National second division is kicking off with or without FFA


National second division is kicking off with or without FFA

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scott21 - 9 Jul 2017 5:19 PM
But isn't there estimated break even point at 3k or so for SM?

I think that is break even for match day costs.
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scott21 - 9 Jul 2017 5:19 PM
But isn't there estimated break even point at 3k or so for SM?

if they were in the a league that would probably be too small a supporter base and would supress tv ratings. Their supporters claim they are broad based these days so maybe they would be ok

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Well hard to guess really. Greater wellington has a population of 500k but last season they averaged 6k. 
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grazorblade - 9 Jul 2017 3:16 PM

Clubs can't afford to be monoethnic anyway, especially when P&R happens. It's just a short cut to relegation.

Exactly. I imagine that most would maintain elements of their cultural heritage, but market themselves to a broad base. Will be great when we get regular A-League games at boutique stadiums in the suburbs.

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I guess an advantage of a tas canberra geelong north queensland freo etc bids is that they would be breaking new ground. Another syd or melb team, unless they can really target a geographic region are just going to be competing agsinst a league teams for fans. Smh can draw on an ethnic thing but i cant see the good folks of albert park prahran and st kilda rallying around the club to raise their attendance by 3k. Anyway i think for div 2  thefe shouldnt be massive crowd ecpectations. Most npl clubs would be happy or overjoyed with 3k and unless there is a tv deal and mega advertising there mightnt be much reason for those numbers to change
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Unless the FFA or A-League clubs turn around and say 'here's $Xmillion, we are going to fund an A-LeagueTwo' with franchises and bidders in a simliar fashion to how the HAL started then any second division needs to be in the form of a National NPL/NPL First Division. 

Minimum requirement for me to start with would be 3-5 fully professional players with 1 or 2 scholarship players in each youth age group.
Set criteria for say by season 10, clubs have to have at least 10 fully professional players with say 5 or so scholarship players in each youth age group. 
Including the scholarship players at youth level will hopefully push clubs in the direction of free of charge/cheaper football. 
Fully professional only has to be minimum wage set by PFA.

Import rules can be same as A-League but the professional player quota only counts for Australian players, same with scholarships.

Another thing I would include would be within the first 5 seasons, clubs need to start making plans and working with councils, government, etc for BASIC stadium/grandstands with a set minimum criteria for capacity, medical, media, coroporate facilities. This can be monitored by the AAFC but I would expect some leniancy with this, more so for the fact each state has different requirement and procedures in regards to building,etc and some councils can drag their feet, etc. As long as steady progress occurs.
Marden Stadium - Adelaide Blue Eagles home ground is a perfect example of the standards I personally would expect.

Without someone dishing out  a reasonable amount of cash, then I believe this is the best way forward. We can't force clubs to stretch beyond their means and jump straight to fully professional, paying for flights around the country and start building grandstands/stadiums etc. We have to let them grown organically. As long as their is attainable criteria with set dates to achieve it by, progress will happen. Might be slower than we all wish for, but its progress.

We also have to remember relegation is going to be unlikely to start with as not everybody is going to want to be promoted and go national. Its rumoured that  up to 24 clubs have shown interest so I suggest that if there is 18 or less then the league be fully national, more than that split it into conferences. 
Relegation can still happen in the form of meeting criteria checkpoints along the way.

Clubs that want to join in the future still can on the basis they meet the same criteria and timeframes the original X amount of clubs did. Maybe have them finish top 3-5 or qualify for finals in their state NPL1 competition so clubs that join we know are of some on field standard.

Once we hit more than 20 clubs in a fully national division we split it into two divisions and pro/rel can happen between the two. Same can happen if we end up with conferences, once each conference hits 16 teams we promote the top 6 of each to form a 12 team national division above the conferences.

In reality this should be treated as a transitional league from semipro/amatuer, a springboard to professionalism.

In my eyes its just as important, if not more, that we create more pathways to professional football and increase our professional footprint, than it is condensing talent.

