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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
All you need to form a responsible opinion on Michelle Fields.

[youtube]s8D3Ohyf4Gs[/youtube]


Fair to say she's got form
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
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no way will trump win.
all the bernie voters will end up voting for Hilary, who is potentially worse than Trump :lol:

either way whoever Trump faces they will win. It will end up being Anyone but Trump.

agree with adrtho
re: Sanders supporters, some will vote for Hillary, some will even vote for Trump, but a lot will more likely stay away from the polls altogether.

Looking at the 2012 election results, Trump probably holds all of Romney's wins, whilst having a shot at dominating the Midwest, where Romney lost in the white vote which is apparently all that Trump appeals to.

The only way a democrat wins is if Cruz is the Republican nominee.


what? where do you get this info? do you have a link ? or is this just your gut feeling ?

71% of the biggest voting group (Women) hate Trump , there no holding Romney's wins :lol:
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Trump will beat Clinton in a General easily.



The money is on Hillary Clinton to bury Donald Trump

Prediction one: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton will win their parties' nominations. Prediction two: Clinton will take the White House handily. At least, that's what political wagering websites say.

These operations, which distill the wisdom of crowds, turn out to be surprisingly solid when it comes to predicting presidential races. Their record for accuracy outdoes that of opinion polls.

Most Web-based political investment markets -- they don't like to call themselves betting pools, not wanting to run up against online gambling bans -- are structured to run much like commodity futures exchanges.

According to the oldest such election bourse, the Iowa Electronic Markets, which has been operating since 1988, Trump has 85 percent odds of capturing the Republican nomination this year; Clinton has a 90 percent chance of gaining the Democratic prize. And the Democrats' candidate in the fall is the favorite, by 67-33 percent. (The Iowa market, run by the University of Iowa, doesn't put a person's name at the head of the ticket before the party's nominating convention.)

That's a slightly better result for Clinton than the Bloomberg poll finds: 54 percent for her and 36 percent for Trump.

Another prominent exchange that trafficks in the presidential contest is Predictit, a two-year-old organization run by Victoria University in New Zealand, with a Washington, D.C., office. Both the Iowa exchange and Predictit received OKs from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission to operate. The two organizations view themselves as more of an academic experiment than a business.

Then there are the storied British betting houses, Ladbrokes and Betfair Group. The two U.K. firms accept actual bets, chiefly on sports and casino games, but also have lively gambling action on how elections will fare. By law, however, U.S. dwellers can't deal with these outfits, which have similar American election prognostication numbers as the Iowa exchange and Predictit.

How accurate are these predictions?For nationwide races, as opposed to state presidential primaries and caucuses, they have been quite reliable, and more so closer to an election.

Iowa professors did a study of their exchange's results through 2008, its 20-year anniversary. They found it was accurate 74 percent of the time 100 days from an election, defining "accuracy" as being more precise than the polls. Opinion polls tend to be more exact right before a balloting, as voters focus with greater intensity on the candidates. So, five days prior to an election, the exchange was better than the polls 68 percent of the time. Predictit says it has an 84 percent accuracy rate, as measured against actual voting outcomes.

The task is tougher for primaries and caucuses. Predictit nailed the most recent contests, in Arizona, Utah and Idaho. But for Super Tuesday on March 1, it mistakenly projected that Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders would lose to Clinton in Minnesota and Oklahoma. Instead, he won those two states by convincing margins.

The reason likely is that when traders from around the nation predict a specific state's outcome, they're not always clued into its particular situation. Brandi Travis, a spokeswoman for Predictit, said its Iowa-resident traders were more accurate for that's state's Feb. 1 caucus results than were non-Iowa ones.

For the next big contest, April 5 in Wisconsin, Predictit says Texas Sen. Ted Cruz will sweep to victory with 60 percent of the vote, versus 40 percent for Trump. For the Democrats, the exchange's traders believe, Sanders will outpace Clinton, 54-48 percent.

