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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch?
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paulc
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And people who the game brought in since 2005 plus sponsors, advertisers, TV etc. Too complex for a bitter I know
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age.  Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
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Aikhme
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age. Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids. Sometimes you got to fight racism with fire. There is a lot of overt racism here. Anyhow, Brisbane is in its last throws! Good riddance to bad rubbish too! The sooner Brisbane dies, the quicker others like SMFC get in!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age. Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids. Sometimes you got to fight racism with fire. There is a lot of overt racism here. Anyhow, Brisbane is in its last throws! Good riddance to bad rubbish too! The sooner Brisbane dies, the quicker others like SMFC get in! You really are a dead set loser, West Adelaide is shit by the way.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age. Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids. Sometimes you got to fight racism with fire. There is a lot of overt racism here. Anyhow, Brisbane is in its last throws! Good riddance to bad rubbish too! The sooner Brisbane dies, the quicker others like SMFC get in! You really are a dead set loser, West Adelaide is shit by the way. Oh, little immature brat! That butt of yours must still be hurting! Awe! I told you to use that ointment! What is it with the youth these days? No brains, lazy and no Football Kulcha!
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Some of you really need to grow up, go outside and get some fresh air at least.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age. Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids. You are obsessed, like a drunk in denial. It seems their labelling about you was right and where is that black kettle again lol. Now about your constant fuck the FFA, down with the HAL, bring in the insular mono ethnic clubs and all their fiery kulcha etc.
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age. Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids. You are obsessed, like a drunk in denial. It seems their labelling about you was right and where is that black kettle again lol. Now about your constant fuck the FFA, down with the HAL, bring in the insular mono ethnic clubs and all their fiery kulcha etc. Nutjob.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age. Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids. You are obsessed, like a drunk in denial. It seems their labelling about you was right and where is that black kettle again lol. Now about your constant fuck the FFA, down with the HAL, bring in the insular mono ethnic clubs and all their fiery kulcha etc. Nutjob. 
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All this trolling for someone in the roar financial department not doing the wage transaction on Friday afternoon.
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Davo1985
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. Spot on. Was just about to bold that last paragraph myself and infact it confirms my point even further about people here wanting to keep our game a little kids game that will never be taken seriously. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. The argument about not bringing in new teams as big as WSW and Victory are a bit of a joke. I remember a plethora of threads prior to 2012 with people here whinging that introducing WSW would decimate Sydney fc and that we couldn;t handle 2 big clubs in a city. How wrong they were. I was and will always be in favour of having multiple clubs from within big metro cities, for reasons given many times previously. There will be room for regional teams but imo not until either a second league league is created or until we hit 14 or so teams in the a-league.
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Aikhme
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. Spot on. Was just about to bold that last paragraph myself and infact it confirms my point even further about people here wanting to keep our game a little kids game that will never be taken seriously. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. The argument about not bringing in new teams as big as WSW and Victory are a bit of a joke. I remember a plethora of threads prior to 2012 with people here whinging that introducing WSW would decimate Sydney fc and that we couldn;t handle 2 big clubs in a city. How wrong they were. I was and will always be in favour of having multiple clubs from within big metro cities, for reasons given many times previously. There will be room for regional teams but imo not until either a second league league is created or until we hit 14 or so teams in the a-league. It's not miles ahead. There were teams in the NSL getting very big crowds and they were breaking the million mark regularly. The game was talked down by the media, and then they had to bad years. That was Australia's racism shining through just like it shines through to this day. The HAL is dieing. That is the cool harsh reality. Just one calamity and that will be curtains. Just one team going bankrupt, and say bye bye to the TV Deal. We have always been on the brink. What we will have in the future, is the big 4 HAL clubs, plus SMFC, Knights, Olympic, and Adelaide City/West Adelaide entity. CCM, Phoenix, Brisbane, Pheonix, and Perth Glory will die and be replaced with other teams as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch? Plenty of people that watch today that didn't watch 15 years ago so I would say we are actually on the right path and more fans will start following but it takes time. Unfortunately half the battle is within as the bitters are more relentless about bagging the current setup than Eddie McGuire. All the bitters are still waiting and hoping that the A-league collapses so they can state "I told you so" and then back we are at square one.