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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:adrtho wrote:this is where TheFactOfTheMatter gone...he run away like a girl from Syria Quote:Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has assured Senate candidates running for reelection that they can run ads against Donald Trump even if he wins the GOP nomination for president.
According to the New York Times, senators attending private lunches with the Majority Leader have been advised to take the position that Donald Trump will lose badly in the general election and should prepare themselves for a Hillary Clinton presidency. https://www.rickey.org/mitch-mcconnell-says-republicans-will-drop-donald-trump-like-a-hot-rock-if-he-wins-gop-nomination/291719/ I called you out for your shit talking there. You missed the post because you were too busy responding to someone else who called out your shit talking. :lol: you run away like a girl, stop making thing s up You havent responded to my post there shit talker. Where you were shit talking about 1960's bombers. Why are you saying girls run away? Sexist? Where do you come from? Some place where women are second class citizens? i come from the Planet Earth , which Planet do you come from? Planet crazy ?
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RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:bought and paid for comedians and celebrities have the celebrity obsessed kiddy generation under their spell hence lawn mowing undergraduates like JP rely them to provide their entire world perspective as doing their own research is just too much work man...where's my iPhone... Youre awfuly quiet about what you graduated as Edited by RedKat: 29/2/2016 07:54:35 PM does it make a difference? JP's supposed profession is of such interest to you it seems to only strengthen your argument if you provide us with yours. You came in late and now you're trying to be another smart arse. JP talked down about Trump supporters saying they're uneducated angry white people because they dont have college degrees etc. (Azza did the same) I simply pointed out that JP was being an elitist and highlighted that he's not educated himself to be judging others, especially people who work in trades etc with skills and life experience. He tried to claim he's a tradesman because he mows lawns. Pay attention next time before you jump in. You do realise I can read and read all of that and knew exactly what happened? I did also point out that by you attacking him for his profession, you too are being elitist. What do you have to hide? Then you're stupid because I didnt attack him for his profession, I attacked him for his hypocrisy. (edit: he doesnt even have a 'profession'. he's a snotty nose kid in uni who mows lawns for pocket money :lol: ) Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 08:59:33 PM
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Odds to win 2016 Presidential Election
Hillary Clinton 1.62 Donald Trump 4.00 Marco Rubio 12.50 Bernie Sanders 48
forget the rest
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TheFactOfTheMatter
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RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:bought and paid for comedians and celebrities have the celebrity obsessed kiddy generation under their spell hence lawn mowing undergraduates like JP rely them to provide their entire world perspective as doing their own research is just too much work man...where's my iPhone... Youre awfuly quiet about what you graduated as Edited by RedKat: 29/2/2016 07:54:35 PM does it make a difference? JP's supposed profession is of such interest to you it seems to only strengthen your argument if you provide us with yours. You came in late and now you're trying to be another smart arse. JP talked down about Trump supporters saying they're uneducated angry white people because they dont have college degrees etc. (Azza did the same) I simply pointed out that JP was being an elitist and highlighted that he's not educated himself to be judging others, especially people who work in trades etc with skills and life experience. He tried to claim he's a tradesman because he mows lawns. Pay attention next time before you jump in. You do realise I can read and read all of that and knew exactly what happened? I did also point out that by you attacking him for his profession, you too are being elitist. What do you have to hide? Then you're stupid because I didnt attack him for his profession, I attacked him for his hypocrisy. (edit: he doesnt even have a 'profession'. he's a snotty nose kid in uni who mows lawns for pocket money :lol: ) Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 08:59:33 PM But the supposed hypocrisy was that he was calling others uneducated when he is supposedly uneducated and has a menail profession.. hence attacking his profession and qualifications. Surely you can see how you proving your own qualifications and that you arent just a "snotty nose kid in uni" too makes your own argument stronger.. otherwise its just pot calling the kettle black. You're just as bad as he is. Another elitist who is probably at the same level. Snotty kid whose never done anything putting down people who actually have. For the record I'm not a snotty kid in uni. That is ancient history for me.
