Ethnic Ties Have Held Football Back in Australia


Ethnic Ties Have Held Football Back in Australia

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melbourne_terrace - 22 Jul 2020 11:48 PM
scott20won - 21 Jul 2020 6:21 PM

Yeah Sweden has so many great diaspora clubs in their system, especially towards the top. Can't wait till someone starts Stockholm Indooropilly FC. 

Closet is Långholmen FC
http://www.langholmenfc.com/

Made in an expat pub by Scots, Irish and English in Hammarby territory.

They even drew IFK Göteborg 1 year in the cup.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9HyFt2Tr8zQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4cUWljoLf4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jnd18gHWSc



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scott20won - 21 Jul 2020 6:21 PM


“A story is written by people who have started a project with great influence in society, people who have given their soul and really had a commitment to what they have done. Akropolis IF was founded in 1968, Theofilos Tsappos gathered a bunch of Greeks who had left their homeland to emigrate to Sweden, to a country for a better future. Some were political refugees, some wanted to improve their finances and some emigrated, moving far away to find a livelihood....”

https://www.laget.se/akropolisif_herr/news/5773924

Akropolis IF on the march in Swedish 2nd division. Big win yesterday.

Yeah Sweden has so many great diaspora clubs in their system, especially towards the top. Can't wait till someone starts Stockholm Indooropilly FC. 

Viennese Vuck

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“A story is written by people who have started a project with great influence in society, people who have given their soul and really had a commitment to what they have done. Akropolis IF was founded in 1968, Theofilos Tsappos gathered a bunch of Greeks who had left their homeland to emigrate to Sweden, to a country for a better future. Some were political refugees, some wanted to improve their finances and some emigrated, moving far away to find a livelihood....”

https://www.laget.se/akropolisif_herr/news/5773924

Akropolis IF on the march in Swedish 2nd division. Big win yesterday.
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At a guess, I'd wager this 'Mr Juicy' chap has this jam as his entrance theme:

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bloody effnics mucking it up for strayans
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I took on Glory as my "second team" in the late 90s for the only reason that when the shit hit the fan at Adelaide City the whole Perth Glory squad was just City in a purple shirt
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robstazzz - 12 Mar 2018 12:37 AM
So he's of Italian background, lives in Melbourne, and decided to go for a club in Perth because Bobby made a hand gesture that offends Croatian.
LOL fuck me dead he's one confused man.
To be fair

Perth fans did Roman salutes in Sydney they arent bright.


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So he's of Italian background, lives in Melbourne, and decided to go for a club in Perth because Bobby made a hand gesture that offends Croatian.
LOL fuck me dead he's one confused man.
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scott21 - 12 Mar 2018 12:20 AM
It's odd he celebrates it today as you could forgive him for being 13/14 at the time. Point is, clubs aren't bad. People are just dickheads. I'm sure AL has its fair share of dickhead supporters. The dickhead gods don't discriminate by race.

Bobby also didn't know what was going on in the pic.

Important to note too that this was done by an aleague fan. Not that i give a shit either way. The harsher the bants the better imo. 


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It's odd he celebrates it today as you could forgive him for being 13/14 at the time. Point is, clubs aren't bad. People are just dickheads. I'm sure AL has its fair share of dickhead supporters.

The dickhead gods don't discriminate by race.


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Have no sympathy for anyone regarding this. Glory fans are wankers. Knights fans need to stop worrying about Serbs and realise their are other issues in europe right now.


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scott21 - 11 Mar 2018 11:50 PM
Italian name. Juicy was either a Carlton fan who couldn't move to MK or SM when they collapsed or was picked on by Croats at highschool at the time. At a guess.

Sadly I reckon Juicy is just fken ignorant about the meaning of what Despotovski did. As for ol' Bobby D himself, the years haven't made him any less a flog.


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Italian name. Juicy was either a Carlton fan who couldn't move to MK or SM when they collapsed or was picked on by Croats at highschool at the time. At a guess.
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Meet Perth Glory’s most colourful fan, Mr Juicy



MEET Perth Glory’s most colourful fan.

