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wiki is fine when it comes to data sets and the article i quoted was just a dataset
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Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Yes and they can take a less favourable trade deal in exchange and suffer a GDP per capita hit as grazorblade has suggested. Pure conjecture on your part. Do you know for sure they'll do less favourable trade deals? Conjecture is Mcjules s middle name
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Benjamin wrote:Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Yes and they can take a less favourable trade deal in exchange and suffer a GDP per capita hit as grazorblade has suggested. Pure conjecture on your part. Do you know for sure they'll do less favourable trade deals? It's difficult to negotiate a better deal than you had, when you are in a weaker position than you were previously in. As for Norway and Switzerland - should be noted that both negotiated to enter the common market on friendly terms with the EU, both were moving TOWARD to larger party - which the larger party will always welcome. The UK, on the other hand, will be negotiating with a larger party which they are attempting to disconnect from, moving away, on negative terms. There's no reason for the EU to cut the UK a favourable deal as they did with Norway/Switzerland - let alone one that is MORE favourable. http://www.autonews.com/article/20160624/COPY01/306249977/automakers-call-for-tariff-free-trade-between-uk-and-eu-after-brexitCarmakers just for starters. I dare say Germany, that exports large amounts of cars to the UK, would be looking to cut a favourable deal regards cars. I guess the UK exports stuff to Germany to so there'll be some to-ing and fro-ing but it's not a lay down misere to say they'll be worse off. They may but they may not.
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Benjamin wrote:Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Yes and they can take a less favourable trade deal in exchange and suffer a GDP per capita hit as grazorblade has suggested. Pure conjecture on your part. Do you know for sure they'll do less favourable trade deals? It's difficult to negotiate a better deal than you had, when you are in a weaker position than you were previously in. As for Norway and Switzerland - should be noted that both negotiated to enter the common market on friendly terms with the EU, both were moving TOWARD to larger party - which the larger party will always welcome. The UK, on the other hand, will be negotiating with a larger party which they are attempting to disconnect from, moving away, on negative terms. There's no reason for the EU to cut the UK a favourable deal as they did with Norway/Switzerland - let alone one that is MORE favourable. There's an element of conjecture. It might not be the doomsday scenario that some are predicting. But I think Benjamin is right. The experts seem to think the situation won't be analogous to that of Norway or Switzerland. Quite simply, Britain ought never to have entered the EU in the first place and simply worked one of those kind of deals from the outset.
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Toughlove wrote:quickflick wrote:Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:
It doesn't.
It's just embarrassing that a country like Australia holds on to the apron strings.
100% correct and QF it makes no difference what arguments you throw up. You can talk about it all day, and you probabbly will but the fact is a foreign monarch is Australia's head of State. A position no Australian EVER can aspire to. Ceremonial or not that is a joke. No. A foreign monarch is Queen of Australia. That's not the same thing as "head of state". No Australian can aspire to a position that is non-existent. My words some people get emotional about this. Either she has too much influence, something you seem to argue ad nauseum, in which case she should go or.... She has no influence at all, something you also seem to argue ad nauseum, in which case she should go. Whoosh. The sound of the point flying miles over your head.
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Toughlove wrote:Benjamin wrote:Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Yes and they can take a less favourable trade deal in exchange and suffer a GDP per capita hit as grazorblade has suggested. Pure conjecture on your part. Do you know for sure they'll do less favourable trade deals? It's difficult to negotiate a better deal than you had, when you are in a weaker position than you were previously in. As for Norway and Switzerland - should be noted that both negotiated to enter the common market on friendly terms with the EU, both were moving TOWARD to larger party - which the larger party will always welcome. The UK, on the other hand, will be negotiating with a larger party which they are attempting to disconnect from, moving away, on negative terms. There's no reason for the EU to cut the UK a favourable deal as they did with Norway/Switzerland - let alone one that is MORE favourable. http://www.autonews.com/article/20160624/COPY01/306249977/automakers-call-for-tariff-free-trade-between-uk-and-eu-after-brexitCarmakers just for starters. I dare say Germany, that exports large amounts of cars to the UK, would be looking to cut a favourable deal regards cars. I guess the UK exports stuff to Germany to so there'll be some to-ing and fro-ing but it's not a lay down misere to say they'll be worse off. They may but they may not. There'll be some winners and some losers in the economy, for that there is no doubt. No one actually knows what is going to happen, logic would suggest that overall they cannot possibly better off in terms of trade with the EU for the reasons Benjamin outlined. They'll need to find other ways if they want to grow the economy, maybe that'll happen but I have my doubts. FTA deals with Australia, NZ and Canada are a drop in the ocean compared to the EU.
