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+x+x+x+x+x^^^^^^^what a load of bollocksHe made a very consistent point in response to midfielder spewing bullshit again. There is massive overlap between afl membership and support and a league membership and support in Melbourne. The vast majority of afl fans in Melbourne would strongly support the Socceroos if not the a league...given Melbourne has 1/5th of the soccer participation of Sydney, why does it get better crowds and similar ratings if the afl hoards all hate soccerPip/ mr football might be a fine and subtle troll but his contributions are far more factual and rational than the like s of midfielder who he was responding to. The dude appears completely devoid of any critical faculty What I want to know from midfielder is where these melbournians were from? Couldn't be from south east Melbourne that midfielder was claiming has flipped to soccer....(though he has failed to provide any evidence that this is the case) When all else fails, switch to the multi. You've tried to infer that the success of Melbourne Victory is a subjunctive function of the AFL. It is not. Sure, whatever percentage might have a membership at both (didn't see you give any source for that though) but all that proves is that some people are happy to support both codes, unlike yourself. The Victory's large membership base, which, in case you don't know your A-League history, has existed from its inception, is definitely due its good fortune of being located in a city where a strong AFL membership culture exists. At one point in the early seasons, the Victory's membership was something like four times the size of the other so-called large club, SFC, despite both having won one championship each (to that point in time). The whole way through, for the memberships of both Victory and City, around 50% have consistently been AFL members. Nup. People became members of Victory because they wanted to become members of Victory. End of. And they came in large numbers, from inception, because of the pre-existing AFL membership culture, which did not exist in Sydney or Brisbane. Irrelevant. You can see here, people actually refuse to believe that half of all Victory members have always been AFL members. lol
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Facts pippinu, FACTS.
otherwise you can never challenge anyone for facts on this forum again, it's put up or shut up. Where are your facts to back up your specific claims.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. How is comparing a similar game like Gaelic football to AFL meaningless data in regards to Athleticism. I mean your ready to compare Athleticism in AFL and correlate it to football. It's even more meaningless data if you want to be fair. Because it's not actually the sport they are paid to play or brought up playing. And they win some 'series' and lose some. It's not taken all that seriously (not compared to regular AFL). It's meaningless. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Do I hate AFL. I'm not a fan but I can still appreciate they have some great Athletes playing. But the AFL and the journalist is sure drawing a long bow with the myth that the best Athletes are in AFL or that juniors are gravitating towards it. The journalist has an axe to grind but so too do a lot in the Australian football community. The AFL, traditionally, has had the best athletes (and juniors) in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT gravitating towards it, however much infuriating the sport may be. Far be it from me to tell people what to think but... The first step to addressing any problem is to acknowledge the problems existence, rather than to deny it. This is, indeed, a problem in most parts of Australia. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. That part doesn't make sense, especially with no data or evidence to back it up. It's funny how you brought up the 20m sprint test, do you have any solid data for football, even though it's a total meaningless measurement. There is plenty of evidence. As the sport involves relatively little technique (compared to football and other stuff), they do nothing but measure these sort of things. http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/testing-draft-results.htm+x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. How can the AFL even remotely have the best Athletes when half the country doesn't even play the sport. That's why I asked if the best Athletes are somehow born in Victoria. If you have ever been in Sydney you will find virtually no juniors playing AFL. That's a huge pool of potential best Athletes in the countries most populist state that the AFL doesn't even get a look in. It's a myth that the AFL love to trot out to pump up their tyres. Sorry but this smacks of an agenda. The AFL has traditionally had access to the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. That's most of Australia. Nobody (except perhaps those actually working for the AFL, itself) is suggesting that the AFL has any influence in NSW. But that doesn't alter the fact that it has more influence than any other sport in most of the rest of the country (and, traditionally, by some margin). +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. It's also the same reason saying that we have the best AFL players in the world. It's just a ridiculous statement. Especially since no other country plays it. I know that can be tough to accept but that's the truth of it. My friend, your mistake is to get wound up by their pettiness. Their sport has no international presence. Australians, quite often, tend to have an inferiority complex. So that plus the AFL's sheer lack of significance outside VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT is a recipe for those kind of ridiculous claims. What the AFL has (or traditionally has had) is access to the best athletes in those states. Imo, the fact that Australians have tended to be among the most active people in the world and the climate is very conducive towards it, the very best athletes in certain positions in AFL are among the most athletic people you'll find in the world. Plus given the sport's focus on sports science rather than technical and tactical things, it's hardly surprising. Don't get riled by this notion. It's not as if they're the only athletes who are the best in the world. You'll find the same in the NBA, at the Olympics, in the Premier League, the Bundesliga, La Liga, in the grand slams and so on. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Does that mean AFL is a not so skillful game that a relative novice can pick up or is it because we don't have enough Athletic players playing that players from Rugby, NRL, Basketball, Gaelic football can come along and take the place of an Australian. You confuse skill and technique. Success in Aussie Rules requires athletic skill, not technical skill. Technical skill is usually only gained through years and years of practice and usually from a young age. Aussie Rules places no great weight on technical skill, more athletic skill. Football places great weight on both (although for central midfield and central defence, athletic skill tends to have less importance). +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Especially since no other country plays it. I know that can be tough to accept but that's the truth of it. Until we can quantify how Athletic AFL players are then you won't know eg If they played other countries who played AFL it would be a better measure. It's not tough. We can just look at the kind of things AFL does quantify and even glimpses of them playing the sport to work it out. That plus the people who go professional (even world class) in other sports who have realistic chances of playing AFL at around 15 or 16. The results speak for themselves. Don't get upset by it. Try to turn the tide by working out how football can make an impact in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. Unless you enjoy watching us concede upwards of two goals each occasion we face a decent opponent. When we get better technical players we won't be conceeding anything. It's got little to do with Athleticism, especially the ones the AFL are supposedly hoarding. The AFL isn't hoarding anything. It just has the luxury of having reaped the rewards of dominating the sporting cultural landscape of most Australian states and territories since it started; the largest talent pool and therefore most of the