His name is Gino Gambino, but he’s better known as Mr Juicy, a 31-year-old Melbourne pro wrestler. He knows exactly the moment he became a Perth Glory convert – it was May 21, 2001. Glory were playing Melbourne Knights and striker Bobby Despotovski gave a three-fingered salute to the crowd. “I’ve been a fan ever since,” he told Quarter by Quarter.

Gambino rarely misses a game when Glory play in Melbourne and flies to Perth “once or twice a year” to watch home games from The Shed at nib Stadium. “There is no other way is there?” he said.

Gambino is known for his flamboyant outfits in the ring, but is simply one of the purple army at Glory games. “I don’t need to dress up. I am six foot and 140 kilos so I definitely stand out,” he said.


Mr Juicy with Perth Glory striker Diego Castro.Picture: Supplied
He says Diego Castro is his favourite player and hopes the club sticks with coach Kenny Lowe despite yet another frustrating season.

“He’s a superstar. A great coach. He’s just passionate. You can see he loves the game and loves the club, I just think it is going to take time,” Gambino said.

Gambino has been wrestling for 13 years out of Japan, Australia and the US. “It’s the best job in the world,” he said.

The Mr Juicy moniker was handed to him by a Puerto Rican wrestle named Mr Yummie.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/opinion/glen-quartermain/meet-perth-glorys-most-colourful-fan-mr-juicy-ng-b88767082z.amp?__twitter_impression=true





*Sorry if the first pic offends certain people
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RBBAnonymous - 17 Feb 2017 4:34 PM
bigpoppa - 17 Feb 2017 4:16 PM

Lets be truthful here shall, you are trying to link this to Greek based clubs in Australia otherwise you would never have posted it or suggested you aren't trying to link the two. Some of the banners that are up in football stadiums around the world are pretty classless and I couldn't see them getting into our stadiums here anyway, except perhaps if your watching an AFL game. 


No I'm not actually. I feel the need to state it so no assumptions are made that I am. People are pretty quick to jump to conclusions around here and I felt if I state my intentions first and foremost, I wouldn't offend anyone and it wouldnt be taken the wrong way. 

Its an example of what the FFA think they are avoiding, regardless of race or creed. 

I'm fully supportive of an open football pyramid regardless of the clubs and its history and have stated numerous times, other than the Tasmanian bid, that SMFC should be next in the A-League.
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nomates - 17 Feb 2017 12:38 PM
I cant and wont support suburban terrorist clubs like the ones mentioned. Australia and New Zealand does not need that shit ever FACT.

You definitely suit your username.
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bigpoppa - 17 Feb 2017 4:16 PM
This screen grab is from the PAOK vs Schalke Europa League game this morning. I am in no way trying to link this to any Greek-Australians or clubs with ethnic ties to Greece or even suggest they would have flags/banners like this but its a clear example of what the FFA is scared of.

In saying that though, the FFA needs a better way of dealing with this fear of theirs because locking certain clubs out of top flight football because of it isn't the way to go about it.

I don't normally screen shot stuff like this, I have no connection or opinion to any of this at all, really its none of my business but I saw the banners and this thread and felt the two were linked in example only.

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Lets be truthful here shall we, you are trying to link this to Greek based clubs in Australia otherwise you would never have posted it or suggested you aren't trying to link the two. Some of the banners that are up in football stadiums around the world are pretty classless and I couldn't see them getting into our stadiums here anyway, except perhaps if your watching an AFL game. 









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This screen grab is from the PAOK vs Schalke Europa League game this morning. I am in no way trying to link this to any Greek-Australians or clubs with ethnic ties to Greece or even suggest they would have flags/banners like this but its a clear example of what the FFA is scared of.

In saying that though, the FFA needs a better way of dealing with this fear of theirs because locking certain clubs out of top flight football because of it isn't the way to go about it.

I don't normally screen shot stuff like this, I have no connection or opinion to any of this at all, really its none of my business but I saw the banners and this thread and felt the two were linked in example only.

post a picture





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HortoMagiko - 17 Feb 2017 1:51 PM
AJF - 17 Feb 2017 1:48 PM

Bingo. The greatest trick that lowy ever played was convincing everyone that it was all the ethnics fault.

