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+x+xSouth Melbourne have been quiet Yea, that is very strange, surely they would be putting their hand up again. Maybe not that keen to lose money forever
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+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. Spot on. I would even argue that it could be included in the current expansion too. Adding on all those points you made, I think getting in now actually sets them up better for the future as the population of Melbourne continues to expand, things will only look better for them moving forward. Not to mention its not completely encroaching on City and Victory for their growth either, but would certainly provide 6 more massive games for the state.
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+x+x+xSouth Melbourne have been quiet Yea, that is very strange, surely they would be putting their hand up again. Maybe not that keen to lose money forever They were keen to lose it before, maybe they have wised up.
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Will the details be made public?
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I can't see another melb team.City are struggling for support.I am sure they will have pushed FFA for no new team for years.They have the money and clout to influence FFA.
It really comes down to who puts forward the most complete proposal.It's pointless talking bout where there should be a team,like South Syd,unless someone actually subits a serious funded proposal.That is a proposal which deals with funding should the team struggle for years.There is no guarantee that any preferred location will be successful based on location alone.If Tasmania ends up with the best bid,they should come in.
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+xWill the details be made public?
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+xWill the details be made public? 
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+xAddress all the "specified criteria" you want. At the end of the day, they will choose the bids they want. By 'they' you mean Fox right?
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+x+xCanberra out then. Auckland in......... They said 'broadcast appeal'. So Auckland, Christchurch, Stewart Island are out. See above post.
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Strikers or Geelong and Wollongong.
Tasmania in the A2.
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+x+xCity Sam.If the major factor is ratings,then it is completely guesswork.It doesnt matter where the team comes from ,there is no guarantee the ratings for that team will be acceptable.Melbourne Heart had crap ratings for a long time and are only improving with their marquee names.WSW was a one off.There are no other regions that offer such upside.A third Sydney team looks a good idea,for derbies.But I struggle to see why neutrals anywhere would want to watch them in big numbers over any other regional team.It really comes down to how fans nationwide view the team.That is why FFA need to get their metrics right.The idea of derbies is good.But seriously there are only two derbies and the competiton is full of teams with no derbies.I hope there are Football people in FFA that can cut through the economic rationalism of the the corporate bean counters like Gallop.The bean counters focus on where the biggest potential returns are for short term monetary gain and are prepared to cut the smaller or lower returning parts of the business ,so the balance sheet looks good and their bonuses keep coming.That sacrifices goodwill to a lot of the Football community that don't fit in with the short term focus.By taking a long term view ,monetary gains may be reduced short term ,as the base is built by maximising national footprint.But goodwill is created which will provide long term security and future success.Let Tasmania United live! :) Tasmania will have a team, but what the league needs next is a big attraction team. They don't want to throw another team struggling like CCM or the Nix, another big city team would create bigger interest in the league in a far bigger state. If that happens it means more money for the league for future expansions. Tasmania may be a good 13th or 14th team, but right now the aim is too expand the popularity of the sport in big cities, and that is Melbourne and Sydney, that is where the biggest sway is. What i expect to happen is a 3rd team in Victoria somewhere, then we'll get a Brisbane team followed by another Sydney team. By this stage almost every week there'll be a big match worth watching which will boost crowds and ratings, then they'll use the money from a better TV deal to get clubs like Tasmania in. Spot on!
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+xWill the details be made public? You can bet on it. At some point, somebody will get the shits with the way their brilliant bid has been rejected. At that moment the whole lot will be leaked and represented as racist, parochial, bigoted, financially corrupt, and many such other concepts by the party with the wounded ego. The net will respond with thoughtfully posted lizard faces.
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+x+xWill the details be made public? You can bet on it. At some point, somebody will get the shits with the way their brilliant bid has been rejected. At that moment the whole lot will be leaked and represented as racist, parochial, bigoted, financially corrupt, and many such other concepts by the party with the wounded ego. The net will respond with thoughtfully posted lizard faces. Is there a Greek lizard yet ?
