Red card: The banned football fans from 10 A-League clubs


Red card: The banned football fans from 10 A-League clubs

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SWandP wrote:
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funny, how they couldn't require enough banned people so they aimed for people who are apart of football groups even though they haven't got in trouble with the law.

good stuff.


We all understand how difficult and perhaps personally devastating this might be for you.

Just a clarifier - I wouldn't email them, or have any contact with anybody at all, including on this forum, about this matter until you after receive proper advice. You will not get a single worthwhile suggestion here other than to seek that advice.

(STOP POSTING)


Edited by SWandP: 22/11/2015 10:39:21 AM


this!
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Also how do you access this gallery?

Who knows how many people are wrongfully on it.
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i just bought the Daily Telegraph...theres a feature by Rothfield in the sports section on NRL footballers pictured doing charity work . 2 big pictures of NRL players inside a hospital.


Edited by Socawho: 22/11/2015 10:51:39 AM
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tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.

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Can I ask as many people as possible lodge a complaint with the Australian communications and media authority at acma.gov.au and at the Australian press council at presscouncil.org.au

On my phone so can't link.

Edited by u4486662: 22/11/2015 10:55:42 AM
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I'd like to think this bird was drunk or high when publishing this article.
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Read somewhere some of the accused guilty parties are going to sue as most names and photos dont match.


A class action by all of them (privacy? do the public have a right to know any of this?) is probably the best bet...


Should be easy to track down all the other people haha.

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The hun do the same thing every year about the same time. When nothing better to do they drag out sokkah hooligans stories. After the shit they copped last week about the terror attacks and the goading of muslims you think they learn
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If I was on there I'd be seeking legal advice asap.


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Theres more important things to report on yet they make this front page...something smells.
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SocaWho wrote:
i just bought the Daily Telegraph...theres a feature by Rothfield in the sports section on NRL footballers pictured doing charity work . 2 big pictures of NRL players inside a hospital.


Edited by Socawho: 22/11/2015 10:51:39 AM


Sorry but you're part of the problem, why would you go out and buy their crap when you can't be sure what's true and what's not. Until people stop buying their papers and sharing links this shit will continue.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


Go to the bar association and legal aid for help.

Also if you know more people that have been named and never banned go together and only lawyer acting in your behalf through all communication.

Edited by lolitsbigmic: 22/11/2015 11:47:25 AM
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


As I said, having been involved in defamation law truth is not a defence. Somebody can be telling the truth about you and you can still sue.

The other matter is the use of language, they were all named as louts. Now that is opening up another can of worms. This is not an open and shut instance and to make blanket claims about aplogogies is pie in the sky stuff. All it comes down to who had the money to pursue. It would not be that difficult for people involved to say that either their privacy was breach or they were unfairly defamed - it's iust if a judge believes it.

Without knowing all the facts of personal circumstances the best bet would be for combined action.
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Half decent lawyer will easy get a front page apology and retraction if true.
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seek legal advice and dont budge
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tsf wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


As I said, having been involved in defamation law truth is not a defence. Somebody can be telling the truth about you and you can still sue.

The other matter is the use of language, they were all named as louts. Now that is opening up another can of worms. This is not an open and shut instance and to make blanket claims about aplogogies is pie in the sky stuff. All it comes down to who had the money to pursue. It would not be that difficult for people involved to say that either their privacy was breach or they were unfairly defamed - it's iust if a judge believes it.

Without knowing all the facts of personal circumstances the best bet would be for combined action.

Were you the lawyer in "The Castle"?

The Defamation Act 2005 (NSW) is the template legislation that applies uniformly across Australia.

Here is a useful information source: http://www.turnerfreeman.com.au/nsw/defamation-claims/


Edited by biscuitman1871: 22/11/2015 12:08:36 PM

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tsf wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


As I said, having been involved in defamation law truth is not a defence. Somebody can be telling the truth about you and you can still sue.

The other matter is the use of language, they were all named as louts. Now that is opening up another can of worms. This is not an open and shut instance and to make blanket claims about aplogogies is pie in the sky stuff. All it comes down to who had the money to pursue. It would not be that difficult for people involved to say that either their privacy was breach or they were unfairly defamed - it's iust if a judge believes it.

