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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRealistically, we are so far off the pace of the better teams it's not funny (I mean seriously, struggling against Thailand and the Saudis?). But there's no reason why we can't go into the tournament hoping for a bit of a miracle, perhaps jag a point along the way. we have always struggled against asian teams after 12 years in asia people still underestimate them the saudis are a decent team. they would be a handful for a lot of teams in the euros. the thais are really coming along as well. and we are not at our best. some people need to be grateful for the performances we are getting and not expecting our team to play like it is loaded with top tier players - because for the most part it isnt. outside of midfield we are completely lacking. i thought australians loved underdogs. isnt that the kind of nationalist bs propaganda we are fed daily? shouldnt we all be doing doughies and burning meat on the bbq for our underdog team? fkn. I think when an aussie underdog has had the public behind them they have often punched above their weight but the football public is hopeless divided So we just have to believe?
teams backed by whingers tend to underperform My God, you're serious! It will be our fault, because we didn't believe... :P:P:P:P Self-belief can take you so far,,,but only so far. In fact, wasn't there an artilcle recently saying the socceroos were relying on confidence to get through? Good to go into a tournament with confidence, every team needs that to progress, as long as you can back it up with substance. in the short term confidence (so much as fan culture can make a difference to it) is the only thing the fans have control over
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eldorado
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRealistically, we are so far off the pace of the better teams it's not funny (I mean seriously, struggling against Thailand and the Saudis?). But there's no reason why we can't go into the tournament hoping for a bit of a miracle, perhaps jag a point along the way. we have always struggled against asian teams after 12 years in asia people still underestimate them the saudis are a decent team. they would be a handful for a lot of teams in the euros. the thais are really coming along as well. and we are not at our best. some people need to be grateful for the performances we are getting and not expecting our team to play like it is loaded with top tier players - because for the most part it isnt. outside of midfield we are completely lacking. i thought australians loved underdogs. isnt that the kind of nationalist bs propaganda we are fed daily? shouldnt we all be doing doughies and burning meat on the bbq for our underdog team? fkn. I think when an aussie underdog has had the public behind them they have often punched above their weight but the football public is hopeless divided So we just have to believe?
teams backed by whingers tend to underperform My God, you're serious! It will be our fault, because we didn't believe... :P:P:P:P you really dont think fan culture makes a difference Oh, man, c'mon.. You're a good poster, and I don't want a flame war at all, but the idea that the Socceroos are affected by whether the fans think they will do well or not...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRealistically, we are so far off the pace of the better teams it's not funny (I mean seriously, struggling against Thailand and the Saudis?). But there's no reason why we can't go into the tournament hoping for a bit of a miracle, perhaps jag a point along the way. we have always struggled against asian teams after 12 years in asia people still underestimate them the saudis are a decent team. they would be a handful for a lot of teams in the euros. the thais are really coming along as well. and we are not at our best. some people need to be grateful for the performances we are getting and not expecting our team to play like it is loaded with top tier players - because for the most part it isnt. outside of midfield we are completely lacking. i thought australians loved underdogs. isnt that the kind of nationalist bs propaganda we are fed daily? shouldnt we all be doing doughies and burning meat on the bbq for our underdog team? fkn. I think when an aussie underdog has had the public behind them they have often punched above their weight but the football public is hopeless divided So we just have to believe?
teams backed by whingers tend to underperform My God, you're serious! It will be our fault, because we didn't believe... :P:P:P:P Self-belief can take you so far,,,but only so far. In fact, wasn't there an artilcle recently saying the socceroos were relying on confidence to get through? Good to go into a tournament with confidence, every team needs that to progress, as long as you can back it up with substance. in the short term confidence (so much as fan culture can make a difference to it) is the only thing the fans have control over Actually, I was referring more to the confidence of the players, rather than the fans. If the coaching staff and players are affected by what the fans think, then they are truly an amateurish outfit.
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eldorado
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The self belief of the players IS somewhat important, and I think Ange is using it to create a mindset, an us-vs-them mentality...but that will only help you in the physical aspects; getting every drop of energy, never say die, etc etc.