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch? Plenty of people that watch today that didn't watch 15 years ago so I would say we are actually on the right path and more fans will start following but it takes time. Unfortunately half the battle is within as the bitters are more relentless about bagging the current setup than Eddie McGuire. All the bitters are still waiting and hoping that the A-league collapses so they can state "I told you so" and then back we are at square one. If we had teams like SMFC, there will be even more people watching and TV money will increase! You can't keep Australia's biggest club out forever.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age. Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids. You are obsessed, like a drunk in denial. It seems their labelling about you was right and where is that black kettle again lol. Now about your constant fuck the FFA, down with the HAL, bring in the insular mono ethnic clubs and all their fiery kulcha etc. Nutjob. Not very mature behavior for someone in their 60s... your grandkids would be ashamed.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. Spot on. Was just about to bold that last paragraph myself and infact it confirms my point even further about people here wanting to keep our game a little kids game that will never be taken seriously. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. The argument about not bringing in new teams as big as WSW and Victory are a bit of a joke. I remember a plethora of threads prior to 2012 with people here whinging that introducing WSW would decimate Sydney fc and that we couldn;t handle 2 big clubs in a city. How wrong they were. I was and will always be in favour of having multiple clubs from within big metro cities, for reasons given many times previously. There will be room for regional teams but imo not until either a second league league is created or until we hit 14 or so teams in the a-league. It's not miles ahead. There were teams in the NSL getting very big crowds and they were breaking the million mark regularly. The game was talked down by the media, and then they had to bad years. That was Australia's racism shining through just like it shines through to this day. The HAL is dieing. That is the cool harsh reality. Just one calamity and that will be curtains. Just one team going bankrupt, and say bye bye to the TV Deal. We have always been on the brink. The two teams doing well in the NSL are now in the a-league. Perth Glory and Adelaide United of which United. I've looked at the stats for attendances for NSL games and many games were getting less than 3-4k in some instances less than 2k. Yes very successful.... Hahaha i laugh about your statement on A-league dieing. It must be hard for you as you've probably been on the same mantra since 2006 I imagine. See the reason why I know that there is no better solution is because all other clubs outside of the a-league are in no place to really get there shit in order with perhaps the exception of Sth Melbourne. No club has been able to really knock on the FFA's doors and convincingly make a case for being included. And you know why? Because all these clubs lack the fundamental ability to raise proper capital. They have no real backing. NONE! They run like a school tuck shop. They can barely scrape a few million together. So that's how I know there isn't a better solution at present despite a few clubs in the a-league having troubles of their own. I'm sure your tune will change though if in the event one of your beloved NSL teams makes it in the a-league right? Come back to me when you can prove that a dozen clubs outside of the A-league have $30m + in hard capital to invest in their club.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch? Plenty of people that watch today that didn't watch 15 years ago so I would say we are actually on the right path and more fans will start following but it takes time. Unfortunately half the battle is within as the bitters are more relentless about bagging the current setup than Eddie McGuire. All the bitters are still waiting and hoping that the A-league collapses so they can state "I told you so" and then back we are at square one. If we had teams like SMFC, there will be even more people watching and TV money will increase! You can't keep Australia's biggest club out forever. Tbh i'm not against the introduction of Sth Melbourne. They have done plenty in recent years to make a real case. And as opposed to a decade ago they are really starting to change their ways in terms of treating the club like a big enterprise. I have been impressed with their efforts and would like them in the a-league.
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The owners of embattled A-League club Brisbane Roar face the prospect of having the club’s licence stripped off them after they were handed an ultimatum by Football Federation Australia yesterday.
In a move aimed at finally resolving months of controversy and drama that have dogged the club, FFA chief executive David Gallop issued the warning in a stern statement that followed a meeting with Roar managing director Daniel Cobb.
The meeting followed concern over the club’s late payments this month to players and staff. While Cobb, who is acting for the club’s owners the Bakrie Group, confirmed that all players and staff had been paid yesterday, Gallop clearly has had enough.
“While the payments have now been made it is clear that relations between the Bakries and Mr Cobb need to be resolved one way or the other as soon as possible,” Gallop said in a statement. “If the club is to be sold, sell it. If not, then the current owners must restore confidence in the operations by adequately resourcing the club.”
