Former Auschwitz guard Oskar Gröning jailed over mass murder


Former Auschwitz guard Oskar Gröning jailed over mass murder

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FFS the next four words of his quote offer all the explanation you need, I know you can see that for yourself.

I can't answer for the opinions of 433, all I'm doing is pointing out how his comments are in response to specific incidents and individuals rather than the offensive blanket statements on a sensitive issue that you portrayed them to be.


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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Is it me that has the comprehension problem or you?


Still you. I read that, as did everyone else, no one is denying the existence of this statement, we are just simply not agreeing with it being fair.

Your comprehension was called into question when you made false accusations after taking comments out of context, the context was subsequently pointed out to illustrate this.
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Fredsta wrote:
FFS the next four words of his quote offer all the explanation you need, I know you can see that for yourself.

I can't answer for the opinions of 433, all I'm doing is pointing out how his comments are in response to specific incidents and individuals rather than the offensive blanket statements on a sensitive issue that you portrayed them to be.



This "trial" [size=6]is purely politically motivated[/size]

Right.

That reads so much better.

The "trial" (illegitimate) is purely (not about justice) politically (a Zionist conspiracy) motivated.




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Fredsta wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Is it me that has the comprehension problem or you?


Still you. I read that, as did everyone else, no one is denying the existence of this statement, we are just simply not agreeing with it being fair.

Your comprehension was called into question when you made false accusations after taking comments out of context, the context was subsequently pointed out to illustrate this.


It may not be fair but you said "Based on the facts within that article it seems unfathomable that a court of justice could find this man guilty of such crimes."

When clearly from the get go he was toast.

You should have said this bloke was ripped off but based on the precedent he didn't stand a chance.



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Munrubenmuz wrote:
433 wrote:

"What a bunch of Zionist-driven crap."


Why are you defending the indefensible? These rantings look like something you'd find on a holocaust denial site.


Out of context obviously because the German legal system is run by Jews.




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I don't care how it reads, you asked a question and that's the answer. I'm done here, if you want 433 to explain his comments then ask him to do it, putting words in his mouth like that is something you'd be livid about if Notorganic or anyone else did it to you.

You came in all guns blazing and made some very big accusations, I've subsequently provided the adequate context to illustrate how wrong these accusations were and now you're just being pedantic. I can understand the stubborn refusal to admit you were wrong but the way you're carrying on and trying to paint others in a negative light is utterly pathetic and I will have no more part in allowing it to continue.

Edited by fredsta: 17/7/2015 01:00:55 PM
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
433 wrote:

"What a bunch of Zionist-driven crap."


Why are you defending the indefensible? These rantings look like something you'd find on a holocaust denial site.


Out of context obviously because the German legal system is run by Jews.



Pedantic.


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Fredsta wrote:
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Is this legit? Did you even read the article?


Are you honestly surprised?

I was waiting for this and it did not disappoint one bit :lol:


Second a multi or new user posts in this thread it will have to be notor ;)

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Looks like Manrub has sand in his mangina again :lol:


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11.mvfc.11 wrote:

How you could judge a 94 year old man, surely traumatised like many other war veterans, for something he was ordered to do by the greatest dictator of our recent history?


I didn't judge him you fucking brain dead moron. Read, reread and read again.

I didn't once offer an opinion on what I think should happen to this bloke.

You come on here and slag me off when you obviously have the comprehension skills of a 3 year old.

Read everything I wrote here and then, if you have any decency, apologise (which you won't) for misrepresenting me because you have your head fair up your arse.




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You're a deadset fuckwit mate. You come in here and make assertions without any knowledge of the case whatsoever, just that Nazi = bad so therefore this guy must deserve to go to jail.

This case is politically motivated and symptomatic of the irrational vengeance some Jews feel towards people who had no say in the events of the holocaust.

No one likes you here, fuck off.

Edited by 433: 17/7/2015 06:18:10 PM
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433 wrote:
You're a deadset fuckwit mate. You come in here and make assertions without any knowledge of the case whatsoever, just that Nazi = bad so therefore this guy must deserve to go to jail.

