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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPromotion relegation is a moronic pipe dream that will only ever happen if we find 20 whales (people with more money than sense) to pump money in continuously. Current A-League clubs that got relegated would fold for sure. Pffft. You're making some big assumptions to come to this conclusion. I've already suggested a way it can work that doesn't need rich owners and provides protection for A-League clubs - http://thepeckingorder.com.au/tpovision/If you're going to make claims like this, the least you could do is to put a little thought into it. Not really, it's not rocket science. You will reduce the quality of the league if you want to expand. I have put thought into it. It's obvious. People on here seem to get ideas into their head and others jump on board and then all of a sudden they seem credible. Yeh nah. Hold to them straws nice and tight bae. You are one of the reasons I don't bother in the actual threads on this topic. Whilst the concept is good, it just won't work. Relegate Perth and why would Tony keep funding them? Same goes for the Mariners and the Jets. We barely have enough money in the A-league without trying to spread it to a 2nd division. So does Perth drop off the planet? Its up to the owner. Does he keep backing them? Would you pay inflated saleries if they are not performing? Imagine you are on a committee. How do you get back to the top? I can't stand stupidity and I'm not going to kiss you and hold you tight. Perth probably does drop off the planet, that's what i'm getting at. When you have Pro-Rel this shit happens. However we don't have the framework to keep clubs afloat. All contracts would have to be renegotiated. I swear some of you people are so concerned with your ideas that you don't actually think them all the way through. I'll give a potential scenario. Under the model I'm suggesting, by the time promotion and relegation are implemented we have the current A-League and a fully professional A2 League sitting underneath it. The clubs in the A2 League have been chosen both on merit and to ensure key markets are covered. That would likely include second teams in Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane. So let's say that Perth Glory are relegated one year. There are two possible outcomes. The first is that the other Perth team that is in the A2 League is promoted in that same year, in which case Perth still has a team in the top tier and there's no issue. The second is that both Perth teams end up in the A2 League. It is still a fully professional league with a clear opportunity for Glory to win promotion back up. But even better, you've now got a Perth derby (Fox loves derby games) to increase interest in the A2. Your concern about Tony Sage leaving the game might be a risk (also a risk right now by the way, albeit lower). But it's not like this scenario puts Glory out of business or pushes them into an amateur league. Unless you believe that the current A-League owners are the best and only possible A-League owners available, then your fear is unwarranted. If there are so many people willing to invest in the game, why haven't they? Why did the FFA run the Jets and Roar for so long? This argument comes up so so often and people just seem to think theres several blokes or consortiums sitting there with a blank cheque book outside FFA. It's fanciful. I would like to see some sums as to how we get a fully professional second division to survive. I'd also like to see some numbers concerning keeping a team afloat when they get relegated when their income streams reduce significantly. Do you people even watch European football? Do you know what kind of parachute payments clubs get dropping out of the EPL? Have you considered the commercial and sponsorship aspects of relegation? Would fox pay the same to air A2? Would they pay for it at all? How much commercial revenue would you expect for a 2nd grade product? Would it be in line with what fox pays to air the Holden Cup in the NRL? It literally seems like half the people on this forum expect people to come into the game and throw money around. Not just 1 person/group, but several. I don't mean to sound like I keep plugging my blog, but I've provided potential answers to these questions as well. It would save a lot of back and forth if you just read it and then let me know what you disagree with in particular. But to answer one your points in particular - "If there are so many people willing to invest in the game, why haven't they?" Some of them are trying to! There have been around 10 'bids' for A-League expansion and the FFA haven't even released criteria or a timeframe yet. Around 100 NPL clubs have joined the AAFC, with one of their main purposes being to get a second division off the ground. Does that not tell you that there are people who want to be involved? Beth is very mad and ultimately just confused about where her beloved nix figure into all this div2 and pro/rel talk. Thats the real core of the butthurt and fear mongering. We have more investors than we can poke a butthurt kiwi at. Don't paraphrase it makes you look silly. 1: I am not a girl 2: I don't follow the Nix, I'm on the Gold Coast, my team was removed from the comp 3: Are you here to make personal insults or discuss the topic? 4: Where are these investors? Name names. 1. Sorry bethany 2. Sure you dont follow the nix. (Arent all aussie football fans "dropkicks"). 