And they all bought it hook line and sinker.

I think Lowy looked at the marketability of clubs as a main criteria. Hence why originally only one club per city and broad region based names.

I personally think the NSL was slowly transitioning to more broad based clubs (Glory, Parramatta, Carlton, Northern Spirit, Strikers etc.). These clubs generated interest in the game beyond the walls of the soccer fraternity in Australia ... Soccer Australia just didn't know how to take this increased interest and grow from there. I think the traditional "ethnic" NSL clubs, such as South Melbourne, Marconi etc. actually complimented and benefited from the mixture of broad based clubs and "ethnic" clubs. I remember going to a Spirit game against Olympic. The chants by Olympic fans (mainly Greek based) added great atmosphere and because there was no ethnic tension with the Spirit fans you simply had a sing off (actually got the Spirit fans to sing louder).

I think this is where Lowy didn't see the benefit of traditional clubs ... he wanted to appeal to a new fan base, rather than build on existing ones (perception??) Admittedly it would have been interesting to see how flexible some NSL clubs would have been with fitting in to the A-League (and I'd imagine the financial security required in the A-League may have seen most fall by the way side). I think some clubs would have (and still could) added a lot to the A-League, but I really think other than probably Souths, we won't see them until a second division and promotion/relegation is introduced. 
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AJF - 17 Feb 2017 1:48 PM
Lots of people on here have no idea about the NSL and the ignorant comments are doing my head in.

So couple of quick facts for reference
-  the Crawford Report was an investigation into the governance of football and the alleged mismanagement, corruption & near bankruptcy of the previous governing body, Soccer Australia.  It had absolutely nothing to do with the NSL or the Effnik Clubs and descision to disband the NSL was made by Lowy & his cronies. 

Crawford Report recommendations regarding the NSL also make for interesting reading with current FFA discussions:

Recommendation 46:  Soccer Australia establish the NSL as a separate entity operating under a licence from Soccer Australia with a board comprised of independent directors elected by participating NSL clubs and with separate (to Soccer Australia) funding.

Recommendation 47: Soccer Australia assist the NSL through joint marketing, television rights agreements and sponsorships.

Recommendation 48: The Chief Executive Officer of Soccer Australia have observer status on the board of the NSL

The delicious irony btw. ^^^^^ wow just wow. 



Is Wellington diverse?  Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein

The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football -
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AJF - 17 Feb 2017 1:48 PM
Lots of people on here have no idea about the NSL and the ignorant comments are doing my head in.

So couple of quick facts for reference
-  the Crawford Report was an investigation into the governance of football and the alleged mismanagement, corruption & near bankruptcy of the previous governing body, Soccer Australia.  It had absolutely nothing to do with the NSL or the Effnik Clubs and descision to disband the NSL was made by Lowy & his cronies. 

Crawford Report recommendations regarding the NSL also make for interesting reading with current FFA discussions:

Recommendation 46:  Soccer Australia establish the NSL as a separate entity operating under a licence from Soccer Australia with a board comprised of independent directors elected by participating NSL clubs and with separate (to Soccer Australia) funding.

Recommendation 47: Soccer Australia assist the NSL through joint marketing, television rights agreements and sponsorships.

Recommendation 48: The Chief Executive Officer of Soccer Australia have observer status on the board of the NSL

Bingo. The greatest trick that lowy ever played was convincing everyone that it was all the ethnics fault.

And they all bought it hook line and sinker.



Is Wellington diverse?  Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein

The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football -
Ange Postecoglou

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Lots of people on here have no idea about the NSL and the ignorant comments are doing my head in.

So couple of quick facts for reference
-  the Crawford Report was an investigation into the governance of football and the alleged mismanagement, corruption & near bankruptcy of the previous governing body, Soccer Australia.  It had absolutely nothing to do with the NSL or the Effnik Clubs and descision to disband the NSL was made by Lowy & his cronies. 