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Imagine if West Adelaide and SM got in :lol:
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+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. What other sports club was successful in Geelong? The history and fanatical element of their connection with the Cats won't be recreated with football. Victoria isn't all that like NSW. There's not a huge identity difference between which area that would make tens of thousands of football fans currently in the Geelong/Ballarat area not support Victory or city if they were LTTP. The stadium is bad for football, TV zone is not really an issue at all unless a 2nd WA or NZ team. I don't see a 3rd team in Vic being viable. Saying that, i'd be happy to see how many people would put down money to commit to being a member to a Geelong team. How many did Canberra get? in the thousands i believe.
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What that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial
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the inconvenient truth time: tasmania in general has struggled to have a team in any league
They have teams in the cricket because they are propped up by a national board
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+xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial Or maybe the FFA actually realise that Tasmania would be a bottom team in the league with low interest, so that means Tasmania will be in once more big teams come into the league. Another, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne team come in, which creates far more bigger matches which therefore makes the sport even stronger in those areas which is great for the league as it is more money. Then with more money from a better TV deal due to increased popularity, it allows for teams like Tasmania to get an initial financial injection in the league and due to there location, will be a stable club when they are undoubtedly near the bottom. If FFA are thinking even further ahead about relegation, Tasmania wouldn't be a bad team to get relegated as it wouldn't hurt the league nor their support. But it is simple right now, they want another top end team, not another Wellignton Phoenix or CCM because another bottom team wouldn't help the league right now.
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+xSo from what i can gather this is where we are at: -The FFA have met with the Tasmania bid -The FFA have knocked them back for next season only, they can still lay out a bid once the framework is set out. This isn't a bad thing as it gives the bid more time to prepare and gather momentum -Tasmania have publicly set the bar & precedent for the other bids. What other bid can offer government support to the tune of 20-30m? -This will give a kick up the ass to any other region that is considering to bid and make them really up their game -So far we know the FFA has had 6 EOI's for the #11 & #12 spots -If due to Tasmania's public bid, increases more demand from more regions to EOI this creates an arms race from the regions to get a license (the more demand the better) -If somehow we start to receive 10 EOI's from other regions, we may have just found ourselves a footprint for a second division for aspiring clubs looking to crack it into the big league Exciting times indeed to be a football fan in this country good post
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We're missing the critical point that admitting Geelong creates another Victorian derby, which helps Melbourne City the FFA's darling of late.
In all seriousness I think it's too soon for Tasmania, the league needs teams that generate buzz (metrics) and even if the population of Geelong is comparable to Tasmania, having 3 Victorian teams would expose more people in that state to the game and help increase the overall A League profile.
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+x+xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial Or maybe the FFA actually realise that Tasmania would be a bottom team in the league with low interest, so that means Tasmania will be in once more big teams come into the league. Another, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne team come in, which creates far more bigger matches which therefore makes the sport even stronger in those areas which is great for the league as it is more money. Then with more money from a better TV deal due to increased popularity, it allows for teams like Tasmania to get an initial financial injection in the league and due to there location, will be a stable club when they are undoubtedly near the bottom. If FFA are thinking even further ahead about relegation, Tasmania wouldn't be a bad team to get relegated as it wouldn't hurt the league nor their support. But it is simple right now, they want another top end team, not another Wellignton Phoenix or CCM because another bottom team wouldn't help the league right now. What would Geelong bring that Tassie wouldnt? Derbies?? South Melbourne maybe but would Geelong really be a derby to the Melbourne teams? It would be a one sided ivalry no more than Tassie v Victory would be. I get that Geelong would be part of Melbournes TV zone but Tassie is a whole state of untapped potential with its own tv setup. In case you havent taken any notice of what the Tassie bid has stumped up staright up they have strong private backing(you know just a couple of guys that in the past happened to prop up aruably the strongest team in the HAL) plus strong local commercial and GOVERNMENT support and a written guarantee of $20-30 million from stadia infrastucture!! Ive noticed some people stating that Tassies no good because of playing out of a oval but Geelong?? Yeah Kardinia is fine! Tassie wouldnt cost the FFA anymore or anyless than what evey other team in the HAL would cost them. +x+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. Spot on. I would even argue that it could be included in the current expansion too. Adding on all those points you made, I think getting in now actually sets them up better for the future as the population of Melbourne continues to expand, things will only look better for them moving forward. Not to mention its not completely encroaching on City and Victory for their growth either, but would certainly provide 6 more massive games for the state. Majorit seems to think otherwise but same could be said for Macarthur over Sutherland/South Sydney?? or even Tassie!? +xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial I would be interested to see what other bids could match what Tassie has offered first up. Tassie may lack infrastructure at the moment but financially we'd be up there with the best financially. At the end of the day though you blokes arent the ones that need convincing.
