@bb. I don't care about who said what about sbs1 or sbs2. It's all fkn sbs at the end of the day and they are doing a bang up shitty job. I'm talking about your authoritative condescending tone around your opinion on this subject matter. We all know your pov but I have no doubts we'll be subjected to it until the negotiations are finalised and we start seeing the results next season so all I am asking is if you are proved wrong will you give our poor ears a rest or will we have to hear you banging on about the same negative broken record bollocks like we've been subjected to for the pust 5 years?

If you substantiate what you think you'll be seeing I'll be happy to STFU if I'm wrong

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I don't need to substantiate anything bb. I am not involved in the rights negotiations nor the analysis of complex terradata that I am sure the experts the ffa have engaged or otherwise to inform their decisions around what will be the best decision strategically for football. I am confident they will make a decision which will result in improved ratings performance and put football in a position which will subsequently enable the game to grow further at the next rights negotiations.

Hah ive been saying that for literally years. He actually can't see how arrogant and smug he is. It's sad. Feel sorry for people in his life who no doubt see it on a daily basis.

But yeah it's clear now even with his last post that he's admitting that production value is an issue and that if ffa had stopped mouthing off all of a sudden sbs were going to pump more money into it in presenting the game in a better light. But they never were because of budget constraints. Everyone here has been talking about getting off sbs altogether not just moving from sbs 2 to 1, even though the fact that ratings didn't change much despite ratings for fox going down and the lack of ADP and WSW first season novelty wearing off shows that being on sbs 1 had some effect. If the channel had nothing to do with it wouldn't you have thought (using blue birds reasoning) that ratings would have actually have dropped to fall inline with how fox ratings dropped and the loss of ADP etc?

If SBS had shown their first season on SBS1 instead of SBS2, what would the AU v MV game have rated instead of 175k?

Can anyone make a graph for the FFA Cup ratings pls?

I thik a fair few have actually been out of the top 20.

Maybe a list of the best 20 games to see which years they are from. I would bet a guess that is how many games we actually have data on.

It's on the up but I was thinking to compare this years to last years.

I found this on @footyindustryAU

If there were enough ratings for the Cup I would. 2015 FFA Cup below for you to compare

Wookie

As always mate brilliant work...

So with the extremely limited stats available, we've made a 10% increase from last year to this year. I'm only taking into account quarter finals and semi finals as there really aren't enough stats for individual games.

The semi next week should probably rate the highest so far and may even outrate the final if City get knocked out.

The long term aim should be to get all games rating 50k+ from quarter finals onwards and hit 100k for semis and 150k for the final. That should be the aim within the next 3-5 years.

That will come with more teams in the league and stronger NPL/2nd div teams. Right now the cup isn't that big.

Mediaweek ‏@MediaweekAUS 6m6 minutes ago

I'm waiting for foxtel figures tbh. 

97k on Fox.

Has there ever been a City vPerth game that got anywhere close to that?

Corresponding game last year? 50,000 on FOX.

And once again, Foxtel outrated FTA which is outrageous. A 97k game on Fox should be getting 200-350k on a proper FTA network.

Was that game at the begining of the season?

Interesting on the ratings... Also can some out their put this into a usable chat ..

I have compared last years Fox ratings of games and put in Season to date figures.

The first coloum is number so 20K means above 20K and less than the next row which is 30K. the next coloum is 2015 / 16 season and the next colum is this season to date.

20K === 7 games === 0
30K === 10 games == 0
40K === 35 games == 0
50K === 28 games == 2 games
60K === 30 games == 1 game
70K === 11 games == 1 game
80K === 7 games === 2 games
90K === 3 games === 1 game
100K+ = 5 games === 4 games

Total = 135 games === 11 games

So last year we had a total of 5 games on fox with 100k + ratings, and this year we have already jad four?

Am i reading this correctly. If so thats a good sign. Would be interesting to see other years as well.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

You read it correctly I got the details from Wookies site, when back to last season.. Last year 5 games 100 K + this year 4 to date and if MV V AU can rate 100K + tonight we will have equalled last years big ratings ... Fox I guess are happy with the see figures.  

Amazing we had 52 games under 50K with the number in the 20 to 30 K simply amazing.