It is no secret the Bakries have been keen to sell the club for the past 18 months, but have yet to find a buyer prepared to pay the asking price.
In the meantime, the club has had to tread water, leaving coach John Aloisi handcuffed in terms of what he can do to buy players and sort out a training ground.
The situation is now expected to come to a head after Cobb issued a statement in which he appeared to shift the blame back on to the Bakries. “I have briefed the FFA and Professional Footballers Australia to assure them that player, coach and administration staff wages and superannuation are up to date,” Cobb said in a statement.
“Today’s meeting with FFA was brought about by a default from the Bakrie Group on the recapitalisation of the club.
“I agreed to come in as managing director in order to stabilise the club on the condition that a $1.1 million injection in to the club was provided on July 1, 2016.
“As of today, only $405,000 has been provided. This has a significant impact on the club moving forward and in particular our move to Ballymore (for training). Discussions are now taking place with the Bakrie Group about how this situation will be rectified.”
Sydney FC are expected to announce the signing of striker Deyvison Rogerio da Silva, otherwise known as Bobo, in the next few days.
The Brazilian underwent a medical yesterday and will replace Alex Brosque as one of the club’s two marquee players.
Bobo, 31, has a quality resume, having played in Brazil and Turkey. He made his name with leading Turkish club Besiktas, where he played 222 games and scored 97 goals between 2006 and 2011. He also had a stint with Kayserispor (67 games for 32 goals) between 2012-15. His last club was Gremio in Brazil, where he managed five goals in 20 games.
Western Sydney also appear close to signing an attacker, with DR Congo international Herve Kage being linked to the club.
The 27-year-old attacking winger, capped three times for his country, has played most of his football in Belgium.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/aleague-brisbane-roar-handed-ultimatum-by-ffa/news-story/4dc44226b36148ebcbea5ebcae63d230
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Isn't Brisbane owned by an Indonesian Bakery! lol That at the time of purchase were worth Billions. So no not really ur typical bakery store lol Maybe Acne should tell us how West Adelaide Hellas stayed viable in the NSL......oh wait they didn't. lol Double whammy. "hellas" and "nsl"... And so the obsession continues... you really have to stop gravitating toward that which you secretly desire most...ie to have a Greek man sort you out Acne is a West Adelaide Hellas fan, your sig originated in Greece and you both want the downfall of the HAL so I can see why you're touchy lol. Not touchy at all... i just think your level of obsession is unhealthy... You dont want to give yourself a hernia at your age. Im not obsessed with all things greek though. I got labeled a grecofile by ljubo pathetic... sure i defended them against some pretty overt racism going on around here... but i dont initiate conversation about greeks and the nsl like you do... like i said your level of obsession is bizarre....pathological.... Unless by your meme youre implying that im as old and decrepit as you are..in which case i can assure you im roughly the age of your grandkids. You are obsessed, like a drunk in denial. It seems their labelling about you was right and where is that black kettle again lol. Now about your constant fuck the FFA, down with the HAL, bring in the insular mono ethnic clubs and all their fiery kulcha etc. Nutjob. Not very mature behavior for someone in their 60s... your grandkids would be ashamed. There's no better way to respond to hypocrite comments without typing words.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch? Plenty of people that watch today that didn't watch 15 years ago so I would say we are actually on the right path and more fans will start following but it takes time. Unfortunately half the battle is within as the bitters are more relentless about bagging the current setup than Eddie McGuire. All the bitters are still waiting and hoping that the A-league collapses so they can state "I told you so" and then back we are at square one. If we had teams like SMFC, there will be even more people watching and TV money will increase! You can't keep Australia's biggest club out forever. You mean with their few hundred left over fans? lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch? Plenty of people that watch today that didn't watch 15 years ago so I would say we are actually on the right path and more fans will start following but it takes time. Unfortunately half the battle is within as the bitters are more relentless about bagging the current setup than Eddie McGuire. All the bitters are still waiting and hoping that the A-league collapses so they can state "I told you so" and then back we are at square one. What paulc writes about people isnt true. I dont think there are any "bitters" on this site. If someone questions the current model - bitter. If someone disagrees with the FFA having a marquee fund - bitter. If someone disagrees with salary cap - bitter. no pro/rel - bitter. All the things that need to be changed to improve domestic football - bitter. No I am not "bitter", I just have a different opinion of what is better. You should leave the name calling to the real bitters because you are better than that. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. Like I wrote on here before it is like you have been in a violent relationship and are willing to accept less abuse, albeit in a different style, because it is better than before.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch? Plenty of people that watch today that didn't watch 15 years ago so I would say we are actually on the right path and more fans will start following but it takes time. Unfortunately half the battle is within as the bitters are more relentless about bagging the current setup than Eddie McGuire. All the bitters are still waiting and hoping that the A-league collapses so they can state "I told you so" and then back we are at square one. What paulc writes about people isnt true. I dont think there are any "bitters" on this site. If someone questions the current model - bitter. If someone disagrees with the FFA having a marquee fund - bitter. If someone disagrees with salary cap - bitter. no pro/rel - bitter. All the things that need to be changed to improve domestic football - bitter. No I am not "bitter", I just have a different opinion of what is better. 