best athletes in those states and territories. If you haven't figured out that most of the best footballers in the world in the positions of striker, winger, wingback and goalkeeper have supreme athletic ability as well as technical ability and tactical awareness, you're either labouring under a hell of a misapprehension or kidding yourself. In what way has the AFL dominated the sporting cultural landscape especially when most juniors in EVERY state are playing football and not AFL. That's why the claim of AFL having the best Athletes is a ridiculous claim. It's nonsense. Just based on pure maths and statistics the claims by the journalist are nonsense. Just have a look at newspapers in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. That indicates the dominance of the sporting landscape. I understand things are improving and we're getting a better turn out now. These days, there are kids playing football from households which, traditionally, were pro AFL. I've heard tell that football has the highest participation rate in Australia. Nevertheless, where I grew up in Melbourne, and even more so in rural Victoria, plus in SA, WA, NT and (I'm told) Tassie, it still seems to be more popular, seems to tend to be played by better athletes and dominates topics of conversation. Things are getting better. But there's a lot work to be done. And we're still a long way behind AFL. While that covers 4 states & 1 Territory, it only covers 13M people, while the other only 2 states (very populous states too) & 1 territory covers the remaining11.5M, this 11.5M AFL has no influence, so to say AFL gets all the best athletes is very wrong. That is nearly half the population of Australia that would have little or no interest in the game. If you said that if football was the premier sporting code in Australia like it is in most of the countries around the world, our choices, but to plainly say like you & the author that AFL has the best athletes is not correct. However, as RBB been trying to explain, it's not athleticism that the Socceroos lack but football technique. As has already been explained, that's still most of the country. Nobody is suggesting that NSW and QLD don't include a big part of the population. Bu there's still a huge part of the country for which football faces the dominance in the sporting landscape of the AFL. +xYes 57% of the country, greater then 1/2, I suppose you call call it most of the country or a huge part, but there is also a fairly large part, 43% that doesn't. NSW 7.77 million QLD 6.14 million13.9m VIC 6.14 million
WA 2.67 millionSA 1.72 millionNT 266,2
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Is someone suggesting where AFL is played it has most of the population base of Aus? or am i reading this all wrong. Although these days, even in NSW and Qld, participation in aussie rules exceeds rugby union, and isn't all that far behind rugby league. Wow use this argument when you need it, participation rates.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. How is comparing a similar game like Gaelic football to AFL meaningless data in regards to Athleticism. I mean your ready to compare Athleticism in AFL and correlate it to football. It's even more meaningless data if you want to be fair. Because it's not actually the sport they are paid to play or brought up playing. And they win some 'series' and lose some. It's not taken all that seriously (not compared to regular AFL). It's meaningless. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Do I hate AFL. I'm not a fan but I can still appreciate they have some great Athletes playing. But the AFL and the journalist is sure drawing a long bow with the myth that the best Athletes are in AFL or that juniors are gravitating towards it. The journalist has an axe to grind but so too do a lot in the Australian football community. The AFL, traditionally, has had the best athletes (and juniors) in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT gravitating towards it, however much infuriating the sport may be. Far be it from me to tell people what to think but... The first step to addressing any problem is to acknowledge the problems existence, rather than to deny it. This is, indeed, a problem in most parts of Australia. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. That part doesn't make sense, especially with no data or evidence to back it up. It's funny how you brought up the 20m sprint test, do you have any solid data for football, even though it's a total meaningless measurement. There is plenty of evidence. As the sport involves relatively little technique (compared to football and other stuff), they do nothing but measure these sort of things. http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/testing-draft-results.htm+x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. How can the AFL even remotely have the best Athletes when half the country doesn't even play the sport. That's why I asked if the best Athletes are somehow born in Victoria. If you have ever been in Sydney you will find virtually no juniors playing AFL. That's a huge pool of potential best Athletes in the countries most populist state that the AFL doesn't even get a look in. It's a myth that the AFL love to trot out to pump up their tyres. Sorry but this smacks of an agenda. The AFL has traditionally had access to the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. That's most of Australia. Nobody (except perhaps those actually working for the AFL, itself) is suggesting that the AFL has any influence in NSW. But that doesn't alter the fact that it has more influence than any other sport in most of the rest of the country (and, traditionally, by some margin). +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. It's also the same reason saying that we have the best AFL players in the world. It's just a ridiculous statement. Especially since no other country plays it. I know that can be tough to accept but that's the truth of it. My friend, your mistake is to get wound up by their pettiness. Their sport has no international presence. Australians, quite often, tend to have an inferiority complex. So that plus the AFL's sheer lack of significance outside VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT is a recipe for those kind of ridiculous claims. What the AFL has (or traditionally has had) is access to the best athletes in those states. Imo, the fact that Australians have tended to be among the most active people in the world and the climate is very conducive towards it, the very best athletes in certain positions in AFL are among the most athletic people you'll find in the world. Plus given the sport's focus on sports science rather than technical and tactical things, it's hardly surprising. Don't get riled by this notion. It's not as if they're the only athletes who are the best in the world. You'll find the same in the NBA, at the Olympics, in the Premier League, the Bundesliga, La Liga, in the grand slams and so on. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Does that mean AFL is a not so skillful game that a relative novice can pick up or is it because we don't have enough Athletic players playing that players from Rugby, NRL, Basketball, Gaelic football can come along and take the place of an Australian. You confuse skill and technique. Success in Aussie Rules requires athletic skill, not technical skill. Technical skill is usually only gained through years and years of practice and usually from a young age. Aussie Rules places no great weight on technical skill, more athletic skill. Football places great weight on both (although for central midfield and central defence, athletic skill tends to have less importance). +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Especially since no other country plays it. I know that can be tough to accept but that's the truth of it. Until we can quantify how Athletic AFL players are then you won't know eg If they played other countries who played AFL it would be a better measure. It's not tough. We can just look at the kind of things AFL does quantify and even glimpses of them playing the sport to work it out. That plus the people who go professional (even world class) in other sports who have realistic chances of playing AFL at around 15 or 16. The results speak for themselves. Don't get upset by it. Try to turn the tide by working out how football can make an impact in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. Unless you