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+x+x+xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial Or maybe the FFA actually realise that Tasmania would be a bottom team in the league with low interest, so that means Tasmania will be in once more big teams come into the league. Another, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne team come in, which creates far more bigger matches which therefore makes the sport even stronger in those areas which is great for the league as it is more money. Then with more money from a better TV deal due to increased popularity, it allows for teams like Tasmania to get an initial financial injection in the league and due to there location, will be a stable club when they are undoubtedly near the bottom. If FFA are thinking even further ahead about relegation, Tasmania wouldn't be a bad team to get relegated as it wouldn't hurt the league nor their support. But it is simple right now, they want another top end team, not another Wellignton Phoenix or CCM because another bottom team wouldn't help the league right now. What would Geelong bring that Tassie wouldnt? Derbies?? South Melbourne maybe but would Geelong really be a derby to the Melbourne teams? It would be a one sided ivalry no more than Tassie v Victory would be. I get that Geelong would be part of Melbournes TV zone but Tassie is a whole state of untapped potential with its own tv setup. In case you havent taken any notice of what the Tassie bid has stumped up staright up they have strong private backing(you know just a couple of guys that in the past happened to prop up aruably the strongest team in the HAL) plus strong local commercial and GOVERNMENT support and a written guarantee of $20-30 million from stadia infrastucture!! Ive noticed some people stating that Tassies no good because of playing out of a oval but Geelong?? Yeah Kardinia is fine! Tassie wouldnt cost the FFA anymore or anyless than what evey other team in the HAL would cost them. +x+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. Spot on. I would even argue that it could be included in the current expansion too. Adding on all those points you made, I think getting in now actually sets them up better for the future as the population of Melbourne continues to expand, things will only look better for them moving forward. Not to mention its not completely encroaching on City and Victory for their growth either, but would certainly provide 6 more massive games for the state. Majorit seems to think otherwise but same could be said for Macarthur over Sutherland/South Sydney?? or even Tassie!? +xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial I would be interested to see what other bids could match what Tassie has offered first up. Tassie may lack infrastructure at the moment but financially we'd be up there with the best financially. At the end of the day though you blokes arent the ones that need convincing. Geelong would most definitely create massive matches in Melbourne, so would SM if they have a better offer. Sorry but Tasmania wouldn't be an attraction, they'd pull poor numbers, have a weak squad and wouldn't attract any great talent. The league doesn't want a team that will be near the bottom, that is why you were rejected. You'll get into the league one day, but it sure won't be as the next expansion club as the league needs some more life with better teams.
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+xWe're missing the critical point that admitting Geelong creates another Victorian derby, which helps Melbourne City the FFA's darling of late. In all seriousness I think it's too soon for Tasmania, the league needs teams that generate buzz (metrics) and even if the population of Geelong is comparable to Tasmania, having 3 Victorian teams would expose more people in that state to the game and help increase the overall A League profile. Will Geelong really be a derby though? I mean the real hate filled, two sided one every one expects? Is it too soon though? How often does a chance like this for a Tasmanian team come round? Whos to say the same backing will be there in a few years time? Then you would have to say its too late?
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+x+xDon't really care tbh - we all know the FFA will fudge the 'criteria' to get what they want. if they lay it out and actually show in real terms what they are looking for there can be no more excuses. Its not going to be "do x, y & z" and you are in. It will be show us how much you think you can contribute value in respect of x, y & z, and we will make our own internal assessment and then choose who we think is the best option.