Without knowing all the facts of personal circumstances the best bet would be for combined action.

Also it may not be just defamation you might sue them on, a lawyer can help with that.

You also have a paper run by and employs jounos who are white Anglo Saxons defaming people of ethnic backgrounds, smart lawyer (or anyone) can make the a claim that this is motivated by racism/race hatred

Combined action is the only chance you have got.
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All fans need to unite agaisnt this shit. Bring back the passion is not a crime week level anger we need to stixk together.


Is not enough... Someone should get a crowd funding site together for those suing... id chip in

$$$$ is the language they will only understand and it's time we took our game back


Edited by UnitedGal: 22/11/2015 12:08:42 PM

Edited by UnitedGal: 22/11/2015 12:09:37 PM
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And no replies on Val's twitter account, silence is gold
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


As I said, having been involved in defamation law truth is not a defence. Somebody can be telling the truth about you and you can still sue.

The other matter is the use of language, they were all named as louts. Now that is opening up another can of worms. This is not an open and shut instance and to make blanket claims about aplogogies is pie in the sky stuff. All it comes down to who had the money to pursue. It would not be that difficult for people involved to say that either their privacy was breach or they were unfairly defamed - it's iust if a judge believes it.

Without knowing all the facts of personal circumstances the best bet would be for combined action.

Were you the lawyer in "The Castle"?

The Defamation Act 2005 (NSW) is the template legislation that applies uniformly across Australia.

Here is a useful information source: http://www.turnerfreeman.com.au/nsw/defamation-claims/


Edited by biscuitman1871: 22/11/2015 12:08:36 PM


Not sure what you are trying to get at by just posting random links and goggling stuff, but carry on.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


As I said, having been involved in defamation law truth is not a defence. Somebody can be telling the truth about you and you can still sue.

The other matter is the use of language, they were all named as louts. Now that is opening up another can of worms. This is not an open and shut instance and to make blanket claims about aplogogies is pie in the sky stuff. All it comes down to who had the money to pursue. It would not be that difficult for people involved to say that either their privacy was breach or they were unfairly defamed - it's iust if a judge believes it.

Without knowing all the facts of personal circumstances the best bet would be for combined action.

Were you the lawyer in "The Castle"?

The Defamation Act 2005 (NSW) is the template legislation that applies uniformly across Australia.

Here is a useful information source: http://www.turnerfreeman.com.au/nsw/defamation-claims/


Edited by biscuitman1871: 22/11/2015 12:08:36 PM


TSF is very right. The truth is not really a defence, the law and the truth are two separate things. Thats why getting a good lawyer is the most important thing. Thats why i said get a group and go to the bar association and legal aid. There will be people there willing to help you if there is a group and a big enough claim against them.
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SocaWho wrote:
i just bought the Daily Telegraph...theres a feature by Rothfield in the sports section on NRL footballers pictured doing charity work . 2 big pictures of NRL players inside a hospital.


Edited by Socawho: 22/11/2015 10:51:39 AM


Sorry but you're part of the problem, why would you go out and buy their crap when you can't be sure what's true and what's not. Until people stop buying their papers and sharing links this shit will continue.

I buy it for my old man....not me.
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lolitsbigmic wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


As I said, having been involved in defamation law truth is not a defence. Somebody can be telling the truth about you and you can still sue.

The other matter is the use of language, they were all named as louts. Now that is opening up another can of worms. This is not an open and shut instance and to make blanket claims about aplogogies is pie in the sky stuff. All it comes down to who had the money to pursue. It would not be that difficult for people involved to say that either their privacy was breach or they were unfairly defamed - it's iust if a judge believes it.

Without knowing all the facts of personal circumstances the best bet would be for combined action.

Were you the lawyer in "The Castle"?

The Defamation Act 2005 (NSW) is the template legislation that applies uniformly across Australia.

Here is a useful information source: http://www.turnerfreeman.com.au/nsw/defamation-claims/


Edited by biscuitman1871: 22/11/2015 12:08:36 PM


TSF is very right. The truth is not really a defence, the law and the truth are two separate things. Thats why getting a good lawyer is the most important thing. Thats why i said get a group and go to the bar association and legal aid. There will be people there willing to help you if there is a group and a big enough claim against them.