3. Sorry bethany 4. The countless expansion clubs/bids being denied entry by FFA. Jets owner Martin Lee whose company invests millions into Portuguese div2 (but cant do so here because FFA wont allow a div2).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPromotion relegation is a moronic pipe dream that will only ever happen if we find 20 whales (people with more money than sense) to pump money in continuously. Current A-League clubs that got relegated would fold for sure. Pffft. You're making some big assumptions to come to this conclusion. I've already suggested a way it can work that doesn't need rich owners and provides protection for A-League clubs - http://thepeckingorder.com.au/tpovision/If you're going to make claims like this, the least you could do is to put a little thought into it. Not really, it's not rocket science. You will reduce the quality of the league if you want to expand. I have put thought into it. It's obvious. People on here seem to get ideas into their head and others jump on board and then all of a sudden they seem credible. Yeh nah. Hold to them straws nice and tight bae. You are one of the reasons I don't bother in the actual threads on this topic. Whilst the concept is good, it just won't work. Relegate Perth and why would Tony keep funding them? Same goes for the Mariners and the Jets. We barely have enough money in the A-league without trying to spread it to a 2nd division. So does Perth drop off the planet? Its up to the owner. Does he keep backing them? Would you pay inflated saleries if they are not performing? Imagine you are on a committee. How do you get back to the top? I can't stand stupidity and I'm not going to kiss you and hold you tight. Perth probably does drop off the planet, that's what i'm getting at. When you have Pro-Rel this shit happens. However we don't have the framework to keep clubs afloat. All contracts would have to be renegotiated. I swear some of you people are so concerned with your ideas that you don't actually think them all the way through. I'll give a potential scenario. Under the model I'm suggesting, by the time promotion and relegation are implemented we have the current A-League and a fully professional A2 League sitting underneath it. The clubs in the A2 League have been chosen both on merit and to ensure key markets are covered. That would likely include second teams in Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane. So let's say that Perth Glory are relegated one year. There are two possible outcomes. The first is that the other Perth team that is in the A2 League is promoted in that same year, in which case Perth still has a team in the top tier and there's no issue. The second is that both Perth teams end up in the A2 League. It is still a fully professional league with a clear opportunity for Glory to win promotion back up. But even better, you've now got a Perth derby (Fox loves derby games) to increase interest in the A2. Your concern about Tony Sage leaving the game might be a risk (also a risk right now by the way, albeit lower). But it's not like this scenario puts Glory out of business or pushes them into an amateur league. Unless you believe that the current A-League owners are the best and only possible A-League owners available, then your fear is unwarranted. If there are so many people willing to invest in the game, why haven't they? Why did the FFA run the Jets and Roar for so long? This argument comes up so so often and people just seem to think theres several blokes or consortiums sitting there with a blank cheque book outside FFA. It's fanciful. I would like to see some sums as to how we get a fully professional second division to survive. I'd also like to see some numbers concerning keeping a team afloat when they get relegated when their income streams reduce significantly. Do you people even watch European football? Do you know what kind of parachute payments clubs get dropping out of the EPL? Have you considered the commercial and sponsorship aspects of relegation? Would fox pay the same to air A2? Would they pay for it at all? How much commercial revenue would you expect for a 2nd grade product? Would it be in line with what fox pays to air the Holden Cup in the NRL? It literally seems like half the people on this forum expect people to come into the game and throw money around. Not just 1 person/group, but several. I don't mean to sound like I keep plugging my blog, but I've provided potential answers to these questions as well. It would save a lot of back and forth if you just read it and then let me know what you disagree with in particular. But to answer one your points in particular - "If there are so many people willing to invest in the game, why haven't they?" Some of them are trying to! There have been around 10 'bids' for A-League expansion and the FFA haven't even released criteria or a timeframe yet. Around 100 NPL clubs have joined the AAFC, with one of their main purposes being to get a second division off the ground. Does that not tell you that there are people who want to be involved? Beth is very mad and ultimately just confused about where her beloved nix figure into all this div2 and pro/rel talk. Thats the real core of the butthurt and fear mongering. We have more investors than we can poke a butthurt kiwi at. Don't paraphrase it makes you look silly. 1: I am not a girl 2: I don't follow the Nix, I'm on the Gold Coast, my team was removed from the comp 3: Are you here to make personal insults or discuss the topic?4: Where are these investors? Name names. Yes, please keep things on topic. Challenge his ideas (as most have done) and not the person.