why do you think Australian 2nd div teams will get more money from sponsorship then Dutch 2nd div teams?

Edited by adrtho: 18/3/2016 02:06:02 PM

why do you think Australian 2nd div teams will get more money from sponsorship then Dutch 2nd div teams?

Because that's how much clubs like Canberra, NQF, Tasmania, Wollongong, Geelong and other teams in the waiting have proven is sitting and waiting for them (and more than $500k)

People might be quick to point out the disadvantages of our land mass but the real advantage is it creates distinct geographical regions and better sponsorship opportunities

$500k is small change for giving these regions their own team that can attract a consolidated playing pool of Australia's next best talent, secondary media coverage in news and print, and the chance for an A League contract even if it is only every other year. I think you'll find it would come straight from their local councils

Because that's how much clubs like Canberra, NQF, Tasmania, Wollongong, Geelong and other teams in the waiting have proven is sitting and waiting for them (and more than $500k)

People might be quick to point out the disadvantages of our land mass but the real advantage is it creates distinct geographical regions and better sponsorship opportunities

$500k is small change for giving these regions their own team that can attract a consolidated playing pool of Australia's next best talent, secondary media coverage in news and print, and the chance for an A League contract even if it is only every other year. I think you'll find it would come straight from their local councils

Is that $500k sitting there awaiting for them if they're in the top flight or if they're in a second tier that might not be televised?

Because that's how much clubs like Canberra, NQF, Tasmania, Wollongong, Geelong and other teams in the waiting have proven is sitting and waiting for them (and more than $500k)

People might be quick to point out the disadvantages of our land mass but the real advantage is it creates distinct geographical regions and better sponsorship opportunities

$500k is small change for giving these regions their own team that can attract a consolidated playing pool of Australia's next best talent, secondary media coverage in news and print, and the chance for an A League contract even if it is only every other year. I think you'll find it would come straight from their local councils

you are just making number up aren't you? i just look at SANFL clubs (Aussie rules in SA) and you can become main shirt sponsorship for $25k

stop making numbers up

Please provide sources for each SANFL club mate, otherwise you're painting an entire state's worth of clubs with the same brush.

you are just making number up aren't you? i just look at SANFL clubs (Aussie rules in SA) and you can become main shirt sponsorship for $25k

stop making numbers up

Promotion and relegation in Australia: It’s been done before
By John Duerden | 1 day ago
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David Gallop
The debate over promotion and relegation in Australia reminds me of South Korea in 2011, the year before it was introduced. The ‘Let’s wait/It’ll be great/It won’t work here mate’ to-and-fro.


Football folk tend to be conservative, viewing change with suspicion but then adapting to it very quickly once it happens. Introducing three points for a win in England in 1981 had its opposition (and still does) but within weeks, it had been largely accepted and was then slowly adopted by everyone else.

In Korea what happened when and since relegation came into play was what often happens when there is a big change after polarising debate: it is not the promised land that its supporters claimed it would be, but neither is it the dystopia narrated by naysayers.

My status as the 21st most influential person in Korea football in 2009 (as voted by 442 magazine) meant that it was only right and proper that I attended a few discussions in Seoul. Around the same time my team Blackburn Rovers, helpfully, started to flirt with the drop from the English Premier League.

The arguments for and against would mostly be familiar ones to Aussie fans, though every country is different of course.

Korea is certainly unique in its football culture. There had been a quick experiment in 2006 to have promotion but the winner of the all second-tier playoff (defeating a deeply Christian team called Ansan Hallelujah that, instead of a pre-match huddle, lined up in the shape of cross before kick off and prayed. Journalists dreaded interviews with the players as they usually ended with enthusiastic invitations to attend church the following Sunday) then refused to take their place in the top tier.

The introduction of genuine promotion and relegation in 2012 happened for three main reasons.

The first was that there was growing pressure from the AFC. The confederation had long complained that one of the continent’s strongest leagues, and the dominant power (more so at the time than now) in the Asian Champions League, did not have promotion and relegation. This is going to happen more and more in regard to Australia. The AFC is going to push.

Second and more pressing was the match-fixing scandal of 2011. It was a major outbreak and shocked authorities and everyone else. It resulted in a massive drive to make the game more professional and that had to extend as far down the pyramid as possible.

And there was already a second tier. It was a question of trying to make this as competitive as possible.

So the initiative came from the K-League working with the support of the KFA, not the clubs themselves as may have to happen in Australia.

The main argument against relegation was that if a club went down, the owners would pull the plug.

The change in thinking at the top was that this may not actually happen and in most cases it probably would not. The second division is not the end, especially as it grows and improves.

The right-thinking owners would see it as a challenge to get back to the top tier as soon as possible, and if they didn’t and really wanted to bail then so be it: for the league a bit of short-term pain would, hopefully, be worth it for long-term gain.

It took relegation a while to get going (the K-League’s split system, where the 12 teams split into two groups near the end, does not help. This takes attention away from the bottom half).

