Yep 7 down now. Imagine if Voges was out, this could have been a decent match to watch. Small margins and making the most of luck etc. etc.

A no ball call borks the bowler and can be the reason for a dismissal
Thats why they don't check it

he got a bit of luck on 8 but that doesn't explain why he got 200 more runs

thoroughly outplayed NZ in tough conditions.

I'm liking the development of Neville. I think he could end up world class

Only weakspots in our batting side is now Marsh who thankfully is making up for it in his bowling and Bird who might need some more games to adjust to the variety of conditions test cricket provides

Unfortunately, Voges' innings was a farce. He was bowled out , neck and crop, by Bracewell on 7. It wasn't a case of a LBW that was likely to have hit the wicket, or a catch that could've carried or not, it was an unequivocal bowled out. ](*,)

It seems ludicrous that the umpire could not overturn the decision.](*,)

Voges scored 200 odd runs that should not have been scored. Thankfully, Australia won by 50 odd runs. I'd like to think if Voges had correctly been given out, that Australia would've made the 150 odd runs in the second innings if Voges' score was subtracted from the Australian total.

The Kiwis copped that Lyon decision too in Adelaide. It was also decisive in the outcome of a Test, and, the result of a series.

Given that Voges' innings will always be surrounded in controversy, I think there was a case that for the greater good of the game, he should've retired as soon as he saw that Bracewell's ball was legitimate. In the context of the result, it would be one of the worst decisions ever made by an umpire in Test cricket history. McCullum just demonstrated a great deal of magnanimity and grace when asked about the decision.

Even worse Voges was named man of the match.

Otherwise it was a great Test.






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Edited by Decentric: 15/2/2016 01:50:56 PM

No way
no balls calls always borked me. The game stops for even a bit of movement near the sight screan because it can bork the batter.
There is no gaurantee that he would have been bowled without the no ball call
that is why they don't overturn these sorts of wickets

He wasn't borked the ball deviated :lol:

That wicket should clearly have been overturned. It should cost Illingsworth his job. Was looking forward to watching it yesterday but the contest was over.

sorry but the rules have the common sense principle that you cannot overturn such decisions because of the borking effect of calling a noball
Also umpires make mistakes all the time, including no ball calls. Its hardly going to cost him his job despite vindictive NZ fans :D
Besides if you blame an innings defeat on a single moment then you really are deluded

I hate talking about one incident in a contest.

Despite 'baulking' it was so clear a dismissal.

Edited by Decentric: 15/2/2016 01:52:58 PM

Don't rate the New Zealand team.

@Decentric I see Webster made his 2nd ton in 2 games for Tassie last night.

Some positives.

*The caught and bowleds by Anderson and Boult were astonishing.=d>

*Lyon's continued bowling improvement is a bonus for Australia. So is Mitch Marsh's.

*I'm not sure how we dismissed Williamson in the second innings, but the first innings' dismissal was a lucky break. This guy is an outstanding batsman.

* Kawaja's batting has been a real bonus. We really needed him to step up, because there are few others of sufficient quality between the ages of 26-32 in Oz.

*Nevill's keeping and batting looks okay. Haddin was getting too old.

* Australia got the bowling job done with more accurate fast medium bowlers, and most importantly GOAT who took 7 wickets for the match.
Unless the likes of Pattinson, Starc, Johnson, Cummins are bowling at their fastest, consistently over 145kph, they are not as effective as the slower, more accurate pacemen, particularly in Kiwi conditions which are similar to England's. Apart from
Johnson, the stress on these guys' bowling actions make them injury prone.

* Ironically the Kiwis didn't select their express bowler, Adam Milne, who bowled most of his balls between 145 -151kph in the one dayers.

:lol: there was no baulking affect he played down the wrong line and got knocked over.

His foot was halfway behind the fucking line, that's like disallowing a goal that touched the half bulged the net.

Deluded? I said it ruined the contest. NZ would have lost due to accurate bowling by Aus and poor shot selection by NZ. I just wanted the game to be more of a contest.

True that Webster has done well. The rest of the Tassie team is struggling though.



The Kiwis drew with the Poms 1-1 in England just before we played them. We lost the Ashes 2-3.

I've seen this Kiwi team play a bit of cricket. I think there is little between the teams, but Australia has had a few lucky breaks. The Kiwis will be pleased to get Ross Taylor back for the Christchurch Test.

Our major advantage is that GOAT is a much better spinner than Craig.

Many former Shield cricketers I know in Australia think Williamson is the best batter to visit Australia for some time. Up there with Tendulkar and Lara.






Edited by Decentric: 15/2/2016 02:19:07 PM

Agree with this.

It should have been a much closer contest, with Australia having to chase down about 150 runs.

Shame we don't have a few of our Kiwi 442 members who are interested in cricket.

I'm not sure of other posters' opinion, but without pay TV the only FTA overseas Test cricket now available is in England.

To me the Oz public appraise the Aussie Test team from seeing them play almost exclusively in Aussie conditions. Overseas I feel they are out of sight, out of mind.

I really enjoy having Fox to be able to see what is occurring in other Test series, even though I despise the organisation and shocking back up service.

The Fox Sports commentary and cricket programs, like Inside Cricket, is probably preferable to FTA in Oz too.

NZ=whingers :-({|=

in the end he might play down a different line if the no ball isn't called
thats why this is in the rules
the initial decision was bad yes
but you cannot overturn that decision for that reason sorry

and if they can't get him out for another 200 runs on a bowler friendly pitch thats NZs problem

Have to :lol: about this sort of shit.

In saying that though, this is twice in consecutive series NZ have been screwed by umpires. Yet when Marsh gets given out the fucking sky is falling..... Irony, look it up :lol:

:lol: Australian sportsmanship right here :lol:

=; please

NZ sportsmanship=whinging and asking the umpire to get sacked

your team sucked in both series
Deal with it

:lol:

Sweetie, please. Be calm.