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPromotion relegation is a moronic pipe dream that will only ever happen if we find 20 whales (people with more money than sense) to pump money in continuously. Current A-League clubs that got relegated would fold for sure. Pffft. You're making some big assumptions to come to this conclusion. I've already suggested a way it can work that doesn't need rich owners and provides protection for A-League clubs - http://thepeckingorder.com.au/tpovision/If you're going to make claims like this, the least you could do is to put a little thought into it. Not really, it's not rocket science. You will reduce the quality of the league if you want to expand. I have put thought into it. It's obvious. People on here seem to get ideas into their head and others jump on board and then all of a sudden they seem credible. Yeh nah. Hold to them straws nice and tight bae. You are one of the reasons I don't bother in the actual threads on this topic. Whilst the concept is good, it just won't work. Relegate Perth and why would Tony keep funding them? Same goes for the Mariners and the Jets. We barely have enough money in the A-league without trying to spread it to a 2nd division. So does Perth drop off the planet? Its up to the owner. Does he keep backing them? Would you pay inflated saleries if they are not performing? Imagine you are on a committee. How do you get back to the top? I can't stand stupidity and I'm not going to kiss you and hold you tight. Perth probably does drop off the planet, that's what i'm getting at. When you have Pro-Rel this shit happens. However we don't have the framework to keep clubs afloat. All contracts would have to be renegotiated. I swear some of you people are so concerned with your ideas that you don't actually think them all the way through. I'll give a potential scenario. Under the model I'm suggesting, by the time promotion and relegation are implemented we have the current A-League and a fully professional A2 League sitting underneath it. The clubs in the A2 League have been chosen both on merit and to ensure key markets are covered. That would likely include second teams in Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane. So let's say that Perth Glory are relegated one year. There are two possible outcomes. The first is that the other Perth team that is in the A2 League is promoted in that same year, in which case Perth still has a team in the top tier and there's no issue. The second is that both Perth teams end up in the A2 League. It is still a fully professional league with a clear opportunity for Glory to win promotion back up. But even better, you've now got a Perth derby (Fox loves derby games) to increase interest in the A2. Your concern about Tony Sage leaving the game might be a risk (also a risk right now by the way, albeit lower). But it's not like this scenario puts Glory out of business or pushes them into an amateur league. Unless you believe that the current A-League owners are the best and only possible A-League owners available, then your fear is unwarranted. If there are so many people willing to invest in the game, why haven't they? Why did the FFA run the Jets and Roar for so long? This argument comes up so so often and people just seem to think theres several blokes or consortiums sitting there with a blank cheque book outside FFA. It's fanciful. I would like to see some sums as to how we get a fully professional second division to survive. I'd also like to see some numbers concerning keeping a team afloat when they get relegated when their income streams reduce significantly. Do you people even watch European football? Do you know what kind of parachute payments clubs get dropping out of the EPL? Have you considered the commercial and sponsorship aspects of relegation? Would fox pay the same to air A2? Would they pay for it at all? How much commercial revenue would you expect for a 2nd grade product? Would it be in line with what fox pays to air the Holden Cup in the NRL? It literally seems like half the people on this forum expect people to come into the game and throw money around. Not just 1 person/group, but several. I don't mean to sound like I keep plugging my blog, but I've provided potential answers to these questions as well. It would save a lot of back and forth if you just read it and then let me know what you disagree with in particular. But to answer one your points in particular - "If there are so many people willing to invest in the game, why haven't they?" Some of them are trying to! There have been around 10 'bids' for A-League expansion and the FFA haven't even released criteria or a timeframe yet. Around 100 NPL clubs have joined the AAFC, with one of their main purposes being to get a second division off the ground. Does that not tell you that there are people who want to be involved? Beth is very mad and ultimately just confused about where her beloved nix figure into all this div2 and pro/rel talk. Thats the real core of the butthurt and fear mongering. We have more investors than we can poke a butthurt kiwi at. Don't paraphrase it makes you look silly. 1: I am not a girl 2: I don't follow the Nix, I'm on the Gold Coast, my team was removed from the comp 3: Are you here to make personal insults or discuss the topic?4: Where are these investors? Name names. Yes, please keep things on topic. Challenge his ideas (as most have done) and not the person. Fair enough. I thought it was harmless banter. Duly noted.
