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Quote:China Target One Million Rugby Players Within Ten Years Via Alisports And World Rugby Agreement Conor Malone April 12, 2016 43 Views
Rugby Union’s global expansion is set to continue as news released this week of a lucrative agreement in China between Alisports and World Rugby which is aimed at promoting and expanding the presence of the sport in the country with the goal of producing one million players over the next ten years.
After the news broke last week that the United States of America is taking steps in it’s efforts to establish itself as a rugby playing nation with the unveiling of its new ‘PRO’ rugby domestic league, China now are making similar end-roads as a significant investment is to be made in order to develop the game in the mainland.
Zhang Dazhong, CEO of Alisports, signed the agreement with World Rugby chairman Bernard Lapasset and chief executive Brett Gosper in which the sports arm of e-commerce giant Alibaba will pump in millions of dollars into the development of the sport in China.
“We hope to have one million players in 10 years time,” said Zhang. “With one million players it is easier to become a world-class rugby nation.”
The move is seen as a huge investment in Rugby in China by the conglomerate as Alisports is set to become an official partner of World Rugby, while also gaining broadcasting rights of Rugby events and becoming involved in the development of the game in China from grassroots level in establishing a league competition and attracting major rugby tournaments to the country.
One of Alibaba’s predominant strengths in securing this deal is it’s access to over 400 million customers, and according to Gosper, it is a major breakthrough for World Rugby’s attempts to spark growth in China.
“It’s hugely significant for us, this partnership,” he said. “It will rapidly accelerate development at grassroots level in China and we will help condition China to host events on our calendar and provide a pathway for their players to play in the Olympics, sevens and fifteens.”
Zhang has stated that “10 years will be good enough to produce some good players for China and then we’ll decide if we will have another 10 years with the World Rugby”.
Rugby’s recent increase in global popularity can be alluded to the inclusion of Rugby Sevens in the Olympics as there has been a huge increase in backing in the sport from many of the Olympic superpowers.
It can’t be overstated just how much of a positive impact this inclusion has had, and will have on the health of the game, with millions more people now being exposed to the sport.
http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/cmalone/83123/
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I think this will be more successful than the AFL
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Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time.
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those Mongolians have some big units
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tbitm wrote:Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time. This.
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tbitm wrote:Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time. why you think that? it work for diving and gymnastics China is ok at Basketball, and many other team sports....China not India, China the country that come 2nd at Olympic games , so they have very good chance at any team sports
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adrtho wrote:tbitm wrote:Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time. why you think that? it work for diving and gymnastics China is ok at Basketball, and many other team sports....China not India, China the country that come 2nd at Olympic games , so they have very good chance at any team sports Cos literally no one else cares about diving or gymnastics.
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TheSelectFew wrote:adrtho wrote:tbitm wrote:Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time. why you think that? it work for diving and gymnastics China is ok at Basketball, and many other team sports....China not India, China the country that come 2nd at Olympic games , so they have very good chance at any team sports Cos literally no one else cares about diving or gymnastics. do you know how many little girls do gymnastics? or where you only thinking about men sport...China already a top women football country Edited by adrtho: 13/4/2016 08:10:52 AM
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adrtho wrote:tbitm wrote:Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time. why you think that? it work for diving and gymnastics China is ok at Basketball, and many other team sports....China not India, China the country that come 2nd at Olympic games , so they have very good chance at any team sports China's system works well for individual sports such as swimming, gymnastics, diving etc.... I did mention at the top that its team sports China will struggle in. You say they're ok at basketball? I guess so since they consistently qualify for the Olympics and FIBA World Cup. However they seem to always lose to basketball powerhouses Lithuania or Greece and narrowly scrape wins from other powerhouses New Zealand and Puerto Rico. It really doesn't bode well for a nation that is more so than most, actually into basketball. Team sports require a multi set of skills compared to that of individual sports. For gym, you can just tell a kid he or she needs to practice backflips until they get it just right. Eventually you will have a star. At that point though you're engineering a human, no decision making qualities have been earned which are fundamental to team sports. Going from what I know about China's system (and there's tonnes upon tonnes of which I don't know), having the overall system choose its athletes instead of leaving it up to personal choice isn't going to lead to competitive teams. Honestly can't believe I'm arguing against Communism to adrtho :lol:
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As for being decent in women's football, I'd knock that down to the same reason the U.S. is the best. Only certain parts of Europe and South America care about women soccer atm. Unfortunately.
I do think this is changing though so i'd expect China to go down in the near future not up
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what inspiring goals for a nation... :oops:
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The US already has millions of registered junior rugby players, they will be a world power within our lifetime. No reason China can't do the same, but until they can replicate the passion for the sport, tbitm's point will stand.