Why are they often so prescient?Various studies conclude that it's the nature of the people who participate in the electoral exchanges: mainly those who are highly informed about politics. Plus, they have a monetary stake in their election picks, which makes them take the endeavor more seriously than someone selected at random by pollsters for a phone survey.

"Polls are a static, one-time prediction," said Joyce Berg, a University of Iowa accounting professor who's the exchange's director. But traders on the exchange, she added, are continuously drinking in new information about the political state of play, and thus are more in tune with changing dynamics.

How much money can you make with these investments? Not a lot. Most limit an investment to $500 per contract. You might double your money. But the winnings are a pittance compared to what Wall Street sharpies can reap with their multimillion-dollar antes for stock and commodities trades.

People who invest in the political exchanges "do this because it's fun and interesting," said Tom Snee, spokesman for the Iowa exchange. Along the way, they give us a pretty decent crystal ball, although with this year's topsy-turvy race, you can be less sure that things will follow a predictable path. Last September, the exchanges gave little chance that Trump would advance this far.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-money-is-on-hillary-clinton-to-bury-donald-trump/


money talks, bullshit walk

there about $20m bet at betfair so far
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President Trump and Vice president Linda Mcmahon - Just accept it's going to happen
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President Trump and Vice president Linda Mcmahon - Just accept it's going to happen


just accept Trump finished and we can move on :lol:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
JonoMV wrote:
no way will trump win.
all the bernie voters will end up voting for Hilary, who is potentially worse than Trump :lol:

either way whoever Trump faces they will win. It will end up being Anyone but Trump.

agree with adrtho
re: Sanders supporters, some will vote for Hillary, some will even vote for Trump, but a lot will more likely stay away from the polls altogether.

Looking at the 2012 election results, Trump probably holds all of Romney's wins, whilst having a shot at dominating the Midwest, where Romney lost in the white vote which is apparently all that Trump appeals to.

The only way a democrat wins is if Cruz is the Republican nominee.


what? where do you get this info? do you have a link ? or is this just your gut feeling ?

71% of the biggest voting group (Women) hate Trump , there no holding Romney's wins :lol:
Wall Street Journal/NBC poll claims that 33% of Sanders voters will abstain at the presidential election, if Clinton is the nominee.

This "71%" of women hate him sounds ridiculous by the way. If women were so important to the vote, and more than two thirds would vote against him, how is he dominating the primaries?


Because Republican women are a totally different makeup from American women in general? The answer seems pretty obvious...

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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
TheDecider wrote:
11.mvfc.11 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
11.mvfc.11 wrote:
JonoMV wrote:
no way will trump win.
all the bernie voters will end up voting for Hilary, who is potentially worse than Trump :lol:

either way whoever Trump faces they will win. It will end up being Anyone but Trump.

agree with adrtho
re: Sanders supporters, some will vote for Hillary, some will even vote for Trump, but a lot will more likely stay away from the polls altogether.

Looking at the 2012 election results, Trump probably holds all of Romney's wins, whilst having a shot at dominating the Midwest, where Romney lost in the white vote which is apparently all that Trump appeals to.

The only way a democrat wins is if Cruz is the Republican nominee.


what? where do you get this info? do you have a link ? or is this just your gut feeling ?

71% of the biggest voting group (Women) hate Trump , there no holding Romney's wins :lol:
Wall Street Journal/NBC poll claims that 33% of Sanders voters will abstain at the presidential election, if Clinton is the nominee.

This "71%" of women hate him sounds ridiculous by the way. If women were so important to the vote, and more than two thirds would vote against him, how is he dominating the primaries?


Because Republican women are a totally different makeup from American women in general? The answer seems pretty obvious...

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Republican women aren't American women? I find it hard to believe that only 29% of the nation's ladies are Republican/don't hate Trump, that's all.


because there only about 40% of people vote in Republican and Democratic Primary...the other 60% only vote in General Election.....so Trump getting 40% of 20%
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Another Sanders landslide and again meets and beats his target to remain on course for the nomination.
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Another Sanders landslide and again meets and beats his target to remain on course for the nomination.