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Australia isnt good at football right now
Australian football is crap at producing players to play at the top leagues in the world
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Rimbaud
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+xAustralia isnt good at football right now Australian football is crap at producing players to play at the top leagues in the world Thats not as unpopular of an opinion as youd probably think......... That idea has hit the mainstream.
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Yeah but im sure alot of people probably dont like hearing it
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Unpopular Opinion: Australia's national team will not qualify for the 2022 world cup.
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+xUnpopular Opinion: Australia's national team will not qualify for the 2022 world cup. With the ranks of young kids coming through, it would be very hard for us not to qualify for 2022. This campaign has always been the nadir of the NT project as it fell 12 or so years after the death nell of the NSL and it took too long for the FFA to get their act together in developing pathways and talent that they shunned through their religious zeal in not touching what they called "old Soccer". Looking at the team, there are very few players in the 26 to 30 age bracket that are in the squad. This is the prime period of a footballer's career. We have more coming through in the 22 to 26 bracket which will flow through to the next qualifiers.
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BETHFC
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+x+xUnpopular Opinion: Australia's national team will not qualify for the 2022 world cup. With the ranks of young kids coming through, it would be very hard for us not to qualify for 2022. This campaign has always been the nadir of the NT project as it fell 12 or so years after the death nell of the NSL and it took too long for the FFA to get their act together in developing pathways and talent that they shunned through their religious zeal in not touching what they called "old Soccer". Looking at the team, there are very few players in the 26 to 30 age bracket that are in the squad. This is the prime period of a footballer's career. We have more coming through in the 22 to 26 bracket which will flow through to the next qualifiers. I am concerned that we don't have the players coming through. We don't have another Tim Cahill. I also think we have too many of our best playing in China rather than in tougher European leagues.
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+x+x+xUnpopular Opinion: Australia's national team will not qualify for the 2022 world cup. With the ranks of young kids coming through, it would be very hard for us not to qualify for 2022. This campaign has always been the nadir of the NT project as it fell 12 or so years after the death nell of the NSL and it took too long for the FFA to get their act together in developing pathways and talent that they shunned through their religious zeal in not touching what they called "old Soccer". Looking at the team, there are very few players in the 26 to 30 age bracket that are in the squad. This is the prime period of a footballer's career. We have more coming through in the 22 to 26 bracket which will flow through to the next qualifiers. I am concerned that we don't have the players coming through. We don't have another Tim Cahill. I also think we have too many of our best playing in China rather than in tougher European leagues. To be fair, we didn't even know we had a 'Tim Cahill' until he was in his 20s.
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BETHFC
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+x+x+x+xUnpopular Opinion: Australia's national team will not qualify for the 2022 world cup. With the ranks of young kids coming through, it would be very hard for us not to qualify for 2022. This campaign has always been the nadir of the NT project as it fell 12 or so years after the death nell of the NSL and it took too long for the FFA to get their act together in developing pathways and talent that they shunned through their religious zeal in not touching what they called "old Soccer". Looking at the team, there are very few players in the 26 to 30 age bracket that are in the squad. This is the prime period of a footballer's career. We have more coming through in the 22 to 26 bracket which will flow through to the next qualifiers. I am concerned that we don't have the players coming through. We don't have another Tim Cahill. I also think we have too many of our best playing in China rather than in tougher European leagues. To be fair, we didn't even know we had a 'Tim Cahill' until he was in his 20s. Fair call. I just feel like for us he was a special player and we rely so much on him, even at 36. There are no guarantees that another one exists like him. Striker is a major issue for our NT at the moment.
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The SFS isn't hard to get to, it's 20 minute walk up a straight road. Olympic Park isn't hard to get to either you get dropped off right in front of the stadium, what more do you lazy motherfuckers want?