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RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:bought and paid for comedians and celebrities have the celebrity obsessed kiddy generation under their spell hence lawn mowing undergraduates like JP rely them to provide their entire world perspective as doing their own research is just too much work man...where's my iPhone... Youre awfuly quiet about what you graduated as Edited by RedKat: 29/2/2016 07:54:35 PM does it make a difference? JP's supposed profession is of such interest to you it seems to only strengthen your argument if you provide us with yours. You came in late and now you're trying to be another smart arse. JP talked down about Trump supporters saying they're uneducated angry white people because they dont have college degrees etc. (Azza did the same) I simply pointed out that JP was being an elitist and highlighted that he's not educated himself to be judging others, especially people who work in trades etc with skills and life experience. He tried to claim he's a tradesman because he mows lawns. Pay attention next time before you jump in. You do realise I can read and read all of that and knew exactly what happened? I did also point out that by you attacking him for his profession, you too are being elitist. What do you have to hide? Then you're stupid because I didnt attack him for his profession, I attacked him for his hypocrisy. (edit: he doesnt even have a 'profession'. he's a snotty nose kid in uni who mows lawns for pocket money :lol: ) Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 08:59:33 PM But the supposed hypocrisy was that he was calling others uneducated when he is supposedly uneducated and has a menail profession.. hence attacking his profession and qualifications. Surely you can see how you proving your own qualifications and that you arent just a "snotty nose kid in uni" too makes your own argument stronger.. otherwise its just pot calling the kettle black. You're just as bad as he is. Another elitist who is probably at the same level. Snotty kid whose never done anything putting down people who actually have. For the record I'm not a snotty kid in uni. That is ancient history for me. Please show me where Ive been elitist. Youre yet to prove youve actually done anything of note. I dont need to prove anything and I'm not going to reveal my identity on this forum, least of all to a creep like you.
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RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:bought and paid for comedians and celebrities have the celebrity obsessed kiddy generation under their spell hence lawn mowing undergraduates like JP rely them to provide their entire world perspective as doing their own research is just too much work man...where's my iPhone... Youre awfuly quiet about what you graduated as Edited by RedKat: 29/2/2016 07:54:35 PM does it make a difference? JP's supposed profession is of such interest to you it seems to only strengthen your argument if you provide us with yours. You came in late and now you're trying to be another smart arse. JP talked down about Trump supporters saying they're uneducated angry white people because they dont have college degrees etc. (Azza did the same) I simply pointed out that JP was being an elitist and highlighted that he's not educated himself to be judging others, especially people who work in trades etc with skills and life experience. He tried to claim he's a tradesman because he mows lawns. Pay attention next time before you jump in. You do realise I can read and read all of that and knew exactly what happened? I did also point out that by you attacking him for his profession, [size=8]you too are being elitist[/size]. What do you have to hide? Then you're stupid because I didnt attack him for his profession, I attacked him for his hypocrisy. (edit: he doesnt even have a 'profession'. he's a snotty nose kid in uni who mows lawns for pocket money :lol: ) Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 08:59:33 PM But the supposed hypocrisy was that he was calling others uneducated when he is supposedly uneducated and has a menail profession.. hence attacking his profession and qualifications. Surely you can see how you proving your own qualifications and that you arent just a "snotty nose kid in uni" too makes your own argument stronger.. otherwise its just pot calling the kettle black. You're just as bad as he is. Another elitist who is probably at the same level. Snotty kid whose never done anything putting down people who actually have. For the record I'm not a snotty kid in uni. That is ancient history for me. Please show me where Ive been elitist. Youre yet to prove youve actually done anything of note. I dont need to prove anything and I'm not going to reveal my identity on this forum, least of all to a creep like you. So [size=8]youve called me[/size] stupid, [size=8]elitist [/size]and a creep in consecutive posts [size=8]whilst I havent sent an insult back[/size] but Im the bad one here? You're being passive aggressive which qualifies as creep behavior in my book, and you're also a liar as highlighted above. Add that to the list.