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+x+x+x+xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial Or maybe the FFA actually realise that Tasmania would be a bottom team in the league with low interest, so that means Tasmania will be in once more big teams come into the league. Another, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne team come in, which creates far more bigger matches which therefore makes the sport even stronger in those areas which is great for the league as it is more money. Then with more money from a better TV deal due to increased popularity, it allows for teams like Tasmania to get an initial financial injection in the league and due to there location, will be a stable club when they are undoubtedly near the bottom. If FFA are thinking even further ahead about relegation, Tasmania wouldn't be a bad team to get relegated as it wouldn't hurt the league nor their support. But it is simple right now, they want another top end team, not another Wellignton Phoenix or CCM because another bottom team wouldn't help the league right now. What would Geelong bring that Tassie wouldnt? Derbies?? South Melbourne maybe but would Geelong really be a derby to the Melbourne teams? It would be a one sided ivalry no more than Tassie v Victory would be. I get that Geelong would be part of Melbournes TV zone but Tassie is a whole state of untapped potential with its own tv setup. In case you havent taken any notice of what the Tassie bid has stumped up staright up they have strong private backing(you know just a couple of guys that in the past happened to prop up aruably the strongest team in the HAL) plus strong local commercial and GOVERNMENT support and a written guarantee of $20-30 million from stadia infrastucture!! Ive noticed some people stating that Tassies no good because of playing out of a oval but Geelong?? Yeah Kardinia is fine! Tassie wouldnt cost the FFA anymore or anyless than what evey other team in the HAL would cost them. +x+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. Spot on. I would even argue that it could be included in the current expansion too. Adding on all those points you made, I think getting in now actually sets them up better for the future as the population of Melbourne continues to expand, things will only look better for them moving forward. Not to mention its not completely encroaching on City and Victory for their growth either, but would certainly provide 6 more massive games for the state. Majorit seems to think otherwise but same could be said for Macarthur over Sutherland/South Sydney?? or even Tassie!? +xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial I would be interested to see what other bids could match what Tassie has offered first up. Tassie may lack infrastructure at the moment but financially we'd be up there with the best financially. At the end of the day though you blokes arent the ones that need convincing. Geelong would most definitely create massive matches in Melbourne, so would SM if they have a better offer. Sorry but Tasmania wouldn't be an attraction, they'd pull poor numbers, have a weak squad and wouldn't attract any great talent. The league doesn't want a team that will be near the bottom, that is why you were rejected. You'll get into the league one day, but it sure won't be as the next expansion club as the league needs some more life with better teams. I guess it depends on which side of the fence you want too look at it though doesnt it? As someone out of Victoria I cant seen how Geelong would be any more of a derby than Tassie vs Victory would be. Try too think of Tassie v Victory as in Adelaide vs Victory.
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+x+x+x+x+xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial Or maybe the FFA actually realise that Tasmania would be a bottom team in the league with low interest, so that means Tasmania will be in once more big teams come into the league. Another, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne team come in, which creates far more bigger matches which therefore makes the sport even stronger in those areas which is great for the league as it is more money. Then with more money from a better TV deal due to increased popularity, it allows for teams like Tasmania to get an initial financial injection in the league and due to there location, will be a stable club when they are undoubtedly near the bottom. If FFA are thinking even further ahead about relegation, Tasmania wouldn't be a bad team to get relegated as it wouldn't hurt the league nor their support. But it is simple right now, they want another top end team, not another Wellignton Phoenix or CCM because another bottom team wouldn't help the league right now. What would Geelong bring that Tassie wouldnt? Derbies?? South Melbourne maybe but would Geelong really be a derby to the Melbourne teams? It would be a one sided ivalry no more than Tassie v Victory would be. I get that Geelong would be part of Melbournes TV zone but Tassie is a whole state of untapped potential with its own tv setup. In case you havent taken any notice of what the Tassie bid has stumped up staright up they have strong private backing(you know just a couple of guys that in the past happened to prop up aruably the strongest team in the HAL) plus strong local commercial and GOVERNMENT support and a written guarantee of $20-30 million from stadia infrastucture!! Ive noticed some people stating that Tassies no good because of playing out of a oval but Geelong?? Yeah Kardinia is fine! Tassie wouldnt cost the FFA anymore or anyless than what evey other team in the HAL would cost them. +x+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. Spot on. I would even argue that it could be included in the current expansion too. Adding on all those