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Quote:Rise in Queensland babies surviving late-term abortions and being left to die, figures show
By Josh Bavas
Posted about an hour ago
Twenty-seven babies survived late-term abortions in Queensland hospitals last year but were not rendered care and allowed to die, figures released by Health Minister Cameron Dick have shown.
The babies were of five months gestation or more.
The information was released by Mr Dick this week after he was asked a Question on Notice by Member for Cleveland Dr Mark Robinson in May.
Mr Dick also provided the number of 'live birth' abortions for the last 10 years, which shows a steady increase of those that survive.
Calendar year
Terminations with live birth outcome
2005 8
2006 16
2007 20
2008 15
2009 13
2010 17
2011 20
2012 20
2013 23
2014 25
2015 27
Total 204
Queensland Health confirmed that in such cases, care is not rendered to the baby after a decision to terminate is made and it is left to perish in the clinic.
But the release also shows the actual number could be a lot higher.
"I am advised these numbers represent less than 0.05 per cent of the total number of live births each year (including all hospitals in Queensland, both public and private hospitals combined)," Mr Dick said.
Mr Dick said such procedures were done in accordance to the Queensland Maternity and Neonatal Clinical Guideline: Therapeutic termination of pregnancy.
"There are almost always severe circumstances leading to a small number of women who choose to terminate a pregnancy after 20 weeks' gestation," he said.
"The number of termination procedures where babies are born with signs of life at this stage is a very small proportion of the total live births each year in Queensland."
Pro-life group calls for inquiry
Teresa Martin from Cherish Life Queensland said the revelation was shocking and called for an inquiry into the abortion industry in Queensland.
"There is also grave concern about the medical staff who have had to be part of this procedure, perhaps even against their own consciences," she said.
Last month, Independent Queensland MP Rob Pyne put forward a private members' bill to completely legalise abortion in Queensland.
Abortion has been prohibited since 1899, but permissible if there is serious danger to the mother's life or her physical or mental health.
Queensland senator Larissa Waters, who has been campaigning for abortion to be removed from the criminal code, says decriminalising abortion would lead to less late-term terminations.
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I did not know abortion was illegal in Queensland (had a quick look at an info page and illegal in NSW too, but not to the same degree as Qld). An interesting stat would be to see how these numbers compare to other states where abortions are legal (although most have a cut off period, around 14 to 20 weeks). http://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/info-a-resources/facts-and-figures/australian-abortion-law-and-practice
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Wow
Perhaps there are better ways to enforce women's rights than killing babies
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Quote:Queensland Health confirmed that in such cases, care is not rendered to the baby after a decision to terminate is made and it is left to perish in the clinic. What a fucked up bunch of clever clogs. Edited by View from the fence: 16/6/2016 01:15:28 PM
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Mass legal killing of babies is societies biggest crime. Make abortion totally illegal and end the murder of babies. Through anyone who has or performs an abortion in jail and never let them out. The problem here is not that some abortions are illegal, it is that some abortions are legal.
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BETHFC
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Drunken_Fish wrote:Mass legal killing of babies is societies biggest crime. Make abortion totally illegal and end the murder of babies. Through anyone who has or performs an abortion in jail and never let them out. The problem here is not that some abortions are illegal, it is that some abortions are legal. What about rape pregnancies? I think abortion should be legal for rape and cases where the child will not stand a chance with abusive/drug fucked parents.
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BETHFC wrote:Drunken_Fish wrote:Mass legal killing of babies is societies biggest crime. Make abortion totally illegal and end the murder of babies. Through anyone who has or performs an abortion in jail and never let them out. The problem here is not that some abortions are illegal, it is that some abortions are legal. What about rape pregnancies? I think abortion should be legal for rape and cases where the child will not stand a chance with abusive/drug fucked parents. I guess the issue is who are we to make that choice for them? Or similarly you get the case where home-made abortions were more common in the past, or high abandonment / orphans, or children being raised by parents who never wanted them (I would imagine a lot of these kids would grow up with mental issues, that could then relate to social issues for the community).
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Drunken_Fish wrote:Mass legal killing of babies is societies biggest crime. Make abortion totally illegal and end the murder of babies. Through anyone who has or performs an abortion in jail and never let them out. The problem here is not that some abortions are illegal, it is that some abortions are legal. Yep, just like making drugs illegal has given us a drug-free society.
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If you want to reduce late term abortions, provide easy access to safe, legal abortions, and provide adequate s#x education with easy access to contraception.
If you ban abortions, you don't stop them, you just cause death and disfigurement to women.
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Get your wife or girlfriend, who is on the pill, pregnant and then come back and talk sunshine.