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RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:RedKat wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:bought and paid for comedians and celebrities have the celebrity obsessed kiddy generation under their spell hence lawn mowing undergraduates like JP rely them to provide their entire world perspective as doing their own research is just too much work man...where's my iPhone... Youre awfuly quiet about what you graduated as Edited by RedKat: 29/2/2016 07:54:35 PM does it make a difference? JP's supposed profession is of such interest to you it seems to only strengthen your argument if you provide us with yours. You came in late and now you're trying to be another smart arse. JP talked down about Trump supporters saying they're uneducated angry white people because they dont have college degrees etc. (Azza did the same) I simply pointed out that JP was being an elitist and highlighted that he's not educated himself to be judging others, especially people who work in trades etc with skills and life experience. He tried to claim he's a tradesman because he mows lawns. Pay attention next time before you jump in. You do realise I can read and read all of that and knew exactly what happened? I did also point out that by you attacking him for his profession, [size=8]you too are being elitist[/size]. What do you have to hide? Then you're stupid because I didnt attack him for his profession, I attacked him for his hypocrisy. (edit: he doesnt even have a 'profession'. he's a snotty nose kid in uni who mows lawns for pocket money :lol: ) Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 08:59:33 PM But the supposed hypocrisy was that he was calling others uneducated when he is supposedly uneducated and has a menail profession.. hence attacking his profession and qualifications. Surely you can see how you proving your own qualifications and that you arent just a "snotty nose kid in uni" too makes your own argument stronger.. otherwise its just pot calling the kettle black. You're just as bad as he is. Another elitist who is probably at the same level. Snotty kid whose never done anything putting down people who actually have. For the record I'm not a snotty kid in uni. That is ancient history for me. Please show me where Ive been elitist. Youre yet to prove youve actually done anything of note. I dont need to prove anything and I'm not going to reveal my identity on this forum, least of all to a creep like you. So [size=8]youve called me[/size] stupid, [size=8]elitist [/size]and a creep in consecutive posts [size=8]whilst I havent sent an insult back[/size] but Im the bad one here? You're being passive aggressive which qualifies as creep behavior in my book, and you're also a liar as highlighted above. Add that to the list. Passive aggressive counts? ](*,) :lol: And you show a fundamental inability to by not understanding my argument as shown by the parts of the text you made bigger? I dont know why you keep running. Is there really such a dark park to old ricey that hes got to keep playing everything so defensively? You really sound like a colossal wanker. Just my opinion and opinions cant be wrong.
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:learn something idiots: Quote: [size=8]TV Pundits Praise Hillary Clinton On Air, Fail to Disclose Financial Ties to Her Campaign[/size]
Lee Fang Feb. 26 2016, 6:21 a.m. Tune into television coverage of the presidential campaign and undoubtedly you will hear from various pundits described as “former campaign strategists” and “political contributors” explaining the latest developments of the race. [size=8]But in many cases, these pundits — though introduced as neutral experts on campaigns or party politics — in fact have financial ties to the candidates they praise on the air.[/size]
[size=8]Several consultants who work at firms retained by Hillary Clinton’s campaign and her affiliated Super PACs appear regularly on the major television networks, frequently touting Clinton.[/size]
A review of pundits on the major networks and cable news also found one prominent pundit who often praised Jeb Bush, without the network revealing her relationship with his campaign.
“Journalism 101 teaches that reporters and TV news hosts must properly identify their sources and analysts,” says Jeff Cohen, an associate professor of journalism at Ithaca College. We reached out to NBC, CBS, CNN, and ABC News, but did not hear back.
Stephanie Cutter, for example, has appeared on multiple networks to discuss Clinton, and is typically introduced as a former campaign official for President Barack Obama. What hasn’t been disclosed in any of her appearances reviewed by The Intercept, however, is that the boutique consulting firm she co-founded, Precision Strategies, has been retained by the Clinton campaign for “digital consulting,” according to Federal Election Commission records. Precision Strategies has been paid at least $120,049 from the Clinton campaign since June of last year.
“I think that Hillary Clinton has done everything right. She has run a good campaign. She has outperformed in debates. She’s raised money. She’s got a great ground game,” said Cutter, speaking about the upcoming New Hampshire and Iowa primaries on NBC’s Meet the Press on January 17. She was introduced as “President Obama’s 2012 deputy campaign manager.” Her company’s affiliation with the Clinton campaign was not disclosed.
That was the second time Cutter came on Meet the Press to discuss the campaign. Last June, again identified only as a former Obama campaign manager, Cutter said Clinton had “achieved what she needed to achieve, that she’s a fighter, that she’s going to restore that basic economic bargain.”
