Link to FNSW Fees.  NPL1 Team fee is $37,715 made up of  $8510 membership, $19,180 promotion and $10,025 referees all paid to FNSW.

http://www.footballnsw.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Resources_and_Documents/Circulars_and_Memos/20161208_-_1614_-_2017_National_Premier_and_State_Leagues_Competition_Registration_Fees.pdf

I can't see anywhere FFA fees for NPL.

So he has used a combined total of the 4 to get $100 000 ?

The U20, U18 and youth team fees etc etc are there.  Maybe he grouped the total cost for a club for all teams it has to have?

Latest reports coming through is the FFA has called all the Presidents individually from each federation to stop clubs attending the AAFA meeting 

What is of major concern is that the FFA have set a scene with FIFA that there isn't enough market or capital for a national second tier and argue that state level NPL is the defacto second tier and the FFA CUP and NPL series at the end of each season is the engagement between the 2 tiers and national fixture

FFA view this move as a major threat to the position the have publicly taken with FIFA and the AFC

If the NPL clubs and association can demonstrate that they can fund and execute a true national second tier even without promotion and relegation from the onset then this will drive change at every level of football in this country which is much needed and overdue

To their credit the association is seeking to work with the FFA to narrow the gap between HAL and state tiers whilst extracting the best 200 players off a current 2000 that are playing NPL 1 state systems all in a pretty much similar standard

However I think the FFA will try to block its progress as this will loosen the FFAs control of the game

FFA has demonstrated that maintaining control is it's 1st 2nd and 3rd priority and growing the game is further down the list

Very interested as to how the federations will respond, as at some point they will need to be briefed.

What's in it for them?

 

Latest reports coming through is the FFA has called all the Presidents individually from each federation to stop clubs attending the AAFA meeting 

Can't be surprised by this really, but i still am. Even at the 11th hour they are politically meddling to derail progress. 

As far as using the excuse of not having the money - because theyve conveniently tied it all up in their own unsustainable model - probably wasnt the smartest route in hindsight. Like you say, if the NPL clubs can show that it is in fact possible, and they will, it will all royally backfire on FFA and theyll end up looking either incompetent...or devious, in the eyes of their masters. Neither is a good look, obviously. Popcorn at the ready. 

State Federations would lose the money that the clubs pay them now (for clubs who joined a new league) as well as trying to justify being paid the same amount for a comp that would become 3rd division.

If this is true it isn't a smart move by FFA. They are saying clubs arent allowed to talk with each other. North Korea stuff.

How are the presidents meant to know who is attending? Are they to call each club?

Again, FFA shows a lack of leadership (if true). Clubs are at the "F it , why not?" point and the FFA or state federations can't sanction anyone for having a meeting. They have lost control and will have to explain themselves to this group why things should continue in the same manner/direction. Face to face.

I actually believe it could be true because it reminds of when Gallop wrote the letter to FIFA about the tv deal and later blamed A-League clubs for being selfish. It's like he will turn around Nd blame the clubs or A-League clubs if indeed they can't meet the March 31 deadline and sanctions are imposed. Because if it is true and the association can prove the FFA tried to stop the meeting what are FIFA and AFC going to think.

All these points, it's precisely what I have been saying the past 24 hours in a few threads.

It's unlikely in the extreme that the FFA will take any of this lying down, and obviously they were always going to view it as a threat to their authority and control of the game.

This move by the NPL clubs cannot proceed in an orderly manner without the FFA's imprimatur, and the FFA has plenty of moves (contrary to popular opinion on this board), because they are still the official custodians of the game in Australia, with direct links to both FIFA and the AFC, direct links to government, to major sponsors, etc.

My assessment is not being pro or anti- the NPL clubs and/or the FFA, it's merely an assessment of the political reality.

Furthermore, any escalation of this sort of power play, rarely ends up well for the game as a whole, especially if all parties take up entrenched positions and refuse to play nicely.

^ Ha, yes, but who is the devil wanting to burn those with seats at the table - and who has seats, and which table are we talking about?

this is so dumb,  destined to fail.  all they are doing is causing a greater divide..

