Why soccer fans are boycotting Adelaide Oval


Why soccer fans are boycotting Adelaide Oval

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Why soccer fans are boycotting Adelaide Oval

ABOUT 30,000 soccer fans indirectly on Friday night told Adelaide Oval to “get stuffed’’.

Adelaide Oval is great when it’s almost full to the brim for a soccer match after the State Government did cricket and the AFL a huge favour by redeveloping a creaking venue at taxpayers expense.

Fans have seen the rejuvenated old lady that has had a $535 million facelift heaving for a soccer match only twice.

But fans turning their backs on the venue and Adelaide United on Friday night does need some perspective.

Anyone who predicted a decade ago that Australia’s men’s national soccer league would attract 19,416 fans to the Oval would have been asked to seek urgent medical help.

Soccer has come a long way in enticing fans to stadiums since the NSL died in 2004.

Adelaide United’s 2016 grand final drew 50,119 fans to the Oval last year; 53,008 — the venue’s fifth-best crowd since redevelopment — saw England’s Liverpool play the Reds in 2015.

But for all the money spent at the venue, it has been attacked brutally by soccer fans.

Many are using social media saying Adelaide Oval is unsuitable for soccer, especially when the stadium is about 60 per cent below its 53,500 capacity.

Adelaide Oval is also not FIFA compliant because in some parts it exceeds the maximum recommended 190m viewing distance between fans and the pitch.

And VIP security access is below international match standards although the Socceroos, despite the Oval not meeting FIFA recommendations, were allowed to play FIFA World Cup qualifiers there twice, after intervention from leaders at Asian Football Confederation House.

But the Reds making a decision to play at the Oval is perhaps driven by an agenda.

United — the only tenant of Hindmarsh Stadium — has financials proving it made a loss when 12,426 saw Adelaide face Victory at the stadium in January.

The club was charged more than $70,000 by its landlord — Adelaide Venue Management Corporation.

It’s a sorry state of affairs given the stadium, which soccer once owned, was given back to the State Government by soccer’s gatekeepers. They made an incredible mistake a decade ago.

Football Federation SA has stayed publicly silent on the Hindmarsh issue perhaps hushed by government funding for synthetic pitches.

But soccer fans have sent out a clear message to United, FFSA and to politicians five months before a state election.

They have boycotted Adelaide Oval for good reason. The game has not been treated respectfully — at any level.

Why soccer fans are boycotting Adelaide Oval | Adelaide Now


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FFA must have convinced AFC to convince FIFA we #unique
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You already know why Adelaide Oval is unsuitable if you can solve this puzzle:



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As long as we play any games at ovals, we are telling state governments that they shouldn't even think about building suitable infrastructure. If Adelaide doesn't have a suitable rectangular ground, then they should not get major events.

If the NRL, ARU and FFA just flat out said get fucked to the idea of playing at ovals, state governments could not justifying spending billions on new oval grounds or even have good reason to call them "world class" like they love too.

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melbourne_terrace - 22 Oct 2017 7:18 AM
As long as we play any games at ovals, we are telling state governments that they shouldn't even think about building suitable infrastructure. If Adelaide doesn't have a suitable rectangular ground, then they should not get major events.

If the NRL, ARU and FFA just flat out said get fucked to the idea of playing at ovals, state governments could not justifying spending billions on new oval grounds or even have good reason to call them "world class" like they love too.

Wouldnt change the situation in WA/Victoria or probably even SA one iota.

WA and SA were both getting new ovals one way or another - both Subiaco and Football Park were slated for major works or a total rebuild, and Victoria has spent less on Oval stadiums than it did building Aami Park. Hell even Queensland has spent less on the Gabba and Carrara than it did on Robina, Townsville and Lang Park. More money is being spent on a new rectangle venue in Darwin than on the AFL stadium there.

As for New South wales, theres been enough upgrades to rectangular stadiums in the state to dwarf the money spent at Spotless, Blacktown and the SCG. And thats before the money being spent at Parra and other stadiums in the future,.


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melbourne_terrace - 22 Oct 2017 7:18 AM
As long as we play any games at ovals, we are telling state governments that they shouldn't even think about building suitable infrastructure. If Adelaide doesn't have a suitable rectangular ground, then they should not get major events.

If the NRL, ARU and FFA just flat out said get fucked to the idea of playing at ovals, state governments could not justifying spending billions on new oval grounds or even have good reason to call them "world class" like they love too.

This is only really an issue in VIC, SA, WA.

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paladisious - 22 Oct 2017 6:53 AM
You already know why Adelaide Oval is unsuitable if you can solve this puzzle:



I am stuck.  I can't get anything through the slot on the left side.