points you made, I think getting in now actually sets them up better for the future as the population of Melbourne continues to expand, things will only look better for them moving forward. Not to mention its not completely encroaching on City and Victory for their growth either, but would certainly provide 6 more massive games for the state. Majorit seems to think otherwise but same could be said for Macarthur over Sutherland/South Sydney?? or even Tassie!? +xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial I would be interested to see what other bids could match what Tassie has offered first up. Tassie may lack infrastructure at the moment but financially we'd be up there with the best financially. At the end of the day though you blokes arent the ones that need convincing. Geelong would most definitely create massive matches in Melbourne, so would SM if they have a better offer. Sorry but Tasmania wouldn't be an attraction, they'd pull poor numbers, have a weak squad and wouldn't attract any great talent. The league doesn't want a team that will be near the bottom, that is why you were rejected. You'll get into the league one day, but it sure won't be as the next expansion club as the league needs some more life with better teams. I guess it depends on which side of the fence you want too look at it though doesnt it? As someone out of Victoria I cant seen how Geelong would be any more of a derby than Tassie vs Victory would be. Try too think of Tassie v Victory as in Adelaide vs Victory. Trust me on this, it would be a massive match.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial Or maybe the FFA actually realise that Tasmania would be a bottom team in the league with low interest, so that means Tasmania will be in once more big teams come into the league. Another, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne team come in, which creates far more bigger matches which therefore makes the sport even stronger in those areas which is great for the league as it is more money. Then with more money from a better TV deal due to increased popularity, it allows for teams like Tasmania to get an initial financial injection in the league and due to there location, will be a stable club when they are undoubtedly near the bottom. If FFA are thinking even further ahead about relegation, Tasmania wouldn't be a bad team to get relegated as it wouldn't hurt the league nor their support. But it is simple right now, they want another top end team, not another Wellignton Phoenix or CCM because another bottom team wouldn't help the league right now. What would Geelong bring that Tassie wouldnt? Derbies?? South Melbourne maybe but would Geelong really be a derby to the Melbourne teams? It would be a one sided ivalry no more than Tassie v Victory would be. I get that Geelong would be part of Melbournes TV zone but Tassie is a whole state of untapped potential with its own tv setup. In case you havent taken any notice of what the Tassie bid has stumped up staright up they have strong private backing(you know just a couple of guys that in the past happened to prop up aruably the strongest team in the HAL) plus strong local commercial and GOVERNMENT support and a written guarantee of $20-30 million from stadia infrastucture!! Ive noticed some people stating that Tassies no good because of playing out of a oval but Geelong?? Yeah Kardinia is fine! Tassie wouldnt cost the FFA anymore or anyless than what evey other team in the HAL would cost them. +x+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. Spot on. I would even argue that it could be included in the current expansion too. Adding on all those points you made, I think getting in now actually sets them up better for the future as the population of Melbourne continues to expand, things will only look better for them moving forward. Not to mention its not completely encroaching on City and Victory for their growth either, but would certainly provide 6 more massive games for the state. Majorit seems to think otherwise but same could be said for Macarthur over Sutherland/South Sydney?? or even Tassie!? +xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial I would be interested to see what other bids could match what Tassie has offered first up. Tassie may lack infrastructure at the moment but financially we'd be up there with the best financially. At the end of the day though you blokes arent the ones that need convincing. Geelong would most definitely create massive matches in Melbourne, so would SM if they have a better offer. Sorry but Tasmania wouldn't be an attraction, they'd pull poor numbers, have a weak squad and wouldn't attract any great talent. The league doesn't want a team that will be near the bottom, that is why you were rejected. You'll get into the league one day, but it sure won't be as the next expansion club as the league needs some more life with better teams. I guess it depends on which side of the fence you want too look at it though doesnt it? As someone out of Victoria I cant seen how Geelong would be any more of a derby than Tassie vs Victory would be. Try too think of Tassie v Victory as in Adelaide vs Victory. Trust me on this, it would be a massive match. In a neutrals eyes Geelong vs Victory would be CCM vs Sydney. No more interest than a Tassie team would produce.