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch? Plenty of people that watch today that didn't watch 15 years ago so I would say we are actually on the right path and more fans will start following but it takes time. Unfortunately half the battle is within as the bitters are more relentless about bagging the current setup than Eddie McGuire. All the bitters are still waiting and hoping that the A-league collapses so they can state "I told you so" and then back we are at square one. If we had teams like SMFC, there will be even more people watching and TV money will increase! You can't keep Australia's biggest club out forever. You mean with their few hundred left over fans? lol They are an NPL team at the moment. I don't think you should be talking about their number of fans. Brisbane will only have about 300 fans at every game soon as well, when they are dumped back to the NPL.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. Spot on. Was just about to bold that last paragraph myself and infact it confirms my point even further about people here wanting to keep our game a little kids game that will never be taken seriously. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. The argument about not bringing in new teams as big as WSW and Victory are a bit of a joke. I remember a plethora of threads prior to 2012 with people here whinging that introducing WSW would decimate Sydney fc and that we couldn;t handle 2 big clubs in a city. How wrong they were. I was and will always be in favour of having multiple clubs from within big metro cities, for reasons given many times previously. There will be room for regional teams but imo not until either a second league league is created or until we hit 14 or so teams in the a-league. It's not miles ahead. There were teams in the NSL getting very big crowds and they were breaking the million mark regularly. The game was talked down by the media, and then they had to bad years. That was Australia's racism shining through just like it shines through to this day. The HAL is dieing. That is the cool harsh reality. Just one calamity and that will be curtains. Just one team going bankrupt, and say bye bye to the TV Deal. We have always been on the brink. The two teams doing well in the NSL are now in the a-league. Perth Glory and Adelaide United of which United. I've looked at the stats for attendances for NSL games and many games were getting less than 3-4k in some instances less than 2k. Yes very successful.... Hahaha i laugh about your statement on A-league dieing. It must be hard for you as you've probably been on the same mantra since 2006 I imagine. See the reason why I know that there is no better solution is because all other clubs outside of the a-league are in no place to really get there shit in order with perhaps the exception of Sth Melbourne. No club has been able to really knock on the FFA's doors and convincingly make a case for being included. And you know why? Because all these clubs lack the fundamental ability to raise proper capital. They have no real backing. NONE! They run like a school tuck shop. They can barely scrape a few million together. So that's how I know there isn't a better solution at present despite a few clubs in the a-league having troubles of their own. I'm sure your tune will change though if in the event one of your beloved NSL teams makes it in the a-league right? Come back to me when you can prove that a dozen clubs outside of the A-league have $30m + in hard capital to invest in their club. Of course you will find bad statistics when you search for them. There are bad statistics in the HAL. I am talking about overall. For instance, Perth Glory had double the attendance back in the NSL than it does now in the HAL. So it has gone backwards ass many more will do soon. SMFC had good crowds as did a few other teams like Heart or whatever they were and some other new constructs. The NSL was achieving over 1 million through the gate, and the A League isn't doing much more than that either.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. You mean the people that already dont watch? Plenty of people that watch today that didn't watch 15 years ago so I would say we are actually on the right path and more fans will start following but it takes time. Unfortunately half the battle is within as the bitters are more relentless about bagging the current setup than Eddie McGuire. All the bitters are still waiting and hoping that the A-league collapses so they can state "I told you so" and then back we are at square one. If we had teams like SMFC, there will be even more people watching and TV money will increase! You can't keep Australia's biggest club out forever. Tbh i'm not against the introduction of Sth Melbourne. They have done plenty in recent years to make a real case. And as opposed to a decade ago they are really starting to change their ways in terms of treating the club like a big enterprise. I have been impressed with their efforts and would like them in the a-league. Put it this way! If SMFC are not allowed to compete, then Soccer is not going to achieve its full potential. One of the worse things for the league is the fact that there are only 10 teams. You will be surprised at how well supported these older NSL teams really are. Not all of them, but there are 3, or 4 or 5 teams that have great support bases and a true pedigree. Teams like SMFC, Olympic, Knights, etc. Both Adelaide's Adelaide City and West Adelaide are not big enough and probably not well funded enough. But if they get together they too can create a nice little dynamo. It the end, it will make for an interesting HAL.