Thats a good way to break down the ratings. Similar to how we look at crowd figures. Hopefully someone can break down the figures for the past few years that way too.

Is this what you are after?

I havent graphed anything below 25k - theres a number of ratings that just arent reported - especially across 2013-2014. Also note 2012 had no FTA coverage which some believe probably impacted viewing figures.

Wookie

Thanks for all your work.... I was looking at this from more a spreadsheet view like I have above... not overly concerned about going back to far ... I used last year Fox ratings under 58K as a key average... but more looking at how many high and how many lows and at what value.

Just as an aside many many moons ago well before I opened my own practice I worked on Murdoch's personal staff [newspapers and commercial printing] and in my practice had a client [passed away 3 years ago] but he was the technical director for analysing sporting trend, crowds, rating etc and future forecasting, we had many long chats over meals and too many Hunter  reds...  He sat at the table when all the big media deals were done across all codes .... why do I mention this because he often told me the effect of big numbers and how many you can get ... for Football in Fox that would be over say 90 k ... also the number of small games ... the same at News how many big runs ... So its almost for myself and I used last year's as a guide ..

Wookie the client once opened up his PC and showed me the tracking of pregame code coverage, across all media platforms, talk back effect etc and how this effected ratings and crowds... further there were tipping points when pass a certain number of big events and the media coverage will change as the formulas and forecasting try to gauge future trends .... I was gob smacked at the level of detail, the assumptions etc ... your work across the codes is detailed and allows people like me to share some of my thoughts... 

So looking at these numbers a little more  i find the following\

Total number of games above 25k (with an actual rating number)

15-16 - 133 Games
14-15 - 117 Games
13-14 - 128 Games
12-13 - 127 Games

So while 15-16 had the some of the lowest ratings, it also had the most number of actual recorded games.

There is a number of ways this could be interpreted, but i think it means our core group of fans are getting more engaged with the game, watching more than just the Derby games and watching the league, not just when their team is playing. 

For the first time ever, I am going to agree with bluebird on something. If anyone thinks that because we are hitting 100k on Foxtel we should be pulling up to 350k on FTA, you probably will be disappointed. The 3.5x factor is probably not a reliable guide in our circumstance. For 12 years now, those who follow the A-League have had to purchase Foxtel. I am sure there are many out there who are the same as me and only have Foxtel now for the A-League coverage and nothing else. Therefore, when we move across to FTA, those who watched on Foxtel will now move across and watch on FTA (depending on the number of games broadcast and quality of the commentary and presentation) and you may also pick up a few extra casual viewers. I think the numbers will be around the 200k mark which is around some of the top ratings when it first came out on SBS.

Bluebird is very smartly setting himself up for an "I told you so" moment, even when the results of the FTA move may very well back up the views of those who have argued against him for so long but fail to reach their overly optimistic expectations of 350k.

The key measure of success for the FTA move will be consistency and growth. Bluebird may very well argue that we got a max of 200k on SBS and when we hit the same on Ch7/9/10 there is no difference and therefore the channel makes no difference whatsoever. However, the highest SBS rating in 2013/14 of 175,000 (Rnd 2) quickly dropped off to 59,000 (Rd 12) and the 215,000 in Rnd 1 2014/15 quickly dropped away to 76,000 by Rnd 12. Despite some of those big one off numbers on SBS, our numbers have more consistently been around the 70-80,000 mark, and last year, the 50-60,000 mark. If we can achieve a consistent base of 200k on a main channel FTA move and grow from there or at least hold steady, that would be a huge success and show that the channel does make a difference. Even a drop off to a consistent base of over 100k would be a partial success. If we hit 200k to start the year and drop off to 60k by mid year, that will show that the channel has not made a difference, and is the only circumstance in which Bluebird can say "I told you so".

The main channels will get more views because no one, and i mean no one flicks through SBS thinking what is on tonight. It would also help if there was actually advertising so people knew about the match which you would get on 7,9 and 10. There is no casual viewers who watch it on SBS and that's the problem, because there will be people who aren't the biggest fans of the sport but they aren't against and seeing it on TV might mean they start watching and supporting the matches. It also gets more kids to watch A League matches and they may like it.

Overall the ratings would increase significantly, on a half related note does anyone have the ratings for the EPL matches on SBS or foxtel last season, mainly to see it as a comparison.