Crawford Report recommendations regarding the NSL also make for interesting reading with current FFA discussions:

Recommendation 46:  Soccer Australia establish the NSL as a separate entity operating under a licence from Soccer Australia with a board comprised of independent directors elected by participating NSL clubs and with separate (to Soccer Australia) funding.

Recommendation 47: Soccer Australia assist the NSL through joint marketing, television rights agreements and sponsorships.

Recommendation 48: The Chief Executive Officer of Soccer Australia have observer status on the board of the NSL









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The atmosphere was terrific at that game, great night of football, except for the City win! :p
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sokorny - 17 Feb 2017 1:07 PM
HortoMagiko - 17 Feb 2017 12:38 PM

Ethnic ties implies that the club has links to a specific ethnicity (be it historical, in their symbolism, supporter base). Such as APIA Leichhardt Tigers, which was founded by the Italian-Australian community (APIA stands for Associazione Poli-sportiva Italo Australiana). The club obviously has strong ties to the Italian community in Leichhardt. Nothing wrong with that but that is an ethnic tie (which as others on here have made obvious isn't appealing to them).

Similarly Bonnyrigg White Eagles are a club with Serbian ties (their logo has the Serbian flag in the background and the Serbian eagle in the foreground, not to mention their team name). Again nothing wrong with this, but the club obviously is very proud of their ethnic ties to Serbia.

Then you have a teams like Wollongong and Sutherland which have been about representing their region, and not ties to any particular ethnic background. I'd put Manly United in this boat too (although started as a Dutch club) they no longer have any ethnic ties (since at least 1991, maybe longer but I can't remember back that far) who have acted as a representative team for the local association for decades.

That is what most people associate ethnic based clubs with. I said clubs had ethnic ties, this does not mean they are not inclusive ... simply that they have ties.

And why do you think the FFA has closed the top-tier to these clubs??

Thats fair. I admit that anything obvious like flags should well and truly be omitted or officially foreign names...hit em hard w the NCIP... .but then i get to Wellington and the waters become very muddied... the clear line starts to fade and a kind of hypocrisy sets in. Nix entire existemce is targeted at non australians...either in nz or here in aus... how can that be any different? How can the NCIP allow for maori dancers (clear ethnic imagery in use for the promotion of hal) in the yoshi ad but not zorba dancers. Id like to see someone explain that with a straight face. And in a way nz is actually a worse example...as nz arent aus citizens, yet their/and our teams play ovverseas. Its not like bonnyrig play their home games in serbia... 

I think ffa originally closed the door for many reasons..some valid, some not so.. the fact that they havent worked out how to open it is their big problem...and the problem for the games growth. 






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The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football -
Ange Postecoglou

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I happened to catch part of to the SST interview with the Su58 director on the way home the other day... While I can understand a lot of the frustration and don't necessarily disagree with a lot of the criticism that the NSL clubs have leveled at the FFA/A-league over the last decade, it frustrates me a bit that they seem to consistently aim for the "innocent victim" role in the situation at all times. They refuse to at least recognise any of the issues that some of the NSL clubs - SU58 included - were mired in, which lead to the reform.

That interview was a role-coloured, sentimental NSL fap-circle.

Ultimately they'll habve to meet the FFA and/or A-league somewhere around halfway and that won't happen without them recognising that they carry some of the blame for how things turned out as well.

Some of the clubs seem to at least be working on this, but a lot of them seem hell-bend on forging along the way they always have. 
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HortoMagiko - 17 Feb 2017 12:38 PM
sokorny - 17 Feb 2017 12:05 PM

Youre whole approach is a little on the nose. Isnt it more 3rd generation migrant ties? Anglos are an ethnicity too you know right? Are you dividning up these clubs based on who they were founded by..or what their current support consists of?...By which ones are "anglo: vs "all the rest"? Or is it anglo & celt vs the rest? Or is dutch in the continental europe team or the British Isles team? Is there a list i can look up on the internet somewhere to determine who belongs to which team? .......is  there a list of former ethnic clubs turned broadbased?..... Pls provide clarity/links.