Speaking about the Democratic primary on ABC News’ This Week in November, Cutter was introduced as “a supporter of Hillary Clinton” — but still not as a consultant whose firm was being paid by the campaign. When Cutter appeared on CNN to discuss the political impact of the Benghazi committee hearings on Clinton, she was similarly introduced as a Democratic strategist, not as someone whose firm is working for the candidate. Precision Strategies did not respond to a request for comment.
Maria Cardona, a CNN contributor, has appeared on a regular basis over the course the presidential campaign as a reliable voice in support of Clinton. She is also a longtime partner at the Dewey Square Group, a lobbying firm with extensive ties to the Clinton campaign: Two Dewey Square partners serve as fundraisers for the Clinton campaign, each raising at least $100,000; both pro-Clinton Super PACs — Priorities USA Action and Correct the Record — have paid Dewey Square for consulting services during this election; and the co-founding partner of Dewey Square now serves as the chief administrative officer of the Clinton campaign. Notably, Cardona, a DNC “superdelegate” who pledged support for Clinton last year, before any of the primary elections, also contributed the maximum donation to Clinton’s campaign.
Those ties, however, were not revealed to CNN viewers even as Cardona defended Clinton’s use of a private email server, touted Clinton’s support from young voters, praised Clinton’s record on criminal justice reform, and — on two separate occasions — declared that Clinton will “fight for middle-class families.” She has also appeared frequently on the network to analyze the race between Bernie Sanders and Clinton, often castigating the Vermont senator. Cardona appears on CNN, CNN en Español, and CNN International.
The Intercept reviewed transcripts for 50 television segments, from August 2015 through this month, in which Cardona has appeared on CNN to discuss Clinton. In five of those appearances, she was identified or she identified herself as a supporter of Clinton. In another five, she identified herself as someone who advised Clinton during the 2008 campaign. The other 40 appearances presented her as a neutral Democratic strategist or CNN contributor. And in none of her appearances was it disclosed that her firm, the Dewey Square Group, has been retained for consulting work by the Clinton Super PACs or that her colleagues at the firm are working on behalf of the Clinton campaign. Cardona did not respond to a request for comment.
CNBC contributor Sara Fagen, a political operative, has appeared twice on ABC News’s This Week to discuss the state of Republican primaries. Both times, she touted Jeb Bush’s campaign, which ended last week after a long string of dismal failures. In her appearance last August, Fagen said Bush along with Ted Cruz are the only candidates “really focused on a 35-state strategy going forward.” In her second appearance, on November 1, Fagen spoke at length about Bush’s ability to recover from weak performances at the GOP debates, telling host Martha Raddatz: “Martha, he has the most money. He has the most organization. He has the most endorsements, and the thing that he’s had that no one on that stage has, is he’s been through the fire before. And that is incredibly valuable in the long run.”
Fagen also used her position with CNBC to praise Bush’s campaign and criticize his opponents in televised appearances and through a column she writes for the website. In September, Fagen used her CNBC column to predict the “beginning of the end” of Donald Trump’s leading position in the Republican field. In the piece, she argued that Trump’s downfall would likely benefit candidates like Bush, who had collected the most “endorsements from political leaders.” In two different CNBC columns this year, Fagen praised Bush’s debate performances. In one, published on February 8, Fagen said Bush could use the New Hampshire primary, even if he finished second or third, to “catapult into the GOP nomination” and “be a new comeback kid.”
Throughout her punditry over the last year, Fagen has been introduced or bylined as a “Republican strategist” and contributor to CNBC. But FEC records show that the Bush campaign paid Deep Root Analytics, a data-consulting firm co-founded by Fagen, $586,610 in 2015, starting in July. Right to Rise USA, the Bush-supporting Super PAC, paid Deep Root Analytics $273,001, with payments starting in August 2015 and continuing into January 2016. She has also been a “bundler” for the Bush campaign, a term used to describe a fundraiser who helps collect campaign checks.
Hari Sevugan is a principal at 270 Strategies, which was co-founded by Lynda Tran, a CBS News political contributor. 270 Strategies boasts on the homepage of its website of its extensive work for the Clinton campaign. “270 Strategies worked with the Ready for Hillary team to develop their organizing approach and provided guidance on their volunteer engagement program,” the website notes, detailing work on behalf of a pro-Clinton Super PAC that later folded into the larger Clinton campaign. FEC records show that Ready for Hillary paid 270 Strategies $301,621 for consulting work, and later, the Hillary for America campaign paid the firm at least $75,200.
