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+x+x+x+xThe fact the election is this close really is a sad indictment of American politics. Election night will be a shitshow, but Hillary is still going to be President. This is just the beginning - nationalism is on the upswing. Nah. For all its flaws, America isn't Europe. The bumper-sticker patriotism that has fueled Trump is not what you want it to be. Trump may speak to white nationalists, but they remain a small minority of Americans (and even of Trump supporters). I'm not talking about purely white nationalists, I'm talking about populism across the world. It's been festering for a long time, but the Syrian refugee crisis and the inability to tackle the Islamic problem has really brought it too the forefront. UKIP/Brexit in the UK, Front National in France, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, Orban (?) in Hungary. Hell, even over here we have Pauline and Duarte to our North. Whether you like it or not, this sentiment is not going away when Trump (probably) loses. Golden dawn (Fascist Party) in Greece as well with NAZI salutes and symbols. In one sense, I am kind of glad that these parties are springing up, to counter balance or the nonsense from the Left. People are angry. It's even in Australia with Pauline. It's happening here too.
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Aikhme
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+x+x+x+x+xThe fact the election is this close really is a sad indictment of American politics. Election night will be a shitshow, but Hillary is still going to be President. This is just the beginning - nationalism is on the upswing. Nah. For all its flaws, America isn't Europe. The bumper-sticker patriotism that has fueled Trump is not what you want it to be. Trump may speak to white nationalists, but they remain a small minority of Americans (and even of Trump supporters). I'm not talking about purely white nationalists, I'm talking about populism across the world. It's been festering for a long time, but the Syrian refugee crisis and the inability to tackle the Islamic problem has really brought it too the forefront. UKIP/Brexit in the UK, Front National in France, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, Orban (?) in Hungary. Hell, even over here we have Pauline and Duarte to our North. Whether you like it or not, this sentiment is not going away when Trump (probably) loses. I agree that populism is on the rise, and that nationalism seems to be going hand-in-hand with it. But I think it's very simplistic to compare populism in the American context to populism in the European context. It certainly is on the rise in places like France/Italy/Eastern Europe (the UK is, imo, another separate case), but I think it's far too early to suggest that Trump is the start of a broader, long-term national populist movement in American politics. What astounds me about right-wing populists (and the alt-right) is how easily they've been conned by Trump. He's different from European populists who truly believe in what they're running for (however disgraceful their platforms may be). Trump is not your champion, he's a narcissist. If he is somehow elected, he'll cause plenty of chaos but at the end of the day will probably be little more than a rubber stamp for Paul Ryan's Republican congress. If Trump thought he'd get the most attention running on a far-left progressive platform, he'd have done that. But rather, he's picked the most gullible, least educated group of people to exploit - and it amazes me that even politically-minded people who actually care about right-wing populist values (scummy as they may be) have jumped on the bandwagon as well. These are certainly worrying times (at least on my side of the political fence), but you shouldn't be cocky enough to take the mass delusion of almost half the American voting public as a vindication of your own beliefs. That just about does it for me. If I was an American voter, I would now convert to voting Trump after reading this.
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so, most of the talk is about, what happens if the polls move towards the margin of error on Trump side, but how does it look if it move towards HRC margin of error 
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+xso, most of the talk is about, what happens if the polls move towards the margin of error on Trump side, but how does it look if it move towards HRC margin of error You clearly have zero idea if you think Trump loses Arizona and Ohio.
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adrtho2
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+x+xso, most of the talk is about, what happens if the polls move towards the margin of error on Trump side, but how does it look if it move towards HRC margin of error You clearly have zero idea if you think Trump loses Arizona and Ohio. I don't believe he will.....it just to show how it looks if things go HRC way , swing towards HRC poll margin of error
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TheDecider
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+x+xso, most of the talk is about, what happens if the polls move towards the margin of error on Trump side, but how does it look if it move towards HRC margin of error You clearly have zero idea if you think Trump loses Arizona and Ohio. His point is that Trump supporters going on about polling errors (with the ridiculous Brexit comparison) fail to recognise that if there is an error, it could just as easily be in Trump's favour as in Clinton's. That is: Clinton seems to be averaging a 3.5% point lead in the polls - if the polls are off by 4%, that could mean Trump wins by 0.5%, or it could mean Clinton wins by 7.5%.