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial Or maybe the FFA actually realise that Tasmania would be a bottom team in the league with low interest, so that means Tasmania will be in once more big teams come into the league. Another, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne team come in, which creates far more bigger matches which therefore makes the sport even stronger in those areas which is great for the league as it is more money. Then with more money from a better TV deal due to increased popularity, it allows for teams like Tasmania to get an initial financial injection in the league and due to there location, will be a stable club when they are undoubtedly near the bottom. If FFA are thinking even further ahead about relegation, Tasmania wouldn't be a bad team to get relegated as it wouldn't hurt the league nor their support. But it is simple right now, they want another top end team, not another Wellignton Phoenix or CCM because another bottom team wouldn't help the league right now. What would Geelong bring that Tassie wouldnt? Derbies?? South Melbourne maybe but would Geelong really be a derby to the Melbourne teams? It would be a one sided ivalry no more than Tassie v Victory would be. I get that Geelong would be part of Melbournes TV zone but Tassie is a whole state of untapped potential with its own tv setup. In case you havent taken any notice of what the Tassie bid has stumped up staright up they have strong private backing(you know just a couple of guys that in the past happened to prop up aruably the strongest team in the HAL) plus strong local commercial and GOVERNMENT support and a written guarantee of $20-30 million from stadia infrastucture!! Ive noticed some people stating that Tassies no good because of playing out of a oval but Geelong?? Yeah Kardinia is fine! Tassie wouldnt cost the FFA anymore or anyless than what evey other team in the HAL would cost them. +x+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. Spot on. I would even argue that it could be included in the current expansion too. Adding on all those points you made, I think getting in now actually sets them up better for the future as the population of Melbourne continues to expand, things will only look better for them moving forward. Not to mention its not completely encroaching on City and Victory for their growth either, but would certainly provide 6 more massive games for the state. Majorit seems to think otherwise but same could be said for Macarthur over Sutherland/South Sydney?? or even Tassie!? +xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial I would be interested to see what other bids could match what Tassie has offered first up. Tassie may lack infrastructure at the moment but financially we'd be up there with the best financially. At the end of the day though you blokes arent the ones that need convincing. Geelong would most definitely create massive matches in Melbourne, so would SM if they have a better offer. Sorry but Tasmania wouldn't be an attraction, they'd pull poor numbers, have a weak squad and wouldn't attract any great talent. The league doesn't want a team that will be near the bottom, that is why you were rejected. You'll get into the league one day, but it sure won't be as the next expansion club as the league needs some more life with better teams. I guess it depends on which side of the fence you want too look at it though doesnt it? As someone out of Victoria I cant seen how Geelong would be any more of a derby than Tassie vs Victory would be. Try too think of Tassie v Victory as in Adelaide vs Victory. Trust me on this, it would be a massive match. In a neutrals eyes Geelong vs Victory would be CCM vs Sydney. No more interest than a Tassie team would produce. Not in Melbourne, Geelong would be a massive match, a Tassie team would produce the same interest of any team playing the CCM or the Nix.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial Or maybe the FFA actually realise that Tasmania would be a bottom team in the league with low interest, so that means Tasmania will be in once more big teams come into the league. Another, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne team come in, which creates far more bigger matches which therefore makes the sport even stronger in those areas which is great for the league as it is more money. Then with more money from a better TV deal due to increased popularity, it allows for teams like Tasmania to get an initial financial injection in the league and due to there location, will be a stable club when they are undoubtedly near the bottom. If FFA are thinking even further ahead about relegation, Tasmania wouldn't be a bad team to get relegated as it wouldn't hurt the league nor their support. But it is simple right now, they want another top end team, not another Wellignton Phoenix or CCM because another bottom team wouldn't help the league right now. What would Geelong bring that Tassie wouldnt? Derbies?? South Melbourne maybe but would Geelong really be a derby to the Melbourne teams? It would be a one sided ivalry no more than Tassie v Victory would be. I get that Geelong would be part of Melbournes TV zone but Tassie is a whole state of untapped potential with its own tv setup. In case you havent taken any notice of what the Tassie bid has stumped up staright up they have strong private backing(you know just a couple of guys that in the past happened to prop up aruably the strongest team in the HAL) plus strong local commercial and GOVERNMENT support and a written guarantee of $20-30 million from stadia infrastucture!! Ive noticed some people stating that Tassies no good because of playing out of a oval but Geelong?? Yeah Kardinia is fine! Tassie wouldnt cost the FFA anymore or anyless than what evey other team in the HAL would cost them. +x+x+xWhy would you consider Geelong? They are a smallish area. Very close to Melbourne that has 2 teams. They already have a AFL club that would take a large pie of any local sponsorship revenue and they are fanatical about it. I really don't see much angst between Melbourne and Geelong that would make football fans there not support one of the two teams 1 hour up the road? Now if i lived in Tasmania or Canberra, i can totally get not caring all that much about any team in the A-league.