That relationship, however, seems to have gone unmentioned as Sevugan and Tran regularly appeared on MSNBC and CBS News to comment on the Democratic primary. Sevugan went on MSNBC in February to drastically raise the expectations for Bernie Sanders’ campaign, declaring, “Anything short of a victory there in Iowa and New Hampshire is going to be a failure for them.” After the Iowa caucus, Tran made similar arguments, again diminishing Sanders’ surge by claiming that his come-from-behind near-tie was in fact a flop.
“It’s not just about outcomes, it’s also about expectations, and actually I think the expectations were pretty high for Bernie heading into Iowa last night,” Tran said. “What he really needed was to absolutely win.”
Sevugan’s and Tran’s financial ties to the Clinton campaign were not disclosed in these appearances and other similar segments throughout the primary race in recent months. In several segments, their affiliations with 270 Strategies were disclosed, but not the firm’s work for the Clinton campaign.
When I sent a request for comment to CBS News and 270 Strategies last week, neither responded — although a 270 Strategies communications official began following me on Twitter. On Saturday, when Tran appeared on CBS News to discuss the results of the Nevada caucus election, the host noted for the first time: “Before we start, we should disclose that several employees of 270 Strategies do some work for the Hillary Clinton campaign, however, Lynda, you do not.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/25/tv-pundits-praise-hillary-clinton-on-air-fail-to-disclose-financial-ties-to-her-campaign/ bump
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No one's listening ricey. No one's ever been listening.
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JP supporting a criminal for president. Someone who is responsible for violent deaths of embassy officials in Benghazi and whose husband supported terrorists in Bosnia (Al Qaeda).
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:lol: bosnia have al qaeda? When ?? Thats news to me
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: bosnia have al qaeda? When ?? Thats news to me 1990s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Bosnia_and_HerzegovinaEdited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 29/2/2016 10:21:17 PM
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:lol: no just no:lol:
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: no just no:lol: are you really denying this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
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Yes since im married to a bosnian .Wikipedia really?
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Yes since im married to a bosnian .Wikipedia really? so because you're married to a bosnian you know everything about bosnia and the war? I know a lot of bosnians mate, you really dont know everything. Even bosnians didnt know a lot of what was going on with that war, but I've heard a lot of anecdotes.
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:lol: :lol: no you dont .typcial ricey uses wikipedia
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even BBC acknowledges Mujahideen in Bosnia and they're highly compromised http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33345618Mujahideen => Al Qaeda
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:lol: sure thing boss sure thing :lol:
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:lol: ricey has a go at everyone else whenever they post content from legitimate news sources, and then tries to prove a point using Wikipedia. Amazing.
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Sssh he knows plenty of bosnians. If he lived in melbourne he can tell me where the bosnian populace live. Theres two places
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Lots of anecdotes on Reddit and Twitter.
Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: sure thing boss sure thing :lol: Your head explode? Quote:[size=8]Bosnia — base for terrorism[/size] By Craig Pyes, Josh Meyer and William C. Rempel Los Angeles Times
ZENICA, Bosnia-Herzegovina — Hundreds of foreign Islamic extremists who became Bosnian citizens after battling Serbian and Croatian forces present a potential terrorist threat to Europe and the United States, according to a classified U.S. State Department report and interviews with international military and intelligence sources. The extremists include hard-core terrorists, some with ties to Osama bin Laden, protected by militant elements of the former Sarajevo government. Bosnia-Herzegovina is "a staging area and safe haven" for terrorists, said one former senior State Department official.
The secret report, prepared late last year for the Clinton administration, warned of problem passport holders in Bosnia in numbers that "shocked everyone," he said.
The White House leaned on Bosnia and its then-president, Alija Izetbegovic, "but nothing happened," the former official said.
Although no evidence connects any Bosnian group to the suicide hijacking attacks of Sept. 11 blamed on bin Laden, U.S. and European officials increasingly are concerned about the scope and reach of bin Laden networks in the West and the proximity of Bosnia-based terrorists to the heart of Europe.
