Adam Goodes is the face of an issue Australia must confront


Adam Goodes is the face of an issue Australia must confront

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Unshackled wrote:
The Maco wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
trident wrote:
A historical cultural dance is not the same as a crass redneck gesture.


So it's alright to label certain gestures as redneck?

:lol:

Isn't the two finger flip British anyway? Definitely not redneck


If I remember correctly the French cut the fingers off captive English longbowmen as they were very effective in battle. Later British archers would taunt the French with the salute, gesturing their bow drawing fingers.

So it is historical and cultural :lol:


Dates back to the battles of Agincourt and Crecy, so hundreds of years of history, unlike the threatening gestures Goodes made. Whoever this nobody is the VFL is persecuting him because of his race.
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The Maco wrote:
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trident wrote:
A historical cultural dance is not the same as a crass redneck gesture.


So it's alright to label certain gestures as redneck?

:lol:

Isn't the two finger flip British anyway? Definitely not redneck


If I remember correctly the French cut the fingers off captive English longbowmen as they were very effective in battle. Later British archers would taunt the French with the salute, gesturing their bow drawing fingers.

So it is historical and cultural :lol:

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Munrubenmuz wrote:
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Here is the man in question.

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[quote]Mr. Ignatiev pledges in the essay that his journal, Race Traitor, intends to "keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed not 'deconstructed' but destroyed."


Brilliant. Talk about cherry-picking. How about you do some more reading.

Ignatiev states[specify] that attempts to give race a biological foundation have only led to absurdities, as in the common example that a white woman could give birth to a black child, but a black woman could never give birth to a white child. Ignatiev asserts that the only logical explanation for this notion is that people are members of different racial categories because society assigns people to these categories.

Ignatiev's web site and publication Race Traitor display the motto "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity". In response to a letter to the site which understood the motto as meaning that the authors "hated" white people because of their "white skin", Ignatiev and the other editors responded:

“   We do not hate you or anyone else for the color of her skin. What we hate is a system that confers privileges (and burdens) on people because of their color. It is not fair skin that makes people white; it is fair skin in a certain kind of society, one that attaches social importance to skin color. When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color, thereby abolishing the white race as a social category. Consider this parallel: To be against royalty does not mean wanting to kill the king. It means wanting to do away with crowns, thrones, titles, and the privileges attached to them. In our view, whiteness has a lot in common with royalty: they are both social formations that carry unearned advantages.[8]

And BTW are you going to apologise for linking a satirical website and parading it as fact?


Whether he's trying to be satirical or not what he wrote is extremely racist. Trying to rationalise it away by arguing he really means the "white race construct" is just weasel words.

Substitute the words 'white' with 'yellow' or 'black and I don't think you'll find too many people appreciating the satirical nature of it. It's like saying "all women are sluts and need to be destroyed" and then saying "oh what I really mean is the female gender construct is a slut and needs to be destroyed not those beings with vaginas".
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The Maco wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
trident wrote:
A historical cultural dance is not the same as a crass redneck gesture.


So it's alright to label certain gestures as redneck?

:lol:

Isn't the two finger flip British anyway? Definitely not redneck

It would also have more history than what Goodes did anyway. :lol:
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I'm still laughing at the West Coast supporter who got kicked out after repeatedly calling for Goodes to "go back to the zoo" complaining that its "political correctness gone mad" that he got kicked out. And complaining that it had "nothing to do with race".

Can't figure out whether people like this are lying, or are genuinely so ignorant that they actually don't think what they are saying is racist.


Hypothetically if I say Jonathon Thurston looks like an ape, because there is a passing resemblance, is that racist?




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I'm still laughing at the West Coast supporter who got kicked out after repeatedly calling for Goodes to "go back to the zoo" complaining that its "political correctness gone mad" that he got kicked out. And complaining that it had "nothing to do with race".

Can't figure out whether people like this are lying, or are genuinely so ignorant that they actually don't think what they are saying is racist.
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SlyGoat36 wrote:
trident wrote:
A historical cultural dance is not the same as a crass redneck gesture.


So it's alright to label certain gestures as redneck?

:lol:

Isn't the two finger flip British anyway? Definitely not redneck
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trident wrote:
A historical cultural dance is not the same as a crass redneck gesture.


So it's alright to label certain gestures as redneck?

:lol:
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A historical cultural dance is not the same as a crass redneck gesture.
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Saw this on Bigfooty today and will admit I lol'd.