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The_Wookie - 22 Oct 2017 8:35 AM
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As for New South wales, theres been enough upgrades to rectangular stadiums in the state to dwarf the money spent at Spotless, Blacktown and the SCG. And thats before the money being spent at Parra and other stadiums in the future,.


$380m on AFL/Cricket venues in NSW in the last decade.
$205m on Football/League/Union venues in NSW since 2006.


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It was a bit of a shit experience.  Don't think i'd do it again (go to watch a football game at AO), but then it's pretty quiet around here with football.

I do agree with the spirit of this article though - lobbying some rectangular stadium infrastructure would be far better than putting up with that crap on Friday
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I happened to be in Adelaide when Australia played Saudi and went along. Have to say it was the worst viewing, worst atmosphere stadium I've watched football in.

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Lobbying for a new rectangular stadium in Adelaide without the crowds first is kinda pointless, you'd need a suicudal politician to back that one - "the crowds aren't coming but if we build it they might, trust me, I can't think of anything else to spend $200m on anyway".

A different scenario has Hindmarsh selling out regularly, membership capped, and games at AO cracking 30k every time. Then you have a case.

Right now the SA government (who are desperate to do anything that will create investment/jobs) are more likely to invest in a new golf course or a tennis centre or some other sport and see Sok-ha and their fans as just a bit too hard. They've still got Hindmarsh after all.
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Gyfox - 22 Oct 2017 11:26 AM
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$380m on AFL/Cricket venues in NSW in the last decade.
$205m on Football/League/Union venues in NSW since 2006.


AFL flogs like him are a cancer on this place, don't even bother 

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Waz - 22 Oct 2017 12:09 PM
Lobbying for a new rectangular stadium in Adelaide without the crowds first is kinda pointless, you'd need a suicudal politician to back that one - "the crowds aren't coming but if we build it they might, trust me, I can't think of anything else to spend $200m on anyway". A different scenario has Hindmarsh selling out regularly, membership capped, and games at AO cracking 30k every time. Then you have a case. Right now the SA government (who are desperate to do anything that will create investment/jobs) are more likely to invest in a new golf course or a tennis centre or some other sport and see Sok-ha and their fans as just a bit too hard. They've still got Hindmarsh after all.

Lack of crowds didn't seem to affect the NSW and QLD governments building stadiums for brand new Aussie Rules teams that no-one wanted. Sydney already had two suitable stadiums yet they built a third right next door to one of them.

Having at least one modern football stadium in the state is something reasonable to lobby/petition for.

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karta - 22 Oct 2017 4:04 PM
Waz - 22 Oct 2017 12:09 PM

Lack of crowds didn't seem to affect the NSW and QLD governments building stadiums for brand new Aussie Rules teams that no-one wanted. Sydney already had two suitable stadiums yet they built a third right next door to one of them.

Having at least one modern football stadium in the state is something reasonable to lobby/petition for.

Does the SA government have that kind of cash to waste though? I remember when Adelaide won the double and there was talk or suggestions about a new stadium being built in the city, what happened to that? If it didn't happen then I doubt it will happen any time soon or even at all. 



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MrBrisbane - 22 Oct 2017 4:11 PM
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Does the SA government have that kind of cash to waste though? I remember when Adelaide won the double and there was talk or suggestions about a new stadium being built in the city, what happened to that? If it didn't happen then I doubt it will happen any time soon or even at all. 

Even local AFL acolyte Graham Cornes wrote an opinion piece advocating for a new stadium after the Saudi Arabia game.

It all depends on how Adelaide sees itself as a city: as a provincial town where "she's good enough" will do, or a major city that hosts world standard events.
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karta - 22 Oct 2017 4:04 PM
Waz - 22 Oct 2017 12:09 PM

Lack of crowds didn't seem to affect the NSW and QLD governments building stadiums for brand new Aussie Rules teams that no-one wanted. Sydney already had two suitable stadiums yet they built a third right next door to one of them.

Having at least one modern football stadium in the state is something reasonable to lobby/petition for.

Yeah the whole "you need to regularly sell out home games before you get a new stadium" logic is bullocks and there are plenty of examples that debunk it.
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Yeah the whole "you need to regularly sell out home games before you get a new stadium" logic is bullocks and there are plenty of examples that debunk it.

Examples in the very same city. Adelaide Oval getting a 50k rebuild despite Football Park averaging 30k attendances (and cricket far worse)
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paladisious - 22 Oct 2017 5:15 PM
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Even local AFL acolyte Graham Cornes wrote an opinion piece advocating for a new stadium after the Saudi Arabia game.