A number of the extremists "would travel with impunity and conduct, plan and stage terrorist acts with impunity while hiding behind their Bosnian passports," the former official said.
In several instances, terrorists with links to Bosnia have launched actions against Western targets:
• An Algerian with Bosnian citizenship, described by one U.S. official as "a junior Osama bin Laden," tried to help smuggle explosives in 1998 to an Egyptian terrorist group plotting to destroy U.S. military installations in Germany.
• Another North African with Bosnian citizenship belonged to a terrorist cell in Montreal that conspired in the failed millennium plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport.
• One of bin Laden's top lieutenants — a Palestinian linked to major terrorist plots in Jordan, France and the United States — had operatives in Bosnia and was issued a Bosnian passport, according to U.S. officials.
After the foiled plot against U.S. bases in Germany, the United States suspended without public explanation a military-aid program to Bosnia in 1999 in an attempt to force the deportation of the Algerian leader of the group, Abdelkader Mokhtari, also known as Abu el Maali.
Two months ago, he was reported to be moving in and out of the country freely. He is thought to be in Afghanistan with the leadership of bin Laden's al Qaeda group, according to a senior official for the NATO-led peacekeeping force, SFOR, in Bosnia.
President Clinton's secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, personally appealed to Izetbegovic to oust suspected terrorists or rescind their Bosnian passports.
The effort by top State Department aides continued through the last days of the administration. Izetbegovic declined the appeals, several sources said, apparently out of loyalty to the fighters who had come to his country's rescue. Senior U.S. and SFOR officials believe that some hard-line members of Izetbegovic's political party gave direct support. Although Izetbegovic stepped down in October 2000, many hard-liners remain in Bosnia's bureaucracy, and they are suspected of operating their own rogue intelligence service that protects Islamic extremists, military and intelligence sources said.
But U.S. and SFOR officials acknowledge the new coalition government in Sarajevo has become much more responsive to fighting terrorism.
Since Sept. 11, Bosnia has launched an audit of passports and mounted a more intensive crackdown on naturalized citizens wanted by foreign law-enforcement agencies.
After years of inaction, several international fugitives have been arrested this year and extradited.
Members of bin Laden's organization and other terrorists have used Bosnian passports to travel worldwide without drawing the kind of scrutiny that people who hold Middle Eastern or North African documents might attract, officials said.
Among those who Western intelligence sources say were granted Bosnian citizenship and passports was Abu Zubeida, one of bin Laden's top lieutenants.
Zubeida, a Palestinian from the Gaza Strip, was in charge of contacts with other Islamic terrorist networks and controlled admissions to terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.
He arranged training for unsuccessful millennium bomb plots in Canada and Jordan and a recently foiled suicide attack on the U.S. Embassy in Paris, according to court records and investigative reports.
Zubeida also asked Ahmed Ressam, who was convicted in the plot to bomb the Los Angeles airport, to get blank Canadian passports to enable other terrorists to infiltrate the United States, according to testimony from Ressam.
Another terrorist with Bosnian credentials is Karim Said Atmani, a Moroccan who was Ressam's roommate in Montreal and who was in the group that attempted to bomb the airport, according to testimony.
The Bosnian government arrested him in April, and Atmani was extradited to France, where he awaits sentencing on terrorism charges.
In 1992, thousands of volunteers from North Africa, the Middle East and Europe came to Bosnia to fight Serbian and Croatian nationalists on behalf of fellow Muslims.
Organized as an "all-mujahedeen unit" called El Moujahed, it was headquartered in Zenica in an abandoned hillside factory, a compound with a hospital and prayer hall.
Bin Laden financed small convoys of recruits from the Arab world through his businesses in Sudan, according to Middle East intelligence reports.
Other support and recruits for El Moujahed came, at least in part, through Islamic organizations in Milan, Italy, and Istanbul, Turkey, that European investigators later linked to trafficking in passports and weapons for terrorists.
At the war's end, U.S. officials focused on state-sponsored terrorism and worried about getting Iranian fighters back to Iran. Less clear were the implications of loosely allied extremist groups and individuals. While Iranian fighters went home, many of el Maali's trained warriors did not.
In Bosnia, most of the violence stopped with the peace accord in 1995. But in January 1996, it broke out again — on the streets of northern France.