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tbitm wrote:adrtho wrote:tbitm wrote:Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time. why you think that? it work for diving and gymnastics China is ok at Basketball, and many other team sports....China not India, China the country that come 2nd at Olympic games , so they have very good chance at any team sports China's system works well for individual sports such as swimming, gymnastics, diving etc.... I did mention at the top that its team sports China will struggle in. You say they're ok at basketball? I guess so since they consistently qualify for the Olympics and FIBA World Cup. However they seem to always lose to basketball powerhouses Lithuania or Greece and narrowly scrape wins from other powerhouses New Zealand and Puerto Rico. It really doesn't bode well for a nation that is more so than most, actually into basketball. Team sports require a multi set of skills compared to that of individual sports. For gym, you can just tell a kid he or she needs to practice backflips until they get it just right. Eventually you will have a star. At that point though you're engineering a human, no decision making qualities have been earned which are fundamental to team sports. Going from what I know about China's system (and there's tonnes upon tonnes of which I don't know), having the overall system choose its athletes instead of leaving it up to personal choice isn't going to lead to competitive teams. Honestly can't believe I'm arguing against Communism to adrtho :lol: England Won zero Euro cup and one world cup in 1966, yet you will class England a power in football? the thing is....does China show many team into World Champ ship or Olympic games, and the answer is yes
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tbitm wrote:As for being decent in women's football, I'd knock that down to the same reason the U.S. is the best. Only certain parts of Europe and South America care about women soccer atm. Unfortunately.
I do think this is changing though so i'd expect China to go down in the near future not up yes..the countries that have money, and system in places...that another sign of will be success
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Consistently finishing in the quarters or ro16 in a competition where the sport played is the number 1 sport in 80% of countries worldwide is more impressive than coming 6th-16th in a sport where it's the number 1 sport in none
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tbitm wrote:Consistently finishing in the quarters or ro16 in a competition where the sport played is the number 1 sport in 80% of countries worldwide is more impressive than coming 6th-16th in a sport where it's the number 1 sport in none
Edited by tbitm: 13/4/2016 08:37:52 PM says who? coming 16th in just mens football isn't a great sign that country will stay there if you look at Spain, they never won anything in Football on till Spain start to become good at many other sports , othetr Team sports , Tennis, Golf
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adrtho wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:adrtho wrote:tbitm wrote:Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time. why you think that? it work for diving and gymnastics China is ok at Basketball, and many other team sports....China not India, China the country that come 2nd at Olympic games , so they have very good chance at any team sports Cos literally no one else cares about diving or gymnastics. do you know how many little girls do gymnastics? or where you only thinking about men sport...China already a top women football country Edited by adrtho: 13/4/2016 08:10:52 AM adrtho is right. Even in Australia, gymnastics is really popular with girls. Same goes for the UK, the States, France, never mind countries like Russia and China.
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tbitm wrote:Forcing kids to play rugby won't make China a competitive rugby nation the same way forcing them to play soccer won't either. Between China's Communist governing style and Authoritative culture I can't see them being very competitive at team sports in the near future
Not perfect information sure, but speaking as someone who has had homestay students from China. Parents will force their kids into sports based on what the government is promoting at the time, for mine currently it was soccer. From there they do tests such as sprinting, kicking accuracy tests, kicking distance tests to determine who goes on to the next round of testing and so on.
God knows what happens from your parents should you fail these this test.
So what you're left with is you're most athletically talented kids, maybe with a passion for the sport, maybe only doing it out of fear for the consequences from their parents. What you miss out on is the kids with a passion willing to work harder not because they have to but because they want to. My under 13/14 coach could've coached one of Australia's greatest Socceroos, Marco Bresciano back when he was 14 but dropped him from the super league team cause he wasn't good enough. Couple years later he was playing seniors and by 17 he was playing in the NSL
These are the type of players China will always miss out on. Doesn't matter how many kids you get to play, Uruguay with its passionate footballing culture and its tiny 4mil population will beat you every time. Good post. Valid points raised but I still have a sneaking suspicion that the Chinese might be able to force kids into becoming world beaters at team-sports. Very interesting point looking at the psychological requirements of team-sports versus individual sports (in which the Chinese excel). There may be something in it. But I'm not sure to what extent. If you need passion to succeed in a team sport, you need it to excel in an individual sport. Maybe not to the same extent, but certainly you do. And I question the idea that one can't excel in something they're not passionate about. It's not healthy. But it's possible. The other thing is that you can grow an interest or even a passion for something you loathe. Read Mao's Last Dancer by Li Cunxin. When he was a kid, he hated ballet. But he forced himself to practise and practise until he became brilliant. And, if memory serves, he developed a passion for it eventually. China's such a fucking big country. If they had enough kids like that. Kids who are forced to play football or rugby. Then, eventually, they could still become dangerously good at it just by the law of averages and the discipline with which they go about things. It's nothing like we have in Australia (probably for the best). I think it boils down to extent. It's possible for the nation to become seriously good at the sports, somewhere between a lack of passion and nationwide enthusiasm.