enjoy watching us concede upwards of two goals each occasion we face a decent opponent. When we get better technical players we won't be conceeding anything. It's got little to do with Athleticism, especially the ones the AFL are supposedly hoarding. The AFL isn't hoarding anything. It just has the luxury of having reaped the rewards of dominating the sporting cultural landscape of most Australian states and territories since it started; the largest talent pool and therefore most of the best athletes in those states and territories. If you haven't figured out that most of the best footballers in the world in the positions of striker, winger, wingback and goalkeeper have supreme athletic ability as well as technical ability and tactical awareness, you're either labouring under a hell of a misapprehension or kidding yourself. In what way has the AFL dominated the sporting cultural landscape especially when most juniors in EVERY state are playing football and not AFL. That's why the claim of AFL having the best Athletes is a ridiculous claim. It's nonsense. Just based on pure maths and statistics the claims by the journalist are nonsense. Just have a look at newspapers in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. That indicates the dominance of the sporting landscape. I understand things are improving and we're getting a better turn out now. These days, there are kids playing football from households which, traditionally, were pro AFL. I've heard tell that football has the highest participation rate in Australia. Nevertheless, where I grew up in Melbourne, and even more so in rural Victoria, plus in SA, WA, NT and (I'm told) Tassie, it still seems to be more popular, seems to tend to be played by better athletes and dominates topics of conversation. Things are getting better. But there's a lot work to be done. And we're still a long way behind AFL. However, as RBB been trying to explain, it's not athleticism that the Socceroos lack but football technique. You seem to misunderstand the way success in international elite sport works. It's got nothing to do saying- awww Jeez some of the Socceroos are about as comfortable on the ball as the Kardashians would be be in a leper colony. Wouldn't it be great if Mile Jedinak had the first touch of Patrick Vieira. That gets us nowhere. The NT are almost always just a product of circumstance. Those representing the nation are, almost invariably, the product of the circumstances and systems in place. Countries with the biggest natural advantage are those in which the sport pervades the fabric of society, where the incidence of kids being brought up playing the system is very high, where the systems and infrastructure in place are of a high quality (both at grassroots and elite level) and where there are outstanding professional competitions. This is why it's hardly surprising that countries such as Germany do so brilliantly. Unless we're talking about central midfield or defence, most of the best footballers in the world have technical brilliance, outstanding tactical awareness and excellent athleticism. It's not an either or case. The best tend to excel at it all. As RBB acknowledges, football has access to some of the best athletes in the world (especially in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia). So, what a surprise, it ends up being the case that they can choose from footballers who have technique and athleticism. I think I understand fully, England & Britain are fully brought up on the game of football, they have populations 10 times the size of the likes of Portugal & Croatia, yet England produces more Jedinaks then Vieiras, if unsure look at the Championship & lower part of the PL. While the likes of Croatia & Portugal produces more skilled players. Yeah, nah. You don't do facetiousness particularly well.. I identified a bunch of factors, not one. Portugal has excellent systems in place. That can compensate for a smaller population if England when through a sustained period without such good system (even with a larger population base). I think we on same page, but you have a different agenda. Yes football not being the no 1 sport in this country, doesn't allow it to have access to the best athletes as they may prefer AFL, Rugby League & lesser extent cricket (not just AFL). However, purely not having the best athletes is not the main issue in Australia it's having the correct systems in place, so yes 100% agree if Australia had a system in place like Portugal & has access to all the best athletes, we could be amongst the top 20 teams in the world, if not better. However, we do not have the correct system in place & having the best athletes would matter little at this time with football in this country. However, I feel if we had a system like Croatia or Portugal, we would be far in advance of just having access to the best athletes.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. How is comparing a similar game like Gaelic football to AFL meaningless data in regards to Athleticism. I mean your ready to compare Athleticism in AFL and correlate it to football. It's even more meaningless data if you want to be fair. Because it's not actually the sport they are paid to play or brought up playing. And they win some 'series' and lose some. It's not taken all that seriously (not compared to regular AFL). It's meaningless. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Do I hate AFL. I'm not a fan but I can still appreciate they have some great Athletes playing. But the AFL and the journalist is sure drawing a long bow with the myth that the best Athletes are in AFL or that juniors are gravitating towards it. The journalist has an axe to grind but so too do a lot in the Australian football community. The AFL, traditionally, has had the best athletes (and juniors) in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT gravitating towards it, however much infuriating the sport may be. Far be it from me to tell people what to think but... The first step to addressing any problem is to acknowledge the problems existence, rather than to deny it. This is, indeed, a problem in most parts of Australia. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. That part doesn't make sense, especially with no data or evidence to back it up. It's funny how you brought up the 20m sprint test, do you have any solid data for football, even though it's a total meaningless measurement. There is plenty of evidence. As the sport involves relatively little technique (compared to football and other stuff), they do nothing but measure these sort of things. http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/testing-draft-results.htm+x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. How can the AFL even remotely have the best Athletes when half the country doesn't even play the sport. That's why I asked if the best Athletes are somehow born in Victoria. If you have ever been in Sydney you will find virtually no juniors playing AFL. That's a huge pool of potential best Athletes in the countries most populist state that the AFL doesn't even get a look in. It's a myth that the AFL love to trot out to pump up their tyres. Sorry but this smacks of an agenda. The AFL has traditionally had access to the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. That's most of Australia. Nobody (except perhaps those actually working for the AFL, itself) is suggesting that the AFL has any influence in NSW. But that doesn't alter the fact that it has more influence than any other sport in most of the rest of the country (and, traditionally, by some margin). +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. It's also the same reason saying that we have the best AFL players in the world. It's just a ridiculous statement. Especially since no other country plays it. I know that can be tough to accept but that's the truth of it. My friend, your mistake is to get wound up by their pettiness. Their sport has no international presence. Australians, quite often, tend to have an inferiority complex. So that plus the AFL's sheer lack of significance outside VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT is a recipe for those kind of ridiculous claims. What the AFL has (or traditionally has had) is access to the best athletes in those states. Imo, the fact that Australians have tended to be among the most active people in the world and the climate is very conducive towards it, the very best athletes in certain positions in AFL are among the most athletic people you'll find in the world. Plus given the sport's focus on sports science rather than technical and tactical things, it's hardly surprising. Don't get riled by this notion. It's not as if they're the only athletes who are the best in the world. You'll find the same in the NBA, at the Olympics, in the Premier League, the Bundesliga, La Liga, in the grand slams and so on. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Does that mean AFL is a not so skillful game that a relative novice can pick up or is it because we don't have enough Athletic players playing that players from Rugby, NRL, Basketball, Gaelic football can come along and take the place of an Australian. You confuse skill and technique. Success in Aussie Rules requires athletic skill, not technical skill. Technical skill is usually only gained through years and years of practice and usually from a young age. Aussie Rules places no great weight on technical skill, more athletic skill. Football places great weight on both (although for central midfield and central defence, athletic skill tends to have less importance). +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Especially since no other country plays it. I know that can be tough to accept but that's the truth of it. Until we can quantify how Athletic AFL players are then you won't know eg If they played other countries who played AFL it would be a better measure. It's not tough. We can just look at the kind of things AFL does quantify and even glimpses of them playing the sport to work it out. That plus the people who go professional (even world class) in other sports who have realistic chances of playing AFL at around 15 or 16. The results speak for themselves. Don't get upset by it. Try to turn the tide by working out how football can make an impact in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. Unless you enjoy watching us concede upwards of two goals each occasion we face a decent opponent. When we get better technical players we won't be conceeding anything. It's got little to do with Athleticism, especially the ones the AFL are supposedly hoarding. The AFL isn't hoarding anything. It just has the luxury of having reaped the rewards of dominating the sporting cultural landscape of most Australian states and territories since it started; the largest talent pool and therefore most of the best athletes in those states and territories. If you haven't figured out that most of the best footballers in the world in the positions of striker, winger, wingback and goalkeeper have supreme athletic ability as well as technical ability and tactical awareness, you're either labouring under a hell of a misapprehension or kidding yourself. In what way has the AFL dominated the sporting cultural landscape especially when most juniors in EVERY state are playing football and not AFL. That's why the claim of AFL having the best Athletes is a ridiculous claim. It's nonsense. Just based on pure maths and statistics the claims by the journalist are nonsense. Just have a look at newspapers in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. That indicates the dominance of the sporting landscape. I understand things are improving and we're getting a better turn out now. These days, there are kids playing football from households which, traditionally, were pro AFL. I've heard tell that football has the highest participation rate in Australia. Nevertheless, where I grew up in Melbourne, and even more so in rural Victoria, plus in SA, WA, NT and (I'm told) Tassie, it still seems to be more popular, seems to tend to be played by better athletes and dominates topics of conversation. Things are getting better. But there's a lot work to be done. And we're still a long way behind AFL. However, as RBB been trying to explain, it's not athleticism that the Socceroos lack but football technique. You seem to misunderstand the way success in international elite sport works. It's got nothing to do saying- awww Jeez some of the Socceroos are about as comfortable on the ball as the Kardashians would be be in a leper colony. Wouldn't it be great if Mile Jedinak had the first touch of Patrick Vieira. That gets us nowhere. The NT are almost always just a product of circumstance. Those representing the nation are, almost invariably, the product of the circumstances and systems in place. Countries with the biggest natural advantage are those in which the sport pervades the fabric of society, where the incidence of kids being brought up playing the system is very high, where the systems and infrastructure in place are of a high quality (both at grassroots and elite level) and where there are outstanding professional competitions. This is why it's hardly surprising that countries such as Germany do so brilliantly. Unless we're talking about central midfield or defence, most of the best footballers in the world have technical brilliance, outstanding tactical awareness and excellent athleticism. It's not an either or case. The best tend to excel at it all. As RBB acknowledges, football has access to some of the best athletes in the world (especially in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia). So, what a surprise, it ends up being the case that they can choose from footballers who have technique and athleticism. I think I understand fully, England & Britain are fully brought up on the game of football, they have populations 10 times the size of the likes of Portugal & Croatia, yet England produces more Jedinaks then Vieiras, if unsure look at the Championship & lower part of the PL. While the likes of Croatia & Portugal produces more skilled players. Yeah, nah. You don't do facetiousness particularly well.. I identified a bunch of factors, not one. Portugal has excellent systems in place. That can compensate for a smaller population if England when through a sustained period without such good system (even with a larger population base). I think we on same page, but you have a different agenda. Yes football not being the no 1 sport in this country, doesn't allow it to have access to the best athletes as they may prefer AFL, Rugby League & lesser extent cricket (not just AFL). However, purely not having the best athletes is not the main issue in Australia it's having the correct systems in place, so yes 100% agree if Australia had a system in place like Portugal & has access to all the best athletes, we could be amongst the top 20 teams in the world, if not better. However, we do not have the correct system in place & having the best athletes would matter little at this time with football in this country. However, I feel if we had a system like Croatia or Portugal, we would be far in advance of just having access to the best athletes. It's why the powers that be @ FFA & the State feds have to realise the jig is up and the hard decisions must be made sooner than later, otherwise Oz football stays in this rut or sinks even deeper: - Persist with the National Curriculum - Either lower the rego fees for junior clubs/clinics or introduce discounts/deferral of fees for kids of lower-income background - Introduced a National 2nd Div (& possibly a 3rd) within the next 5+ years; whether with pro/rel or not isn't an initial concern - Independent A-League where its clubs own their individual trademarks/IP - (Eventually) Pro/rel & destruction of the salary cap - All full-time pro clubs operating their own Academies from junior all the way to youth level; in the meantime they should be using a feeder-club system to simulate this structure - (Eventually) Shifting the NPL/State/lower-league seasons to coincide with the HAL/European calendar; this will truly cement summer as 'soccer season' in Australia, and should increase profile/coverage in print media space - in time, at least
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A good article in the Roar this morning, written by Chelsea Randall, who plays for the Crows in the AFL Women's. She talks of the success of the AFL Women's in its inaugural season: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/06/20/afl-womens-riding-the-change-of-seasons/It's easy for us to forget these numbers from the grand final held on the Gold Coast earlier this year: Over 598,000 Australians tuned in to watch us play and over 15,600 flocked to Metricon Stadium to be a part of the live action. It was a great moment for women's sport in this country, and it's something we should all be proud of as Australians.