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The all gold kit (gold socks) we wore against Iraq kicks ass over the standard green socks.
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+xThe all gold kit (gold socks) we wore against Iraq kicks ass over the standard green socks. It's fucked. We look like giant bananas. Took 40 years to get the gold shirt, green shorts, white socks combo back and then they soft cock it and go with this mono bullshit. And don't 'it's a FIFA rule' me. Brazil manages to get away with multi coloured kits just fine, as do others teams, because they've got the kahunas to give the forks to Infantino and his lackeys.
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Bananas  Better  Best 
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Aljay
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The white socks were only brought back because a small group of influential former players wanted the kit to match what they played in, which was a time when the Australian team stood for amateurism and failed WC campaigns. Until the Asian Cup we had achieved a whole lot more (2 WCs plus another qualification) with gold socks than white.
I don't hate it per se, but that's the truth.
Personally I prefer the 05/09 style kits. I'm not a fan of the all gold, but if we HAVE to do it, then we should go ALL gold, not dodgy green socks. It's not a banana, it's Villarreal.
The worst of all was the Chile game - gold shorts, shirt and white socks.
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BETHFC
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Muz is right, green and gold combo is way better.
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Wanderers are the most in form team atm and the team to beat in the finals.
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VARs are good for the A-League and will result in a higher standard of play.
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Average attendances this season will be down on last seasons despite one having the fan boycotts and the other the massive ANZ derby matches.
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Well it's not rocket science. It is not hard to draw large audiences when you have a city of 5million to draw from and all the best time slots. In fact when you have 5 million to draw from you should be able to draw well whatever the time slot especially when all 4 Sydney and Melbourne teams are in the finals spots. For the rest of us in smaller markets playing mid week or 5pm in the middle of summer in the baking sun the task is a bit tougher. A more balanced draw would allow for larger sponsorship deals for these teams and the ability to get (or get better) marquees. It's all very well saying Fox dictates the scheduling but Fox also sets the metrics.
We know why the smaller markets struggle - they have been set up to do so. The questions actually should be asked of 3 of the 4 Sydney and Melbourne teams. Victory as always deliver the best crowds (though affected by crowd upheaval with the NT this season). Sydney has what can only be described as 'meh' crowds considering their season. Melbourne City with the most expensive team ever assembled are making 'some' progress. WSW are struggling with the move to Spotless where the atmosphere is achieved by 'broadcasting' the RBB over the PA system near the Fox microphones.
When all the you are doing is making it easier for the larger clubs to the detriment of the smaller clubs you shouldn't be surprised when the results go in the smaller markets go exactly as could be predicted. Then when your larger markets don't deliver you get the result that we have this season.
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CCM should bring back the palm tree strip
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+xCCM should bring back the palm tree strip that was a great kit. the best in its season. U.I. The HAL deserves a bit part of the blame for the Australias fall in world football.
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@aussieshrter
Tim cahill started for Millwall and Everton at a young age
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i dont think that's an unpopular opinion
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To reply to the op about Etihad stadium
Etihad stadium is actually such a nice place, the way its structured and how it looks for afl games it better than nearly all the stadiums in the epl
For football yeah its not to bad only problem is the crowds at the ends of the football goals are a bit far away from the goal than what they are use to etc
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Australia is an extremely mediocre football team technically wise. It's only our physical prowess and athleticism that allows us to do relatively well in Asia.
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A look at next year. As average crowds have plummeted towards the end of this season, what numbers are people postulating for next year? I would think we'll barely scrape in an 11K average. People will sit out the year and be ready for the 2018 * 2019 season with the added teams.
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+xAustralia is an extremely mediocre football team technically wise. It's only our physical prowess and athleticism that allows us to do relatively well in Asia. I reckon that's quite a popular opinion. Our only good technical players would be Mooy and Rogic.
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+xA look at next year. As average crowds have plummeted towards the end of this season, what numbers are people postulating for next year? I would think we'll barely scrape in an 11K average. People will sit out the year and be ready for the 2018 * 2019 season with the added teams. So Timmy didn't work. Hmmm back to the old drawing board. How do we make the end of the season as exciting as the start. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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