:lol:

Sanders has to win 1300 out of 1900 delegates left

Trump now gone
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Trump can still win the nomination, it is certainly not over although the size if the defeat my be troubling him.

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The Clintons are a cancer to the liberal democratic movement. The more lies and shit that comes out of their mouths pushes people towards Trump. Its looking like Bernie or bust for alot of dems. At least Trump actually means what he says.
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Prosecutor wrote:
The Clintons are a cancer to the liberal democratic movement. The more lies and shit that comes out of their mouths pushes people towards Trump. Its looking like Bernie or bust for alot of dems. At least Trump actually means what he says.


I highly doubt that, he has had differing positions on various subjects in a short period of time which means he is either ignorant, stupid or lying at least some of the time.

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Prosecutor wrote:
The Clintons are a cancer to the liberal democratic movement. The more lies and shit that comes out of their mouths pushes people towards Trump. Its looking like Bernie or bust for alot of dems. At least Trump actually means what he says.


This post is proof of the stupidity of personality politics.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
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The Clintons are a cancer to the liberal democratic movement. The more lies and shit that comes out of their mouths pushes people towards Trump. Its looking like Bernie or bust for alot of dems. At least Trump actually means what he says.


I highly doubt that, he has had differing positions on various subjects in a short period of time which means he is either ignorant, stupid or lying at least some of the time.
I'd rather have someone ignorant with good intentions than informed and evil.


Yup. Sad state of affairs over in the US.
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TheDecider wrote:
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The Clintons are a cancer to the liberal democratic movement. The more lies and shit that comes out of their mouths pushes people towards Trump. Its looking like Bernie or bust for alot of dems. At least Trump actually means what he says.


This post is proof of the stupidity of personality politics.


It's almost like people are judging the clintons on their actual policy and finding they aren't for the average American.

Your stupidity knows no bounds JP.
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Prosecutor wrote:
The Clintons are a cancer to the liberal democratic movement. The more lies and shit that comes out of their mouths pushes people towards Trump. Its looking like Bernie or bust for alot of dems. At least Trump actually means what he says.


Policy? Your post is exclusively about personality, which is a very ill-informed way to make political judgments.

If you bothered to look at her policies Clinton is essentially running for Obama's third term, which liberal democrats should be more than happy with.
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for me now it;s all about what does the GOP do about Cruz and Republican nominee...the GOP will 100% fuck Trump off when no body get 1237 delegates, but do the GOP fuck Cruz over to , when he stops Trump from getting 1237 delegates

now, it really hard to know what going to happen once we know Trump is dead
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Kasich most likely to be competitive in a General against Clinton, and will likely win Ohio.
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I don't get what the supposed scandal is about Clinton in that case raised by 11.mvfc.11.

I am not necessarily a fan of hers - but surely she was doing her job as a defence attorney? Their job is to provide the most robust defence possible.

Regarding the disparity in the exit polls and results in the republican primary - was this one a caucus vote? I've seen that the exit polls for caucus states have been notoriously unreliable.

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AzzaMarch wrote:
I don't get what the supposed scandal is about Clinton in that case raised by 11.mvfc.11.

I am not necessarily a fan of hers - but surely she was doing her job as a defence attorney? Their job is to provide the most robust defence possible.

Regarding the disparity in the exit polls and results in the republican primary - was this one a caucus vote? I've seen that the exit polls for caucus states have been notoriously unreliable.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 7/4/2016 09:10:11 AM


With caucus' they do entrance polls, not exit polls. This means the people going in may well change their mind as convincing others on how they should voted is a part of the process. This adds an extra level of uncertainty to the polling that is done.