Pyramids are built from the ground up, not the top down.



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bigpoppa - 9 Jul 2017 7:01 PM
Unless the FFA or A-League clubs turn around and say 'here's $Xmillion, we are going to fund an A-LeagueTwo' with franchises and bidders in a simliar fashion to how the HAL started then any second division needs to be in the form of a National NPL/NPL First Division. 

Minimum requirement for me to start with would be 3-5 fully professional players with 1 or 2 scholarship players in each youth age group.
Set criteria for say by season 10, clubs have to have at least 10 fully professional players with say 5 or so scholarship players in each youth age group. 
Including the scholarship players at youth level will hopefully push clubs in the direction of free of charge/cheaper football. 
Fully professional only has to be minimum wage set by PFA.

Import rules can be same as A-League but the professional player quota only counts for Australian players, same with scholarships.

Another thing I would include would be within the first 5 seasons, clubs need to start making plans and working with councils, government, etc for BASIC stadium/grandstands with a set minimum criteria for capacity, medical, media, coroporate facilities. This can be monitored by the AAFC but I would expect some leniancy with this, more so for the fact each state has different requirement and procedures in regards to building,etc and some councils can drag their feet, etc. As long as steady progress occurs.
Marden Stadium - Adelaide Blue Eagles home ground is a perfect example of the standards I personally would expect.

Without someone dishing out  a reasonable amount of cash, then I believe this is the best way forward. We can't force clubs to stretch beyond their means and jump straight to fully professional, paying for flights around the country and start building grandstands/stadiums etc. We have to let them grown organically. As long as their is attainable criteria with set dates to achieve it by, progress will happen. Might be slower than we all wish for, but its progress.

We also have to remember relegation is going to be unlikely to start with as not everybody is going to want to be promoted and go national. Its rumoured that  up to 24 clubs have shown interest so I suggest that if there is 18 or less then the league be fully national, more than that split it into conferences. 
Relegation can still happen in the form of meeting criteria checkpoints along the way.

Clubs that want to join in the future still can on the basis they meet the same criteria and timeframes the original X amount of clubs did. Maybe have them finish top 3-5 or qualify for finals in their state NPL1 competition so clubs that join we know are of some on field standard.

Once we hit more than 20 clubs in a fully national division we split it into two divisions and pro/rel can happen between the two. Same can happen if we end up with conferences, once each conference hits 16 teams we promote the top 6 of each to form a 12 team national division above the conferences.

In reality this should be treated as a transitional league from semipro/amatuer, a springboard to professionalism.

In my eyes its just as important, if not more, that we create more pathways to professional football and increase our professional footprint, than it is condensing talent.

Pyramids are built from the ground up, not the top down.



Some would argue that it would be a pyramid scheme which is what the HAL looks like at times. 


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The chief proponents of an A-League promotion-relegation model admit that turning the blueprint into reality may still be some years off.
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11 JUL 2017 - 7:22 PM  UPDATED 57 MINS AGO

Calls for a national second tier competition are resonating loudly, with the newly formed Australian Association of Football Clubs at the vanguard of a movement which aims to have one up and running by 2018-2019.

But its chairman Rabieh Krayem - former CEO of short-lived A-League franchise North Queensland Fury - has moved to keep aspirations of promotion-relegation in check.

"Of course that's the ultimate goal but I feel we're a few years away from that yet," said Krayem ahead of the 120-club strong AAFC's first board meeting this weekend.

"You have to learn to walk first. We have to initially set up a sustainable second tier competition.

"You have to be realistic ... we have to work alongside the existing A-League clubs and the FFA to pursue this goal.

"It's no use me saying we'd like to see it happen in a couple of years when we haven't had those discussions (with the game's other stakeholders)."

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An A-League club chief has called on FIFA to step in and disband the FFA board, as relations between Whitman Square and the clubs reach breaking point.