"The law and the truth are two separate things"????

Here is the law, the truth is a defence:

Quote:
DEFAMATION ACT 2005 - SECT 25

Defence of justification
25 Defence of justification

It is a defence to the publication of defamatory matter if the defendant proves that the defamatory imputations carried by the matter of which the plaintiff complains are substantially true.


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biscuitman1871 wrote:
lolitsbigmic wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


As I said, having been involved in defamation law truth is not a defence. Somebody can be telling the truth about you and you can still sue.

The other matter is the use of language, they were all named as louts. Now that is opening up another can of worms. This is not an open and shut instance and to make blanket claims about aplogogies is pie in the sky stuff. All it comes down to who had the money to pursue. It would not be that difficult for people involved to say that either their privacy was breach or they were unfairly defamed - it's iust if a judge believes it.

Without knowing all the facts of personal circumstances the best bet would be for combined action.

Were you the lawyer in "The Castle"?

The Defamation Act 2005 (NSW) is the template legislation that applies uniformly across Australia.

Here is a useful information source: http://www.turnerfreeman.com.au/nsw/defamation-claims/


Edited by biscuitman1871: 22/11/2015 12:08:36 PM


TSF is very right. The truth is not really a defence, the law and the truth are two separate things. Thats why getting a good lawyer is the most important thing. Thats why i said get a group and go to the bar association and legal aid. There will be people there willing to help you if there is a group and a big enough claim against them.

"The law and the truth are two separate things"????

Here is the law, the truth is a defence:

Quote:
DEFAMATION ACT 2005 - SECT 25

Defence of justification
25 Defence of justification

It is a defence to the publication of defamatory matter if the defendant proves that the defamatory imputations carried by the matter of which the plaintiff complains are substantially true.


Its the legal truth, not what happened, there is a difference. The newspaper will use that defense against someone that never been banned or banned removed but has been ejected from a number of games.
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lolitsbigmic wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
lolitsbigmic wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Not sure biscuit man if you understand defamation law. Truth is not always a defence.

I am pretty sure I do understand it as it applies in Australia post 2005.

Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


As I said, having been involved in defamation law truth is not a defence. Somebody can be telling the truth about you and you can still sue.

The other matter is the use of language, they were all named as louts. Now that is opening up another can of worms. This is not an open and shut instance and to make blanket claims about aplogogies is pie in the sky stuff. All it comes down to who had the money to pursue. It would not be that difficult for people involved to say that either their privacy was breach or they were unfairly defamed - it's iust if a judge believes it.

Without knowing all the facts of personal circumstances the best bet would be for combined action.

Were you the lawyer in "The Castle"?

The Defamation Act 2005 (NSW) is the template legislation that applies uniformly across Australia.

Here is a useful information source: http://www.turnerfreeman.com.au/nsw/defamation-claims/


Edited by biscuitman1871: 22/11/2015 12:08:36 PM


TSF is very right. The truth is not really a defence, the law and the truth are two separate things. Thats why getting a good lawyer is the most important thing. Thats why i said get a group and go to the bar association and legal aid. There will be people there willing to help you if there is a group and a big enough claim against them.

"The law and the truth are two separate things"????

Here is the law, the truth is a defence:

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DEFAMATION ACT 2005 - SECT 25

Defence of justification
25 Defence of justification

It is a defence to the publication of defamatory matter if the defendant proves that the defamatory imputations carried by the matter of which the plaintiff complains are substantially true.


Its the legal truth, not what happened, there is a difference. The newspaper will use that defense against someone that never been banned or banned removed but has been ejected from a number of games.

See above

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Those people who have been banned and are named/photos in the article would not succeed in relation to defamation as it is substantially true.

If you have been named or your photo appears and you have not been banned, you should seek legal advice. It is most likely that the first piece of advice you will receive will be to ask the publisher to remove the article and issue an apology before you commence any legal action. Failure to accept a reasonable offer of amends by the publisher can be used as a defence.