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. Spot on. Was just about to bold that last paragraph myself and infact it confirms my point even further about people here wanting to keep our game a little kids game that will never be taken seriously. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. The argument about not bringing in new teams as big as WSW and Victory are a bit of a joke. I remember a plethora of threads prior to 2012 with people here whinging that introducing WSW would decimate Sydney fc and that we couldn;t handle 2 big clubs in a city. How wrong they were. I was and will always be in favour of having multiple clubs from within big metro cities, for reasons given many times previously. There will be room for regional teams but imo not until either a second league league is created or until we hit 14 or so teams in the a-league. It's not miles ahead. There were teams in the NSL getting very big crowds and they were breaking the million mark regularly. The game was talked down by the media, and then they had to bad years. That was Australia's racism shining through just like it shines through to this day. The HAL is dieing. That is the cool harsh reality. Just one calamity and that will be curtains. Just one team going bankrupt, and say bye bye to the TV Deal. We have always been on the brink. The two teams doing well in the NSL are now in the a-league. Perth Glory and Adelaide United of which United. I've looked at the stats for attendances for NSL games and many games were getting less than 3-4k in some instances less than 2k. Yes very successful.... Hahaha i laugh about your statement on A-league dieing. It must be hard for you as you've probably been on the same mantra since 2006 I imagine. See the reason why I know that there is no better solution is because all other clubs outside of the a-league are in no place to really get there shit in order with perhaps the exception of Sth Melbourne. No club has been able to really knock on the FFA's doors and convincingly make a case for being included. And you know why? Because all these clubs lack the fundamental ability to raise proper capital. They have no real backing. NONE! They run like a school tuck shop. They can barely scrape a few million together. So that's how I know there isn't a better solution at present despite a few clubs in the a-league having troubles of their own. I'm sure your tune will change though if in the event one of your beloved NSL teams makes it in the a-league right? Come back to me when you can prove that a dozen clubs outside of the A-league have $30m + in hard capital to invest in their club. Of course you will find bad statistics when you search for them. There are bad statistics in the HAL. I am talking about overall. For instance, Perth Glory had double the attendance back in the NSL than it does now in the HAL. So it has gone backwards ass many more will do soon. SMFC had good crowds as did a few other teams like Heart or whatever they were and some other new constructs. The NSL was achieving over 1 million through the gate, and the A League isn't doing much more than that either. This is very approx. and just going by memory (could be f*cked checking it all out) but it's in this order. The best the NSL averaged was around 5,000 / game or about 1/3 of HAL's best year. When 2 mono ethnic teams played in a final you would never get capacity crowd. Even with Hellas 17,000 biggest attendance. HAL capacity 40,000 to 50,000 constantly. NSL even had crowds as low as a few hundred. Not even CCM in the HAL could scoop that low. So please don't continue with your deluded BS of NSL grandeur because its all figment of your imagination.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. Spot on. Was just about to bold that last paragraph myself and infact it confirms my point even further about people here wanting to keep our game a little kids game that will never be taken seriously. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. The argument about not bringing in new teams as big as WSW and Victory are a bit of a joke. I remember a plethora of threads prior to 2012 with people here whinging that introducing WSW would decimate Sydney fc and that we couldn;t handle 2 big clubs in a city. How wrong they were. I was and will always be in favour of having multiple clubs from within big metro cities, for reasons given many times previously. There will be room for regional teams but imo not until either a second league league is created or until we hit 14 or so teams in the a-league. It's not miles ahead. There were teams in the NSL getting very big crowds and they were breaking the million mark regularly. The game was talked down by the media, and then they had to bad years. That was Australia's racism shining through just like it shines through to this day. The HAL is dieing. That is the cool harsh reality. Just one calamity and that will be curtains. Just one team going bankrupt, and say bye bye to the TV Deal. We have always been on the brink. The two teams doing well in the NSL are now in the a-league. Perth Glory and Adelaide United of which United. I've looked at the stats for attendances for NSL games and many games were getting less than 3-4k in some instances less than 2k. Yes very successful.... Hahaha i laugh about your statement on A-league dieing. It must be hard for you as you've probably been on the same mantra since 2006 I imagine. See the reason why I know that there is no better solution is because all other clubs outside of the a-league are in no place to really get there shit in order with perhaps the exception of Sth Melbourne. No club has been able to really knock on the FFA's doors and convincingly make a case for being included. And you know why? Because all these clubs lack the fundamental ability to raise proper capital. They have no real backing. NONE! They run like a school tuck shop. They can barely scrape a few million together. So that's how I know there isn't a better solution at present despite a few clubs in the a-league having troubles of their own. I'm sure your tune will change though if in the event one of your beloved NSL teams makes it in the a-league right? Come back to me when you can prove that a dozen clubs outside of the A-league have $30m + in hard capital to invest in their club. Of course you will find bad statistics when you search for them. There are bad statistics in the HAL. I am talking about overall. For instance, Perth Glory had double the attendance back in the NSL than it does now in the HAL. So it has gone backwards ass many more will do soon. SMFC had good crowds as did a few other teams like Heart or whatever they were and some other new constructs. The NSL was achieving over 1 million through the gate, and the A League isn't doing much more than that either. This is very approx. and just going by memory (could be f*cked checking it all out) but it's in this order. The best the NSL averaged was around 5,000 / game or about 1/3 of HAL's best year. When 2 mono ethnic teams played in a final you would never get capacity crowd. Even with Hellas 17,000 biggest attendance. HAL capacity 40,000 to 50,000 constantly. NSL even had crowds as low as a few hundred. Not even CCM in the HAL could scoop that low. So please don't continue with your deluded BS of NSL grandeur because its all figment of your imagination. When SM come in im sure the FFA will make them play derbies at Aami , if not for capacity, for safety. (because of MV fans ). So we can say pretty much if teams play each other 3 times they will get 3 home derbies (2 +1). Already you are close to 90000. A 12 team league would mean 33 games per season. If they got 16 home games that season their average would be 5600 or 17 game 5200 FOR THE SEASON before they even play the other their other 13-14 home games. So of course they would have a better average than CCM.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. Spot on. Was just about to bold that last paragraph myself and infact it confirms my point even further about people here wanting to keep our game a little kids game that will never be taken seriously. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. The argument about not bringing in new teams as big as WSW and Victory are a bit of a joke. I remember a plethora of threads prior to 2012 with people here whinging that introducing WSW would decimate Sydney fc and that we couldn;t handle 2 big clubs in a city. How wrong they were. I was and will always be in favour of having multiple clubs from within big metro cities, for reasons given many times previously. There will be room for regional teams but imo not until either a second league league is created or until we hit 14 or so teams in the a-league. It's not miles ahead. There were teams in the NSL getting very big crowds and they were breaking the million mark regularly. The game was talked down by the media, and then they had to bad years. That was Australia's racism shining through just like it shines through to this day. The HAL is dieing. That is the cool harsh reality. Just one calamity and that will be curtains. Just one team going bankrupt, and say bye bye to the TV Deal. We have always been on the brink. The two teams doing well in the NSL are now in the a-league. Perth Glory and Adelaide United of which United. I've looked at the stats for attendances for NSL games and many games were getting less than 3-4k in some instances less than 2k. Yes very successful.... Hahaha i laugh about your statement on A-league dieing. It must be hard for you as you've probably been on the same mantra since 2006 I imagine. See the reason why I know that there is no better solution is because all other clubs outside of the a-league are in no place to really get there shit in order with perhaps the