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Toughlove wrote:grazorblade wrote:Th right amount of immigration is a technical issue no doubt and you could argue for more or less in any given situation but this selected part definitely comes across as racist Toughlove wrote:
You can call them racists if you want but when I visit Paris or Vienna I want to see French and Austrian people not a mishmash of third world immigrants picked up and dumped into a country lock stock and barrel. Standing around in some parts of Paris or the UK you'd be lucky to work out whether you were in said country or some part of Africa or the middle east.
If the English are 'racist' because they want England to remain 'English' and .... then if I were English that's a label I wouldn't mind wearing.
As for migrants taking someones job this doesn't happen. The reason is the same reason as having more babies doesn't mean your children are taking peoples jobs. Jobs as a percentage of the population is constant and depends on other factors. This is why economists say immigrants create as many jobs as they take They can put downward pressure on wages in a particular sector if they disproportionately belong to a particular sector (in this case the low skill sector) and that is definitely an issue on the positive immigration helps with a demographic problem which every rich country is facing right now where a large retiring baby boomer population is going to be supported by not enough young people. Even if half of migrants ended up on welfare (a ridiculous figure to make a point) they still on net reduce the burden on the welfare state because of the wests large problems with agin demographics. Finally brittish immigration is actually quite moderate - 40th in the world with a net migration rate of about 0.25% (immigrants-emmigrants) compared to 0.5% for australia or 2% for qatar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate That's fine mate call me racist. If I visit Switzerland or Norway I want to visit a country that looks like Switzerland or Norway not Morocco, Syria or the Sudan. We're a multicultural country and that's fine. I'm a product of immigrants myself so it doesn't phase me in Australia. Europe is a different matter though. Diddums. What a shame having to see so many people with brown skin in culturally immense European cities. The authorities should hide them away whenever you visit just to make you happy.
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As a British passport holder, i have mixed feelings about this news. Seeing the forum champagne socialists having a collective meltdown is a positive though. 
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Quote:Cornwall votes for Brexit and then pleads to keep EU fundingCornwall recieves millions of pounds in EU subsidies every year The Cornish council has issued a plea for “protection” following the United Kingdom’s vote to leave the European Union. Cornwall, which has a poor economy and as such has received millions of pounds in subsidies from the EU each year for over a decade, voted decisively to Leave. But this money is now threatened following the severing of ties with the EU. John Pollard, the leader of Cornwall council said: “Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations. “We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years.” European money has helped develop infrastructure, universities and broadband internet in the county. From 2007 to 2013, €654m was given to pay for these projects, the Financial Times reported. .... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:13:27 PM
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Quote:Brexit big blow to UK science, say top British scientistsLeave vote sparks concerns over losing £1bn a year in funding and closing doors on researchers from EU countries Senior scientists in Britain have reacted with dismay to the nation’s collective decision to walk away from a European Union that hands them nearly £1bn a year for research, and sends to their laboratories some of the most brilliant minds in the world. The leave vote prompted immediate concerns for the future of staff and students from non-UK member states already at work in Britain, and the impact the result could have on the ability of leading institutions to attract the best overseas talent to the country. Paul Boyle, vice-chancellor of Leicester University, called the “shocking result” a “dark day for UK science” and called for every effort to be made to counter any impression that the UK had become less welcoming to international researchers. He called on the science community to start campaigning immediately to protect the science budget. ... https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jun/24/brexit-big-blow-to-uk-science-say-top-british-scientists
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Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) ) Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:20:47 PM
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quickflick wrote:Toughlove wrote:quickflick wrote:Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:
It doesn't.