This case is politically motivated and symptomatic of the irrational vengeance some Jews feel towards people who had no say in the events of the holocaust.

No one likes you here, fuck off.

Edited by 433: 17/7/2015 06:18:10 PM


$10 000 to your bank account if you can find whee I said that bloke deserves to go to jail.


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Munrubenmuz wrote:
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Let's just take one of those statements and look at it for a second.

Explain to me why "trial" is in inverted commas?

Inverted commas imply that the trial was illegitimate. Why?


Because based on the facts within that article [size=6]it seems unfathomable that a court of justice could find this man guilty of such crimes[/size].


Fredsta wrote:

Munrubenmuz wrote:
Obviously I have a comprehension problem.


It would certainly seem that way.


Is it me that has the comprehension problem or you?

In the OP it says this:

"But since the 2012 conclusion of the trial of John Demjanjuk in Munich, in which judges ruled he was an accessory to mass murder simply by working at the Sobibor extermination camp, a change of practice has taken place, in which an individual’s mere presence at a concentration camp coupled with the knowledge they knew what was happening there, is sufficient to secure a conviction."

It's pretty clear that based on the above this bloke was cactus the moment he stepped foot in the court.

But he shouldn't be. Its a bullshit law that someone who did not kill anyone, did not order anyone to die and could not have done anything to prevent what was happening short of risking his own life, can be found guilty.

This is different to someone being an accessory to murder by witnessing a murder and not informing the authorities. In those cases there is the opportunity to call the police etc.

Anyone who thinks this guy is guilty (and I'm not saying you do Munrub) should ask themselves what they would've done in his position. That should be the gold standard in judgement.
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u4486662 wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Let's just take one of those statements and look at it for a second.

Explain to me why "trial" is in inverted commas?

Inverted commas imply that the trial was illegitimate. Why?


Because based on the facts within that article [size=6]it seems unfathomable that a court of justice could find this man guilty of such crimes[/size].


Fredsta wrote:

Munrubenmuz wrote:
Obviously I have a comprehension problem.


It would certainly seem that way.


Is it me that has the comprehension problem or you?

In the OP it says this:

"But since the 2012 conclusion of the trial of John Demjanjuk in Munich, in which judges ruled he was an accessory to mass murder simply by working at the Sobibor extermination camp, a change of practice has taken place, in which an individual’s mere presence at a concentration camp coupled with the knowledge they knew what was happening there, is sufficient to secure a conviction."

It's pretty clear that based on the above this bloke was cactus the moment he stepped foot in the court.

But he shouldn't be. Its a bullshit law that someone who did not kill anyone, did not order anyone to die and could not have done anything to prevent what was happening short of risking his own life, can be found guilty.

This is different to someone being an accessory to murder by witnessing a murder and not informing the authorities. In those cases there is the opportunity to call the police etc.

Anyone who thinks this guy is guilty (and I'm not saying you do Munrub) should ask themselves what they would've done in his position. That should be the gold standard in judgement.


I'm not disagreeing.

The village idiots above can't read so resort to foul and abusive name calling instead of arguing the pertinent points.




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Just checking in to see if 433 has claimed his $10 000 reward or if 11.mvfc.11 has apologised. Nothing here of course but then again neither of them can read or have any decency so it's not surprising.

It's what you'd expect from lesser men.

Abuse from towelhead as usual but that's par for the course.


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:lol: this thread has delivered :lol:
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Manrub's lack of self awareness is staggering.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Just checking in to see if 433 has claimed his $10 000 reward or if 11.mvfc.11 has apologised. Nothing here of course but then again neither of them can read or have any decency so it's not surprising.

It's what you'd expect from lesser men.

Abuse from towelhead as usual but that's par for the course.


The way 433 talks about "bloodthirsty Jews" made me uncomfortable when I read it too but you just called someone a towelhead.
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Fourfiveone wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Just checking in to see if 433 has claimed his $10 000 reward or if 11.mvfc.11 has apologised. Nothing here of course but then again neither of them can read or have any decency so it's not surprising.