exception of Sth Melbourne. No club has been able to really knock on the FFA's doors and convincingly make a case for being included. And you know why? Because all these clubs lack the fundamental ability to raise proper capital. They have no real backing. NONE! They run like a school tuck shop. They can barely scrape a few million together. So that's how I know there isn't a better solution at present despite a few clubs in the a-league having troubles of their own. I'm sure your tune will change though if in the event one of your beloved NSL teams makes it in the a-league right? Come back to me when you can prove that a dozen clubs outside of the A-league have $30m + in hard capital to invest in their club. Of course you will find bad statistics when you search for them. There are bad statistics in the HAL. I am talking about overall. For instance, Perth Glory had double the attendance back in the NSL than it does now in the HAL. So it has gone backwards ass many more will do soon. SMFC had good crowds as did a few other teams like Heart or whatever they were and some other new constructs. The NSL was achieving over 1 million through the gate, and the A League isn't doing much more than that either. This is very approx. and just going by memory (could be f*cked checking it all out) but it's in this order. The best the NSL averaged was around 5,000 / game or about 1/3 of HAL's best year. When 2 mono ethnic teams played in a final you would never get capacity crowd. Even with Hellas 17,000 biggest attendance. HAL capacity 40,000 to 50,000 constantly. NSL even had crowds as low as a few hundred. Not even CCM in the HAL could scoop that low. So please don't continue with your deluded BS of NSL grandeur because its all figment of your imagination. No not true. SMFC average around 10,000 and the big finals in the old NSL would get crowds of 30 to 40k. You can't be selective with your statistics. The highest attendance was 45K http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlIf SMFC got 17,000 for a Final, it's because that is what was their capacity at the time. One thing is for sure, there were NSL teams with far greater attendances than Brisbane, and SMFC was one of them. Perth Glory use to average 13K but under the HAL they only average 7K.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll we need is to replace this EFFNIK Dutch club with Brisbane Strikers. :) They would be bankrupt before years end if Strikers got in. We need serious backing for clubs moving forward. Not corner store operations that most ex NSL clubs run on. fmd have you started to paraphrase paulc? No just speaking more sense than some on here that would be happy to have a tuck shop team in the top flight of our comp as if its the NPL.. Your elitest attitude is what is wrong with Australian football. At what point does it become about supporting Sydney FC first? Elitist attitude?? No it's about not being provincial which is the problem with so many supporters here. They are still stuck in the mentality of our game being a niche little sport that is supported by the minorities rather than the majority in this country. If we want to grow the game (at the expense of alienating a few old bitters who have never really embraced the a-league) by looking at bigger companies or consortiums to take charge of our clubs with deep pockets and real ability to grow the club then that's what we should strive for. By having clubs with minimal backing but old school sentiment such as some of the ex NSL clubs, will not get us far. What the FFA needs to do better is making sure serious people with serious funds are able to take control of our clubs. Clearly with Brisbane Roar and Gold Coast they got it wrong, however allocating licenses to clubs backed by the same type of financial strength as the CCM is just asking for trouble. Brisbane unlike CCM isn't a regional club and deserves a big backer to drive the club forward. The Brisbane Strikers would just be CCM V2.0. Im not sure why you think I want to turn the A-League into the NSL. I have said I want Strikers and SM in, but that is pretty much it. I have even said WW. You some how magically think we can pull 2-4 clubs out of thin air that will be as big as WSW or MV. Not going to happen. Franks model is working on you and you think any club coming in will automatically be as big as Sydney FC or should be. We have pretty much as many big clubs as we can squeeze out. Its time to think smaller. MV, MC SFC & WSW will always get the prime time matches so why do you care if a new club plays at a small venue? You support SFC, I dont see how this effects you. "oh my god, what will the people think if we have a team that plays at a 3000 seat stadium. I couldnt look them them in the eye" They will think sockah is a tin pot game, which may well match your vision but unsatisfactory to most. Spot on. Was just about to bold that last paragraph myself and infact it confirms my point even further about people here wanting to keep our game a little kids game that will never be taken seriously. 