It all depends on how Adelaide sees itself as a city: as a provincial town where "she's good enough" will do, or a major city that hosts world standard events.

Put the title in as it's sitting behind a pay wall
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Midfielder - 23 Oct 2017 12:51 AM
paladisious - 22 Oct 2017 5:15 PM

Put the title in as it's sitting behind a pay wall

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/graham-cornes/graham-cornes-time-for-adelaide-to-build-a-new-soccer-stadium/news-story/7b1133f867adadd8ac1c3265314ddb06




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Selling out olympic park every week helped get AAMI park built pretty quickly.  
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@ Karta

"Yeah the whole "you need to regularly sell out home games before you get a new stadium" logic is bullocks and there are plenty of examples that debunk it." ....

What examples? Stadiums are built for multiple codes not just one, so if you're the only code wanting one you'd better be making a bloody good case for it ...

AAMI Park - built for Union, League, football

Western Sydney - Union, Football, league (and it will become home to three league teams once it's built)

Suncorp - League, Union, Football,

Allianz - League, Union, Football,

NIB - Union, Football + occasional league.

The Gold Coast was built for League and Football on a dodgy business case but there it was part of a city infrastructure plan rather like the central coast stadium. (But the stadium that was part of Adelaide's infrastructure plan is already built, it's called Adelaide Oval.)

Townsville you might argue is an example - a stadium built just for league. But that is Townsville only stadium and only team, the locals backed it en-masse so politically it was a vote winner .... that's not the case in Adelaide

How does all that compare to Adelaide? Hindmarsh is perfectly functional, it rarely sells out, big games at AO rarely pull over 20k unless it's a GF, so if you're a politician are you going to stick your neck out and blow $200m on a stadium for one soccer team??? I don't think so.
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Midfielder - 23 Oct 2017 12:51 AM
paladisious - 22 Oct 2017 5:15 PM

Put the title in as it's sitting behind a pay wall

Graham Cornes: Time for Adelaide to build a new soccer stadium
Graham Cornes, The Advertiser
June 9, 2017 11:05am


GREG Griffin is right. The resolute chairman of Adelaide United, who is always up for a fight, has long been calling for Adelaide to have its own purpose built soccer stadium.

Thursday night gave him more ammunition. We love Adelaide Oval but as magnificent as the new development is, unless it’s full, it just isn’t right for soccer.

The Socceroos’ World Cup qualifier against Saudi Arabia was a vital, significant match against quality opposition, yet less than 30,000 people attended.

We can get a full house for a mickey-mouse exhibition match against Liverpool yet when the serious stuff is on and a couple of our home grown players are in the team, the soccer fans stay home.

They make a lot of noise but sometimes it’s out of all proportion to the popularity of the sport in this country.

Nevertheless it was an entertaining match with a happy ending for the Socceroos who are now well-placed to qualify for the World Cup tournament in Russia. And the goals were superb, particularly Australia’s third, a Tom Rogic thunderbolt.

The reality however is that the Oval is not a suitable venue in which to watch a soccer match.

You are too far from the action and when there are cavernous empty spaces in the stands, the match lacks any real atmosphere.

Besides, the surface is not good enough for the elite players. The Saudi goalkeeper discovered that the hard way when he slipped as the ground shifted beneath his feet and he gifted Tomi Juric Australia’s first goal.

FIFA is obviously not as pedantic as it once was about the preparation of the ground for these elite matches. Prior to the Olympic tournament in 2000 there were excruciating demands made of the venues for the preparation of and the quality of the surfaces. Iconic football grounds don’t always make for good soccer pitches.

We have a great soccer ground in Adelaide. Hindmarsh Stadium is a brilliant venue in which to play and watch soccer matches.

However, it has severe limitations by today’s standards. It’s not an all-weather stadium, it doesn’t have the capacity for these big games and it doesn’t have adequate corporate facilities. And while it is well served by major roads and transport services, it doesn’t have the convenience or the appeal of a venue in the CBD.

For all the hype around the new Adelaide Oval, the atmosphere at an Adelaide United home game rivals and often surpasses that of any footy match at Adelaide Oval. But Hindmarsh Stadium is old and it’s tired. Our state’s soccer fans deserve better.

State governments will argue that while they support the concept of the world game having its own purpose-built stadium, they simply can’t prioritise that over other essential services.

The mantra of “schools, hospitals and transport” is hard to argue against. However, political parties should also see the value and voter-appeal of the world game. “Bread and circuses” have been known to keep governments in power before today.

