Showing any kind of support for the Nix on this forum = comments of "create your own league" and "get out of our AFC league" etc. etc.

Good responses from mcjules to decentric's long, self-justifying manifesto.

Just well reasoned football comments from me for now on.

This reply and replies like it are part of the problem. Stop winding him up. FFS.

It's OK... he can't read them!

If you mute someone, you lose.

McJules you and a few inexperienced mods are being played for  fools by some cynical trollers (namely one), who are chronologically older, with a degree of animal cunning and street smarts that exceed your admirable degree of cognitive acumen and supposed even-handedness. It manifests as naivety. 

I don't believe there is a nasty bone in your body, which is an admirable trait. However, there are those elsewhere on the interweb who will see your arguments vindicating your actions as a green light to troll 442.

There is a palpable animosity displaced towards 442 in one cesspit on the interweb, with me being a  target. Kevin Airs and Joffa are also despised by the same degenerates. These nefarious scum play by different rules, none, and will be soon be inundating this place and will be anointing you, McJules, as their new poster boy to manipulate.

If one looks at facts, I've posted 15 000  plus posts on this forum as Decentric, which have demonstrated a level of civility, as I attempt to do in face to face contact off forum.

To use two PMs, one where I called a couple  of cynical stalkers, 'obnoxious dickheads', which nobody could else could see needs more information to provide a prudent context. Moreover, to use a few posts by some tongue in cheek multis to use satire to parody a poster bullying  a kid,  to advance my claims as a troublemaker on 442 , is folly .  If one evaluates a 15 000 post history, my posting  record is the antithesis of trolling, cynicism and bullying.

In the case of aggressors, Iraq and Germany, invading  Kuwait and Poland, even handedness was a cop out, because some wanted to perpetrate  conflict when others didn't. This is the scenario here. McJules, you are capitulating to weak arguments put forcefully, trying to appease those who perpetrate conflict. In doing so you are being played for a fool.  

 I don't need to read the unmuted posts (you suggested I unmute them, McJules) because when one is stalked (which Kevin Airs told me is a bannable offence in itself circa 7 years ago) over years and years, one comes to recognise  a  posting style and the same recurring message in the same gobbledygook.

I'll happily take my leave and you can deal with the avalanche of nefarious new trollers, McJules, who you advance in this thread as having equal destabilisation qualities as me on 442.

Before I go I may raise a few points suggesting the mod panel actually define what behaviours/actions transgress forum protocols, establish forum rules and adhere to them - consistently. This occurs in any professional organisation.

 Some mods are not as loyal to each other as they should be.

And - don't appear to do much work, or even visit the forum. If mods worked together collegially, establishing a consensus of rules, they would become cohesive through the process of working together to produce a manifesto that is a shared, common goal.

 I've even seen mods bastardised on this forum, with no back up from other mods, apart from PV4.  This mod bastardisation has occurred because he has done same things that I,  and other posters do consistently, such as cutting and pasting articles. This  is grossly unfair.

 I've also seen mods bastardising one poster in one thread. Just because most of us disagree with him, he still has a right to express a different opinion.

 I've seen mods continuing polemics over time, with the same adversaries. These threads have never been locked if a mod is involved in a polemic, like they do to everybody else.

What is the current mod panel position on stalking? It used to be a bannable offence according to KA.

What is the current mod panel position on derailment of threads and ensuring threads stay on topic? One rule which was admirably espoused by Joffa for a while was, "Attack the idea, not the person". KA also espoused this mantra with," Play the ball not the man". This should be a mod axiom. Sadly, it seems to have dissipated. Is there a current mod panel position on this?  

The mod panel, needs to establish some common rules  and adhere to them. The mods who are getting jaded should quit, like Erebus has. They should leave the job for newcomers, preferably with a history of football forums over the past 10 - 12 years, not appoint naive cybergeeks.

In this case some trollers have played you for a fool, McJules, and successfully derailed a thread. You've inadvertently nurtured the derailment. The analogy I use, is sadly, you've been a student teacher in the playground, dealing with issues that should  have been dealt with by senior staff.

Kevin Airs where are you? You used to show a bit of leadership in the past and post on the forum, even getting HAL players to appear to converse with 442 posters which was good. Where are all the journos like Aidan Ormond, and most recently Ben Somerford who used to participate on the forum? Where are the articles written by 442 posters?

Some of the points raised raised in this post, may well be contributing factors for diffident posters failing to participate  on this forum.

This forum is in the inexorable downward spiral, with ever decreasing traffic. There should be an attempt to induce those diffident  lurkers to post, particularly if they are too intimidated. This thread to date has exemplified the mod panel's ineptitude to resolve conflict by some deliberate troublemakers.