I'm not sure it helps tactically or, in particular, technically, which is where we are sorely deficient
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRealistically, we are so far off the pace of the better teams it's not funny (I mean seriously, struggling against Thailand and the Saudis?). But there's no reason why we can't go into the tournament hoping for a bit of a miracle, perhaps jag a point along the way. we have always struggled against asian teams after 12 years in asia people still underestimate them the saudis are a decent team. they would be a handful for a lot of teams in the euros. the thais are really coming along as well. and we are not at our best. some people need to be grateful for the performances we are getting and not expecting our team to play like it is loaded with top tier players - because for the most part it isnt. outside of midfield we are completely lacking. i thought australians loved underdogs. isnt that the kind of nationalist bs propaganda we are fed daily? shouldnt we all be doing doughies and burning meat on the bbq for our underdog team? fkn. I think when an aussie underdog has had the public behind them they have often punched above their weight but the football public is hopeless divided So we just have to believe?
teams backed by whingers tend to underperform My God, you're serious! It will be our fault, because we didn't believe... :P:P:P:P you really dont think fan culture makes a difference Oh, man, c'mon.. You're a good poster, and I don't want a flame war at all, but the idea that the Socceroos are affected by whether the fans think they will do well or not... I don't want a flame war either but I do think it matters most queenslad state of origin fan believe it makes a huge difference A lot of football fans are upset over various reasons - some are upset over the ffa leadership structure, some are upset over youth development strategies, some want expansion, others want promo-rel but this should never spill over into how we support our team - calling them useless or hacks because whatever the reasons people are upset I bet very few are upset at the efforts of our players representing us
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grazorblade
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRealistically, we are so far off the pace of the better teams it's not funny (I mean seriously, struggling against Thailand and the Saudis?). But there's no reason why we can't go into the tournament hoping for a bit of a miracle, perhaps jag a point along the way. we have always struggled against asian teams after 12 years in asia people still underestimate them the saudis are a decent team. they would be a handful for a lot of teams in the euros. the thais are really coming along as well. and we are not at our best. some people need to be grateful for the performances we are getting and not expecting our team to play like it is loaded with top tier players - because for the most part it isnt. outside of midfield we are completely lacking. i thought australians loved underdogs. isnt that the kind of nationalist bs propaganda we are fed daily? shouldnt we all be doing doughies and burning meat on the bbq for our underdog team? fkn. I think when an aussie underdog has had the public behind them they have often punched above their weight but the football public is hopeless divided So we just have to believe?
teams backed by whingers tend to underperform My God, you're serious! It will be our fault, because we didn't believe... :P:P:P:P Self-belief can take you so far,,,but only so far. In fact, wasn't there an artilcle recently saying the socceroos were relying on confidence to get through? Good to go into a tournament with confidence, every team needs that to progress, as long as you can back it up with substance. in the short term confidence (so much as fan culture can make a difference to it) is the only thing the fans have control over Actually, I was referring more to the confidence of the players, rather than the fans. If the coaching staff and players are affected by what the fans think, then they are truly an amateurish outfit. A good player can shut out fan criticism but its even better for performance when that isnt needed
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grazorblade
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+xThe self belief of the players IS somewhat important, and I think Ange is using it to create a mindset, an us-vs-them mentality...but that will only help you in the physical aspects; getting every drop of energy, never say die, etc etc. I'm not sure it helps tactically or, in particular, technically, which is where we are sorely deficient true but its the best we got for now
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American Mark Geiger will be the referee. From memory he's a pretty patient type who doesn't take any nonsense. Watch out for the Germans falling over when pressured in a corner in order to stop the play. Werner and Kimmich are the worst.
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The Socceroos could have the whole world behind them, it still would not matter, they are average at best with an overrated manager.
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On a slightly unrelated note, are we going to have a match thread(s) for New Zealand's game(s) too? I know this is the sub-forum for "Australian Football" but seeing how NZ has Rojas, the Ingham brothers, Roux, and Moss who are all contracted to A-League clubs, along with five more players from Phoenix who are a club in our league, is it worth having a match thread where we can observe them? It could very well affect the A-League too if someone like Rojas or Ingham tears up the tournament and gets offers from overseas, so it's worth keeping tabs on. Just want to check if anyone agrees or has an idea where we can discuss the NZ matches if a new thread isn't necessary. Cheers.
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+xOn a slightly unrelated note, are we going to have a match thread(s) for New Zealand's game(s) too? I know this is the sub-forum for "Australian Football" but seeing how NZ has Rojas, the Ingham brothers, Roux, and Moss who are all contracted to A-League clubs, along with five more players from Phoenix who are a club in our league, is it worth having a match thread where we can observe them? It could very well affect the A-League too if someone like Rojas or Ingham tears up the tournament and gets offers from overseas, so it's worth keeping tabs on. Just want to check if anyone agrees or has an idea where we can discuss the NZ matches if a new thread isn't necessary. Cheers. I agree... but that probably means nothing!
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Yep, green light for NZ match threads. As you've described, there are several layers to its relevance to Aussie football.