Could Hindmarsh Stadium be upgraded to an internationally accepted standard? It possibly could but there would still be limitations on access, parking and space.

It would be far better to spend the money on a new venue closer to the city and preferably one with a roof. The government would have some powerful supporters for such a project. Rob Gerard, given his passion for an Adelaide Commonwealth Games, would surely be an enthusiastic advocate.

Soccer would not be the only beneficiary of a new venue. The Sydney Roosters and Melbourne Storm rugby league teams will play in Adelaide on 24th June at Adelaide Oval.

As with soccer, rugby league (and union) is a much harder game to watch on an Aussie rules ground than it is on a rectangular pitch.

There are many who say that building a new soccer stadium will never happen. But there are many, including this writer, who said that AFL football would never again be played at Adelaide Oval.


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Waz - 23 Oct 2017 8:38 AM
@ Karta

"Yeah the whole "you need to regularly sell out home games before you get a new stadium" logic is bullocks and there are plenty of examples that debunk it." ....

What examples? Stadiums are built for multiple codes not just one, so if you're the only code wanting one you'd better be making a bloody good case for it ...

AAMI Park - built for Union, League, football

Western Sydney - Union, Football, league (and it will become home to three league teams once it's built)

Suncorp - League, Union, Football,

Allianz - League, Union, Football,

NIB - Union, Football + occasional league.

The Gold Coast was built for League and Football on a dodgy business case but there it was part of a city infrastructure plan rather like the central coast stadium. (But the stadium that was part of Adelaide's infrastructure plan is already built, it's called Adelaide Oval.)

Townsville you might argue is an example - a stadium built just for league. But that is Townsville only stadium and only team, the locals backed it en-masse so politically it was a vote winner .... that's not the case in Adelaide

How does all that compare to Adelaide? Hindmarsh is perfectly functional, it rarely sells out, big games at AO rarely pull over 20k unless it's a GF, so if you're a politician are you going to stick your neck out and blow $200m on a stadium for one soccer team??? I don't think so.

Bit early in the morning? :)
1) You're quoting the wrong person.
2) You're ignoring the two prime examples I did make (Suns, Giants) but you've added a couple more excellent examples (Titans, Cowboys).

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The best chance of getting new stadiums built in Adelaide (and brisbane) is to link it to the Women's WC bid.
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@ Karta

Sorry - misread the original reply thread 👍

However, the Suns stadium was built for the Gold Coast Comm games and the Giants with cricket in mind.

The AFL offer something different as well - a cashed up code, politically savvy, well connected and the promise of being part of the biggest league in Australia. How does that compare to Adelaide?
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melbourne_terrace - 22 Oct 2017 7:18 AM
As long as we play any games at ovals, we are telling state governments that they shouldn't even think about building suitable infrastructure. If Adelaide doesn't have a suitable rectangular ground, then they should not get major events.

that's a pretty good point. If Adelaide consider playing elsewhere to scare hindmarsh stadium management into giving them a better stadium deal, can they at least look somewhere more appropriate than AO? Of course a rectangular stadium should be the priority, but if you don't have the infrastructure in your city, at least have it somewhere where fans can see the game. weren't they looking at some SANFL ground recently? 
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AFL increased crowds by getting big stadiums built and funded.

They were not selling out every week when they got government help, but the help has now attracted to getting in patrons. One could hope the same would happen with Football. If a good stadium was built people would want to go, ffs people would buy tickets to a geriatric jerking himself at the MCG if it was marketed right.
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tsf - 23 Oct 2017 6:04 PM
AFL increased crowds by getting big stadiums built and funded. They were not selling out every week when they got government help, but the help has now attracted to getting in patrons. One could hope the same would happen with Football. If a good stadium was built people would want to go, ffs people would buy tickets to a geriatric jerking himself at the MCG if it was marketed right.

Why don't the soccer federation buy the ex AFL stadium @ westlakes and develope it to exactly what they require??
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Wiljoy - 24 Oct 2017 10:36 AM
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Why don't the soccer federation buy the ex AFL stadium @ westlakes and develope it to exactly what they require??

Because they can barely afford to keep the lights on, let alone buy and develop a stadium.
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Wiljoy - 24 Oct 2017 10:36 AM
tsf - 23 Oct 2017 6:04 PM

Why don't the soccer federation buy the ex AFL stadium @ westlakes and develope it to exactly what they require??

I don't think demolition has started yet, but the developers own it and will eventually. Adelaide Crows still have their training facilities there and a lease on the oval itself until 2048, however.

Pity, if we had the 2022 World Cup coming up we might have swung having the oval dug down into a rectangle.
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