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Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:quickflick wrote:
It might not be that simple, mcjules.
It appears that Spain and France, potentially among others, won't allow the EU to negotiate with Scotland while they are part of the UK. They say that Scotland hasn't the power.
Now, you're quite right that there will likely be another Scottish referendum in which case Scotland might become an independent nation.
Only then is there any chance that Scotland will be able to negotiate re-entry to the EU. But that will take a while to happen.
And, even then, there's no guarantee that they'll be allowed back. You see Spain is opposed to Scottish independence because it doesn't want to send out encouraging messages to Catalonian separatists. So Spain may well act to punish Scotland, too, even if they have already gotten their independence.
The whole thing is a mess.
Yeah - I think your comment is a reasonable position. Whereas some others are making sweeping absolutist comments. I personally think Spain is making noises because they fear Scotland leaving the UK. But I think their rhetoric will change if and when Scotland actually leave the UK. However, obviously this is just my opinion. The biggest issue I think that will come up with the Brexit divorce is this: The EU has made it very clear that access to the single market ONLY comes with an agreement to free movement of people. One of the main reasons people voted leave was over concerns related to migrants. So I think this will be a major point of contention over the coming months. what happening...there the unelected European commission and European MEP taking a hard fixed line, and then there the European heads of state (countries PM and president) unelected European commission, want a EU super state, they want to do away with the power of the European heads of state. they want to do away with state army and Police, and control it all .....unelected European commission want to take a very hard line on the UK. they want to show other countries what will happen when the UK leaves but it's the European heads of state (countries PM and president) who have to deal with what to do with the 3 million plus EU citizen now living in the UK, what do when 1m maybe 2m plus mostly Eastern European EU citizen coming back to the EU work forces also, the UK has a massive €80 billion trade deficit with the EU, placing trade tariff on UK will cost Germany massive jobs, as the EU can't move fast enough to make new trade agreements to cover this loss...it the European heads of state who will pay the prices and start losing there job when this starts factor no body talking about UK is not Norway....the UK is one of 5 permanent UN security council members, this carry very real power that the EU commission will never have, if the UK start using this power, they can make the EU life very different UK military is still the biggest most powerfully military in Europe...when you look at the fact Australia spends $1000 USD per person on it's military , and see every European country spend less per person, do you understand how weak they are...UK military along with France, are the only military that can respond the idea that the EU countries can hit the UK hard on trade, but also then want the UK to pay to help protect the East Europe , and help with the UN,,,,hmmm EU you can have there free movement of peoples principle, but that prices will be job, and that prices will to double spending on the military (which would still be 30% less then what Australia spends per person on Australia military) Some EU countries are very strong militarily. Greece, Italy, Spain, and France to name just a few. spending per cap Australia $1000 USd France $660 USD Italy $378 USD Greece $320 USD Spain $230 USD
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adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:quickflick wrote:
It might not be that simple, mcjules.
It appears that Spain and France, potentially among others, won't allow the EU to negotiate with Scotland while they are part of the UK. They say that Scotland hasn't the power.
Now, you're quite right that there will likely be another Scottish referendum in which case Scotland might become an independent nation.
Only then is there any chance that Scotland will be able to negotiate re-entry to the EU. But that will take a while to happen.
And, even then, there's no guarantee that they'll be allowed back. You see Spain is opposed to Scottish independence because it doesn't want to send out encouraging messages to Catalonian separatists. So Spain may well act to punish Scotland, too, even if they have already gotten their independence.
The whole thing is a mess.
Yeah - I think your comment is a reasonable position. Whereas some others are making sweeping absolutist comments. I personally think Spain is making noises because they fear Scotland leaving the UK. But I think their rhetoric will change if and when Scotland actually leave the UK. However, obviously this is just my opinion. The biggest issue I think that will come up with the Brexit divorce is this: The EU has made it very clear that access to the single market ONLY comes with an agreement to free movement of people. One of the main reasons people voted leave was over concerns related to migrants. So I think this will be a major point of contention over the coming months. what happening...there the unelected European commission and European MEP taking a hard fixed line, and then there the European heads of state (countries PM and president) unelected European commission, want a EU super state, they want to do away with the power of the European heads of state. they want to do away with state army and Police, and control it all .....unelected European commission want to take a very hard line on the UK. they want to show other countries what will happen when the UK leaves but it's the European heads of state (countries PM and president) who have to deal with what to do with the 3 million plus EU citizen now living in the UK, what do when 1m maybe 2m plus mostly Eastern European EU citizen coming back to the EU work forces also, the UK has a massive €80 billion trade deficit with the EU, placing trade tariff on UK will cost Germany massive jobs, as the EU can't move fast enough to make new trade agreements to cover this loss...it the European heads of state who will pay the prices and start losing there job when this starts factor no body talking about UK is not Norway....the UK is one of 5 permanent UN security council members, this carry very real power that the EU commission will never have, if the UK start using this power, they can make the EU life very different UK military is still the biggest most powerfully military in Europe...when you look at the fact Australia spends $1000 USD per person on it's military , and see every European country spend less per person, do you understand how weak they are...UK military along with France, are the only military that can respond the idea that the EU countries can hit the UK hard on trade, but also then want the UK to pay to help protect the East Europe , and help with the UN,,,,hmmm EU you can have there free movement of peoples principle, but that prices will be job, and that prices will to double spending on the military (which would still be 30% less then what Australia spends per person on Australia military) Some EU countries are very strong militarily. Greece, Italy, Spain, and France to name just a few. spending per cap Australia $1000 USd France $660 USD Italy $378 USD Greece $320 USD Spain $230 USD That is only because Greece, Italy and Spain has compulsory conscription and the equipment is divided by the total sum. However, the most lethally armed soldiers in the world are actually the Isarelis and the Cyprus National Guard. Australia only has 57,000 total in its armed forces, but they do not compare to France, Greece, or Italy.