It's just embarrassing that a country like Australia holds on to the apron strings.
100% correct and QF it makes no difference what arguments you throw up. You can talk about it all day, and you probabbly will but the fact is a foreign monarch is Australia's head of State. A position no Australian EVER can aspire to. Ceremonial or not that is a joke. No. A foreign monarch is Queen of Australia. That's not the same thing as "head of state". No Australian can aspire to a position that is non-existent. My words some people get emotional about this. Either she has too much influence, something you seem to argue ad nauseum, in which case she should go or.... She has no influence at all, something you also seem to argue ad nauseum, in which case she should go. Whoosh. The sound of the point flying miles over your head. Good one. Though I should thank my lucky stars I didn't have to wade through a dissertation so that's a plus. It's not me arguing both points of view giving reasons why not and why we should retain the monarchy. You've argued both but you fail to see the contradiction you are presenting. edit to add 'not' after 'why'. Edited by toughlove: 25/6/2016 07:28:14 PM
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mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) )
Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:20:47 PM What makes your opinion more valid than anyone else that voted? Obviously there were for and against argument.
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Les Gock wrote:As a British passport holder, i have mixed feelings about this news. Seeing the forum champagne socialists having a collective meltdown is a positive though. It is brilliant. Particularly as most of them haven't been to Europe anytime recently.
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Toughlove wrote:quickflick wrote:Toughlove wrote:quickflick wrote:Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:
It doesn't.
It's just embarrassing that a country like Australia holds on to the apron strings.
100% correct and QF it makes no difference what arguments you throw up. You can talk about it all day, and you probabbly will but the fact is a foreign monarch is Australia's head of State. A position no Australian EVER can aspire to. Ceremonial or not that is a joke. No. A foreign monarch is Queen of Australia. That's not the same thing as "head of state". No Australian can aspire to a position that is non-existent. My words some people get emotional about this. Either she has too much influence, something you seem to argue ad nauseum, in which case she should go or.... She has no influence at all, something you also seem to argue ad nauseum, in which case she should go. Whoosh. The sound of the point flying miles over your head. Good one. Though I should thank my lucky stars I didn't have to wade through a dissertation so that's a plus. It's not me arguing both points of view giving reasons why and why we should retain the monarchy. You've argued both but you fail to see the contradiction you are presenting. Yeah his "filibuster" style might help him wear people out on an argument but he has definitely done contradicted himself on this occasion and it didn't go over your head. Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:30:19 PM
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quickflick wrote:Toughlove wrote:grazorblade wrote:Th right amount of immigration is a technical issue no doubt and you could argue for more or less in any given situation but this selected part definitely comes across as racist Toughlove wrote:
You can call them racists if you want but when I visit Paris or Vienna I want to see French and Austrian people not a mishmash of third world immigrants picked up and dumped into a country lock stock and barrel. Standing around in some parts of Paris or the UK you'd be lucky to work out whether you were in said country or some part of Africa or the middle east.
If the English are 'racist' because they want England to remain 'English' and .... then if I were English that's a label I wouldn't mind wearing.
As for migrants taking someones job this doesn't happen. The reason is the same reason as having more babies doesn't mean your children are taking peoples jobs. Jobs as a percentage of the population is constant and depends on other factors. This is why economists say immigrants create as many jobs as they take They can put downward pressure on wages in a particular sector if they disproportionately belong to a particular sector (in this case the low skill sector) and that is definitely an issue on the positive immigration helps with a demographic problem which every rich country is facing right now where a large retiring baby boomer population is going to be supported by not enough young people. Even if half of migrants ended up on welfare (a ridiculous figure to make a point) they still on net reduce the burden on the welfare state because of the wests large problems with agin demographics. Finally brittish immigration is actually quite moderate - 40th in the world with a net migration rate of about 0.25% (immigrants-emmigrants) compared to 0.5% for australia or 2% for qatar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate That's fine mate call me racist. If I visit Switzerland or Norway I want to visit a country that looks like Switzerland or Norway not Morocco, Syria or the Sudan. We're a multicultural country and that's fine. I'm a product of immigrants myself so it doesn't phase me in Australia. Europe is a different matter though. Diddums. What a shame having to see so many people with brown skin in culturally immense European cities. The authorities should hide them away whenever you visit just to make you happy. You love Sweden right? 9 million Swedes is the roundabout population right. Imagine if 5 million African immigrants and refugees decided to settle in Sweden? Pretend for a minute they're fully funded and there's no nett impost on the economy or society in general. Happy with that are you? And don't bullshit me just answer the question. Go on then.