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Yeah, but they don't have to see an apology. They can launch legal action if they believe damage has been done. Also it's not just the naming, it;s the use of language and they way they were all blanket described.

Are you just copying and pasting things you get off the internet?
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tsf wrote:
Yeah, but they don't have to see an apology. They can launch legal action if they believe damage has been done. Also it's not just the naming, it;s the use of language and they way they were all blanket described.

Are you just copying and pasting things you get off the internet?

No and you are not reading what I wrote.

What I said was that if you were named or your photo appeared when you were not banned, then you should get legal advice, and that it was likely that the first piece of advice you would get would be to approach the publisher.

The individuals named had the reason for their banning published - that is not a blanket description.

The use of terms like "louts" in the article or the headline would probably be defended as contextually true.

Anyway, anyone who thinks they have been defamed will be seeking legal advice from people who can separate the law from the emotion

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Can I ask as many people as possible lodge a complaint with the Australian communications and media authority at acma.gov.au and at the Australian press council at presscouncil.org.au

On my phone so can't link.

Edited by u4486662: 22/11/2015 10:55:42 AM


This. Complaining on here won't do anything. Show them this crap won't fly.
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lol fuck me dead. This has angered me to no end.

Wilson paints as some sort of awful code where people get bashed wherever they walk. I HATE that notion that we're an unsafe code. We're not.

We have our issues but no more or less than other sports. Gallop is 100% right with his comments yet Wilson paints this agenda that our code is dying because of it. 13,000 crowd averages, steady TV audiences and good interest. The level of misinformation is breathtakingly dangerous and I hope most people don't take it at face value.


As you are probably well aware Rebecca Wilson, has had a reputation for her anti-football views, and she will spew out any bullshit to put down the real football. Rebecca Wilson, is an embarrassment and disgrace to profession of journalism, and people like her is why I no longer buy that poor excuse for a newspaper known as the Daily Telegraph (I prefer the Sydney Morning Herald, more balanced reporting).

Rugby League has had it's fare share of crowd, player violence, but the bogan media seem to be very selective when reporting this, for example I used to attend a lot of one day cricket back in the 1980's and the level of alcohol related violence that used to go on was terrible, but conveniently not reported by the media.

Me thinks, that Rebecca Wilson and her ilk, feel threatened by the inroads being made by football against her beloved Rugby League
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Anyone who supports the media in showing pictures of any fans banned in the past especially in a week where there was no football violence has got to be the biggest dickhead in the world.
I really hope I don't read any comments here by any dickheads saying these fans deserved it whether guilty or not. Never in the past has something like this happened in any other code.
The media and especially 2GB and Daily Telegraph I've hated for over 10 years now because I've learnt to not believe a thing read from these cunts.
What I'm most disgusted in is the fact the Police have helped get these pictures out to the media. Seriously they can go fuck themselves what a disgustingly low act on their behalf.
ACAB can get chanted loud and clear now and I honestly wouldn't have a problem with it in future. Secret sauces aye. We all know which dogs revealed the pictures it's pretty obvious.
This shit should be illegal but the fact they have been banned by the FFA will make it legal by the Daily Telegraph to publish. Many fans have beat their cases in court yet still fans bans from the FFA so the FFA should also be ashamed of themselves for not revoking those bans of people who now have their faces in the paper even though they are innocent in the courts.
FFA really need to come out and slag the fuck out of the Daily Telegraph but it's all our fans that need to wake the fuck up more importantly and ditch this shit paper like I have many years ago.
I'm not even one of the fans with my face in the paper but I can't explain how fucking pissed off and angered I am. This shit should be illegal and a few people should be losing their jobs over this. Total disgrace and if any so called football fan supports this you should be ashamed of yourself because you too are part of the problem.
This isn't something where everyone's opinion should be respected because it's so obvious this is wrong and disgusting.

Edited by robstazzz: 22/11/2015 12:25:46 AM


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Great post, and I too have lost all respect for 2GB and the Daily Telegraph, because they are full of BS, and biased reporting.
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Cue angry dickheads that will make the matter worse by chanting ACAB and adding to the negative image in mainstream media

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