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+xA good article in the Roar this morning, written by Chelsea Randall, who plays for the Crows in the AFL Women's. She talks of the success of the AFL Women's in its inaugural season: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/06/20/afl-womens-riding-the-change-of-seasons/It's easy for us to forget these numbers from the grand final held on the Gold Coast earlier this year: Over 598,000 Australians tuned in to watch us play and over 15,600 flocked to Metricon Stadium to be a part of the live action. It was a great moment for women's sport in this country, and it's something we should all be proud of as Australians. Fuck off wanker.
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+xA good article in the Roar this morning, written by Chelsea Randall, who plays for the Crows in the AFL Women's. She talks of the success of the AFL Women's in its inaugural season: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/06/20/afl-womens-riding-the-change-of-seasons/It's easy for us to forget these numbers from the grand final held on the Gold Coast earlier this year: Over 598,000 Australians tuned in to watch us play and over 15,600 flocked to Metricon Stadium to be a part of the live action. It was a great moment for women's sport in this country, and it's something we should all be proud of as Australians. This isn't a fucking AFL thread.
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+xA good article in the Roar this morning, written by Chelsea Randall, who plays for the Crows in the AFL Women's. She talks of the success of the AFL Women's in its inaugural season: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/06/20/afl-womens-riding-the-change-of-seasons/It's easy for us to forget these numbers from the grand final held on the Gold Coast earlier this year: Over 598,000 Australians tuned in to watch us play and over 15,600 flocked to Metricon Stadium to be a part of the live action. It was a great moment for women's sport in this country, and it's something we should all be proud of as Australians. You have problems.
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I hold Davo responsible for this thread
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+xI hold Davo responsible for this thread Agreed. Throw the book at him Seriously though, doesn't want an article to get attention; in blind fury posts it on another website for people to read and comment on. Well done, you did what the write wanted you to do.
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You need medical advise, you have some serious problems...
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+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. Oh hell yes. As others have said it's beginning to change, esp. among the young, but it's def not helped by the totalitarian-propaganda levels of AFL media saturation 24/7, 365 days of the year - it practically stops short of updating you on when X AFL player last took a dump.
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+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. Oh hell yes. As others have said it's beginning to change, esp. among the young, but it's def not helped by the totalitarian-propaganda levels of AFL media saturation 24/7, 365 days of the year - it practically stops short of updating you on when X AFL player last took a dump. As much I like visiting Melbourne I think I would go bonkers if I lived there permanently.
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+xPip You need medical advise, you have some serious problems... Midfielder What I am about to say I say in the interests of friendship and to improve the world. The word you are looking for above is "advice". When a team fails to win or draw the game, they "lose" the game.
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+xAs much I like visiting Melbourne I think I would go bonkers if I lived there permanently. Case in point, if we'd beaten Germany this morning the lead sports stories on SEN/Triple M/3AW would've still been about AFL, or subplots of the one story. Mind you, they'd 'justify' it by either feigning ignorance of the Confeds Cup or dismissing it as a Mickey Mouse tournament...