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AzzaMarch wrote:If you want to reduce late term abortions, provide easy access to safe, legal abortions, and provide adequate s#x education with easy access to contraception.
If you ban abortions, you don't stop them, you just cause death and disfigurement to women. S#x education is still very poor at school. We continually try to educate our 12yo about the body and sex, because pretty much it is ignored at school (well at least until later years).
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If they're that far through the pregnancy, would rather the parent just give up their rights to the kid and have it adopted out.
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I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.
What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".
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pv4 wrote:I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.
What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed". Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids. No problems at all... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Again, the evidence here is very clear - the more access to education, contraceptives, and abortion services you give teenagers, the lower rates of overall abortion, and the lower rates of late-term abortions you have. Edited by AzzaMarch: 17/6/2016 10:36:28 AM
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AzzaMarch wrote:[quote=pv4]Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.
No problems at all...
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Again, the evidence here is very clear - the more access to education, contraceptives, and abortion services you give teenagers, the lower rates of overall abortion, and the lower rates of late-term abortions you have.
Edited by AzzaMarch: 17/6/2016 10:36:28 AM Love the logic, more abortion clinics = less abortion
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rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:[quote=pv4]Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.
No problems at all...
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Again, the evidence here is very clear - the more access to education, contraceptives, and abortion services you give teenagers, the lower rates of overall abortion, and the lower rates of late-term abortions you have.
Edited by AzzaMarch: 17/6/2016 10:36:28 AM Love the logic, more abortion clinics = less abortion I refuse to believe you are that dumb. But if you need it spelled out, here goes: More contraception & education = less abortions More abortion clinics = less late-term abortions
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No Sex outside Marriage = No Abortions
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More finger banging @ parties = less abortion. -PB
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View from the fence wrote:No Sex outside Marriage = No Abortions Not true.
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AzzaMarch wrote:I refuse to believe you are that dumb. But if you need it spelled out, here goes:
More contraception & education = less abortions
More abortion clinics = less late-term abortions That's not what you said , you said that more abortion services means less overall abortion . Countries like Cuba and Russia where abortion is legal have some of the highest incidence of abortion in the world. Obviously contraception is key but the idea that abortion services correlates with less incidence of abortion is utterly ridiculous.
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AzzaMarch wrote:pv4 wrote:I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.
What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed". Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids. No problems at all... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Surely a good start would be things like both people on welfare can't get said licence. I dunno, I understand how intense it could get in reality but there are people that I'm sure we all know in our lives and you just go "you just should NOT have been allowed to breed".
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pv4 wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:pv4 wrote:I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.
What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed". Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids. No problems at all... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Surely a good start would be things like both people on welfare can't get said licence. I dunno, I understand how intense it could get in reality but there are people that I'm sure we all know in our lives and you just go "you just should NOT have been allowed to breed". Would you be allowed to continue the pregnancy if you lost your job at say 19 weeks ?
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Lets just separate all men and all women from each other and only although sex between a male and female so that an offspring can be produced to be brought up in a properly controlled government facility to ensure only the best reproduce and all children get the best possible education to allow them to be a fully productive member of society. I am sure it would solve all the problems of the world.
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View from the fence wrote:pv4 wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:pv4 wrote:I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.
What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed". Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids. No problems at all... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Surely a good start would be things like both people on welfare can't get said licence. I dunno, I understand how intense it could get in reality but there are people that I'm sure we all know in our lives and you just go "you just should NOT have been allowed to breed". Would you be allowed to continue the pregnancy if you lost your job at say 19 weeks ? I don't have all the answers :lol:
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AzzaMarch wrote:pv4 wrote:I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.
What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed". Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids. No problems at all... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: You need licenses to have certain animals though..... I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support. No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents. I've seen a mother call her infant a c*nt in coles....
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I've never understood the licence to breed thing. Do people without a licence who get pregnant Have forced abortions?
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BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:pv4 wrote:I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.
What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed". Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids. No problems at all... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: You need licenses to have certain animals though..... I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support. No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents. Abused as a kid, did nothing to deserve it Take drugs to cope Then punished again by 'society' by being labelled an unfit human Sickening arrogance
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99 Problems wrote:I've never understood the licence to breed thing. Do people without a licence who get pregnant Have forced abortions? Or perhaps forcible sterilisation? Again, can't see any problems giving govt bureaucracy power to do such things...
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BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:pv4 wrote:I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.
What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed". Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids. No problems at all... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: You need licenses to have certain animals though..... I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support. No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents. I've seen a mother call her infant a c*nt in coles.... Sometimes there are no simple solutions to sh#t situations. Sometimes the proposed simple solution actually creates worse problems. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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