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Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:quickflick wrote:
It might not be that simple, mcjules.
It appears that Spain and France, potentially among others, won't allow the EU to negotiate with Scotland while they are part of the UK. They say that Scotland hasn't the power.
Now, you're quite right that there will likely be another Scottish referendum in which case Scotland might become an independent nation.
Only then is there any chance that Scotland will be able to negotiate re-entry to the EU. But that will take a while to happen.
And, even then, there's no guarantee that they'll be allowed back. You see Spain is opposed to Scottish independence because it doesn't want to send out encouraging messages to Catalonian separatists. So Spain may well act to punish Scotland, too, even if they have already gotten their independence.
The whole thing is a mess.
Yeah - I think your comment is a reasonable position. Whereas some others are making sweeping absolutist comments. I personally think Spain is making noises because they fear Scotland leaving the UK. But I think their rhetoric will change if and when Scotland actually leave the UK. However, obviously this is just my opinion. The biggest issue I think that will come up with the Brexit divorce is this: The EU has made it very clear that access to the single market ONLY comes with an agreement to free movement of people. One of the main reasons people voted leave was over concerns related to migrants. So I think this will be a major point of contention over the coming months. what happening...there the unelected European commission and European MEP taking a hard fixed line, and then there the European heads of state (countries PM and president) unelected European commission, want a EU super state, they want to do away with the power of the European heads of state. they want to do away with state army and Police, and control it all .....unelected European commission want to take a very hard line on the UK. they want to show other countries what will happen when the UK leaves but it's the European heads of state (countries PM and president) who have to deal with what to do with the 3 million plus EU citizen now living in the UK, what do when 1m maybe 2m plus mostly Eastern European EU citizen coming back to the EU work forces also, the UK has a massive €80 billion trade deficit with the EU, placing trade tariff on UK will cost Germany massive jobs, as the EU can't move fast enough to make new trade agreements to cover this loss...it the European heads of state who will pay the prices and start losing there job when this starts factor no body talking about UK is not Norway....the UK is one of 5 permanent UN security council members, this carry very real power that the EU commission will never have, if the UK start using this power, they can make the EU life very different UK military is still the biggest most powerfully military in Europe...when you look at the fact Australia spends $1000 USD per person on it's military , and see every European country spend less per person, do you understand how weak they are...UK military along with France, are the only military that can respond the idea that the EU countries can hit the UK hard on trade, but also then want the UK to pay to help protect the East Europe , and help with the UN,,,,hmmm EU you can have there free movement of peoples principle, but that prices will be job, and that prices will to double spending on the military (which would still be 30% less then what Australia spends per person on Australia military) Some EU countries are very strong militarily. Greece, Italy, Spain, and France to name just a few. spending per cap Australia $1000 USd France $660 USD Italy $378 USD Greece $320 USD Spain $230 USD That is only because Greece, Italy and Spain has compulsory conscription and the equipment is divided by the total sum. However, the most lethally armed soldiers in the world are actually the Isarelis and the Cyprus National Guard. Australia only has 57,000 total in its armed forces, but they do not compare to France, Greece, or Italy. no it not, it base on total amount spend by military divided by Population size...all those countries who have conscription (and the equipment ) still come under military spending,,,, National Gendarmerie of France come under military, even with them doing a lot of the Police work Australia military spend 7x that of Greece, it spends about the same as Italy and half that of France
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Italy hasn't had compulsory military service for at least 10 years either.
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adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:quickflick wrote:
It might not be that simple, mcjules.
It appears that Spain and France, potentially among others, won't allow the EU to negotiate with Scotland while they are part of the UK. They say that Scotland hasn't the power.
Now, you're quite right that there will likely be another Scottish referendum in which case Scotland might become an independent nation.
Only then is there any chance that Scotland will be able to negotiate re-entry to the EU. But that will take a while to happen.
And, even then, there's no guarantee that they'll be allowed back. You see Spain is opposed to Scottish independence because it doesn't want to send out encouraging messages to Catalonian separatists. So Spain may well act to punish Scotland, too, even if they have already gotten their independence.
The whole thing is a mess.
Yeah - I think your comment is a reasonable position. Whereas some others are making sweeping absolutist comments. I personally think Spain is making noises because they fear Scotland leaving the UK. But I think their rhetoric will change if and when Scotland actually leave the UK. However, obviously this is just my opinion. The biggest issue I think that will come up with the Brexit divorce is this: The EU has made it very clear that access to the single market ONLY comes with an agreement to free movement of people. One of the main reasons people voted leave was over concerns related to migrants. So I think this will be a major point of contention over the coming months. what happening...there the unelected European commission and European MEP taking a hard fixed line, and then there the European heads of state (countries PM and president) unelected European commission, want a EU super state, they want to do away with the power of the European heads of state. they want to do away with state army and Police, and control it all .....unelected European commission want to take a very hard line on the UK. they want to show other countries what will happen when the UK leaves but it's the European heads of state (countries PM and president) who have to deal with what to do with the 3 million plus EU citizen now living in the UK, what do when 1m maybe 2m plus mostly Eastern European EU citizen coming back to the EU work forces also, the UK has a massive €80 billion trade deficit with the EU, placing trade tariff on UK will cost Germany massive jobs, as the EU can't move fast enough to make new trade agreements to cover this loss...it the European heads of state who will pay the prices and start losing there job when this starts factor no body talking about UK is not Norway....the UK is one of 5 permanent UN security council members, this carry very real power that the EU commission will never have, if the UK start using this power, they can make the EU life very different UK military is still the biggest most powerfully military in Europe...when you look at the fact Australia spends $1000 USD per person on it's military , and see every European country spend less per person, do you understand how weak they are...UK military along with France, are the only military that can respond the idea that the EU countries can hit the UK hard on trade, but also then want the UK to pay to help protect the East Europe , and help with the UN,,,,hmmm EU you can have there free movement of peoples principle, but that prices will be job, and that prices will to double spending on the military (which would still be 30% less then what Australia spends per person on Australia military) Some EU countries are very strong militarily. Greece, Italy, Spain, and France to name just a few. spending per cap Australia $1000 USd France $660 USD Italy $378 USD Greece $320 USD Spain $230 USD That is only because Greece, Italy and Spain has compulsory conscription and the equipment is divided by the total sum. However, the most lethally armed soldiers in the world are actually the Isarelis and the Cyprus National Guard. Australia only has 57,000 total in its armed forces, but they do not compare to France, Greece, or Italy. no it not, it base on total amount spend by military divided by Population size...all those countries who have conscription (and the equipment ) still come under military spending,,,, National Gendarmerie of France come under military, even with them doing a lot of the Police work Australia military spend 7x that of Greece, it spends about the same as Italy and half that of France And it takes into consideration things like Submarines, and F-35s that Australia pays too much for because they want to build in Australia. For instance, you can get off the shelf at half the price. But really sorry, but as far as capability is concerned, Australia doesn't come close to some of these EU countries which have huge military.