This thread has raised issues like the bastardisation  of City, Nix and CCM fans,  the hegemony of Victory fans, the increasing cynicism and negativity of posters,  the loss of some good guys. Unfortunately, I don't think there is the will from KA and staff to change anything. This usually equates to the owners losing interest, or/and are not making the income they hoped they would.

I have no doubt who the perpetrator of this action is.

The likely perpetrator has a history of cutting and pasting PMs for attention seeking reasons in order to gain maximum traction in the objective of creating conflict.

If he had in any way been concerned he would've sent a PM to a mod privately.

You have been played for a  fool. Said poster usually boasts about 442 mod inefficacy elsewhere on the inter web. He has been banned from here before this by a mod for the same action. If the mod panel meets to discuss issues, then you surely would've been aware of this? Obviously not all mods are currently active which is an inherent  problem in the current functioning of the 442 forum.

I'm looking for ideas from others. Grazorblade has suggested one plausible option.

As you suggest, maybe the mod panel is really struggling to deal with issues that arise now - and be consistent. It  appears there are some mods who are far too inactive. This can only be resolved by appointing some new mods.

 See my post a few back suggesting a mod panel setting parameters defining acceptable protocol, and, what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't.

One mod has naively defined grown ups as behaving in a prescribed way. There is a level of inconsistency in how supposedly chronologically mature adults behave, exemplified in the need for jails.

You allude to locking threads of posters having spats, IB. When mods have been partaking in spats with some posters, independent of mod duties,   many threads have remained unlocked. This is inconsistent. Different rules apply for different people.

Inconsistency is arguably a reason for lurkers taking the next step to post, and, a partial reason why many established posters  have left 442.

Many years ago, when The World Game Forum  was being made defunct, many TWG posters lauded the 442 mod panel for stamping out inappropriate behaviour and being proactive. They enthusiastically advocated 442 as a viable forum. This was  in the embryonic days of the 442 forum around the years 2007/8. I think the mods then were  Erebus, Joffa and Marty B, and a much more proactive Kevin Airs (or was there another guy who had his job?).

Geez I had such high hopes too.

I'm well aware of what's happening mate and I'm no fool. I don't need to hear any more about what's happened in the past or on other forums, everyone has been given a final warning. Nothing more needs to be discussed on the matter.

I'm probably gonna be taken away by the Illuminati for this but I'm gonna go out and say it: All the mods are a multi of JoFFA.

What he said. I used  to respect d's opinion , now im shit scared of him.  Got  one abusive  pm from him and i was done. What will it take for mods to ban him? A 11.MVFC.11 style rant to k.a ?? Ffs everyone knows he is abusive but yet some mods would rather  have their heads in the  sand

I've just unmuted you, having seen nothing you've posted for some time.

I'm making every effort to engage as constructively as possible with you from now on and putting the past behind.

There seems to have been a pleasing number of new members joining the forum in the last week or so.

How about  regular posters other than me welcoming them to the forum?

They seem to have a few new perspectives, which is good.

... Because most regular posters are afraid of looking stupid by welcoming a multi to the forum.

So basically drivel masquerading as "fact". 99% of the above is conjecture, opinion, outright lies and falsehoods.

The only fact I can see is the the note about having 15000 posts. 10 000 of which are in the last 3 years or so. Basically 10 posts a day cluttering up the forum proselytizing the latest 'milieu'. (But whatever, it's not a crime to be prolific, only annoying.)

Now remember he can't read this post McJules but having said that one should be able to defend one's self in the court of public opinion. How about you move on Decentric?

McJules has told you more than once.

Oh, one more thing, this is not your forum. 

Member since 2008.

I've seen a few posts by you that indicate you are the original poster, not a multi.  I've visited without logging in and you've posted some good stuff. I've reinstated you to active.

I'm saying nice things about your interesting posts about Chinese football. I'm moving forwards and forgetting the past, Localstar.

I'm going to continue to welcome posters at the risk of them being multis. There seem to be a number of new posters who seem to be posting earnestly about football rather than trolling and trying to cause conflict, which is a good thing.

From what I understand the mentally & socially undesirable in the past in Australia were isolated from the community in incarceration in order that the rest of us didn't have to engage with them in any way. 

The policy of attempted integration of the mentally interesting into society means that attempting to engage in any positive way with these people results in interactions of the like which appear on these page. 

Bump.  Just a reminder.

2 years ago soliciting for a mod position.

ok, you've done some work last night over 3-4 threads leaving comments.
What are you looking to achieve at the end of this all for the good of the forum ?

A realisation that one of the most poisonous forumers has just been appointed a mod.  

yer well, from watching I see some posters/members are no better at times.
What is occurring is not good - if members have issues it not just about pointing at someone but coming up with alternatives as well.
There needs to be just one thread on this matter to get this aired pardon the pun/resolved amongst members and not for casuals/guests/anonymous imo.