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Quite relieved to see this is all over and the racist fans have learned their lesson.

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So Goodes got a few dodgy free kicks and there was displeasure in the Geelong fan base.

Please PC f*cktards tell me how racist the Geelong supports are.......

Edited by benelsmore: 9/8/2015 12:02:34 AM
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TheSelectFew wrote:
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all of this Goodes things is just an elborate marketing ploy by the AFL.......funnily enough this weekend is AFLs indigenous round.....lol...............


Multicultural round this weekend


:roll: oh well was a nice attempt to troll....but alas i failed.....:roll: :roll:


fwiw indigenous round was the round he did the spear thingy and everyone lost their mind that something indigenous actually happened.


i just wish sportsmen and entertainers would just shut the fuck up and do their job without trying to have an influence.....


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Mozilla wrote:
batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
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trident wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech


Is shouting fire in a theatre free speech?
There's conditions on whats OK to say and we dont live in the USA where they have some crazy things in their constitution like right to bear arms.

Even from the perspective of an American; as the great scientist Neill DeGrasse Tyson said, the booers were anti-free speech by complaining about Adam Goodes right to express himself freely with his cultural dance.

Either way the racists were on the wrong side of history.


well yes it is against free speech....don't agree with it, but a person has a right to say whatever they like.......very simple.....IF they say it and it breaches a law that is something very different......is there a law preventing racist comments???
just as people have the freedom of speech to condemn those who spout such bullshit...


don't be to hard on yourself....;)
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batfink wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
batfink wrote:
all of this Goodes things is just an elborate marketing ploy by the AFL.......funnily enough this weekend is AFLs indigenous round.....lol...............


Multicultural round this weekend


:roll: oh well was a nice attempt to troll....but alas i failed.....:roll: :roll:


fwiw indigenous round was the round he did the spear thingy and everyone lost their mind that something indigenous actually happened.


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batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech


Is shouting fire in a theatre free speech?
There's conditions on whats OK to say and we dont live in the USA where they have some crazy things in their constitution like right to bear arms.

Even from the perspective of an American; as the great scientist Neill DeGrasse Tyson said, the booers were anti-free speech by complaining about Adam Goodes right to express himself freely with his cultural dance.

Either way the racists were on the wrong side of history.


well yes it is against free speech....don't agree with it, but a person has a right to say whatever they like.......very simple.....IF they say it and it breaches a law that is something very different......is there a law preventing racist comments???
just as people have the freedom of speech to condemn those who spout such bullshit...
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batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech


Is shouting fire in a theatre free speech?
There's conditions on whats OK to say and we dont live in the USA where they have some crazy things in their constitution like right to bear arms.

Even from the perspective of an American; as the great scientist Neill DeGrasse Tyson said, the booers were anti-free speech by complaining about Adam Goodes right to express himself freely with his cultural dance.

Either way the racists were on the wrong side of history.


well yes it is against free speech....don't agree with it, but a person has a right to say whatever they like.......very simple.....IF they say it and it breaches a law that is something very different......is there a law preventing racist comments???


Yes - there are Federal and State laws dealing with racial vilification. Some have civil penalties, some (including WA) have criminal penalties.

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batfink wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
batfink wrote:
all of this Goodes things is just an elborate marketing ploy by the AFL.......funnily enough this weekend is AFLs indigenous round.....lol...............


Multicultural round this weekend


:roll: oh well was a nice attempt to troll....but alas i failed.....:roll: :roll:

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TheSelectFew wrote:
batfink wrote:
all of this Goodes things is just an elborate marketing ploy by the AFL.......funnily enough this weekend is AFLs indigenous round.....lol...............


Multicultural round this weekend


:roll: oh well was a nice attempt to troll....but alas i failed.....:roll: :roll:
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batfink wrote:
all of this Goodes things is just an elborate marketing ploy by the AFL.......funnily enough this weekend is AFLs indigenous round.....lol...............


Multicultural round this weekend


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trident wrote:
batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech


Is shouting fire in a theatre free speech?
There's conditions on whats OK to say and we dont live in the USA where they have some crazy things in their constitution like right to bear arms.

Even from the perspective of an American; as the great scientist Neill DeGrasse Tyson said, the booers were anti-free speech by complaining about Adam Goodes right to express himself freely with his cultural dance.

