@RyanMThat's a bit like saying SFC play in the NPL .... and it doesn't answer the question - would football be better off if Nix (senior team) played in the NZ domestic competition?And as for the assertion that Nix "often outrate" smaller Australian clubs I'm pretty sure the average ratings published on another thread had Nix firmly at the bottom.

Simple solution to all this. It shouldn't be up to the FFA or the fans to decide which teams deserve to be in the A-league or not. Bring in promotion/relegation and let the the results of each club decide for us.

Aus clubs cant play their way into the csl though. I 100% believe we should have p/r. But even of we had p/r nz clubs still shouldnt be playing in our league. 

Yep, it's also a disgrace they are allowed to be in the FFA Cup as well. 

It beggars belief. They win it and the whole comp loses credibilty and integrity...and Just becomes a complete joke. It defies the whole purpose of the entire thing.. 

They werent in it initially and i was like, good stuff ffa, they get it.....and then typical ffa logic prevailed.

ok, theyre in the league, its dumb, ok, but how could anyone justify their inclusion in the cup. 

Im sorry but melb city are a hundred times more interesting to watch than phoenix. Agree with ccm tho

The CCM that provides decent away games for three clubs? Youre telling me you want to get rid of that. 

I like CCM. They have their own stadium, it's a great location and has had more than its fair share of talent and success on the pitch. Every time kicking NZ becomes a reasonable option, some wanker has to bring up CCM. It's beyond a joke. 

The CCM that provides decent away games for three clubs? Youre telling me you want to get rid of that. 

I like CCM. They have their own stadium, it's a great location and has had more than its fair share of talent and success on the pitch. Every time kicking NZ becomes a reasonable option, some wanker has to bring up CCM. It's beyond a joke. 

The only way the Phoenix can remain relevant is if they become the Toronto fc of the A league, Toronto has one of the most expensive squads in MLS, average over 25,000 a game and have all marquee spots allocated including arguably the best player in MLS in Giovinco. Basically they're now adding value to MLS as a whole and a lot of there games are expected to be broadcast on ESPN next season such is the excitement they generated.The Phoenix on the other hand, on top of what we already know, they can't even lure Rojas back home let alone sign someone of note..

This argument is annoying, every time we are under performing there are those saying we should be kicked out. Had we won last night would Bozza still be saying the same thing?

You are under performing everywhere though, not just on the pitch. 

How do you know that?

@BenjaminPart of my angst is it shouldn't take kicking out the Nix to add a team that is ready to go with a sustainable business model but that's not the point of this thread.You mention cash drain, by all reports under the previous deal the Nix were costing around $500k more than Australian teams after travel allowance payments.When you consider the deal has now been significantly increased, it doesn't seem like all that large of a number. When the FFA renegotiate the Sky TV deal, that number will reducee that number more.If a new team like South (or Tas, or South Sydney or wherever) were to be added, we'd only be 1 team away from an increase in TV money. Considering the FFA's history with expansion it's probably unlikely that we even see two new teams added, but it's still far more likely than 3 teams added in the next few years, imo.Off the field for the Nix, they have just signed their largest deal everwith Huawei- not many teams boast a sponsor of that stature. They also averaged 9k last year iirc, a very reasonable number that compares favourably to other teams in the league, before they were hit with the 'we might fold your club' phase which kills a club trying to build.It's just far more preferable imo to have teams like South become expansion teams rather than replacement teams.

We average 7.7k in Wellington. 

Has anyone asked the question why the FFA were considering Auckland as a future expansion team? The first would be to give the nix a NZ rival which makes sense but if you look deeper and wonder if NZ would be a long term future for the A-League? Does the FFA know that in the future NZ may be part of the Asian conference.. If that's the case it wouldn't be suprising to see them pushing ahead with a league funded by two countries eventually . Looking at the positives you could have two countries to pool players from which won't affect foreign caps and this could be rubber stamped by the AFC if they deem it being acceptable. This is all reliant on NZ being part of the AFC. Of course, the OFC should be amalgamated with AFC in my opinion. This would give the smaller nations in the OFC a chance to play more meaningful matches against the smaller Asian countries.So in the next 10 years we could have a 16 or 18 league with 2 teams from NZ and 14/16 from Australia. Salary caps to increase or abolished and a highly competitive league played across two countries.

You know youre not wrong. Im one of those wankers. I do it when im defending smfc and ryanm no mates do it when theyre defending nix. Funny thing is, its in the spirit of pro rel when you think about it... attack the weakest link... if we cant do it on the park then by god we will do it with metrics lol

I agree though. I like them for all the reasons you mentioned, and for the COE. I end up also bagging them to get at midfielder and patty though ;) and it does boil my blood when ccm or jets are dissed to prop up the nix cause. 

And I'm pretty sure they have the lowest TV ratings

I don't think we do.

#NiXit

Like anyone cares what this coked up loser has to say, we are here to say and it gives me great amusement that it rustles some of you aussie wankers on here :laugh: We will win the league,finals or the FFA Cup one day and I'm looking forward to the meltdown on here.