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China are so over rated at basketball its not funny. I remember they sent there strongest team to the Stankovic cup to prepare for the Bejing olympics. We sent our team full of NBL players when the competition was at its worst and still won.
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switters wrote:China are so over rated at basketball its not funny. I remember they sent there strongest team to the Stankovic cup to prepare for the Bejing olympics. We sent our team full of NBL players when the competition was at its worst and still won. again..your just talking about mens sports ...and teams (countries) go up and down with in a range ...China 14th in basketanll base on FIBA rankings If we look at Italy (who was strong at many team sports) they look to be falling in many team sports, Football , .basketball all of them
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switters wrote:China are so over rated at basketball its not funny. I remember they sent there strongest team to the Stankovic cup to prepare for the Bejing olympics. We sent our team full of NBL players when the competition was at its worst and still won. The only decent player they had was Yao Ming Even their other Nba players were shit
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:SocaWho wrote:switters wrote:China are so over rated at basketball its not funny. I remember they sent there strongest team to the Stankovic cup to prepare for the Bejing olympics. We sent our team full of NBL players when the competition was at its worst and still won. The only decent player they had was Yao Ming Even their other Nba players were shit The born and raised in California Jeremy Lin isn't really a great example of good Chinese basketball :lol:
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This what Australia should focus on. Australia has some of the world best coaches and players. Big potential. Rugby can grow from a niche sport to be as big as football in China- by AFP
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RUGBY can grow from a niche sport to be as big as football in China and eventually rival the cash-rich Chinese Super League in popularity, the head of the sport in the world’s most populous nation said. Wang Liwei, head of the Chinese Rugby Football Association, said China’s President Xi Jinping was a rugby fan and Beijing had thrown its weight behind the drive to popularise what is known as the ‘olive ball game.’ Although China has only a small number of players, e-commerce giant Alibaba plans to plough US$100 million into rugby over the next decade, setting up professional men’s and women’s leagues and expanding the playing base to one million in just five years. Wang, speaking through an interpreter at this week’s Hong Kong 10s, where China’s CRFA Gladiators were competing, admitted it would take “years” to build rugby in China but he said there was great potential. “We are still at the initial stage. We hope... we can make rugby more popular in China — of course as big as the Super League,” said Wang. A top-level push to turn China into a football superpower has prompted massive investment by the country’s clubs and conglomerates, attracting elite players and coaches. Whether rugby, which lacks football’s traditional following and club structure in China, can tread a similar path is open to question. The country of 1.3 billion has just 1000 registered players and rugby will face competition from other sports, including American football’s NFL, which are also trying to establish themselves in China. — No deadline for league — Wang said China would make fast-paced rugby sevens a “priority” after its successful inclusion in the Olympics, although the Chinese failed to qualify for the event at last year’s Rio Games. China are also absent from this week’s Hong Kong Sevens but Wang said China would host a series of sevens competitions this year in cities including Shenzhen, which sits on the border with semi-autonomous Hong Kong. Despite the emphasis on sevens, Wang insisted China would not “give up” on the 15s version of the game, adding: “We will learn from other countries to set up professional 15s clubs.” But he admitted there was no firm deadline for establishing a men’s professional 15s league, with the CRFA only aiming for at least four clubs from 2018. China’s rugby fanbase is small, Wang said, with foreign fans and university students set to provide the bulk of support. He said World Rugby’s ‘Get Into Rugby’ project would help build interest among schoolchildren, and hoped that one day, homegrown rugby players would become popular heart-throbs. Wang said Chinese parents were increasingly willing to let their children play the game, despite concerns about injuries on the field. “Even though they maybe have a little concern about the strong confrontation between the players, (parents) hope through the game and competition children can build up the spirit of teamwork and make friends,” Wang said. China’s drive may also get a boost from the 2019 World Cup in Asian neighbour Japan, where rugby has been played for more than a century. http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/rugby-can-grow-from-a-niche-sport-to-be-as-big-as-football-in-china/news-story/8b7bd91bd4de67ec6e31f59a334da339
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They probably need to concentrate more on consolidating the sport in Australia at the moment. Three Super Rugby teams from Australia are facing the chop next season (and pretty much other than the Brumbies the Aussie teams fill the bottom places of the Aust-NZ group). Then on top of that their crowds and TV money have fallen behind the A-League (if I am not mistaken).
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+xThey probably need to concentrate more on consolidating the sport in Australia at the moment. Three Super Rugby teams from Australia are facing the chop next season (and pretty much other than the Brumbies the Aussie teams fill the bottom places of the Aust-NZ group). Then on top of that their crowds and TV money have fallen behind the A-League (if I am not mistaken). China can do football with any country in the world. The health of the super rugby doesnt realy effect the tacit knowledge Australia has for rugby.
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But what about that game that only Australia plays? Please make us relevant!
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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