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mcjules wrote:Italy hasn't had compulsory military service for at least 10 years either. As far as I know, Italy has a pretty powerful military that is not to be messed with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Armed_ForcesSame with Greece, which has more Tanks, Artilery, Aircraft, Ships, and Submarines that the British Forces and more than France I believe. They have compulsory military service. http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=greeceAnyway, the point is, Greece has a very strong military, which is the nation's last line of defence if they have an apocalyptic economic event post GREXIT. The Military top brass are also among the elites. It is a very strong institution which can be called upon to lock the country down if need be from all the Bankers who want to steal the Nation's assets paid for and owned by the people. This is what the EU and IMF have been after all along. They want Greece, italy, Spain et al to sell and privatise everything. They black mail these countries to achieve it to. But then look at who is buying the assets for a song! One day, you guys will see Globalism for what it really is. It is there so that the elites can control countries, rip them off, and to create cheap labour sources. If there is not enough employment, the Germans can get plenty of Eastern migrants to work in the car factories and earn a measley 50 Euros per day. In a few years, people will be celebrating BREXIT as the beginning of the end for all of the EU. The day the little guy defeated the Goliath. I love Britain for what they did. I thank them profusely for their courage and conviction. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 04:51:30 PM
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Aikhme wrote:mcjules wrote:Italy hasn't had compulsory military service for at least 10 years either. As far as I know, Italy has a pretty powerful military that is not to be messed with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Armed_ForcesSame with Greece, which has more Tanks, Artilery, Aircraft, Ships, and Submarines that the British Forces and more than France I believe. They have compulsory military service. http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=greeceAnyway, the point is, Greece has a very strong military, which is the nation's last line of defence if they have an apocalyptic economic event post GREXIT. The Military top brass are also among the elites. It is a very strong institution which can be called upon to lock the country down if need be from all the Bankers who want to steal the Nation's assets paid for and owned by the people. This is what the EU and IMF have been after all along. They want Greece, italy, Spain et al to sell and privatise everything. They black mail these countries to achieve it to. But then look at who is buying the assets for a song! One day, you guys will see Globalism for what it really is. It is there so that the elites can control countries, rip them off, and to create cheap labour sources. If there is not enough employment, the Germans can get plenty of Eastern migrants to work in the car factories and earn a measley 50 Euros per day. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 04:49:53 PM you are mistaking, keeping a Sub built in 1970 going, as having some power today
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adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:mcjules wrote:Italy hasn't had compulsory military service for at least 10 years either. As far as I know, Italy has a pretty powerful military that is not to be messed with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Armed_ForcesSame with Greece, which has more Tanks, Artilery, Aircraft, Ships, and Submarines that the British Forces and more than France I believe. They have compulsory military service. http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=greeceAnyway, the point is, Greece has a very strong military, which is the nation's last line of defence if they have an apocalyptic economic event post GREXIT. The Military top brass are also among the elites. It is a very strong institution which can be called upon to lock the country down if need be from all the Bankers who want to steal the Nation's assets paid for and owned by the people. This is what the EU and IMF have been after all along. They want Greece, italy, Spain et al to sell and privatise everything. They black mail these countries to achieve it to. But then look at who is buying the assets for a song! One day, you guys will see Globalism for what it really is. It is there so that the elites can control countries, rip them off, and to create cheap labour sources. If there is not enough employment, the Germans can get plenty of Eastern migrants to work in the car factories and earn a measley 50 Euros per day. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 04:49:53 PM you are mistaking, keeping a Sub built in 1970 going, as having some power today Greece has brand new Submarines built by Germany's Siemens. Apparently they are state of the art, but a lot more cheaper than the Australian/French boats that will be built in Adelaide. That's because Greece bought off the shelf.   Part of one of the EU bail outs were given to Greece in order to make the final payment for the boats to Germany's Siemans! This is how corrupt the EU is. Bail Greece out so that Germany can finalise a Defence procurement contract. Greece has 8 new boats on order. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 05:08:33 PM
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greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for
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adrtho wrote:greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for That's the last year. Before then, they were one of Europe's and NATOs biggest spender. Don't forget, every Euro is spent on arms. With the Australian and British Military, they pay wages and salaries. In greece you only get cigarrete money and you must serve. Once the economy stabilises, Defence spending will be back up to about 10 billion Euros. Once again, most of this money is used to buy hardware and weapons. Australia's defence budget is mostly wages. In addition, Australia wastes a lot of money. They are ordering 12 submarines for 50 Billion. Greece could buy 50 boats at 1 billion each - type 214 from Siemens which are also thought to be the best conventional submarines on the market. What Australia is doing is subsidizing jobs and in the end they are paying just over 4 billion per boat. A big waste of money. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 07:11:30 PM
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Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for That's the last year. Before then, they were one of Europe's and NATOs biggest spender. Don't forget, every Euro is spent on arms. With the Australian and British Military, they pay wages and salaries. In greece you only get cigarrete money and you must serve. Once the economy stabilises, Defence spending will be back up to about 10 billion Euros. Once again, most of this money is used to buy hardware and weapons. Australia's defence budget is mostly wages. In addition, Australia wastes a lot of money. They are ordering 12 submarines for 50 Billion. Greece could buy 50 boats at 1 billion each - type 214 from Siemens which are also thought to be the best conventional submarines on the market. What Australia is doing is subsidizing jobs and in the end they are paying just over 4 billion per boat. A big waste of money. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 07:11:30 PM ok, greeks are the best , and cyprus national guard = number 1