Krayem, though, insists that the model which pervades world football ultimately being adopted in Australia is in "the best interests of the game".

"When exactly that will happen is it too early to talk about right now," he said.

"Once you have an established second tier then comes the broader discussion of 'is it viable'? Is it feasible? And what does promotion-relegation look like can be had."

Krayem and his board, all volunteers from across the NPL, are reluctant to fuel the political firestorms assailing FFA over the broadening of its congress amid the stated threat from FIFA of potentially stepping in to enforce reform.

He does, however, believe the AAFC should be granted voting rights for future FFA boards once reforms are finally enacted.

"We want to be consulted and believe we are a key stakeholder and therefore should have representation in the congress," he declared.

A-League deadlock calls for government help
In 2003, as Frank Lowy contemplated what life might be like running his beloved game, he looked at the finances of the organisation he inherited. What he saw was not a pretty sight, a few hundred thousand dollars rattling around inside the piggy bank.

How the second tier might look will be a hot topic this weekend, with various models being discussed by the existing NPL clubs - such as dual conferences to negate prohibitive travel costs.

"You only get one shot at this and you want to make sure you get it right the first time," said Krayem. "It's not a matter of 'will there be a second tier national competition?'

"It's a matter of when and just how it's structured.

"A lot of work has already been done on a number of models.

"The infrastructure is already there, and we are certainly not trying to compete with the A-League.

"What we are talking about is a semi-professional second-tier competition and potentially 500 extra players given an opportunity to play at a higher level than they are at the moment.

"We are in the business of developing pathways for players and trying to capitalise the game to take it to the next level."

A-League promotion-relegation still 'a few years away' | : The World Game


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Krayem, though, insists that the model which pervades world football ultimately being adopted in Australia is in "the best interests of the game".




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aufc_ole - 11 Jul 2017 9:30 PM
CC: Gallop/Lowy

Krayem, though, insists that the model which pervades world football ultimately being adopted in Australia is in "the best interests of the game".




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I wanted to psot this here so when we get pro rel I can get it framed and send it to him in th post




A-LEAGUE FANS, RISE UP!

Time to call a spade a spade.

FFA find themselves under fire from two distinct sources - A-League club owners and the so-called Association of Australian Football Clubs, the AAFC.

A-League clubs want a larger slice of the TV revenue. Fair enough too, and this is a haggle FFA and A-League clubs need to have. Club owners have invested much in football and deserve a larger slice of the pie. As Simon Hill correctly points out, FFA have been autocratic and less than transparent, while some of the A-League clubs have behaved like brats.

An issue bigger and far more insidious is AAFC’s push for a national Division 2, complete with promotion/relegation into the A-League. Those who have read my views will know that I strongly support a self-funding second division, though not promotion and relegation. The reason is simple – the Australian sporting landscape is unlike any in the world. Combine our football’s challenges of:

a) A small population, spread thinly around the coastline;
b) A hyper-saturated market with four football codes, cricket and other sports;
c) The corporate dollar’s finite and thinly spread resources; 
d) Massive distances between population centres;
e) Football’s status as johnny-come-lately to Australian sport’s mainstream;
f) A unionised A-League that demands a minimum wage and other benefits;
g) Perception that the A-League is inferior to many football leagues abroad,

and it is clear that only a very specific business model can attract funds to make the A-League a success. No other major sport has a national Division 2 in this country, let alone one with promotion into Division 1.

Could a fully professional Division 2 stand on its own financial feet, without relying on FFA resources, already stretched to breaking point? My view is that, if run sustainably and an initial start-up investment and annual membership fees are provided by financially responsible member clubs, enough corporate funds could be raised to bridge the gap and make it viable. And there is no argument that a second division would be great for football.

So is A-League expansion - the league must grow to at least 14 teams. This expansion is vital for the growth of the sport and ways must be found to make it happen.

However, promotion/relegation into the A-League is simply out of the question. The only reason that the A-League exists as a fully professional competition – FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN OUR HISTORY – is that it presents a model that engages public and media interest.