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TheDecider
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe fact the election is this close really is a sad indictment of American politics. Election night will be a shitshow, but Hillary is still going to be President. This is just the beginning - nationalism is on the upswing. Nah. For all its flaws, America isn't Europe. The bumper-sticker patriotism that has fueled Trump is not what you want it to be. Trump may speak to white nationalists, but they remain a small minority of Americans (and even of Trump supporters). I'm not talking about purely white nationalists, I'm talking about populism across the world. It's been festering for a long time, but the Syrian refugee crisis and the inability to tackle the Islamic problem has really brought it too the forefront. UKIP/Brexit in the UK, Front National in France, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, Orban (?) in Hungary. Hell, even over here we have Pauline and Duarte to our North. Whether you like it or not, this sentiment is not going away when Trump (probably) loses. I agree that populism is on the rise, and that nationalism seems to be going hand-in-hand with it. But I think it's very simplistic to compare populism in the American context to populism in the European context. It certainly is on the rise in places like France/Italy/Eastern Europe (the UK is, imo, another separate case), but I think it's far too early to suggest that Trump is the start of a broader, long-term national populist movement in American politics. What astounds me about right-wing populists (and the alt-right) is how easily they've been conned by Trump. He's different from European populists who truly believe in what they're running for (however disgraceful their platforms may be). Trump is not your champion, he's a narcissist. If he is somehow elected, he'll cause plenty of chaos but at the end of the day will probably be little more than a rubber stamp for Paul Ryan's Republican congress. If Trump thought he'd get the most attention running on a far-left progressive platform, he'd have done that. But rather, he's picked the most gullible, least educated group of people to exploit - and it amazes me that even politically-minded people who actually care about right-wing populist values (scummy as they may be) have jumped on the bandwagon as well. These are certainly worrying times (at least on my side of the political fence), but you shouldn't be cocky enough to take the mass delusion of almost half the American voting public as a vindication of your own beliefs. He's been expressing his views for a looong time. Get ready to apologise when Trump uncovers all the shit that's been going on these last 30 years. [YouTube]OCabT_O0YSM[/youtube] He spent most of his adult life as a Democrat. He voted for Obama in 2008. In 2011 he saw an opportunity for attention and ran with it. After Romney lost in 2012 he said that the Republican party would never win unless it offered amnesty to undocumented immigrants. Then over the last few years he's co-opted the views you hold so dear for personal gain. Up to that point, every single public comment he had made about the Clintons was positive (he defended Bill during the Lewinsky scandal, he declared that Hillary would make a "great" president when she first ran in 2008). For someone with your political views, you might think he's a lesser evil than Clinton - but it's pretty hilarious that you've been conned into thinking he's some sort of messiah for right-wing populism. The only person Donald cares about is himself.
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I love elections so I'm looking forward to the coverage tomorrow. US analysis is always good fun :)
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TheDecider
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+xI love elections so I'm looking forward to the coverage tomorrow. US analysis is always good fun :) I am so looking forward to flicking across to Fox News once Hillary wins. Their meltdown in 2012 was beautiful; I think this could be even better.
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adrtho2
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+x+x+xso, most of the talk is about, what happens if the polls move towards the margin of error on Trump side, but how does it look if it move towards HRC margin of error You clearly have zero idea if you think Trump loses Arizona and Ohio. His point is that Trump supporters going on about polling errors (with the ridiculous Brexit comparison) fail to recognise that if there is an error, it could just as easily be in Trump's favour as in Clinton's. That is: Clinton seems to be averaging a 3.5% point lead in the polls - if the polls are off by 4%, that could mean Trump wins by 0.5%, or it could mean Clinton wins by 7.5%. yes...everyone only look at one side of error....with out knowing more then what polls say, it just as likely to be HRC 7.5% as it is Trump 0.50%
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+x+xI love elections so I'm looking forward to the coverage tomorrow. US analysis is always good fun :) I am so looking forward to flicking across to Fox News once Hillary wins. Their meltdown in 2012 was beautiful; I think this could be even better. I think many fox news host (women) hoping Trump get smashed
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+x+xI love elections so I'm looking forward to the coverage tomorrow. US analysis is always good fun :) I am so looking forward to flicking across to Fox News once Hillary wins. Their meltdown in 2012 was beautiful; I think this could be even better. I'll be flicking amongst them all. It's great when they all make stupid and obviously biased calls one way or another. They don't have an Antony Green unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) :laugh:
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One day bitches fire up
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 My final prediction, for the hell of it.