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Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) ) What makes your opinion more valid than anyone else that voted? Obviously there were for and against argument. Obviously, I believe my opinion is correct otherwise it wouldn't be my opinion. That doesn't mean other people can't have other opinions. Don't think I've censored anyone here or attacked them personally. In fact I'm not sure why you're asking me this question?
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mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) I Definitely am having a meltdown but I always find it incorrect when people can vote en masse against what I believe should be their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) )
Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:20:47 PM You are having a meltdown :lol: I've fixed the above for you btw to give people a bit more clarity of what you are about. Speaking in riddles only insults people intelligence :lol: You will thank me for this one day comrade :lol: Edited by Socawho: 25/6/2016 07:38:31 PMEdited by Socawho: 25/6/2016 07:39:15 PM
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) ) You are having a meltdown :lol: You're going to have to do a lot better than you have been :lol: Nice edit but still way off :lol: Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:40:41 PM
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) ) You are having a meltdown :lol: You're going to have to do a lot better than you have been :lol: [-o< :lol:
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quickflick wrote:Benjamin wrote:Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Yes and they can take a less favourable trade deal in exchange and suffer a GDP per capita hit as grazorblade has suggested. Pure conjecture on your part. Do you know for sure they'll do less favourable trade deals? It's difficult to negotiate a better deal than you had, when you are in a weaker position than you were previously in. As for Norway and Switzerland - should be noted that both negotiated to enter the common market on friendly terms with the EU, both were moving TOWARD to larger party - which the larger party will always welcome. The UK, on the other hand, will be negotiating with a larger party which they are attempting to disconnect from, moving away, on negative terms. There's no reason for the EU to cut the UK a favourable deal as they did with Norway/Switzerland - let alone one that is MORE favourable. There's an element of conjecture. It might not be the doomsday scenario that some are predicting. But I think Benjamin is right. The experts seem to think the situation won't be analogous to that of Norway or Switzerland. Quite simply, Britain ought never to have entered the EU in the first place and simply worked one of those kind of deals from the outset. It made sense to join when it was the EEC then it ballooned into this giant bureaucratic clusterfuck. It's no wonder they wanted out. Have you seen some of the ridiculous EU regulations?
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) ) You are having a meltdown :lol: You're going to have to do a lot better than you have been :lol: Nice edit but still way off :lol: Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:40:41 PM So what are these interests that you think people have given away for voting out ofthe EU. A bit rich of you tell them what their interests are considering you don't even live there right? :-k Edited by Socawho: 25/6/2016 07:43:53 PM
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mcjules wrote:Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) ) What makes your opinion more valid than anyone else that voted? Obviously there were for and against argument. Obviously, I believe my opinion is correct otherwise it wouldn't be my opinion. That doesn't mean other people can't have other opinions. Don't think I've censored anyone here or attacked them personally. In fact I'm not sure why you're asking me this question? Just interested that was all. Not having a go. You said they've voted against their own interests. I was curious as to why you thought that. FWIW I am unsure if it's a good or bad thing. I can see good and bad arguments for both sides for either option. Time will definitely tell here.
