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grazorblade wrote:ok it doesn't look like it is a second Higgs particle. It appears to not have the same couplings as a higgs its combined significance is 4.5 sigma so almost a discovery
It decays into quarks photons and gluons. There are many candidates for what it is. Will have to wait a while to see
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ok it doesn't look like it is a second Higgs particle. It appears to not have the same couplings as a higgs its combined significance is 4.5 sigma so almost a discovery
It decays into quarks photons and gluons. There are many candidates for what it is. Will have to wait a while to see
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Buggalugs - you should...
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs I've always wondered, does the bible allow for alien life? Allows for other dimensions, so whatever lives there could turn up and who knows where people will guess they're from.
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SocaWho wrote:i find it mysterious how ancient history of all civilisations have some sort of reference to dragons Telling stories of encounters of dangerous crocodiles or snakes. The audience doesn't listen so you add a little size to the animal. Next time your neighbour's story is better than your's so the crocodile can now breath fire and fly.
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i find it mysterious how ancient history of all civilisations have some sort of reference to dragons
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The bible doesn't directly say anything about alien life. It can be pretty well inferred that the existence of aliens is pretty much a no go, though.
a: Earth was created before the rest of the universe. b: God states that all animals are currently now afraid of mankind. c: The sun, stars and moon were specifically created with the sole purposes of providing light to mankind and for man to be able to measure time.
In any case, trying to find any kind of relevant linkage between the ramblings of sheepherders who would have sex with 7 year old children and alien life is a bit of a stretch.
Let's just keep it at = the bible states that the moon is a light source in the sense that it produces its own light just like the sun. Oh, and bats are birds. So it's not the greatest place to go looking for avenues of scientific inquiry.
Edit: Also, angels are nothing like what people imagine them as, like EG just said. They have four faces and four wings, their feet are shiny, The faces are: one human, one ox, one lion, on eagle. So it'd be a bit weird for an alien to be made up of parts of life only found on Earth.
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The bible doesn't rule out the existence of aliens, but it doesn't really make sense for them to exist. If man was created in the image of God, in that it possessed characteristic of said creator, it wouldn't make much sense for a more intelligent life form to have been created. So most Chrsitians would probably say that they don't see how aliens fit into everything.
As for Angels, that simply means 'messenger', so while we tend to think of gay men with long hair in white robes with wings and halo, it probably just means someone with a 'message' from God, in some circumstances anyway.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs I've always wondered, does the bible allow for alien life? Angels
I used to be Drunken_Fish
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There's a good doco on Netflix about the LHC, probs a few years old now but
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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The complexity of the physics involved may be difficult for us to grasp but the potential discoveries with this technology is overwhelming.
For example, we wouldn't have modern telecommunications or satellite navigation of any form if it wasn't for many discoveries especially Einstein's theory of general relativity and the photoelectric effect.
Sometimes it just takes the best part of 100 years for the technology to become practical. But its still VERY important.
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SocaWho wrote:i think a lot of religions forbid mastarbation ... fuck religion Fuck religion Fuck yourself instead.
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i think a lot of religions forbid mastarbation ... fuck religion
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs I've always wondered, does the bible allow for alien life? Apart from Angels and Demons appearing in physical form Actually, come to think of it, the Mormons believe in aliens, no? Admittedly, The Book Of Mormon is a bit revisionist... Mormons and Scientologists have space aliens in their religions. I'm sure there are others. Doesn't matter. All religions modify themselves to suit the truth when they have no choice. Surely some Bishop or Iman will miraculously find an obscure text passage that opens the door if interpreted in the right way to their religions particular holy book always acknowledging the existence of said alien. The Bible's got plenty of Non-humans already, no need to make any up.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs I've always wondered, does the bible allow for alien life? Apart from Angels and Demons appearing in physical form Actually, come to think of it, the Mormons believe in aliens, no? Admittedly, The Book Of Mormon is a bit revisionist... Mormons and Scientologists have space aliens in their religions. I'm sure there are others. Doesn't matter. All religions modify themselves to suit the truth when they have no choice. Surely some Bishop or Iman will miraculously find an obscure text passage that opens the door if interpreted in the right way to their religions particular holy book always acknowledging the existence of said alien.
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Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs I've always wondered, does the bible allow for alien life? Apart from Angels and Demons appearing in physical form Actually, come to think of it, the Mormons believe in aliens, no? Admittedly, The Book Of Mormon is a bit revisionist...