As for whinging, the irony of that is just too hilarious.

I do hope Australia gets screwed on a few blatant calls just for some perspective for you chief.

Grazor, is this you?

Not like the usual cool, calm and collected, Grazor.:lol:

I get what you are saying about not being able to take advantage of an event that arguably occurs regularly in sport. However, in terms of fairness, I think the Kiwis have had two decisive decisions that have gone against them with Lyon's issue in Adelaide.

Years ago circa 2006 Ashes Series in England, which was a terrific series, Warne appeared to have Pieterson LBW. In those days there was no DRS. I'm emphatic it would've been out with DRS. Pieterson went on to make a huge score. It was decisive in the outcome of that particular Test and the entire series.

Admitedly, England were the better team in the series. However, that Warne non LBW would surely have been overturned in the current era. I'd like to think with the Voges no ball, even given baulking, that Voges should've been given out on 7.

Yes, he batted brilliantly since, but unequivocally he was out. I also felt really sorry for Bracewell who bowled tirelessly without luck.

A further issue is that I've watched quite a bit of Test cricket in NZ. They are often poorly attended. Test cricket is inconsequential compared to the adulation given to the All Blacks and union . In this game at the Basin Reserve, the local crowds were good. It provided atmosphere. The Test could have been such a great contest apart from the Voges decision.

Other than that it has been a terrific Test in Wellington. The power hitting from the Kiwi late and middle order was good too, with some big sixes hit by the Kiwi tail. Unlike most limited overs cricket, they were made under pressure with close in fielders around the bat too.



Edited by Decentric: 16/2/2016 08:35:23 AM

Bantz are important in sports - at least ones your team is good at. That way you care a lot more when your team loses because you get embarrassed by all the smack talk when you lose :D.
I wouldn't dare do the same with the australian football team :D



Yeah I dont think he was definitely out. The equivalent would be if the ref blew his whistle for a foul 0.4 seconds before the keeper was beaten only for replays to show there was no foul. There is no way of knowing what would have happened if the whistle never blew

Actually on the DRS I'm starting to side with india
not really a fan. Originally it was to get rid of the howler but most decisions it overturns aren't howlers and as a physicist I don't think there can be that much faith in ball trackers. Also it sucks for low catches

Overall it kills the drama of the sport. Tension building up for ages then you jump from the chair when a plan that took ages to lay pays off. No jumping off the chair anymore just a "hmm will they review? No oh yay I guess we have a wicket"

I think it breeds contempt for umpires too. I was a part time umpire so I feel sympathy for them

The only reason I initially liked it was because I think that umpires are biased toward the team that has momentum.

But I think that it hasn't fixed this problem and has muted one of the joys of cricket

Edited by grazorblade: 15/2/2016 05:35:27 PM

Shane Warne casts doubt on the theory of evolution

Says the one which Social Darwinism gave him everything in life

Grazor, can you provide some sort of technical analysis on GOAT's bowling?

He appears to have improved.

Are there any specific aspects you can identify where Lyon has improved, if indeed he has improved at all.

tough coz I'm not an off spinner but a leg spinner. I think they are genuinely different positions.

he seems to have improved his revs on the ball over the last year or two and he still mixes up his speed and delivery point well (i.e. bowl slightly wide of the crease, then close to the stumps etc but bowl the same ball)

it seems though that the main areas that he is improving on are game situations rather than individual skills.
1. Lyon has paradoxically seemed to struggle more when conditions favoured him. This seems to be getting better
2. Lyon has gotten better at handling a batsman that wants to dominate him. The best I've seen at this is Anil Kumble of all people
Exactly how he is doing this im not sure not being an offie

I'd like to see him use more variation (more arm balls, toppies, doosras, big turners and quicker balls) having a variation once every over or two can make a big difference. The big turner is the hardest. For leg spin you usually hold back a bit of your spin so you can bowl the occasional big turner. I think some of the better indian offies do something similar but not sure. At least they seem to vary the amount of spin on the ball more than lyon

Anyway his average over the last 12 months is 25ish isn't it?
Thats well and truly world class.
I think that he has gone from one of the weak points in our team to cementing his spot for the forseeable future

the only weekspot is marsh's batting. We finally have a team that is capable of having 6 players averaging 40+ with the bat and 4 possibly 5 averaging below 30 with the ball so we may have a shot at getting overseas wins again

p.s. Lyon's control is very good. Not many loose balls

The biggest skill in leg spin is varying the turn, delivery point and speed while maintaining control and disguising these variations. This is even more important than having stark variations like flippers, wronguns etc.

can any offies confirm that you look for the same in offspin

Thanks.

Good stuff.

I enjoy these sorts of analyses from cricketers who played at a much higher level than me. My last game was at 14 for the school. Like football, I didn't learn much from mediocre coaching either.

I'd argue that Lyon is probably our most important bowler, ranked higher than any of the pacemen because there is far more depth in their ranks. Importantly, he does not injure himself like they do either.

also Lyon is getting a lot of drift

I must confess I never figured out how to control how much drift you get other than trying to get more revs on the ball. You get more drop by getting some overspin on the ball

again this might be a side effect of lyon getting more revs on the ball

Bowled very well last night. Think he needs some more First Class games behind him.

IMO If Mitch Marsh or James Faulkner is to play in the test team they need to play as a bowler. I think currently you can pick Marsh as a bowler. He is bowling well lately. Good FC Bowling record too.

Does Tassie have enough Keepers in the squad LOL.

Zampa should be nowhere near test cricket at the moment.


Who knows what the future holds but I'd like to see better performances in the Shield first.