3000 would be an absolute disaster. Get out of the old school NSL style attendances as they were absolutely atrocious. Even now they aren't great but are miles infront of what they were prior to the A-league, hence why Franks model is working on me because it is absolutely MILES better than anything we've ever had, and all metrics will confirm that with regards to general popularity of the league. The argument about not bringing in new teams as big as WSW and Victory are a bit of a joke. I remember a plethora of threads prior to 2012 with people here whinging that introducing WSW would decimate Sydney fc and that we couldn;t handle 2 big clubs in a city. How wrong they were. I was and will always be in favour of having multiple clubs from within big metro cities, for reasons given many times previously. There will be room for regional teams but imo not until either a second league league is created or until we hit 14 or so teams in the a-league. It's not miles ahead. There were teams in the NSL getting very big crowds and they were breaking the million mark regularly. The game was talked down by the media, and then they had to bad years. That was Australia's racism shining through just like it shines through to this day. The HAL is dieing. That is the cool harsh reality. Just one calamity and that will be curtains. Just one team going bankrupt, and say bye bye to the TV Deal. We have always been on the brink. The two teams doing well in the NSL are now in the a-league. Perth Glory and Adelaide United of which United. I've looked at the stats for attendances for NSL games and many games were getting less than 3-4k in some instances less than 2k. Yes very successful.... Hahaha i laugh about your statement on A-league dieing. It must be hard for you as you've probably been on the same mantra since 2006 I imagine. See the reason why I know that there is no better solution is because all other clubs outside of the a-league are in no place to really get there shit in order with perhaps the exception of Sth Melbourne. No club has been able to really knock on the FFA's doors and convincingly make a case for being included. And you know why? Because all these clubs lack the fundamental ability to raise proper capital. They have no real backing. NONE! They run like a school tuck shop. They can barely scrape a few million together. So that's how I know there isn't a better solution at present despite a few clubs in the a-league having troubles of their own. I'm sure your tune will change though if in the event one of your beloved NSL teams makes it in the a-league right? Come back to me when you can prove that a dozen clubs outside of the A-league have $30m + in hard capital to invest in their club. Of course you will find bad statistics when you search for them. There are bad statistics in the HAL. I am talking about overall. For instance, Perth Glory had double the attendance back in the NSL than it does now in the HAL. So it has gone backwards ass many more will do soon. SMFC had good crowds as did a few other teams like Heart or whatever they were and some other new constructs. The NSL was achieving over 1 million through the gate, and the A League isn't doing much more than that either. This is very approx. and just going by memory (could be f*cked checking it all out) but it's in this order. The best the NSL averaged was around 5,000 / game or about 1/3 of HAL's best year. When 2 mono ethnic teams played in a final you would never get capacity crowd. Even with Hellas 17,000 biggest attendance. HAL capacity 40,000 to 50,000 constantly. NSL even had crowds as low as a few hundred. Not even CCM in the HAL could scoop that low. So please don't continue with your deluded BS of NSL grandeur because its all figment of your imagination. When SM come in im sure the FFA will make them play derbies at Aami , if not for capacity, for safety. (because of MV fans ). So we can say pretty much if teams play each other 3 times they will get 3 home derbies (2 +1). Already you are close to 90000. A 12 team league would mean 33 games per season. If they got 16 home games that season their average would be 5600 or 17 game 5200 FOR THE SEASON before they even play the other their other 13-14 home games. So of course they would have a better average than CCM. Contrary to your previous comments, it's good that you removed any NSL comparison in these figures because otherwise it would have been laughable. So OK you now confess the NSL bit you wrote about was BS and you want to compare what Hellas is gonna do. Well I'll tell you what it's going to do and that is be the thin end of the wedge for the influx of mono ethnic clubs with baggage who will claim they have just as might right. When that happens and the ethnic violence starts (because it will as sure as day follows night), foreign flags and chants are heard on national TV it will create the cancer the NSL once was for the growth of football. Heck, you could achieve those figures you mention in Melb by adding any other new entity, one that will encourage all comers and not just a single community. This way fans and the public won't get turned off as they would with the resurrected Hellas baggage.
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