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Thank fuck this will all be over soon. -PB
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+x+x+xI love elections so I'm looking forward to the coverage tomorrow. US analysis is always good fun :) I am so looking forward to flicking across to Fox News once Hillary wins. Their meltdown in 2012 was beautiful; I think this could be even better. I'll be flicking amongst them all. It's great when they all make stupid and obviously biased calls one way or another. They don't have an Antony Green unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) :laugh: You can watch Antony Green on ABC New 24
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+xThank fuck this will all be over soon. -PB Won't stop adrtho and co talking about it for the next 4 years. :laugh:
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Whoa Waleed is in America to cover it, thank fuck, I need some serious insight. -PB
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"Giant Meteor o'Death" is polling well on Facebook
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mcjules
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+x+x+x+xI love elections so I'm looking forward to the coverage tomorrow. US analysis is always good fun :) I am so looking forward to flicking across to Fox News once Hillary wins. Their meltdown in 2012 was beautiful; I think this could be even better. I'll be flicking amongst them all. It's great when they all make stupid and obviously biased calls one way or another. They don't have an Antony Green unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) :laugh: You can watch Antony Green on ABC New 24 Yes and a bunch of other Australian "pundits" on the commercial networks. Quite ridiculous really. Antony Green's expertise is in Australian polls and has quite sophisticated models to predict outcomes for local elections. While he'll be the best of the locals part of the fun is to watch the crazy coverage in the US.
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I wonder if any A-League players low key want to Make America Great Again. I know DJ Brox follows Cheeto Benito on Twitter, but he could just be following to see the dumb shit he tweets.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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+x+x+x+x+xI love elections so I'm looking forward to the coverage tomorrow. US analysis is always good fun :) I am so looking forward to flicking across to Fox News once Hillary wins. Their meltdown in 2012 was beautiful; I think this could be even better. I'll be flicking amongst them all. It's great when they all make stupid and obviously biased calls one way or another. They don't have an Antony Green unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) :laugh: You can watch Antony Green on ABC New 24 Yes and a bunch of other Australian "pundits" on the commercial networks. Quite ridiculous really. Antony Green's expertise is in Australian polls and has quite sophisticated models to predict outcomes for local elections. While he'll be the best of the locals part of the fun is to watch the crazy coverage in the US. Yes, that is true.
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+xI wonder if any A-League players low key want to Make America Great Again. I know DJ Brox follows Cheeto Benito on Twitter, but he could just be following to see the dumb shit he tweets. Brosquey is with Her.Unsurprising, considering how much of a legend he is.
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+x+xI wonder if any A-League players low key want to Make America Great Again. I know DJ Brox follows Cheeto Benito on Twitter, but he could just be following to see the dumb shit he tweets. Brosquey is with Her.Unsurprising, considering how much of a legend he is. That interview makes him sound like the most boring carnt ever. I bet he only smashes two Weet-Bix and doesn't drink caffeine past 3 pm.
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my final take...Trump going to get fucking smashed. ...the idea the Trump can shit on women, Shit on black, shit on Mexicans , have a shit ground organization that getting fucking killed by HRC and Dem ground organization , and be a dumb old white guy and win, no fucking way
to watch
forget watching Florida or NC, Trump has lost those states (and election) it about how far Trump get smashed and how fuck the republican party become because of Trump
the states to watch are
Ohio and Iowa
Georgia and Arizona
Watch to see how close Georgia and Arizona become blue states
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Trump is now suggesting pollsters put out numbers without actually interviewing people. From Fox & Friends: :laugh: what a fuck head Trump is
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Ohio and Iowa is very close,
but Florida Clinton going to win by 300,000 plus votes
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