everything but knows nothing about anything.
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:
JP wrote:
:lol: Don't trust the media, trust Ricey's deluded rantings instead.


You're an arts student at uni. You've never had a real job in your life.
You probably think "socialism" means socially aware - you're just a dumb drony kid delaying work.


And what are you studying Ricey? Times tables?

I'm also not an Arts student, so you're wrong on that count as well.

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 04:49:55 PM


JP wrote:
[size=8]I'm currently doing Arts[/size], but I have the option of transferring to Arts/Law this year. Not really sure which to go with - Law sounds like a pretty boring degree from what mates doing it have told me, and I'm not sure I even want to be a lawyer. But the flipside is that an Arts degree is probably worth fuck all when I'm looking at career options down the line and Law would probably give me more opportunities in that regard.

So I'm basically canvassing as many opinions as I can before I decide - any law students/former law students on here?


liar

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83167&p=39


I transferred to law, so I guess that makes me a law student.

Good to know you're paying such close attention to my life though Ricey :lol:

Edited by JP: 28/2/2016 10:20:30 PM


You've only studied arts idiot. The semester has barely started if at all.
You dont know shit about anything, you've never had a real job in your life.

You're the scumbag here who says people in the US who dont have college degrees are uneducated and all you've studied is arts and you didnt even finish it. You've never had a job.

You disparage tradespeople and other intelligent people, some of the richest most innovative people in the world dont have fucking uni degrees and you sit there like an upstart smartarse talking down to people who've actually done something in their lives.



:lol: Isn't it your job to rile other people? More and more it seems to be the other way round on here. Stay calm Ricey.

I work for a gardening business so that probably makes me a tradie too.


You mow lawns.


That is what gardening involves, yes.

But you'd never disparage tradespeople would you Ricey?


Mowing lawns is not a trade idiot. It doesnt take any skill or training.
You're the uneducated one. Who knew, and you sit there and talk down about people who are actually more highly qualified than you. Typical champagne socialist spoiled brat who thinks he's an expert on everything but knows nothing about anything.


:lol: Okay.
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