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+x+xAs much I like visiting Melbourne I think I would go bonkers if I lived there permanently. Case in point, if we'd beaten Germany this morning the lead sports stories on SEN/Triple M/3AW would've still been about AFL, or subplots of the one story. Mind you, they'd 'justify' it by either feigning ignorance of the Confeds Cup or dismissing it as a Mickey Mouse tournament... SEN is AFL centric end of.You are right about the subplots of the one story...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. How is comparing a similar game like Gaelic football to AFL meaningless data in regards to Athleticism. I mean your ready to compare Athleticism in AFL and correlate it to football. It's even more meaningless data if you want to be fair. Because it's not actually the sport they are paid to play or brought up playing. And they win some 'series' and lose some. It's not taken all that seriously (not compared to regular AFL). It's meaningless. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Do I hate AFL. I'm not a fan but I can still appreciate they have some great Athletes playing. But the AFL and the journalist is sure drawing a long bow with the myth that the best Athletes are in AFL or that juniors are gravitating towards it. The journalist has an axe to grind but so too do a lot in the Australian football community. The AFL, traditionally, has had the best athletes (and juniors) in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT gravitating towards it, however much infuriating the sport may be. Far be it from me to tell people what to think but... The first step to addressing any problem is to acknowledge the problems existence, rather than to deny it. This is, indeed, a problem in most parts of Australia. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. That part doesn't make sense, especially with no data or evidence to back it up. It's funny how you brought up the 20m sprint test, do you have any solid data for football, even though it's a total meaningless measurement. There is plenty of evidence. As the sport involves relatively little technique (compared to football and other stuff), they do nothing but measure these sort of things. http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/testing-draft-results.htm+x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. How can the AFL even remotely have the best Athletes when half the country doesn't even play the sport. That's why I asked if the best Athletes are somehow born in Victoria. If you have ever been in Sydney you will find virtually no juniors playing AFL. That's a huge pool of potential best Athletes in the countries most populist state that the AFL doesn't even get a look in. It's a myth that the AFL love to trot out to pump up their tyres. Sorry but this smacks of an agenda. The AFL has traditionally had access to the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. That's most of Australia. Nobody (except perhaps those actually working for the AFL, itself) is suggesting that the AFL has any influence in NSW. But that doesn't alter the fact that it has more influence than any other sport in most of the rest of the country (and, traditionally, by some margin). +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. It's also the same reason saying that we have the best AFL players in the world. It's just a ridiculous statement. Especially since no other country plays it. I know that can be tough to accept but that's the truth of it. My friend, your mistake is to get wound up by their pettiness. Their sport has no international presence. Australians, quite often, tend to have an inferiority complex. So that plus the AFL's sheer lack of significance outside VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT is a recipe for those kind of ridiculous claims. What the AFL has (or traditionally has had) is access to the best athletes in those states. Imo, the fact that Australians have tended to be among the most active people in the world and the climate is very conducive towards it, the very best athletes in certain positions in AFL are among the most athletic people you'll find in the world. Plus given the sport's focus on sports science rather than technical and tactical things, it's hardly surprising. Don't get riled by this notion. It's not as if they're the only athletes who are the best in the world. You'll find the same in the NBA, at the Olympics, in the Premier League, the Bundesliga, La Liga, in the grand slams and so on. +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Does that mean AFL is a not so skillful game that a relative novice can pick up or is it because we don't have enough Athletic players playing that players from Rugby, NRL, Basketball, Gaelic football can come along and take the place of an Australian. You confuse skill and technique. Success in Aussie Rules requires athletic skill, not technical skill. Technical skill is usually only gained through years and years of practice and usually from a young age. Aussie Rules places no great weight on technical skill, more athletic skill. Football places great weight on both (although for central midfield and central defence, athletic skill tends to have less importance). +x+x+x[quote]Wow AFL have great Athletes, who are we exactly measuring them against, what benchmark. It's easy to say you are the best in the world at something when you are the only country playing the sport. I am not saying some players are not Athletic but how do you measure it. The closest I come to is when we play Ireland in International rules when the best of our Athleticism doesn't help us one iota. Let's not forget a good majority of these Irish players are made up AFL players in Australia and semi-pro Gaelic players. The odds should be heavily stacked in Australia's favourite should it not. If more countries were playing AFL I can guarantee you we wouldn't be the best nation in AFL and the question might be raised about ways we can get more Athletic players away from football, rugby and NRL so they can play AFL. That's a really misleading example. For one thing, it's not Aussie Rules, they're playing, it's a hybrid competition. And Ireland (albeit without a professional competition, I do believe) are used to playing Gaelic football with a round ball. And besides, some years Australia win, others Ireland win. Meaningless data. +xThis whole argument is based on a false premace and perpetuated by the AFL and swallowed up those who believe the propaganda. It's impossible to say that for one AFL is the recipient of the best Athletes in Australia. You have no way of knowing that until a player has reached physical maturity. Yes it would great if more players chose football but we already have more players to choose from than AFL and in the states of NSW and QLD there are virtually no players which to choose from for the AFL.
Sorry but none of this is based on any false premise.
It is possible to say that the AFL has access to the majority of the best athletes in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT (i.e. most of Australia).
Going from the best times run for 20m at AFL draft camps averaged out for about 13 years up until 2012, the best AFL footballer would run 2.824 seconds average. That's bloody quick. To put that into perspective, the average for the best in the NBA draft for 22.86m was 3.028 seconds. And, usually, AFL players are drafted at a younger age than NBA players by a few years.
Then, as I say, some of Australia's best athletes in international sports came quite close to playing AFL (Patty Mills, Ben Simmonds and Lleyton Hewitt, for example). That's rather telling. While not conclusive, it would indicate there's every chance a number of people in the AFL could have gone down the path of other professional sports. This seems to be the case a lot with cricket, basketball and the type of sports for which the Olympics is the biggest competition. Olympic athletes, by and large, don't get paid anywhere near as much as AFL players, so there's a big incentive there. Then Kyle Chalmers, for example, who won the gold medal for the men's 100m freestyle in Rio has plans on playing AFL after his swimming career.
And then you just have to think about it in context. In VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT, AFL dominates the headlines and the topic of conversation at schools, work, etc. Even in the off-season. So, what a surprise, it has traditionally had most of the best athletes in those parts of Australia.