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adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for That's the last year. Before then, they were one of Europe's and NATOs biggest spender. Don't forget, every Euro is spent on arms. With the Australian and British Military, they pay wages and salaries. In greece you only get cigarrete money and you must serve. Once the economy stabilises, Defence spending will be back up to about 10 billion Euros. Once again, most of this money is used to buy hardware and weapons. Australia's defence budget is mostly wages. In addition, Australia wastes a lot of money. They are ordering 12 submarines for 50 Billion. Greece could buy 50 boats at 1 billion each - type 214 from Siemens which are also thought to be the best conventional submarines on the market. What Australia is doing is subsidizing jobs and in the end they are paying just over 4 billion per boat. A big waste of money. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 07:11:30 PM ok, greeks are the best , and cyprus national guard = number 1 No that is not what I said. They are not the best. When it comes to their military though, they are one of the strongest countries in the world. This isn't me saying this, but NATO who consider Greece an integral part of their chain of command. Greece has spent a lot of money on arms in the last 30 odd years, and not only that, but they conduct military exercises with the Israelis 3 to 4 times a year. Greece has a very strong Navy and Air Force, and its Army has a lot of Armour and Artillery plus great Air Defence. But that is not my point. My point is that the Greek Military is a politically very powerful institution within the country. Every male is a reservist. When fully mobilised, every man between the age of 18 to 55 is a soldier. I have served, and I can tell you we had entire mountains used as Armeries in the event of mobilisation in secret locations. Entire underground depots full of unused Tanks, Guns, Missiles, Howitzers, bombs, explosives, uniforms, helmets just sitting there just in case. Something you would only see in the movies. Also have secret points on majoy highways where there is JETA1 pumping stations to fuel Fighters. It is absolutely massive. Look, I wouldn't get too excited if I were you. Because Greece is not some country anyone could pick a fight with. The Australian Military for instance is unable to fight a war with the Greek Military which is armed to fight an apocalyptic war. Australia is only good for peace operations or small deployments. Not to mention the fact that Greece is America's little love child. The Americans have armed Greece to the teeth. Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 09:47:43 AM
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Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for That's the last year. Before then, they were one of Europe's and NATOs biggest spender. Don't forget, every Euro is spent on arms. With the Australian and British Military, they pay wages and salaries. In greece you only get cigarrete money and you must serve. Once the economy stabilises, Defence spending will be back up to about 10 billion Euros. Once again, most of this money is used to buy hardware and weapons. Australia's defence budget is mostly wages. In addition, Australia wastes a lot of money. They are ordering 12 submarines for 50 Billion. Greece could buy 50 boats at 1 billion each - type 214 from Siemens which are also thought to be the best conventional submarines on the market. What Australia is doing is subsidizing jobs and in the end they are paying just over 4 billion per boat. A big waste of money. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 07:11:30 PM ok, greeks are the best , and cyprus national guard = number 1 No that is not what I said. They are not the best. When it comes to their military though, they are one of the strongest countries in the world. This isn't me saying this, but NATO who consider Greece an integral part of their chain of command. Greece has spent a lot of money on arms in the last 30 odd years, and not only that, but they conduct military exercises with the Israelis 3 to 4 times a year. Greece has a very strong Navy and Air Force, and its Army has a lot of Armour and Artillery plus great Air Defence. But that is not my point. My point is that the Greek Military is a politically very powerful institution within the country. Every male is a reservist. When fully mobilised, every man between the age of 18 to 55 is a soldier. I have served, and I can tell you we had entire mountains used as Armeries in the event of mobilisation in secret locations. Entire underground depots full of unused Tanks, Guns, Missiles, Howitzers, bombs, explosives, uniforms, helmets just sitting there just in case. Something you would only see in the movies. Also have secret points on majoy highways where there is JETA1 pumping stations to fuel Fighters. It is absolutely massive. Look, I wouldn't get too excited if I were you. Because Greece is not some country anyone could pick a fight with. The Australian Military for instance is unable to fight a war with the Greek Military which is armed to fight an apocalyptic war. Australia is only good for peace operations or small deployments. Not to mention the fact that Greece is America's little love child. The Americans have armed Greece to the teeth. Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 09:47:43 AM oh for fuck.... you greeks are so good, you lets the Turks take half your island
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adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for That's the last year. Before then, they were one of Europe's and NATOs biggest spender. Don't forget, every Euro is spent on arms. With the Australian and British Military, they pay wages and salaries. In greece you only get cigarrete money and you must serve. Once the economy stabilises, Defence spending will be back up to about 10 billion Euros. Once again, most of this money is used to buy hardware and weapons. Australia's defence budget is mostly wages. In addition, Australia wastes a lot of money. They are ordering 12 submarines for 50 Billion. Greece could buy 50 boats at 1 billion each - type 214 from Siemens which are also thought to be the best conventional submarines on the market. What Australia is doing is subsidizing jobs and in the end they are paying just over 4 billion per boat. A big waste of money. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 07:11:30 PM ok, greeks are the best , and cyprus national guard = number 1 No that is not what I said. They are not the best. When it comes to their military though, they are one of the strongest countries in the world. This isn't me saying this, but NATO who consider Greece an integral part of their chain of command. Greece has spent a lot of money on arms in the last 30 odd years, and not only that, but they conduct military exercises with the Israelis 3 to 4 times a year. Greece has a very strong Navy and Air Force, and its Army has a lot of Armour and Artillery plus great Air Defence. But that is not my point. My point is that the Greek Military is a politically very powerful institution within the country. Every male is a reservist. When fully mobilised, every man between the age of 18 to 55 is a soldier. I have served, and I can tell you we had entire mountains used as Armeries in the event of mobilisation in secret locations. Entire underground depots full of unused Tanks, Guns, Missiles, Howitzers, bombs, explosives, uniforms, helmets just sitting there just in case. Something you would only see in the movies. Also have secret points on majoy highways where there is JETA1 pumping stations to fuel Fighters. It is absolutely massive. Look, I wouldn't get too excited if I were you. Because Greece is not some country anyone could pick a fight with. The Australian Military for instance is unable to fight a war with the Greek Military which is armed to fight an apocalyptic war. Australia is only good for peace operations or small deployments. Not to mention the fact that Greece is America's little love child. The Americans have armed Greece to the teeth. Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 09:47:43 AM oh for fuck.... you greeks are so good, you lets the Turks take half your island That was Cyprus your talking about and during a Coup. The Greek Military was not on the island, only a decimated Cyprus National Guard. There were only 1100 Greek Troops on the island. In fact, the Greek Military was in cohorts with the Turkish Military. Greece and Turkey wanted double union. Which is the reason why Greece did not send any troops. The Greeks wanted Double Union with Greece and Turkey to the north. Many Cyprus National Guardsmen had their weapons dispossessed by the small Greek Military attachment. When the CNG headed north, the Greek Military were headed south to get out of the way. Sorry, but the Greek Military is a pretty dam strong force. You are just racist or don't like Cypriots or Greeks because they probably ytreated you badly in Cyprus. Yes they don't like easterners very much from places like Romania and Belarus. They call them Gypsies. :cool: Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 12:53:43 PM
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Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for That's the last year. Before then, they were one of Europe's and NATOs biggest spender. Don't forget, every Euro is spent on arms. With the Australian and British Military, they pay wages and salaries. In greece you only get cigarrete money and you must serve. Once the economy stabilises, Defence spending will be back up to about 10 billion Euros. Once again, most of this money is used to buy hardware and weapons. Australia's defence budget is mostly wages. In addition, Australia wastes a lot of money. They are ordering 12 submarines for 50 Billion. Greece could buy 50 boats at 1 billion each - type 214 from Siemens which are also thought to be the best conventional submarines on the market. What Australia is doing is subsidizing jobs and in the end they are paying just over 4 billion per boat. A big waste of money. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 07:11:30 PM ok, greeks are the best , and cyprus national guard = number 1 No that is not what I said. They are not the best. When it comes to their military though, they are one of the strongest countries in the world. This isn't me saying this, but NATO who consider Greece an integral part of their chain of command. Greece has spent a lot of money on arms in the last 30 odd years, and not only that, but they conduct military exercises with the Israelis 3 to 4 times a year. Greece has a very strong Navy and Air Force, and its Army has a lot of Armour and Artillery plus great Air Defence. But that is not my point. My point is that the Greek Military is a politically very powerful institution within the country. Every male is a reservist. When fully mobilised, every man between the age of 18 to 55 is a soldier. I have served, and I can tell you we had entire mountains used as Armeries in the event of mobilisation in secret locations. Entire underground depots full of unused Tanks, Guns, Missiles, Howitzers, bombs, explosives, uniforms, helmets just sitting there just in case. Something you would only see in the movies. Also have secret points on majoy highways where there is JETA1 pumping stations to fuel Fighters. It is absolutely massive. Look, I wouldn't get too excited if I were you. Because Greece is not some country anyone could pick a fight with. The Australian Military for instance is unable to fight a war with the Greek Military which is armed to fight an apocalyptic war. Australia is only good for peace operations or small deployments. Not to mention the fact that Greece is America's little love child. The Americans have armed Greece to the teeth. Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 09:47:43 AM oh for fuck.... you greeks are so good, you lets the Turks take half your island That was Cyprus your talking about and during a Coup. The Greek Military was not on the island, only a decimated Cyprus National Guard. There were only 1100 Greek Troops on the island. In fact, the Greek Military was in cohorts with the Turkish Military. Greece and Turkey wanted double union. Which is the reason why Greece did not send any troops. The Greeks wanted Double Union with Greece and Turkey to the north. Many Cyprus National Guardsmen had their weapons dispossessed by the small Greek Military attachment. When the CNG headed north, the Greek Military were headed south to get out of the way. Sorry, but the Greek Military is a pretty dam strong force. You are just racist or don't like Cypriots or Greeks because they probably ytreated you badly in Cyprus. Yes they don't like easterners very much from places like Romania and Belarus. They call them Gypsies. :cool: Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 12:53:43 PM yeah...that the reason ....can be the only reason yeah, i can only be a racist, of a Romania and Belarus background, which you then tell me are called Gypsies in Cyprus Edited by adrtho: 2/7/2016 01:50:54 PM
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adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for That's the last year. Before then, they were one of Europe's and NATOs biggest spender. Don't forget, every Euro is spent on arms. With the Australian and British Military, they pay wages and salaries. In greece you only get cigarrete money and you must serve. Once the economy stabilises, Defence spending will be back up to about 10 billion Euros. Once again, most of this money is used to buy hardware and weapons. Australia's defence budget is mostly wages. In addition, Australia wastes a lot of money. They are ordering 12 submarines for 50 Billion. Greece could buy 50 boats at 1 billion each - type 214 from Siemens which are also thought to be the best conventional submarines on the market. What Australia is doing is subsidizing jobs and in the end they are paying just over 4 billion per boat. A big waste of money. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 07:11:30 PM ok, greeks are the best , and cyprus national guard = number 1 No that is not what I said. They are not the best. When it comes to their military though, they are one of the strongest countries in the world. This isn't me saying this, but NATO who consider Greece an integral part of their chain of command. Greece has spent a lot of money on arms in the last 30 odd years, and not only that, but they conduct military exercises with the Israelis 3 to 4 times a year. Greece has a very strong Navy and Air Force, and its Army has a lot of Armour and Artillery plus great Air Defence. But that is not my point. My point is that the Greek Military is a politically very powerful institution within the country. Every male is a reservist. When fully mobilised, every man between the age of 18 to 55 is a soldier. I have served, and I can tell you we had entire mountains used as Armeries in the event of mobilisation in secret locations. Entire underground depots full of unused Tanks, Guns, Missiles, Howitzers, bombs, explosives, uniforms, helmets just sitting there just in case. Something you would only see in the movies. Also have secret points on majoy highways where there is JETA1 pumping stations to fuel Fighters. It is absolutely massive. Look, I wouldn't get too excited if I were you. Because Greece is not some country anyone could pick a fight with. The Australian Military for instance is unable to fight a war with the Greek Military which is armed to fight an apocalyptic war. Australia is only good for peace operations or small deployments. Not to mention the fact that Greece is America's little love child. The Americans have armed Greece to the teeth. Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 09:47:43 AM oh for fuck.... you greeks are so good, you lets the Turks take half your island That was Cyprus your talking about and during a Coup. The Greek Military was not on the island, only a decimated Cyprus National Guard. There were only 1100 Greek Troops on the island. In fact, the Greek Military was in cohorts with the Turkish Military. Greece and Turkey wanted double union. Which is the reason why Greece did not send any troops. The Greeks wanted Double Union with Greece and Turkey to the north. Many Cyprus National Guardsmen had their weapons dispossessed by the small Greek Military attachment. When the CNG headed north, the Greek Military were headed south to get out of the way. Sorry, but the Greek Military is a pretty dam strong force. You are just racist or don't like Cypriots or Greeks because they probably ytreated you badly in Cyprus. Yes they don't like easterners very much from places like Romania and Belarus. They call them Gypsies. :cool: Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 12:53:43 PM yeah...that the reason ....can be the only reason yeah, i can only be a racist, of a Romania and Belarus background, which you then tell me are called Gypsies in Cyprus Edited by adrtho: 2/7/2016 01:50:54 PM Wrong again. I know English is not your first language. I said you got a chip on your shoulder because you must have been treated real bad in Cyprus because WE are racist! :cool: I don't deny or live in denial.
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Michael Gove ffs, absolute turd of a bloke. Sturgeon is going to eat this fucking weed alive.
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Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:Aikhme wrote:adrtho wrote:greece spend about $3.3 billion a year military....and they get the military they pay for That's the last year. Before then, they were one of Europe's and NATOs biggest spender. Don't forget, every Euro is spent on arms. With the Australian and British Military, they pay wages and salaries. In greece you only get cigarrete money and you must serve. Once the economy stabilises, Defence spending will be back up to about 10 billion Euros. Once again, most of this money is used to buy hardware and weapons. Australia's defence budget is mostly wages. In addition, Australia wastes a lot of money. They are ordering 12 submarines for 50 Billion. Greece could buy 50 boats at 1 billion each - type 214 from Siemens which are also thought to be the best conventional submarines on the market. What Australia is doing is subsidizing jobs and in the end they are paying just over 4 billion per boat. A big waste of money. Edited by Aikhme: 1/7/2016 07:11:30 PM ok, greeks are the best , and cyprus national guard = number 1 No that is not what I said. They are not the best. When it comes to their military though, they are one of the strongest countries in the world. This isn't me saying this, but NATO who consider Greece an integral part of their chain of command. Greece has spent a lot of money on arms in the last 30 odd years, and not only that, but they conduct military exercises with the Israelis 3 to 4 times a year. Greece has a very strong Navy and Air Force, and its Army has a lot of Armour and Artillery plus great Air Defence. But that is not my point. My point is that the Greek Military is a politically very powerful institution within the country. Every male is a reservist. When fully mobilised, every man between the age of 18 to 55 is a soldier. I have served, and I can tell you we had entire mountains used as Armeries in the event of mobilisation in secret locations. Entire underground depots full of unused Tanks, Guns, Missiles, Howitzers, bombs, explosives, uniforms, helmets just sitting there just in case. Something you would only see in the movies. Also have secret points on majoy highways where there is JETA1 pumping stations to fuel Fighters. It is absolutely massive. Look, I wouldn't get too excited if I were you. Because Greece is not some country anyone could pick a fight with. The Australian Military for instance is unable to fight a war with the Greek Military which is armed to fight an apocalyptic war. Australia is only good for peace operations or small deployments. Not to mention the fact that Greece is America's little love child. The Americans have armed Greece to the teeth. Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 09:47:43 AM oh for fuck.... you greeks are so good, you lets the Turks take half your island That was Cyprus your talking about and during a Coup. The Greek Military was not on the island, only a decimated Cyprus National Guard. There were only 1100 Greek Troops on the island. In fact, the Greek Military was in cohorts with the Turkish Military. Greece and Turkey wanted double union. Which is the reason why Greece did not send any troops. The Greeks wanted Double Union with Greece and Turkey to the north. Many Cyprus National Guardsmen had their weapons dispossessed by the small Greek Military attachment. When the CNG headed north, the Greek Military were headed south to get out of the way. Sorry, but the Greek Military is a pretty dam strong force. You are just racist or don't like Cypriots or Greeks because they probably ytreated you badly in Cyprus. Yes they don't like easterners very much from places like Romania and Belarus. They call them Gypsies. :cool: Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 12:53:43 PM yeah...that the reason ....can be the only reason yeah, i can only be a racist, of a Romania and Belarus background, which you then tell me are called Gypsies in Cyprus Edited by adrtho: 2/7/2016 01:50:54 PM Wrong again. I know English is not your first language. I said you got a chip on your shoulder because you must have been treated real bad in Cyprus because WE are racist! :cool: I don't deny or live in denial. you did? I had to be a English code breaker from (GCHQ) to de code that message (you know, the the people who sit on top of your little greek Cyprus hil called Troodos) i speak perfect English, and don't have a wog accent Edited by adrtho: 2/7/2016 04:50:17 PM
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If Cyprus is so militarily strong why do they allow a MASSIVE British Army base on their island?