There has been mostly yo-yoing between the top two flights and it was not until last season that the second tier started to show some life. A new team in Seoul E-Land spent a bit of cash, got former Vancouver Whitecaps coach Martin Rennie and plenty of talented and experienced Koreans.

There was a real promotion battle with improving and ambitious teams willing to spend to get into the top tier. This group of three or four teams is starting to lift standards.

The relegated teams have been reasonably enthusiastic, Gyeongnam – a team that was struggling before the drop – perhaps excepted, but the real test will come this season.

Busan I’Park is a former Korean and Asian champion but has been badly run and poorly financed for years. Even so, it was still a shock to see a former powerhouse take a tumble in 2015.

I spent some time with the club during pre-season in Thailand, and there was a determination to get back into the top tier. Some said relegation was the wake-up call needed. Time will tell.

Korea’s relegation experiment has been a modest success despite the fact that it was thrown together quickly. The second tier is slowly improving and there is a hope that this season Suwon FC, the first team to be promoted that had not come down from the first division, can shine.

Nobody is expecting a Leicester-like scenario but you never know. With promotion and relegation, such dreams are possible.

you are just making number up aren't you? i just look at SANFL clubs (Aussie rules in SA) and you can become main shirt sponsorship for $25k

stop making numbers up

In Korea what happened when and since relegation came into play was what often happens when there is a big change after polarising debate: it is not the promised land that its supporters claimed it would be, but neither is it the dystopia narrated by naysayers.

I find it ironic that someone from the Ukraine thinks he speaks on behalf of local Australian clubs and fans. Who the fuck are you.

And those teams have the same population as the regions above?


Besides, the SANFL is largely irrelevant. When was the last time an AFL team played an SANFL team?

The AFL had a national cup and it was a failure

NQF were willing to pay $1m for a youth league team. Compare that with the $25k councils are willing to invest into SANFL clubs and it shows the large gap between the two codes between top tier investment and the next tier down


The AFL is a stand alone elitist league that controls 100% of the teams, players, fans and interest

Football is a global game where over 600 teams in this country alone have relevance and aspirations. There are plenty of games between the teams in the preseason


Different games and different mindsets. That's (another reason) why the current A League approach fails

K-League Average attendance
2009>>>11,226
2010>>>10,941
2011>>>11,634
Relegation
2012>>>7,045
2013>>>7,652
2014>>>7,932
2015>>>7,720

anyone know why there was 35% drop in Average attendance after relegation came in

maybe we all join hands and jump together

I find it ironic that someone from the Ukraine thinks he speaks on behalf of local Australian clubs and fans. Who the fuck are you.

:lol: surely people don't actually believe this,,,it not true

How to be adthro :

half the time you want to write "it's" just write "it"
leave off occasional end of past tenses such as look(ed)
leave out occasional "the" or "an"
Don't use capital letters at the start of a sentence
Occasional obvious errors like "then" and "than"

Yet have a complete grasp of complex grammatical structures when on a rant and full knowledge of idioms and colloquialisms and Australian social and political history as well as football

I have to admit, if wasn't for times he forget to make this errors I would have been fool too

I would almost hazard a guess he has a partner for whom English is not their first language and is quite well versed in the mistakes such a person would make

let all stand and sing, with are hand on ours heart

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I'd hazard a guess at South East Asian.

I wonder....

:lol: surely people don't actually believe this,,,it not true

How to be adthro :

half the time you want to write "it's" just write "it"
leave off occasional end of past tenses such as look(ed)
leave out occasional "the" or "an"
Don't use capital letters at the start of a sentence
Occasional obvious errors like "then" and "than"

Yet have a complete grasp of complex grammatical structures when on a rant and full knowledge of idioms and colloquialisms and Australian social and political history as well as football

I have to admit, if wasn't for times he forget to make this errors I would have been fool too

I would almost hazard a guess he has a partner for whom English is not their first language and is quite well versed in the mistakes such a person would make

Edited by davide82: 18/3/2016 05:00:17 PM

So because Bournemouth have an 11000 capacity stadium, you think the average attendance figure for the league won't drop?

Stats genius.

Edited by Draupnir: 18/3/2016 05:04:59 PM

you are just making number up aren't you? i just look at SANFL clubs (Aussie rules in SA) and you can become main shirt sponsorship for $25k

stop making numbers up

You must be living under a rock? South Melbourne in the current market place is nearly at $500K in Sponsorship.
Heidelberg, Bentliegh, Bulleen, Oakleigh etc are acheiving $250K in Sponsorship.
The worst performing club in Victorian NPL has $40K in Sponsorship.
Mazenod United in State 3 has over $100K in sponsorship.

Go figure.

And i get banned on this forum. Fuck sake.

But old mate Joffa doesn't hate ardtho

But old mate Joffa doesn't hate ardtho

oh, i think Joffa does.., Joffa just doesn't feel the need to say it

Edited by adrtho: 18/3/2016 06:24:50 PM

No one like you.