I realise it's easy to go about having undiluted hatred of the AFL. They bring it upon themselves and they do tend to have an inferiority complex as their sport will never have any international presence. But it's more constructive to accept that the sport does actually have gifted athletes and to ask oneself how football might turn the tide going forward. Especially since no other country plays it. I know that can be tough to accept but that's the truth of it. Until we can quantify how Athletic AFL players are then you won't know eg If they played other countries who played AFL it would be a better measure. It's not tough. We can just look at the kind of things AFL does quantify and even glimpses of them playing the sport to work it out. That plus the people who go professional (even world class) in other sports who have realistic chances of playing AFL at around 15 or 16. The results speak for themselves. Don't get upset by it. Try to turn the tide by working out how football can make an impact in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. Unless you enjoy watching us concede upwards of two goals each occasion we face a decent opponent. When we get better technical players we won't be conceeding anything. It's got little to do with Athleticism, especially the ones the AFL are supposedly hoarding. The AFL isn't hoarding anything. It just has the luxury of having reaped the rewards of dominating the sporting cultural landscape of most Australian states and territories since it started; the largest talent pool and therefore most of the best athletes in those states and territories. If you haven't figured out that most of the best footballers in the world in the positions of striker, winger, wingback and goalkeeper have supreme athletic ability as well as technical ability and tactical awareness, you're either labouring under a hell of a misapprehension or kidding yourself. In what way has the AFL dominated the sporting cultural landscape especially when most juniors in EVERY state are playing football and not AFL. That's why the claim of AFL having the best Athletes is a ridiculous claim. It's nonsense. Just based on pure maths and statistics the claims by the journalist are nonsense. Just have a look at newspapers in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT. That indicates the dominance of the sporting landscape. I understand things are improving and we're getting a better turn out now. These days, there are kids playing football from households which, traditionally, were pro AFL. I've heard tell that football has the highest participation rate in Australia. Nevertheless, where I grew up in Melbourne, and even more so in rural Victoria, plus in SA, WA, NT and (I'm told) Tassie, it still seems to be more popular, seems to tend to be played by better athletes and dominates topics of conversation. Things are getting better. But there's a lot work to be done. And we're still a long way behind AFL. However, as RBB been trying to explain, it's not athleticism that the Socceroos lack but football technique. You seem to misunderstand the way success in international elite sport works. It's got nothing to do saying- awww Jeez some of the Socceroos are about as comfortable on the ball as the Kardashians would be be in a leper colony. Wouldn't it be great if Mile Jedinak had the first touch of Patrick Vieira. That gets us nowhere. The NT are almost always just a product of circumstance. Those representing the nation are, almost invariably, the product of the circumstances and systems in place. Countries with the biggest natural advantage are those in which the sport pervades the fabric of society, where the incidence of kids being brought up playing the system is very high, where the systems and infrastructure in place are of a high quality (both at grassroots and elite level) and where there are outstanding professional competitions. This is why it's hardly surprising that countries such as Germany do so brilliantly. Unless we're talking about central midfield or defence, most of the best footballers in the world have technical brilliance, outstanding tactical awareness and excellent athleticism. It's not an either or case. The best tend to excel at it all. As RBB acknowledges, football has access to some of the best athletes in the world (especially in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia). So, what a surprise, it ends up being the case that they can choose from footballers who have technique and athleticism. I think I understand fully, England & Britain are fully brought up on the game of football, they have populations 10 times the size of the likes of Portugal & Croatia, yet England produces more Jedinaks then Vieiras, if unsure look at the Championship & lower part of the PL. While the likes of Croatia & Portugal produces more skilled players. Yeah, nah. You don't do facetiousness particularly well.. I identified a bunch of factors, not one. Portugal has excellent systems in place. That can compensate for a smaller population if England when through a sustained period without such good system (even with a larger population base). I think we on same page, but you have a different agenda. Yes football not being the no 1 sport in this country, doesn't allow it to have access to the best athletes as they may prefer AFL, Rugby League & lesser extent cricket (not just AFL). However, purely not having the best athletes is not the main issue in Australia it's having the correct systems in place, so yes 100% agree if Australia had a system in place like Portugal & has access to all the best athletes, we could be amongst the top 20 teams in the world, if not better. However, we do not have the correct system in place & having the best athletes would matter little at this time with football in this country. However, I feel if we had a system like Croatia or Portugal, we would be far in advance of just having access to the best athletes. I agree with the gist of that (except we don't have a different agenda). I just don't think there's a main issue, per se. And it's next-to-impossible to quantify. There are a host of problematic issues. I listed factors which I think bring about a world-class national team. Australia is massively behind on basically all of them. I wholly agree that, without the right infrastructure, the only improvement (even with the popularity and 'best athletes') will be fluked. E.g. what is happening in Australian basketball now. I've had similar debates with some people from the UK who don't think that, for many years, their infrastructure was inferior to that of much of Continental Europe (N.B. not all people from the UK believe this). And I say exactly what you're saying. Why do I say that? There's no dispute that England has the passion and the participation rate. The bone of contention is whether England has gone about youth development in the best way. So, here, there's no dispute (between you and I) that without the right infrastructure, there's not likely to be sustained success. We agree on that. What's in question, here, is the role that other things play. Imo, There, similarly, won't be sustained success until such a point that football pervades the sporting fabric of society and has access to the best athletes, as well as having the right infrastructure. We may fluke a golden generation with great infrastructure but average cultural impact. But it will only be a fluke.For sustained success, we need that infrastructure and cultural impact such that the player pool is as large as possible and juniors (best athletes and otherwise) have world-class coaching and pathways. You need it all!
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+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha!