It's what you'd expect from lesser men.

Abuse from towelhead as usual but that's par for the course.


The way 433 talks about "bloodthirsty Jews" made me uncomfortable when I read it too but you just called someone a towelhead.


It's a reference to his profile pic.


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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Just checking in to see if 433 has claimed his $10 000 reward or if 11.mvfc.11 has apologised. Nothing here of course but then again neither of them can read or have any decency so it's not surprising.

It's what you'd expect from lesser men.

Abuse from towelhead as usual but that's par for the course.


The way 433 talks about "bloodthirsty Jews" made me uncomfortable when I read it too but you just called someone a towelhead.


It's a reference to his profile pic.

That's still inappropriate.
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benelsmore wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Just checking in to see if 433 has claimed his $10 000 reward or if 11.mvfc.11 has apologised. Nothing here of course but then again neither of them can read or have any decency so it's not surprising.

It's what you'd expect from lesser men.

Abuse from towelhead as usual but that's par for the course.


The way 433 talks about "bloodthirsty Jews" made me uncomfortable when I read it too but you just called someone a towelhead.


It's a reference to his profile pic.

That's still inappropriate.

Just another fine example of Manrub's lack of self awareness.
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benelsmore wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Just checking in to see if 433 has claimed his $10 000 reward or if 11.mvfc.11 has apologised. Nothing here of course but then again neither of them can read or have any decency so it's not surprising.

It's what you'd expect from lesser men.

Abuse from towelhead as usual but that's par for the course.


The way 433 talks about "bloodthirsty Jews" made me uncomfortable when I read it too but you just called someone a towelhead.


It's a reference to his profile pic.

That's still inappropriate.


Right.

"Bloodthirsty Jews"
" modern day nazis"
"a bunch of Zionist-driven crap"
"sick desire for revenge and vengeance"
"resident fuckwit"
"You're a deadset fuckwit mate."
"irrational vengeance some Jews"
"Manrubz, you are such a knob"
etc...

That's all fine.

"Towelhead". well that's beyond the pale.


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Munrubenmuz wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Just checking in to see if 433 has claimed his $10 000 reward or if 11.mvfc.11 has apologised. Nothing here of course but then again neither of them can read or have any decency so it's not surprising.

It's what you'd expect from lesser men.

Abuse from towelhead as usual but that's par for the course.


The way 433 talks about "bloodthirsty Jews" made me uncomfortable when I read it too but you just called someone a towelhead.


It's a reference to his profile pic.

That's still inappropriate.


Right.

"Bloodthirsty Jews"
" modern day nazis"
"a bunch of Zionist-driven crap"
"sick desire for revenge and vengeance"
"resident fuckwit"
"You're a deadset fuckwit mate."
"irrational vengeance some Jews"
"Manrubz, you are such a knob"
etc...

That's all fine.

"Towelhead". well that's beyond the pale.


Yes, your fabricated victimhood does not give you the right to call people towelheads. It just makes you a fool and clearly shows to all of us your bias in your bullship.
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Unshackled wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Just checking in to see if 433 has claimed his $10 000 reward or if 11.mvfc.11 has apologised. Nothing here of course but then again neither of them can read or have any decency so it's not surprising.

It's what you'd expect from lesser men.

Abuse from towelhead as usual but that's par for the course.


The way 433 talks about "bloodthirsty Jews" made me uncomfortable when I read it too but you just called someone a towelhead.


It's a reference to his profile pic.

That's still inappropriate.


Right.

"Bloodthirsty Jews"
" modern day nazis"
"a bunch of Zionist-driven crap"
"sick desire for revenge and vengeance"
"resident fuckwit"
"You're a deadset fuckwit mate."
"irrational vengeance some Jews"
"Manrubz, you are such a knob"
etc...

That's all fine.

"Towelhead". well that's beyond the pale.


Yes, your fabricated victimhood does not give you the right to call people towelheads. It just makes you a fool and clearly shows to all of us your bias in your bullship.

What my other account said :lol:
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