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) ) You are having a meltdown :lol: You're going to have to do a lot better than you have been :lol: Nice edit but still way off :lol: Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:40:41 PM So what are these interests that you think people have given away for voting out ofthe EU. A bit rich of you tell them what their interests are considering you don't even live there right? :-k I posted an article only a page ago of an example. There are at least half a dozen others have given. I'm not an expert (and have never claimed to be) but there are plenty of them that have this view. Anti-intellectualism is rife amongst a certain set on this forum so I know that means very little but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) )
Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:20:47 PM What makes your opinion more valid than anyone else that voted? Obviously there were for and against argument. Nothing. And he's not claiming his opinion is more valid. If anything, mcjules, you'd probably claim your opinion is far less valid than those who have to live with the decision, right? Similarly, my mother, a British passport-holder (but not really British), despite being aghast at this (but because she's empathetic to a fault) acknowledges she doesn't have a horse in the race. Better still. My step-mother, who's actually English and only moved to Aus as an adult, acknowledges this doesn't affect her as she will probably always live in Aus (although it affects her family living there). So she realises her opinion is less valid than that of others. It doesn't make any of them, or mcjules, less knowledgeable than those who have a dog in this particular fight. Going by my fb feed, they probably know more than those involved. I think it's rough to suggest that because somebody is being particularly vocal, they're claiming their opinion is more valid than others. It may be more informed, but that's another matter.
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mcjules wrote:Quote:Brexit big blow to UK science, say top British scientistsLeave vote sparks concerns over losing £1bn a year in funding and closing doors on researchers from EU countries Senior scientists in Britain have reacted with dismay to the nation’s collective decision to walk away from a European Union that hands them nearly £1bn a year for research, and sends to their laboratories some of the most brilliant minds in the world. The leave vote prompted immediate concerns for the future of staff and students from non-UK member states already at work in Britain, and the impact the result could have on the ability of leading institutions to attract the best overseas talent to the country. Paul Boyle, vice-chancellor of Leicester University, called the “shocking result” a “dark day for UK science” and called for every effort to be made to counter any impression that the UK had become less welcoming to international researchers. He called on the science community to start campaigning immediately to protect the science budget. ... https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jun/24/brexit-big-blow-to-uk-science-say-top-british-scientists I honestly can't see this playing out. In the main scientists are 'citizens of the world' and I hardly think not being part of an economic union will effect them. (Funding aside.) Free exchange of ideas and research is something scientists pride themselves on and go out of their way to facilitate.
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quickflick wrote:Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) )
Edited by mcjules: 25/6/2016 07:20:47 PM What makes your opinion more valid than anyone else that voted? Obviously there were for and against argument. Nothing. And he's not claiming his opinion is more valid. If anything, mcjules, you'd probably claim your opinion is far less valid than those who have to live with the decision, right? Similarly, my mother, a British passport-holder (but not really British), despite being aghast at this (but because she's empathetic to a fault) acknowledges she doesn't have a horse in the race. Better still. My step-mother, who's actually English and only moved to Aus as an adult, acknowledges this doesn't affect her as she will probably always live in Aus (although it affects her family living there). So she realises her opinion is less valid than that of others. It doesn't make any of them, or mcjules, less knowledgeable than those who have a dog in this particular fight. Going by my fb feed, they probably know more than those involved. I think it's rough to suggest that because somebody is being particularly vocal, they're claiming their opinion is more valid than others. It may be more informed, but that's another matter. If you say I think it's a bad idea then that's OK. If you say that's a bad idea because of XYZ then, if queried, you should be able to explain XYZ. All I did is ask why. That was all.
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How's your essay on the immigration of 5 million Africans moving to Sweden going?
Can we expect to see something tonight?
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Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:Am an EU passport holder but would never work in that dreary place (sorry to any brits reading this, I think you're fine people just not the weather :lol:) Definitely not having a meltdown but I always find it fascinating when people can vote en masse against their interests (as people will here on July 2 but that's another story ;) ) What makes your opinion more valid than anyone else that voted? Obviously there were for and against argument. Obviously, I believe my opinion is correct otherwise it wouldn't be my opinion. That doesn't mean other people can't have other opinions. Don't think I've censored anyone here or attacked them personally. In fact I'm not sure why you're asking me this question? Just interested that was all. Not having a go. You said they've voted against their own interests. I was curious as to why you thought that. FWIW I am unsure if it's a good or bad thing. I can see good and bad arguments for both sides for either option. Time will definitely tell here. Agreed and yes there are issues with the EU, how it's structured and it's lack of engagement with member states. The Euro is the biggest problem for me but that didn't apply for them. A remain vote and being at the negotiating table in my opinion to be able to enact reform would have been far more beneficial to them.
Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here
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