Unlike all its forerunners, it is this model that attracts funds from Foxtel, Hyundai, Qantas, NAB and Harvey Norman – funds that offer A-League players full time, professional careers right here in Australia. It is also this model that attracts owners willing to invest in Australian football – billionaire entities such as the City Football Group, David Traktovenko, Tony Sage and the Ledman group.

This model that has brought investors in A-League clubs and the league as a whole on an unprecedented level. It has also – vitally - attracted exposure via Foxtel’s ongoing support. And finally, and perhaps most importantly, it is this model – and this model only – that has attracted millions of fans, both traditional and newly converted, to the terraces.

The road hasn't been a smooth one and the model isn’t without its flaws, but it is the best we’ve had.

And it works, otherwise A-League stands would be practically empty. Instead, in the past 12 years, the A-League has delivered exciting football spectacles to strong average crowds. Interest in the A-League among football and broader communities, including children and teenagers, is at an all-time high. And for the first time in history, Australian footballers are enjoying full-time, professional careers in their own country.

The A-League is a great story.

So why the fuss? What is really going on? Who is this AAFC mob? Why do they aim to upset the apple cart? And why, flying in the face of logic and common sense, do they insist on promotion and relegation into the A-League?

The answer begins way back in 2004, when the part-time NSL – broke, poorly attended and barely televised - was finally put out of its misery by the new, Federal Government-backed Football Federation Australia.

Having rightly concluded that most NSL clubs held minimal appeal in the football community, and none outside it, the newly formed FFA established a brand new national competition – one based on the one team-one city concept. Four new teams were set up in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Gosford, adding to the already geographically-aligned Adelaide United, Perth Glory, Newcastle Jets and New Zealand Knights.

Sponsors and fans liked what they saw and jumped on board and since then, the A-League has treated us, the fans, to Dwight Yorke, Juninho and Alessandro Del Piero. We have enjoyed Sydney and Melbourne derbies – dramas played out before thirty-sixty thousand screaming supporters. Football may still be fighting a glass ceiling in this country but when it comes to national competition, we’ve never had it so good.

The football benefits that we enjoy today were simply impossible under the old NSL structure. Had NSL clubs been capable of attracting anywhere near the fan and corporate support that the A-League enjoys today, they would still be in national competition and the A-League would never have seen the light of day.

The NSL carries its own proud history but was simply a model that was unsustainable into the future. And despite initial rumblings, the old NSL clubs found their level in State League competitions.

But feelings remained hurt. Proud old clubs were now sidelined and despite, at times, failing to draw over a hundred fans to NPL matches, they have refused to accept that their influence is over.

FFA’s, at times, autocratic ways, haven't helped. Their governance, while helping run an effective, popular, fully professional national competition for the first time in our football history, was contrary to FIFA’s edicts. And some slimeball managed to get that corrupt, rotting carcass of an organisation to cast its beady eye across the Pacific.

Today, FIFA and Old Soccer stand on the throat of football in this country. If FIFA meddles sufficiently to force promotion and relegation into the A-League upon us, it will, over time, sound the death knell of full-time professionalism, with all the benefits that that entails.

Not immediately, of course. But as more NPL clubs gain promotion into the A-League, the competition will lose meaning to sponsors, media and owners alike. The model that attracts millions of dollars’ worth of revenue will haemorrhage funds as key stakeholders begin to abandon the sinking ship.

With funds declining, so will on-field standards, as the best of the players will seek greater remuneration abroad. Forget Del Piero – even the likes of Milos Ninkovic and Besart Berisha and would become unaffordable, while average A-League players will hit far better paydirt in Asia.

Reverse revolution would be complete, as this country’s reactionary forces re-establish control.

The genie is out of the bottle. The same entities who brought the game to its knees twenty years ago are now agitating for a return to the bad old days – the days when they ruled the roost.