Either way the racists were on the wrong side of history.


well yes it is against free speech....don't agree with it, but a person has a right to say whatever they like.......very simple.....IF they say it and it breaches a law that is something very different......is there a law preventing racist comments???
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all of this Goodes things is just an elborate marketing ploy by the AFL.......funnily enough this weekend is AFLs indigenous round.....lol...............
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Unshackled wrote:
trident wrote:
batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech


Is shouting fire in a theatre free speech?
There's conditions on whats OK to say and we dont live in the USA where they have some crazy things in their constitution like right to bear arms.

Even from the perspective of an American; as the great scientist Neill DeGrasse Tyson said, the booers were anti-free speech by complaining about Adam Goodes right to express himself freely with his cultural dance.

Either way the racists were on the wrong side of history.


Excellent, and when non conforming white people do not clap sufficiently at indigenous players throughout the game or when they 'culturally express' themselves, offensive or not. They shall be hunted down, publicly vilified and hauled off to camps for reprogramming. Their families as well just to be sure, at the full discretion of the powers that be.


Haha. Nice conspiracy theory.
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trident wrote:
batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech


Is shouting fire in a theatre free speech?
There's conditions on whats OK to say and we dont live in the USA where they have some crazy things in their constitution like right to bear arms.

Even from the perspective of an American; as the great scientist Neill DeGrasse Tyson said, the booers were anti-free speech by complaining about Adam Goodes right to express himself freely with his cultural dance.

Either way the racists were on the wrong side of history.


Excellent, and when non conforming white people do not clap sufficiently at indigenous players throughout the game or when they 'culturally express' themselves, offensive or not. They shall be hunted down, publicly vilified and hauled off to camps for reprogramming. Their families as well just to be sure, at the full discretion of the powers that be.
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batfink wrote:
trident wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech


Society trying silence racism =/= stopping free speech lol.

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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech


Is shouting fire in a theatre free speech?
There's conditions on whats OK to say and we dont live in the USA where they have some crazy things in their constitution like right to bear arms.

Even from the perspective of an American; as the great scientist Neill DeGrasse Tyson said, the booers were anti-free speech by complaining about Adam Goodes right to express himself freely with his cultural dance.

Either way the racists were on the wrong side of history.
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trident wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


I dont get where this girl became a victim? Is it ok to be racist as long as you are under 16?
Should everyone just accept what is called out to them and 'harden up'.


It's a problem with our entire society. We pass off social flaws and crime as 'just kids being kids' without addressing the issue. The problem with that is that nonsense like this pops up.

Anyone who think's Goodes did anything wrong by pointing that girl out is an idiot.


Correct. Racists need to be exposed, ridiculed, marginalised and ultimately banned from the public area they spread their toxic speech. Its not OK for them to say the things they say.


that is against free speech
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Very well, If the former quotes are indeed satirical then I apologize. Having read some of his writings and many of his tribesman it was easy for me to accept these as truths.

He still genuinely promotes some outlandish concepts that if were expressed by a white gentile and directed at any other race besides white, would result in severely destroying their career, legacy, future employment, social circles etc

Now, will you cease to refer to me as Notor. It is rude to associate my thoughts and comments to desperately appease the deep resentment you hold against him.
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Unshackled wrote:


Here is the man in question.

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[quote]Mr. Ignatiev pledges in the essay that his journal, Race Traitor, intends to "keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed not 'deconstructed' but destroyed."


Brilliant. Talk about cherry-picking. How about you do some more reading.

Ignatiev states[specify] that attempts to give race a biological foundation have only led to absurdities, as in the common example that a white woman could give birth to a black child, but a black woman could never give birth to a white child. Ignatiev asserts that the only logical explanation for this notion is that people are members of different racial categories because society assigns people to these categories.

Ignatiev's web site and publication Race Traitor display the motto "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity". In response to a letter to the site which understood the motto as meaning that the authors "hated" white people because of their "white skin", Ignatiev and the other editors responded:

“   We do not hate you or anyone else for the color of her skin. What we hate is a system that confers privileges (and burdens) on people because of their color. It is not fair skin that makes people white; it is fair skin in a certain kind of society, one that attaches social importance to skin color. When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color, thereby abolishing the white race as a social category. Consider this parallel: To be against royalty does not mean wanting to kill the king. It means wanting to do away with crowns, thrones, titles, and the privileges attached to them. In our view, whiteness has a lot in common with royalty: they are both social formations that carry unearned advantages.[8]

And BTW are you going to apologise for linking a satirical website and parading it as fact?


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