I've got a suspicion they might be rather afraid of the Turks, still.
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quickflick wrote:If Cyprus is so militarily strong why do they allow a MASSIVE British Army base on their island?
I've got a suspicion they might be rather afraid of the Turks, still. Cyprus is considered to be one of the best equipped military forces on the planet. They spend more per soldier for the Cyprus National Guard and the links with Israel are immence. The are not militarily strong because they only number 13,000 regulars, plus 70,000 reservists. The Greek Military is however very strong. It has 200,000 regulars and can mobilise to in excess of 1,000,000 troops. It has a very well equipped Air Force and Navy. But again, the point is, that it is a powerful institution politically right to the upper echelons of the ruling class political elites. It is more than capable of looking after the Nation in the event of a cataclysmic economic event and fight Turkey if need be.
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Yes I did! adrtho wrote:I had to be a English code breaker from (GCHQ) to de code that message (you know, the the people who sit on top of your little greek Cyprus hil called Troodos) Well, you will need to put what I said into the code breaker once again to see if you have better luck second time round. Here is what I said below: Aikhme wrote:You are just racist or don't like Cypriots or Greeks because they probably ytreated you badly in Cyprus.
Yes they don't like easterners very much from places like Romania and Belarus. They call them Gypsies. adrtho wrote:i speak perfect English, and don't have a wog accent I don't have a wog accent and it appears your English is not perfect at all. Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 06:49:13 PM
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I've learnt a fuckload about Greece in the last 3 or 4 pages. Very interesting. Had no idea the Greeks were so militarily involved. Interesting website here. Compare any 2 countries here. http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison.asphttp://www.globalfirepower.com/
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Interesting website. Countries which tend to be overly militaristic, often, tend to lack democratic stability. It's a bit of a balancing act. One thing. For all Greece's firepower, given a relative lack of military engagement, they'd probably struggle somewhat if push came to shove. Countries like Israel tend to be strong in that respect (no surprise). I'd have my doubts that Greece's special forces are all that special (albeit I may have that wrong). I haven't heard too many stories about Greek private military contractors (and given Greece's financial woes, you can bet that if the country was teeming with excellent soldiers, they'd be taking big pay cheques as mercenaries). How many Greek mercenaries are there? You hear about mercenaries galore from places like the States, the UK, Australia, NZ, etc. They seem to be highly sought after.
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these type of things are always bullshit just go look at the Greek tanks 500 M48 Patton from the 1960s 500 Leopard 1 i'm sure they have some upgarde, but these tanks easy destroys by tow missile...they are only good for keeping down a civilian uprising
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adrtho wrote:these type of things are always bullshit just go look at the Greek tanks 500 M48 Patton from the 1960s 500 Leopard 1 i'm sure they have some upgarde, but these tanks easy destroys by tow missile...they are only good for keeping down a civilian uprising hmmmm website or fuckwit? It's a tough call.
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quickflick wrote:Interesting website. Countries which tend to be overly militaristic, often, tend to lack democratic stability. It's a bit of a balancing act. One thing. For all Greece's firepower, given a relative lack of military engagement, they'd probably struggle somewhat if push came to shove. Countries like Israel tend to be strong in that respect (no surprise). I'd have my doubts that Greece's special forces are all that special (albeit I may have that wrong). I haven't heard too many stories about Greek private military contractors (and given Greece's financial woes, you can bet that if the country was teeming with excellent soldiers, they'd be taking big pay cheques as mercenaries). How many Greek mercenaries are there? You hear about mercenaries galore from places like the States, the UK, Australia, NZ, etc. They seem to be highly sought after. Greece has always been a prolonged big spender on arms. It is in fact the largest in the EU based on a per capita basis to GDP. The budget was cut recently but these measures are temporary. Greece is also a democratic nation and a member of the EU, NATO and is a key US ally. It's relations with Israel are close. The IAF train in Greece with the Greek Military. Israeli Special Forces also train with their Greek Counterparts. They are considered among the best in the world. Greece is armed to the teeth and the Americans have always had a strong involvement and influence. The Greek military however will not involve itself in other conflicts or create conflicts. It is purely for Greece's Defence and not to cause or create mayhem and war. However, should Greece ever be attacked, you can be sure that Greece has the firepower to cause a lot of mayhem and havoc and I find it difficult to accept that Greece can be militarily defeated or that anyone would just attack Greece Willy milky. Put it this was, they would wipe the floor with Australia so be grateful that Australia is an ally.
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adrtho wrote:these type of things are always bullshit just go look at the Greek tanks 500 M48 Patton from the 1960s 500 Leopard 1 i'm sure they have some upgarde, but these tanks easy destroys by tow missile...they are only good for keeping down a civilian uprising What about the Abrams and T80 tanks! Not so bulldog after all. Australia has 59 Tanks. Greece has 2000! Do the comparison. With that many Tanks they are bound to have some old Leopards which btw are in fact upgraded and also in service with the U.K., Germany and France. Btw, Greece has large enough arms stockpiles for over 1 million troops in storage. I have seen them with my own eyes and they are littered all over the countryside is hidden bunkers underground and in mountains. Edited by Aikhme: 2/7/2016 11:29:10 PM
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Toughlove wrote:adrtho wrote:these type of things are always bullshit just go look at the Greek tanks 500 M48 Patton from the 1960s 500 Leopard 1 i'm sure they have some upgarde, but these tanks easy destroys by tow missile...they are only good for keeping down a civilian uprising hmmmm website or fuckwit? It's a tough call. The guy is a total fuckwit and doesn't know what he is talking about. It's also irrelevant to the topic apart from my initial point that the Greek military is a very strong and influential institution in Greece, which btw can indeed take office if need be to restore stability during an apocalyptic financial event.