But their "fans" (or at least their reputation / perception) are probably what are holding these clubs back more so than anything the clubs actually do.
Id say its more the closed top tier and lack of pro/rel or any official transparent expansion criteria/pathway through to top tier that is holding these clubs back.

Ethnic ties implies that the club has links to a specific ethnicity (be it historical, in their symbolism, supporter base). Such as APIA Leichhardt Tigers, which was founded by the Italian-Australian community (APIA stands for Associazione Poli-sportiva Italo Australiana). The club obviously has strong ties to the Italian community in Leichhardt. Nothing wrong with that but that is an ethnic tie (which as others on here have made obvious isn't appealing to them).

Similarly Bonnyrigg White Eagles are a club with Serbian ties (their logo has the Serbian flag in the background and the Serbian eagle in the foreground, not to mention their team name). Again nothing wrong with this, but the club obviously is very proud of their ethnic ties to Serbia.

Then you have a teams like Wollongong and Sutherland which have been about representing their region, and not ties to any particular ethnic background. I'd put Manly United in this boat too (although started as a Dutch club) they no longer have any ethnic ties (since at least 1991, maybe longer but I can't remember back that far) who have acted as a representative team for the local association for decades.

That is what most people associate ethnic based clubs with. I said clubs had ethnic ties, this does not mean they are not inclusive ... simply that they have ties.

And why do you think the FFA has closed the top-tier to these clubs??
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nomates - 17 Feb 2017 12:38 PM
I cant and wont support suburban terrorist clubs like the ones mentioned. Australia and New Zealand does not need that shit ever FACT.

Australia and New Zealand? Is New Zealand  part of the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA) is it? 

Thats weird. Maybe it means your opinion doesnt matter? Dunno..........



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sokorny - 17 Feb 2017 12:05 PM
Personally I don't see any clubs with ethnic ties being introduced to the A-League until promotion and relegation comes along. There is still too much "fear" of what could be done to sponsors, the game, the league etc. Even when the FFA relinquish some control of the A-League I don't see it happening.

I think promotion and relegation will be their only avenue in the near future (right or wrong, I just think that is reality).

Consider this ... there is nothing stopping the non-ethnic based sides playing in the state NPLs at the moment, but how many our in the top flight in each state atm??

NSW has 5 out of 12 teams with no ethnic ties I am aware of (a few others might no longer have strong ethnic ties that I am not aware, e.g. Parramatta??)

WA has 7/8 out of 14 teams with no ethnic ties I am aware of.

The high number of clubs still in the top flights with ethic ties to me suggests that they are still doing something right at the grassroots level and providing adequate development pathways (key components of the FFA's NC). But their "fans" (or at least their reputation / perception) are probably what are holding these clubs back more so than anything the clubs actually do.

Youre whole approach is a little on the nose. Isnt it more 3rd generation migrant ties? Anglos are an ethnicity too you know right? Are you dividning up these clubs based on who they were founded by..or what their current support consists of?...By which ones are "anglo: vs "all the rest"? Or is it anglo & celt vs the rest? Or is dutch in the continental europe team or the British Isles team? Is there a list i can look up on the internet somewhere to determine who belongs to which team? .......is  there a list of former ethnic clubs turned broadbased?..... Pls provide clarity/links.

But their "fans" (or at least their reputation / perception) are probably what are holding these clubs back more so than anything the clubs actually do.
Id say its more the closed top tier and lack of pro/rel or any official transparent expansion criteria/pathway through to top tier that is holding these clubs back.




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I cant and wont support suburban terrorist clubs like the ones mentioned. Australia and New Zealand does not need that shit ever FACT.

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Atlas - 17 Feb 2017 12:30 PM
sokorny - 17 Feb 2017 12:05 PM

Parramatta use to have thousands of Maltese followers now they follow Rugby League as the attendance showed at the Malta Vs Phillipines rugby match last weekend and Rugby League made them most welcome.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Parra ... such a diverse and multicultural area of Sydney I didn't know how the fan base for the team had evolved (I haven't lived in Sydney for nearly 20 years).
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