Their reasons for seeking promotion and relegation have little to do with football’s greater good, no matter the slogans they wrap themselves in. Self-serving and self-centred, they long for the influence they lost when they lost the football war. They long for centre-stage once again, despite their unwillingness to pay senior players without fleecing juniors. They long for national exposure, despite failing to attract more than a few hundred people to their grounds each week.

Their cause isn’t a noble one.

And having engaged FIFA – another organisation unworthy of running the sport (#newfifanow), I am afraid they are winning.

We, the football fans – the ones who have gained so much with the advent of the A-League – are being blindsided and have much to lose.

We are football’s silent majority. We vote with our feet and our wallets, buying A-League club memberships, merchandise and Foxtel subscriptions.

It is time we woke up, before what is enjoyed by the many, is destroyed by the machinations of a self-serving few.

And told AAFC exactly where they can stick their agenda.


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What a fucking idiot. I could wring his neck with his stupidity. Once and for all "WE ARE NOT UNIQUE".










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Same old same old.We can't because we are different.
Yet we have failed ,because we assume we are different and cant have p/r..
The very thing that makes Football successful all around the world we refuse to adopt,because we are different.Decade after decade we fail.
THE ANSWER IS BLOODY OBVIOUS.But we are different!
Maybe one day when the HAL has been folded.Someone might actually say ...How about we start with a multiple division p/r system,like the rest of the world....But probably not in my lifetime..
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Micheal Safro is an apologist nothing more.

We need to stop making excuses for ourselves if we want to grow this sport.
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RBBAnonymous - 11 Jul 2017 11:05 PM
What a fucking idiot. I could wring his neck with his stupidity. Once and for all "WE ARE NOT UNIQUE".



Go halves in a strangulation charge? :P
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Rimbaud - 11 Jul 2017 11:30 PM
RBBAnonymous - 11 Jul 2017 11:05 PM

Go halves in a strangulation charge? :P

Thirds. 


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Definition of fear mongering 
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I saw that on Facebook and started reading it but gave up. Then read the comments under the post. Almost replied to a few of the idiots but it wasnt worth it.

The biggest downfall of social media, everyone has a platform to voice an opinion and gain a following of labor unused idiots, no matter how backwards, biased or I'll-informed their opinion may be.
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Agenda driven rubbish


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So start the timer then.

Set some bullshit arbitrary number like they always do ("oh not for another X years") and start the fucking timer.

Sick of these fucking throw away lines that never actually get the formulation of an answer started for the question in the first place.

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Bloody hell that's a horrible 'article'.

The complete rant is based on flawed logic and boils down to 'I don't like the ex-NSL clubs so please keep them away from my club'.  

It is clearly a fear mongering piece. He points out why Australia is apparently so unique, and uses this to explain why pro/rel won't work. And then turns around and says a 2nd Div will work because we'll simply figure out a way to make it work..

The same arguments made against pro/rel could be used against a 2nd Div, but apparently that's doable (despite very little explanation as to why he supports it).




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aussieshorter - 12 Jul 2017 11:11 AM
Bloody hell that's a horrible 'article'.

The complete rant is based on flawed logic and boils down to 'I don't like the ex-NSL clubs so please keep them away from my club'.  

It is clearly a fear mongering piece. He points out why Australia is apparently so unique, and uses this to explain why pro/rel won't work. And then turns around and says a 2nd Div will work because we'll simply figure out a way to make it work..

The same arguments made against pro/rel could be used against a 2nd Div, but apparently that's doable (despite very little explanation as to why he supports it).



The strange thing is it comes from a fan of Sydney FC who, under a pro rel model, has less to worry about than the likes of Wellington and Central Coast in such an environment. It's of no consequence whether the 10th club is replaced by the 11th best. And if the gulf is so big between those 2 then logically the next season they swap places again anyway.

Even if you took the utterly insane view that 10 current NPL clubs would win promotion to the HAL such an outcome couldn't happen in less than 10 years (assuing a one u one down pro rel model). The fear mongering is unreal.
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The comments are like taking apart a fucking kinder surprise. Clueless mindless zombies they are. 