Honestly, I think the fact that a smallish town has fanatical support for a successful sporting team already gives greater credence to allowing another code to work in the region. Not to mention that Geelong ticks a lot of the boxes that other bids don't: -Existing stadium infrastructure at Kardinia Park (long term goal to have a boutique rectangle, but Kardinia Park more than adequate to get the team up and running) -Council support -Strong football history (produced international footballers such as Josip Skoko, Steve Horvat, Joey Didulica and Matt Spiranovic) -Melbourne TV zone -Booming amateur participation -Geographical difference with existing Melbourne clubs whilst still being close enough to draw on the booming growth of Melbourne's west -History of successful professional sports clubs Really, the only thing that makes it an unattractive proposition to most is the small population of the immediate area (approx ~220k as of last year) - this ignores the fact that Geelong is going to be swallowed by Melbourne in the coming decades (much like Frankston has been) so why not beat the punch and have a team that will be competitive on and off the park with limitless upward growth? I know the FFA wants money asap, and I know the money is generated by big city derbies. I realise that. However, there is no reason why a Geelong bid can't be considered as your 13th expansion side. Spot on. I would even argue that it could be included in the current expansion too. Adding on all those points you made, I think getting in now actually sets them up better for the future as the population of Melbourne continues to expand, things will only look better for them moving forward. Not to mention its not completely encroaching on City and Victory for their growth either, but would certainly provide 6 more massive games for the state. Majorit seems to think otherwise but same could be said for Macarthur over Sutherland/South Sydney?? or even Tassie!? +xWhat that basically means is we are looking for 4-6 clubs bigger than Tasmania, and looking at introducing them in the next 3-5 years Once the knuckleheads at the FFA realise this isn't the AFL / NRL they would understand that Tasmania is perfect for a low cost unbalanced sport that is viable instead of commercial I would be interested to see what other bids could match what Tassie has offered first up. Tassie may lack infrastructure at the moment but financially we'd be up there with the best financially. At the end of the day though you blokes arent the ones that need convincing. Geelong would most definitely create massive matches in Melbourne, so would SM if they have a better offer. Sorry but Tasmania wouldn't be an attraction, they'd pull poor numbers, have a weak squad and wouldn't attract any great talent. The league doesn't want a team that will be near the bottom, that is why you were rejected. You'll get into the league one day, but it sure won't be as the next expansion club as the league needs some more life with better teams. I guess it depends on which side of the fence you want too look at it though doesnt it? As someone out of Victoria I cant seen how Geelong would be any more of a derby than Tassie vs Victory would be. Try too think of Tassie v Victory as in Adelaide vs Victory. Trust me on this, it would be a massive match. In a neutrals eyes Geelong vs Victory would be CCM vs Sydney. No more interest than a Tassie team would produce. Not in Melbourne, Geelong would be a massive match, a Tassie team would produce the same interest of any team playing the CCM or the Nix. Not in Tassie it wouldn't.
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