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+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't it though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything football related. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment. Where do I apply ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment. Ohhhh, you're referring to our fellow poster. I thought, by hack, you meant journalist. I don't want to be drawn in to doubting fellow posters without more evidence. It might be well-meant and completely innocent. But nothing is off the table and you're as likely as anybody on here to see through mischief. Certainly our Russian and Chinese friends have been doing precisely this sort of thing to influence political outcomes in other countries. Are the AFL any better?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment. The more obvious answer is he is a sad old man, likely retired, that sadly has nothing else left. It actually breaks my heart a little that it comes to this for some people late in life. AusFootballFan was banned for far less shitposting and derailing of threads but I don't think I would wanna see Pip banned as he clearly has not much else and we should probably make some allowances for the old and infirm dears out there. There but for the grace of god etc...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment. The more obvious answer is he is a sad old man, likely retired, that sadly has nothing else left. It actually breaks my heart a little that it comes to this for some people late in life. AusFootballFan was banned for far less shitposting and derailing of threads but I don't think I would wanna see Pip banned as he clearly has not much else and we should probably make some allowances for the old and infirm dears out there. There but for the grace of god etc... it's OK, you're gonna make a wonderful grumpy old c*nt one day
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out?
The answer, paid employment. Don't get me wrong, I def don't doubt the possibility but it's just as likely he's irrationally obsessed with doing his bit to derail football's growth in Australia by trolling us fans. I'm reminded of the two fuckwits who trolled the old SBS TWG forums into extinction; Blue Lion/NK Dinamo and Redneville. Dare I say that for all its remaining problems, the current state of the game compared to 15 years ago must really still have those carnts' jimmies rustled...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment. The more obvious answer is he is a sad old man, likely retired, that sadly has nothing else left. It actually breaks my heart a little that it comes to this for some people late in life. AusFootballFan was banned for far less shitposting and derailing of threads but I don't think I would wanna see Pip banned as he clearly has not much else and we should probably make some allowances for the old and infirm dears out there. There but for the grace of god etc... it's OK, you're gonna make a wonderful grumpy old c*nt one day Thank you
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment. The more obvious answer is he is a sad old man, likely retired, that sadly has nothing else left. It actually breaks my heart a little that it comes to this for some people late in life. AusFootballFan was banned for far less shitposting and derailing of threads but I don't think I would wanna see Pip banned as he clearly has not much else and we should probably make some allowances for the old and infirm dears out there. There but for the grace of god etc... His multi was banned and it'll happen again if he goes off topic in threads. He's been warned on the AFLW post but in general this thread was pretty much bait for him from the beginning.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment. The more obvious answer is he is a sad old man, likely retired, that sadly has nothing else left. It actually breaks my heart a little that it comes to this for some people late in life. AusFootballFan was banned for far less shitposting and derailing of threads but I don't think I would wanna see Pip banned as he clearly has not much else and we should probably make some allowances for the old and infirm dears out there. There but for the grace of god etc... it's OK, you're gonna make a wonderful grumpy old c*nt one day Thank you pull my finger
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThree weeks ago attended a 3 day tax seminar. Don't worry I am not about to quote from budget paper 15 on truck driver deductions. But in the meeting where some people from Melbourne who used the time to spend a week in Sydney. Over lunch one day sport came up as a topic. The Melbourne folk started to laugh when 4 of us at the table starting talking about the A-League and I was explaining to 2 wsw and 1 sfsc fan the plans the Mariners had.... their attitude was one of you can't really be serious you follow soccer... anyhows as lunch worn on we heard endless stories about AFL and the A-League tis almost as if they were watching A-League metrics keeping score. For the most part we ignored them, as their arguments where they set the valuation system and under their valuation system there could only be the AFL the winner. But but but but what we found hhhhmmm no words to describe was their belief that almost every AFL player could walk into the worlds top Football sides... actually giving example of how player X side footed a ball at a certain angle into a goal. My impression was if this group was any reflection of the broader AFL community they don't believe it when we say touch needs development from 4, 5 or 6 until you are 17. 18 ... they honestly believe or these guys do that we are talking bullshit and the Great Waste of Space players could walk in and be as good as Barca ... Interesting to hear from posters from the southern states if these guys reflect the broader AFL community. You appear to have about half a dozen variations of this same story you pull out every now and then. The Victory has been the largest A-League club since the 2nd season of the A-League, in fact no other A-League club comes close in terms of attendances, membership and revenue. The Victory is located in Melbourne, and traditionally, half of its membership base have been AFL members (it's a similar story for City). Have you ever tried reconciling how the largest A-League club is located in AFL heartland and actually relies on AFL members for half of its revenue? Whereas the Mariners is located in a region where there is no AFL, and yet it's the puniest club in the A-League and is stuck in an ongoing battle for relevance and survival. Fuck it, I'm in Sochi to support Australian football today, I'm not wasting any more of my time on your NEGATIVE CONCERN TROLLING. Bang on. I've been looking for the exact phrase and you've nailed it. I'm amazed at the amount of posters here that are sucked in by this AFL hack. With the utmost respect, Munrubenmuz, that might be said to be an instance of association fallacy. The classic example is Hitler and foxhunting. I hate Hitler and most things he stood for. But, it so happens that Hitler allegedly opposed foxhunting. I, personally, think foxhunting is barbaric (irrespective of anything Hitler ever said). Supposing somebody goes about saying that foxhunting is fine because Hitler was opposed to it, am I supposed to be silent? The AFL hack may be a douche, but it doesn't logically entail that everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage. Is the traditional cultural dominance of the AFL in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT one of the things which hinders the success of Australian football? You betcha! That's the clever part of it isn't though? He obviously knows his stuff but he's only here to rag on football every chance he gets. It's this 'ooh look I really love soccer but look how much better the AFL is" schtick that is really tiresome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was paid by the AFL to troll football forums. Go onto any Guardian article about Australian football and there's pippinu under the nom-de-plume of Bazza77 pouring a bucket of shit all over anything and everything. You have to wonder if he hated football so much why would he go to so much trouble to be informed enough to bag it out? The answer, paid employment. Where do I apply ? Exactly. How good would life be if someone was prepared to pay mug punters for putting up posts, most of them correcting the grammar of those who can barely string two words together (oops, just outed myself as a card carrying member of the grammar nazis).
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