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Can some please post this article?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/local-soccer-sa/majority-of-sa-premier-league-clubs-support-formation-of-soccers-national-second-division/news-story/b458f4b037f8ca4183b29e9f9e5f72e7
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Majority of SA Premier League clubs support formation of soccer’s national second division
Rob Greenwood, The Advertiser
July 14, 2017 5:30pm
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ALL bar two of SA’s top flight soccer clubs have backed plans for a national second division and believe the concept may become a reality as early as next year.

A survey by The Advertiser revealed nine of the 11 eligible SA Premier League sides would support the establishment of an additional tier to sit below the A-League.

Five of the clubs also expressed an interest in fielding a team in the second division, or B-League, including former National Soccer League powers Adelaide City and West Adelaide.

The findings emerged as a national independent body representing the interests of 120 semi-professional outfits across the country prepared to hold its first board meeting this weekend.

The Association of Australian Football Clubs last week adopted a constitution and appointed directors charged in part with developing a feasible model for a second division.

Seven SA Premier League clubs had joined the group.

Adelaide City board member Alf Ianniello said a national second tier was vital to give more young players professional pathways and allow local clubs to grow.

“We’re 100 per cent behind it,” Ianniello said.

“The gap between NPL (National Premier Leagues) and the A-League is just too big.

“Forget about what club you’re representing, this is all about player development.”


Adelaide City captain Matthew Halliday. The Black and Whites are leading contenders for inclusion in a proposed national second division. Picture: Stephen Laffer
Most clubs believed a 10-12 team competition, running concurrently with the A-League over summer, would be the most viable format.

Ianniello suggested matches might be played as double-headers with Adelaide United games at Hindmarsh Stadium.

He estimated it would cost about $3 million per season to cover travel, accommodation, and player and staff wages.

“We did a lot of investigations for (entering) an A-League team and we deemed it not financially viable for our club,” said Ianniello, of the three-time NSL champion.

“But for a second division, we think we can make it work because we’ve got the national brand to make it happen.”

Clubs surveyed said the second tier should establish itself for at least four years before promotion to and relegation from the A-League would be considered.

West Adelaide chairman Alex Alexandrou said the NSL founding member was well-placed for inclusion as it prepared to move into its new $10 million stadium at Kilburn next year.

He supported a push for the B-League to be established in time for the 2018/19 season.

“Our belief is the sport of football requires clubs to be able to aspire to the highest level they can, whether that’s A-League, (national) second division or NPL,” Alexandrou said.


SA Premier League clubs Campbelltown City and West Adelaide facing off earlier this campaign. Picture: Stephen Laffer
“I believe our national teams are suffering at all ages because of the limited amount of opportunities Australian players are getting in the A-League.

“The budget and parameters haven’t been set yet, but a (national) second division is definitely something that our club aspires to.”

West Torrens Birkalla chairman Amin Ayoubi was elected as SA’s representative on the AAFC board.

He said the group hoped to present a viable model for a second tier to Football Federation Australia, which the governing body would develop to run the league.

“The board is created to support every NPL club in anything they need, whether it’s a (national) second division or getting a fence around their pitch,” Ayoubi said.

“This board has not been created to take over anything, but we need to make sure that the clubs have a second voice.

“We’re trying to create opportunities within Australia for this sport to be more exposed to everyone.”

Clubs agreed funding second tier teams would require significant support from FFA, state and federal governments, and corporate sponsors.

Suggestions to negate costs included regionalised divisions to reduce travel demands and merged teams representing several local clubs.


Kusini Yengi playing for Adelaide Comets at SA Athletics Stadium. Picture: Stephen Laffer
Adelaide Comets president Jim Tsouvalas said the Mile End outfit hoped to nominate for inclusion within five years.