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+xYep, green light for NZ match threads. As you've described, there are several layers to its relevance to Aussie football. Cheers, I'll get one started.
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+x+xYep, green light for NZ match threads. As you've described, there are several layers to its relevance to Aussie football. Cheers, I'll get one started. Fantastic. Get it going
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I've read through this thread looking for details of how to watch it on TV.
Does Fox have the Confed Cup on TV?
Where can we watch the Socceroos v Germany on TV?
What time are the Socceroos playing EST?
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City Sam
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+xI've read through this thread looking for details of how to watch it on TV. Does Fox have the Confed Cup on TV? Where can we watch the Socceroos v Germany on TV? What time are the Socceroos playing EST? 1am and SBS.
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Yes, SBS for all Australia games and knockout fixtures. Optus Sport for all other group stage matches
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I'm sorry but if we start with Irvine mooy and rogic in midfield. We will struggle.
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+x+xI've read through this thread looking for details of how to watch it on TV. Does Fox have the Confed Cup on TV? Where can we watch the Socceroos v Germany on TV? What time are the Socceroos playing EST? 1am and SBS. Thanks.
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+xYes, SBS for all Australia games and knockout fixtures. Optus Sport for all other group stage matches Ta.
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usually by now the starting 11 gets leaked
I think if we play a defensive triangle with a standard 4-3-3 playing possession based football we actually have the team to hold our own or even do some damage
Hopefully thats what we do. Ange's voodoo formation looks like it was designed to get more midfielders on the pitch (where our strengths lie) and to do better against teams that park the bus. But we aren't facing any teams that fit that description
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This is the only site I can find that is predicting lineups http://www.thehardtackle.com/round-up/2017/06/17/australia-vs-germany-probable-lineups-prediction-tactics-team-news-and-stats-confederations-cup/curiously Germany's formation looks similar to ours You know if we had a back three of sains, spira and wright/jedi/milligan I wouldn't be so frightened having 3 at the back so long as sains gets a league where he is playing, spira gets a league that is decent
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+xThe trouble with playing any system with 4 at the back is we don't have a RB in the squad (or arguably one which is good enough outside the squad either). Hasn't Milligan been to 3 world cups as a RB?
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+xI've read through this thread looking for details of how to watch it on TV. Does Fox have the Confed Cup on TV? Where can we watch the Socceroos v Germany on TV? What time are the Socceroos playing EST? And for those of us who are lazy SBS also will be showing a replay at 3 p in the afternoon for those games
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What are the chances of Jimmy Jeggo getting a run in this tournament ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRealistically, we are so far off the pace of the better teams it's not funny (I mean seriously, struggling against Thailand and the Saudis?). But there's no reason why we can't go into the tournament hoping for a bit of a miracle, perhaps jag a point along the way. we have always struggled against asian teams after 12 years in asia people still underestimate them the saudis are a decent team. they would be a handful for a lot of teams in the euros. the thais are really coming along as well. and we are not at our best. some people need to be grateful for the performances we are getting and not expecting our team to play like it is loaded with top tier players - because for the most part it isnt. outside of midfield we are completely lacking. i thought australians loved underdogs. isnt that the kind of nationalist bs propaganda we are fed daily? shouldnt we all be doing doughies and burning meat on the bbq for our underdog team? fkn. I think when an aussie underdog has had the public behind them they have often punched above their weight but the football public is hopeless divided So we just have to believe?
teams backed by whingers tend to underperform My God, you're serious! It will be our fault, because we didn't believe... :P:P:P:P you really dont think fan culture makes a difference Oh, man, c'mon.. You're a good poster, and I don't want a flame war at all, but the idea that the Socceroos are affected by whether the fans think they will do well or not... In today's age of every player posting daily updates on instagram, facebook and twitter I think they are more visible to it than previous generations..
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Best bit from the article = "Ryan McGowan will be the most experienced defender and will be entasked with keeping his understudies in check." We're fucked.
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+xBest bit from the article = "Ryan McGowan will be the most experienced defender and will be entasked with keeping his understudies in check." We're fucked. Sanchez is already preparing for accommodation in Mcgowan's pocket.
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+x+xThe trouble with playing any system with 4 at the back is we don't have a RB in the squad (or arguably one which is good enough outside the squad either). Hasn't Milligan been to 3 world cups as a RB? I don't think so, he was a young CB for 2006 and midfielder for the last two? The RB's in 2014 were Franjic and McGowan, not MIlligan.
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The writer of the article either has no clue or Ange is lost his mind worse than I thought. Troisi as LWB would be an absolute shocker, so would Ryan McGowan playing and where is MIlligan, he MUST play.
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