Well it doesn't matter. AAFC should just keep working and sign the remaining 40 clubs and maintain open lines with FIFA and AFC,

It won't take much money to start an NPLA. 

lol I never thought that drunken photoshop job would see the light of day again!

Okay Hollandia Roar supporter. 

It's not necessarily destined to fail, if they can get the FFA on board, it is a pretty good way to start up a national 2nd division, ultimately, the FFA might see some sense in that.

But yes, if the FFA view it as some sort of power struggle, a battle between themselves and a bunch of ex-NSL clubs, and entrench themselves in a battle position, then yes, such a divide can never be good for the game.

Its ffa that have to get with the program. Youve got it backwards. They dont tow the line and its sayonara. Heads will roll. 

It's a revolution! 

Revolutions, are by their very nature not easy. Blood will be splat on the falls and on the ground. but the revolution must go on.

Till victree! 

So what do people think are the odds a professional 2nd division will be up and running within 24 months

I've not weighed in on this discussion too much, what i will say is that this is a direct result of inaction by the FFA. Had they spent the time to work out how they could make a national second division work instead of just saying it wont work the NPL clubs would not have been forced into this move.

The FFA now must open the door to the proposal. Let the clubs come to them with their plan of how they will make this work before presenting it to the other stakeholders in the A league so between them they will be able to work out how they will manage promotion and relegation.

Personally i would like to see it be done via a playoff system between the winner of league two and the A league if the league two club meets certain requirements regarding their ability to supply suitable facilities etc.

I acknowledge there is a very real chance this may damage the game but there is an equally good chance should they get this right the game in australia may be ready to take off to a new level.

I think the odds are pretty reasonable that there will be a semi-professional type set-up to begin with. 

Agree. Good post. 

Just the last line though, 

"I acknowledge there is a very real chance this may damage the game"

Can you pls be explicit... i personally completely disagree with this statement, so it would be interesting to hear opposing views on specifically "how" a Second Divison will damage the game.

to be honest if I was in the ffas position I would be happy this initiative has taken place as it means they dont have to do it or fund it and they probably have their hands full with the a league and enforcing the national curriculum.

my thoughts exactly.  they are doing what the ffa is incapable of.  maybe the biggest concern for the ffa is being found out as the inept frauds that they are.  

Why would the FFA , who represent all of football in this country, conced to a few non professional VPL clubs that represent a hand full of members ( in the big scheme of things ) ? Sure. They Are voicing their opinion but ultimately have no power no money and represent a minority in terms of Australian football , it's just noise , it's not constructive and it will fizz out

I don't think it will fizz out as the NPL Clubs have nothing to lose. They are in a rutt and a dead end, and it's only natural for them to now want to explore new opportunities where they can play each other on a national level.

Some of the clubs are actually quite big too. I would say they are without money or resources or support. Some of them have about 2000 members which is fantastic going considering their current circumstances. 

It's sounds like you are worried. 

nice try

What i mean is that if this possible second division goes the way of the NSL with clubs being unable to meet their financial obligations and therefore having to drop out of the competition people will view it as we did in the dying days of the NSL, basically a farce.

I loved the game then and i love the game now. All i want to see is the game continue to grow

In Vic South Melbourne managed to pull $500k in direct sponsorship last season
Heidelberg, Hume and Bentleigh Greens are over $300k in a below the line competition and self generated by these clubs

Point is there are tier 2 sponsors out there 
Just because HAL is out of reach for them it does not mean there is no money for a second division

And you deleted the rest of my post without even responding.

Well, if the 2nd Div is fed by the state NPLs, the 2nd Div team will be docked points for entering administration and then get demoted at the end of the season (most probably) and replaced by the national NPL winner (I guess).

So, no dramas, the 2nd Div won't go the way of the old NSL.

Same as is in many other leagues and they keep on going.

If one club can't win a game or can't count to 10, then they will be replaced by a team that can.

Simples.

Yes that is correct. there are so many viable clubs out there, and they have been ignored for far too long with nowhere to go.

This Tier 2 has the potential to be the best thing that has happened in our game for a very long time. it will rejuvenate the supporter base out there, and the flow on effects for the A League are on the positive side for me at least in my opinion. Crowds should go up, sponsorship will go up, and exposure will increase.

there is no such thing as bad publicity either.