The club received a $3.5 million government grant this week to upgrade its training complex at Ellis Park and was in discussions about improving its SA Athletics Centre home ground.

“There’s a lot of aspiring clubs around the country, so why not have the incentive to go as high as we can,” Tsouvalas said.

“In the eastern states there would be at least half a dozen clubs easily that could cope with that (second division) and even in SA there is probably two or three.”

Rep Giordano, chairman of 10-time SA champion Adelaide Blue Eagles, said the Marden side had been calling for a national second tier since the 1990s.

He said television exposure would attract new sponsors.

“The local league is dying in terms of people, spectators and financial support,” Giordano said.

“Sponsors these days want something for their money – gone are the days when the economy was so good they had the money rolling out of their pockets.”

Cumberland United and Adelaide Olympic had joined the AAFC and supported the concept of a second division, but were not yet ready to nominate for admission.


Ten-time SA top flight champion Adelaide Blue Eagles have called for a national second division since the 1990s. Zack Gomez controls the ball against Para Hills. Picture: Roger Wyman
Reigning SA champion Campbelltown City and three-time national FFA Cup participant MetroStars backed the proposal but were not AAFC members.

Croydon Kings and Para Hills declined to comment on the plans.

The youth team of Adelaide United, which plays in the SA top tier, would likely be excluded from the new competition.

An FFA spokesperson said the governing body was available to discuss a potential national second division with the AAFC.

“The key issue is that any new competition needs to be sustainable in the long-term and that is the greatest challenge to establishing a national second division at this time,” the spokesperson said.

Football Federation SA chief executive Michael Carter said the body backed moves for a second tier within the next five years.

“We’re an advocate for it without question,” Carter said.

“There obviously needs to be a lot of work done on the financial modelling and affordability of the second division.

“But there’s a huge player base and a very narrow pathway at the top and it needs to widen quickly.”

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How a national second division might look according to SA clubs:

■ 10-12 team competition

■ To start within one-three years

■ Maximum of two SA clubs

■ Possibility of a merged entrant from several SA clubs

■ Run concurrently with the A-League over summer

■ Potential for double-headers with Adelaide United matches at Hindmarsh Stadium

■ Promotion to and relegation from A-League to be introduced after four-five seasons

■ Formed in consultation with 120 semi-professional members of Association of Australian Football Clubs

■ Backed by state federations and ran by Football Federation Australia

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Cheers.

Imo double headers are stupid.

Season should be played over winter until eventual promotion.




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How a national second division might look according to SA clubs:
■ 10-12 team competition
■ To start within one-three years
■ Maximum of two SA clubs
■ Possibility of a merged entrant from several SA clubs
■ Run concurrently with the A-League over summer
■ Potential for double-headers with Adelaide United matches at Hindmarsh Stadium
■ Promotion to and relegation from A-League to be introduced after four-five seasons
■ Formed in consultation with 120 semi-professional members of Association of Australian Football Clubs
■ Backed by state federations and ran by Football Federation Australia

 Looks sensible to me including the time frame

@Scott21 - P & R if it happens will need to be pretty closely aligned with the A-league season. It wont be run in separate seasons.  







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Second division needs to run concurrently with the HAL ultimately,so may as well start that way.Also it allows for the potential of reducing player costs by borrowing players from the HAL.A lot of HAL players get minimal game time.They can be loaned to local teams at no expense.It helps player development and reduces wages bills.
Also there is potential for Second div players getting picked up by HAL teams in the transfer window in the new year.
It would also help FFA Cup for Second Div teams.
Another option is to start or finish halfway through the HAL season .To make a clear distinction between the two competitions and avoid finals amd starting overlapping.


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Interesting the Adelaide City board member roughly estimates it will cost 3m per season to run a 2nd div team. What were the PFA's estimates? 
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scott21 - 14 Jul 2017 7:52 PM
Cheers.Imo double headers are stupid.Season should be played over winter until eventual promotion.

What's the point of double headers? Play at your own stadium 
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