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11.mvfc.11 wrote:

The scandal is her attitude after the fact. I have no problem with a lawyer doing all they can to lessen the charges for their defendant, but Clinton is promoting herself as a believer in protecting women and empowering them, whilst having done some pretty shady shit to get this guy off, when she knew he was guilty.

It's hypocritical to me, that Clinton could consciously defend a man to that extent and brag about it, then start a foundation for girls and women and proclaim herself as a champion of women's rights whilst running for president.


But she was a court appointed defender. It's not like she made a truckload of money defending a rich reprobate. Often if you are court-appointed you have no option to refuse the client (don't know if that was the case here). But regardless, she would be breaching the ethics rules of her job if she didn't run the most vigorous defence possible. You seem to be saying that merely by doing her job, it then makes her a hypocrite for advocating for women's rights later??? What is it you think criminal defence attorneys do? If you refused to defend anyone who was accused of doing something anti-female, you wouldn't be working much. And you can't just refuse to defend someone if you suspect they are guilty.

There is so much stuff that can legitimately be said critically about the Clintons in general, and Hillary in particular, that there is no requirement to grasp at straws like you seem to be doing with this example.

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There is no such thing as a caucus primary. Caucuses are caucuses, primaries are primaries.


Yes - I worded that incorrectly. I just meant 'was it a caucus or a primary'. I don't think inconsistency between exit polls and results mean anything necessarily. It sometimes happens. Are there any actual claims of dodgy behaviour?
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
[youtube]iZGZZcSn6rA[/youtube]

And Trump is the bad guy :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-&


:-k

Everything she says in this video seems entirely reasonable honestly.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
[youtube]iZGZZcSn6rA[/youtube]

And Trump is the bad guy :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :-&


:-k

Everything she says in this video seems entirely reasonable honestly.
Aborting on the due date? Abortion should solely be up to the female? What about fathers who have no right to terminate their involvement and are practically indentured to the mother? Or father's that want the child but find out their partner has gone and aborted?


She's not saying anything especially controversial. It's basically the usual 'safe, legal and rare' line. You'd hope that fathers and mothers can discuss these things reasonably but at the end of the day the woman's the person who has to carry that foetus and the final decision should rest with her.

Ideally I think adoptions are a better option in most circumstances - but the decision isn't up to me and it certainly shouldn't be up to the government.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:

The scandal is her attitude after the fact. I have no problem with a lawyer doing all they can to lessen the charges for their defendant, but Clinton is promoting herself as a believer in protecting women and empowering them, whilst having done some pretty shady shit to get this guy off, when she knew he was guilty.

It's hypocritical to me, that Clinton could consciously defend a man to that extent and brag about it, then start a foundation for girls and women and proclaim herself as a champion of women's rights whilst running for president.


But she was a court appointed defender. It's not like she made a truckload of money defending a rich reprobate. Often if you are court-appointed you have no option to refuse the client (don't know if that was the case here). But regardless, she would be breaching the ethics rules of her job if she didn't run the most vigorous defence possible. You seem to be saying that merely by doing her job, it then makes her a hypocrite for advocating for women's rights later??? What is it you think criminal defence attorneys do? If you refused to defend anyone who was accused of doing something anti-female, you wouldn't be working much. And you can't just refuse to defend someone if you suspect they are guilty.

There is so much stuff that can legitimately be said critically about the Clintons in general, and Hillary in particular, that there is no requirement to grasp at straws like you seem to be doing with this example.

Jesus Christ, you are the epitome of a blind arguer. I have no problem with her doing her job as a defence lawyer. I am well aware that she was bound to defend the client as best she could, it says as much in the article I posted. My gripe is with her flippant attitude after the fact, where she has no obligation to support her client or her own actions in the case.

Also, just because I posted one negative Clinton article, that you may or may not agree with on premise, doesn't mean it's the only criticism I have for her.

11.mvfc.11 wrote:

There is no such thing as a caucus primary. Caucuses are caucuses, primaries are primaries.