A puzzling crime wave swept the area around Roubaix, a gritty, Muslim-majority town near the Belgian border.
Small groups of men began holding up stores and drivers. They brandished machine guns and wore hoods and carnival masks. Two people were killed.
On March 28, just before a Group of Seven summit of leading industrial nations that would bring top ministers to Lille, police discovered a stolen car abandoned in front of the police station. It was parked askew. And it contained a bomb packed into three gas cylinders rigged to devastate everything within 600 feet. It was disarmed.
The next night, a special tactical squad surrounded a house at 59 Rue Heni Carette in Roubaix that had been linked to the booby-trapped car.
Police fired thousands of rounds into the building. The house erupted in flames because of munitions inside, police said later. Four charred bodies were recovered.
Two men fled the barrage and inferno. At a police roadblock just inside Belgium, another furious gun battle erupted. One of the men was killed, and his accomplice was wounded.
In the getaway car, police found rocket launchers, automatic weapons, large amounts of ammunition and grenades. They also recovered an electronic organizer containing coded telephone contacts, nearly a dozen of them in Bosnia.
The dead ringleader was identified as Christophe Caze, a young French medic who had gone to fight in Bosnia.
The French investigation uncovered what might have been the first terrorism cell exported from Bosnia.
The robbery gang was identified as nine militants who attended a local mosque. Most had undergone military training at the El Moujahed compound in Bosnia.
The armed robberies were a radical form of fund raising by Caze and his associates to benefit their "Muslim brothers in Algeria." Their high-powered weapons were smuggled home from the Bosnian war.
Caze's organizer was described by one official as "the address book of the professional terrorist."
It contained phone contacts in England, Italy, France and Canada, as well as direct lines to el Maali's Zenica headquarters. It led French authorities to trace travels and phone records and to set up electronic surveillance.
French counterterrorism officials realized they had stumbled upon more than a band of gangsters.
Five years before the sophisticated terrorist assault on the United States, the French were starting to uncover loosely linked violent networks spreading into several countries, all tied together by a common thread: Bosnia.
One of the phone numbers in the dead terrorist's organizer led to a suspect in Canada: Fateh Kamel, 41, who ran a small trinkets shop in Montreal.
Kamel also was a confidant of el Maali. Kamel had gone to Bosnia early in the war, suffered a shrapnel wound in one leg and been treated at the El Moujahed hospital by Caze, the young medic.
After the Dayton accord, French police say, Kamel became deeply involved in terrorist logistics. During the same period, Kamel assisted other North African extremists relocating to Canada, exploiting the country's lax immigration laws and Quebec's eagerness for French-speaking immigrants such as Algerians.
According to French investigators, Kamel was the leader of a terrorist cell in Montreal. Other members included Ressam, Atmani and a third roommate, Mustafa Labsi.
Like Kamel, Atmani had served in Bosnia and was close to el Maali.
Later, authorities believe, the three roommates went to Afghanistan to train for a terrorist attack on the United States. They returned to the West after learning their target would be Los Angeles International Airport. The conspiracy was interrupted when Atmani was deported from Canada to Bosnia.
When Ressam, traveling alone, was captured at the border in Washington state with explosives in his rental car, U.S. officials tried to track down his former roommate Atmani.
Atmani was part of the hard-core terrorist group noted in the secret State Department report. He remained beyond the reach of international extradition until this year, when he was arrested and turned over to France by Bosnia's new coalition government. He awaits sentencing on terrorism charges.
Kamel, the alleged ringleader of the group, was arrested in Jordan and extradited to France, where he is in prison on a terrorism conviction.
Ressam and Labsi have been jailed. All of the members of the former Montreal cell have been convicted of being operatives in a terrorist network that originated in Bosnia. http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20011015&slug=bosnia15
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Sssh he knows plenty of bosnians. If he lived in melbourne he can tell me where the bosnian populace live. Theres two places My GF's mum lived in St Albans
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Sssh he knows plenty of bosnians. If he lived in melbourne he can tell me where the bosnian populace live. Theres two places My GF's mum lived in St Albans Nope . Good try though
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Sssh he knows plenty of bosnians. If he lived in melbourne he can tell me where the bosnian populace live. Theres two places My GF's mum lived in St Albans Nope . Good try though you calling me a liar?
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