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Aikhme wrote:quickflick wrote:Interesting website. Countries which tend to be overly militaristic, often, tend to lack democratic stability. It's a bit of a balancing act. One thing. For all Greece's firepower, given a relative lack of military engagement, they'd probably struggle somewhat if push came to shove. Countries like Israel tend to be strong in that respect (no surprise). I'd have my doubts that Greece's special forces are all that special (albeit I may have that wrong). I haven't heard too many stories about Greek private military contractors (and given Greece's financial woes, you can bet that if the country was teeming with excellent soldiers, they'd be taking big pay cheques as mercenaries). How many Greek mercenaries are there? You hear about mercenaries galore from places like the States, the UK, Australia, NZ, etc. They seem to be highly sought after. Greece has always been a prolonged big spender on arms. It is in fact the largest in the EU based on a per capita basis to GDP. The budget was cut recently but these measures are temporary. Greece is also a democratic nation and a member of the EU, NATO and is a key US ally. It's relations with Israel are close. The IAF train in Greece with the Greek Military. Israeli Special Forces also train with their Greek Counterparts. They are considered among the best in the world. Greece is armed to the teeth and the Americans have always had a strong involvement and influence. The Greek military however will not involve itself in other conflicts or create conflicts. It is purely for Greece's Defence and not to cause or create mayhem and war. However, should Greece ever be attacked, you can be sure that Greece has the firepower to cause a lot of mayhem and havoc and I find it difficult to accept that Greece can be militarily defeated or that anyone would just attack Greece Willy milky. Put it this was, they would wipe the floor with Australia so be grateful that Australia is an ally. I hope Crusader reads this :lol: :lol: :lol: In answer to your question, if we're just comparing Australia and Greece (ignoring other nations, alliances and geopolitics)... In a one-off strike, quite possibly the Greeks would overcome Australia. Australia isn't on a war-footing. Healthy democratic societies tend not to be. Over a prolonged period... probably not. Greece is too poor, it's population isn't sufficiently large (if we're talking mass-mobilisation). Greece also doesn't have the combat experience that nations like Australia have and probably not the military acumen. I'm highly, highly sceptical of the proposition that Greek special forces are in the same league as special forces from nations like the States, Britain and, even, Australia.
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quickflick wrote:Aikhme wrote:quickflick wrote:Interesting website. Countries which tend to be overly militaristic, often, tend to lack democratic stability. It's a bit of a balancing act. One thing. For all Greece's firepower, given a relative lack of military engagement, they'd probably struggle somewhat if push came to shove. Countries like Israel tend to be strong in that respect (no surprise). I'd have my doubts that Greece's special forces are all that special (albeit I may have that wrong). I haven't heard too many stories about Greek private military contractors (and given Greece's financial woes, you can bet that if the country was teeming with excellent soldiers, they'd be taking big pay cheques as mercenaries). How many Greek mercenaries are there? You hear about mercenaries galore from places like the States, the UK, Australia, NZ, etc. They seem to be highly sought after. Greece has always been a prolonged big spender on arms. It is in fact the largest in the EU based on a per capita basis to GDP. The budget was cut recently but these measures are temporary. Greece is also a democratic nation and a member of the EU, NATO and is a key US ally. It's relations with Israel are close. The IAF train in Greece with the Greek Military. Israeli Special Forces also train with their Greek Counterparts. They are considered among the best in the world. Greece is armed to the teeth and the Americans have always had a strong involvement and influence. The Greek military however will not involve itself in other conflicts or create conflicts. It is purely for Greece's Defence and not to cause or create mayhem and war. However, should Greece ever be attacked, you can be sure that Greece has the firepower to cause a lot of mayhem and havoc and I find it difficult to accept that Greece can be militarily defeated or that anyone would just attack Greece Willy milky. Put it this was, they would wipe the floor with Australia so be grateful that Australia is an ally. I hope Crusader reads this :lol: :lol: :lol: In answer to your question, if we're just comparing Australia and Greece (ignoring other nations, alliances and geopolitics)... In a one-off strike, quite possibly the Greeks would overcome Australia. Australia isn't on a war-footing. Healthy democratic societies tend not to be. Over a prolonged period... probably not. Greece is too poor, it's population isn't sufficiently large (if we're talking mass-mobilisation). Greece also doesn't have the combat experience that nations like Australia have and probably not the military acumen. I'm highly, highly sceptical of the proposition that Greek special forces are in the same league as special forces from nations like the States, Britain and, even, Australia. If Crusader is a military person he would know that Australia is not equipped to wage any war against Greece. Greece is armed to the tilt. It will never attack Australia or anyone, just defend itself like Israel does. It has enough weapons and munitions to sustain itself in warfare for years. It is designed to fight a WW3 against the former Soviet states of Yugoslavia and Bulgaria with NATO support. Greece has over 3000 violations of its airspace each year. It is constantly on a war footing hence why it maintains a strong military. It has nothing to do with democracy but it's very important strategic and geostrategic position. Look, ADF is great. They are well equipped and well trained. They are very small and unable to really fight a prolonged war against a country with similar firepower to Greece. Greece btw will always fight to the last on its own turf. We've seen this throughout history. During WW2, the economy was worse and yet the Greek Military delivered the first allied victory of WW2 against the AXIS.
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