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs I've always wondered, does the bible allow for alien life? Apart from Angels and Demons appearing in physical form
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs I've always wondered, does the bible allow for alien life? No idea, I'm agnostic
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rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs I've always wondered, does the bible allow for alien life?
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grazorblade wrote:SocaWho wrote:wheres Dr Karl when you need him:d I take it my laymen explanations failed :( Soooo..... Im going to try a Dr Karl here for you and interpret this (I may be extremely wrong) The Higgs Boson particle is inside everything. It is what gives us Mass, not in the same way 2lt Coke and 1kg of Doritos gives you mass but more in that it interacts with gravity for us. Physics is about understanding the universe and putting all the discoveries into a system that people can use to predict stuff or help work stuff out. This system is called the 'standard model' and it covers 90% of everything we understand. You drop a ball - it falls? why? Gravity. Why? look in the standard model. it explains shit. What about the stuff it doesn't explain? Well this is where predictions come in. You can use the standard model and look at something weird like the center of a black hole and say "I reckon if there was a new particle that accounted for this weirdness then we would understand this black hole". Using MATHS and the standard model scientists can guesstimate the weight of the hypothetical unknown particle. Then they can smash atoms in the LHC at really really really really fast speed and see if in the wreckage any new particles equal the weight of the one they are looking for. SOOOOooooo.... A common prediction in physics is super symmetry, we have already found the Higgs Boson, but super symmetry would be alot clearer if there were 2 of the little buggers every where, not just one....
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grazorblade wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs This :lol: Space just doesn't interest me at all really. Unless it's life and stuff on other planets... this is particle physics not astro... Astrophysics
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grazorblade wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs This :lol: Space just doesn't interest me at all really. Unless it's life and stuff on other planets... this is particle physics not astro... EG :oops:
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Eastern Glory wrote:rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs This :lol: Space just doesn't interest me at all really. Unless it's life and stuff on other planets... this is particle physics not astro...
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rusty wrote:Wake me up when they find aliens ffs This :lol: Space just doesn't interest me at all really. Unless it's life and stuff on other planets...
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RedshirtWilly wrote:The extent of my knowledge of the Higgs Boson is it pretty much explains everything about the universe.
What it explains - no idea just how everything gets mass and why probabilities add to 1
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SocaWho wrote:wheres Dr Karl when you need him:d I take it my laymen explanations failed :(
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The extent of my knowledge of the Higgs Boson is it pretty much explains everything about the universe.
What it explains - no idea
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wheres Dr Karl when you need him:d
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The atom is made of protons neutrons and electrons. Protons and neutrons are made of quarks and elecrrons are a category of particles known as leptons. A leptoquark can decay into leptons and quarks. A quark can decay into a lepton and a leptoquark. They are also scalar particle so the scalar fields can roll toward a minimum in the leptoquark direction. If there was an early universe phase where the leptoquark field had a nonzero value everywhere it would mean the universe would be full of a quantum charge known as colour charge and some cool weird and wacky physics would happen in this phase.
They also allow protons to decay into other particles but at this mass and the type of leptoquark people are talking about it would such a rare event we would not have seen it.
As for all the stuff about significance and sigmas. Picture the LHC as a radio. As you scroll the tuner accross the freqencies you look for particles rather than radio stations. Mostly you will get background static but occasionally you git a whir or a buzz. Some of these whirs and buzzes are radio stations (parti les) others are just coincidences. If you graphed sound vs frequency you can work out the average amount of static and measure the deviations from this average with a measurement called a standard deviation or a sigma. Buzzes and whirrs are 2 to 4 sigma signals. The larger the sigma the less likely it is to go away. 3 sigmas usually go away but still generate excitement. 4 sigmas occasional go away but rarely. No 5 sigma signal has gone away so it is usually branded a discovery unless its an astroparticle experiment where things are more noisy and wild. There are 2 detectors at the lhc atlas and cms. The rumour is that one has seen a very heavy 2nd higgs at 2 sigma and the other at 4 sigma. The combined signal if they are at the same mass is 2 squared plus 4 squared all square rooted which is 4.5 sigma. if the particles have a large mass seperation the combined significance would be less than 4 sigma. The rumoured mass is 700GeV which is the amount of energy (converted to mass by e equals mc squared) that an electron gets in a 700 billion volt kick. This is too heavy for it to be a loner extra higgs (known as a two higgs doublet model) because unitarity becomes a problem. If the signal is real you have to have a extra particles so supersymmetry becomes more likely (its allready reasonably likely for a number of reasons)
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I'm glad I left physics before it got too hard.
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