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Yes - I worded that incorrectly. I just meant 'was it a caucus or a primary'. I don't think inconsistency between exit polls and results mean anything necessarily. It sometimes happens. Are there any actual claims of dodgy behaviour?

No;.


I am no fan of Hillary - but I think this is a really weak field of candidates. I think that she is the best of a bad bunch. She is basically a 3rd Obama term. Whilst I am critical of some aspects of what he has done, at least his policies have generally been within the field of rationality. I feel that Sanders, Trump and Cruz all have aspects of policy where they have extremely woolly ideas without much thought for the potential consequences.

Clinton personally is not someone I admire, but she is a hard headed political realist in my opinion.
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If you want a third term of Obama Kasich is absolutely not your candidate...
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
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If you want a third term of Obama Kasich is absolutely not your candidate...
Where did he say that's what he wanted?


He said she's basically Obama's third term, and on that basis is supporting Clinton. Azza can clarify but that's what I inferred.

Kasich is the best of the Republicans but he's still very right-wing.
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Obama's the best President America's had since Johnson imo. Obviously plenty will disagree.
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TheDecider wrote:
Obama's the best President America's had since Johnson imo. Obviously plenty will disagree.


very hard to know with Obama.....only time will tell...

we have entered a new cold war with Russia, the US sending 3 Armored Brigades to eastern Europe (1st time ever) , is the start from a US point of view, Putin and Russia started cold war 4 years ago

china building islands in middle of the world busy shipping lanes ...US can't let this go on , something has to happen soon

and Middle East....

Obama look like he fucked it all up, but we will really only know after he gone
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Yes - my opinion is that out of the candidates on offer, Clinton is the least bad.

I think Obama has been a rational voice generally, but I think he has been perhaps too indecisive, especially when it comes to foreign policy.

Not that I am advocating militarism or isolationism. But there have been a number of missteps - the 'red line' that was made about Assad and chemical weapons, but the unwillingness to be a credible threat and follow through.

I think they should have been able to predict Russian action in the Ukraine. I don't think it was really thought through as to how Russia could possibly react if they lost Ukraine as a sphere of influence.

Obama is fundamentally correct that Russia is acting from weakness, and that eastern Ukraine is now a money pit for Putin. But I think it was underestimated that Russia would react militarily.

Having said all that, the Arab Spring, and Ukraine revolution created situations where the US had to act in reaction to events, rather than driving them. Would another president have done better? Who knows.

A continuation of the Obama era, with perhaps more of a realpolitik foreign policy approach Clinton will bring, is really the only sane option on offer.

Obviously my opinion is clear that Cruz and Trump are clowns and extremely dangerous.

Kasich is interesting - because he is not a realistic chance I haven't looked into him much. Compared to Cruz and Trump he is more moderate. But I think that is only because Trump and Cruz are so far off the spectrum. Some stuff I have read on him suggests he is still pretty right wing. But I don't know enough for a strong opinion.

The problems in the USA are actually obscured by this presidential election. The real issue is the Congress. Hardly anyone votes in them, the electoral boundaries in the House of Reps are largely gerrymandered making very few seats competitive.

This means that the real electoral race is the primary - less than 10% of the electoral roll vote in congressional primaries:

http://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_importance_of_increasing_turnout_in_congressional_primaries
Not all primaries have low turnout. Sometimes turnout is heavy in hotly fought statewide primaries. But even in the highly contested primaries of 2010, turnout averaged just 7.5 percent of the voting age population. And in recent years we’ve seen an increase in the number of extremely safe congressional districts, while the number of “swing” seats (those with competitive races) has decreased. In 2014, there were just 90 such “swing” seats out of 435.

When the primary is the main contest, you encourage the most hardcore committed people. This creates polarisation, and that is why you can't get congress to pass anything when congress and the Presidency are held by different parties.

So I can't really be critical of Obama being unable to negotiate much through congress. No democrat could.
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Bernie Sanders is starting to look very very good.
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