Ok take out the FFA - this needs to be self funding - the clubs face costs of $1M each - where will this come from ?

I hope so. I know myself and SelectFew have been sending Tom and AAFC info about streaming since about April. Facebook is the best service imo anf most people have. 

At the moment Fox Football (Australia) has 1.7 million likes, SBS The World Game 610 000. 
This has even come up

SBS show interest in broadcasting national second tier to sit below A-League

 

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The AAFC have stated quite clearly that they don't want/need $1 from the FFA - with clubs facing costs of well over $1m per season...  Where does it come from?  I'd assume that as the clubs have been working on this plan for months they will have looked into financing.   There's plenty of rich football fans around Australia who can't support an A-League franchise, but could support a Championship model.  There's also plenty of money that the FFA has chased off over the years (failed bids in Canberra, Melbourne and Sydney where the FFA went with their preferred bidders and never even told the losing bids that the race was over) - those investors may like the idea of getting into a football environment that is independent of the FFA.

FFA has been out-manoeuvred, and will start negotiating with the AAFC soon.  FFV have already taken away their majority because they didn't back the 2nd division on Friday (I said this would happen on Friday for anyone who wants to go back and check).

With regard to financing...  The clubs spent a long time coming up with this plan, and they came up with the numbers (higher than yours too).  One must assume they wouldn't have presented an option they didn't believe they could afford.  If they needed a cheaper option, they would have suggested one.

SBS have already indicated that they will broadcast the games.  They don't need to pay - just having the games on FTA will enable the clubs to raise more money through sponsorship and advertising at venues, etc.

Can't play at the same time as A-League - which leaves Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday evenings.  A mid-week league...  Alternatively, so long as the games are in different states there's nothing to stop games kicking off at the same time as A-League games.  Leagues around the world manage to play numerous games at the same time.  Perhaps not show all Championship games live - SBS could package a Saturday night highlights show together - show the goals form all of the games being played that day.

Not sure why you continue to believe that there will never be promotion/relegation.  If you look where we were 15 years ago, then 10 years ago, the strides that can be taken in a 5 years are amazing.  If they get the Championship up and running, and it works, who's to say we won't have a 'real' league going in less than a decade..?

Your moronic attitude says to me your know absolutely zero about the inside of football clubs or football in general if you don't know that top flight state league clubs are spending that much already.  The amount of money that is being bandied about in state league competitions currently is quite significant & the 2.5 million isn't really that far out from what they are currently spending at the moment.  As in football all over the world well run clubs will thrive and I can't speak for other states but here in NSW top NPL clubs won't find all of this too much of a stretch. 

The FFA's inability to engage with any stakeholders in the game in any significant way is absolutely disgusting & their dismissal of this means that they don't want anyone giving them any ideas about anything that hasn't come from their bloated non football administrator brains.  This is all about power and control & therefore money and is a prime example of when you apply pure corporatisation to the nth degree in football.  NOTHING get's done unless it can make the governing body money in some way.  

Good one, He won't respond now.

How on earth can costs be the same when these new second division clubs would need to pay for at least 20 odd staff to fly all over the country and back on a weekly basis? A bit different to play a cross town rival. 

Costs aren't the same - they are increased - but earning potential from sponsors is also increased due to national identity rather than local.  Also, one can legitimately 'invest' in a national league like The Championship whilst the NPL rules pretty much mean that any 'investment' in state league football is money down the drain.

As my kids play at Heidelberg United I can tell you this:
They are going through a redevelopment of their grounds of well over $10Mill.
They have partnered with a Japanese Football Academy owned by Keisuke Honda and his family.
Honda is investing $100K per season for the next 5 seasons in HUFC a total of $500K all designated to facility development.
Along with the Honda family they have other significant investors ready to partner up.

They are ready and they want a ticket on the 2nd Division Train.

Just another example of the level of interest a 2nd Division linked to the Grassroots pyramid is generating.

A TV network has already expressed interest with a sum that would cover these costs.

I don't understand why all the media suggest the FFA aren't supporting the proposed second division. Their response was measured, especially given they probably have no details and hadn't had any discussions with the AAFC.

What response did you honestly expect from them?? Anything other than their response would be very irresponsible for a national sporting governance body to make. Why are the media trying to "beat" this up so much against the FFA??

As can be seen on this forum there are many opinions for and against the proposal, I'd say the FFA's response was far more positive than most posts on this forum.

Ha ha nice little revenge tackle by SBS I assume?

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This thread sinks of SELF INTEREST
All the exNSL bitters have gathered
Good luck with this - more chance of winning lotto or snowing in Sydney
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I'm not opposed to that at all - if we can create a competitive media rights market, then it will only benefit the game as a whole.

‘A TV network has already expressed interest that will cover flights’
What farreken BS

The NBL has to pay to have their coverage on air

The 2nd div will be the same

It's not as though the 2nd Div needs to be set up to break the bank from the start.

It can start small and semi-professional and take it from there.

If clubs have the same cost basis as current, with say 2-3 name players per club, paying them say $100K ea then the extra costs for a national 2nd Div would only be an extra $250-350K for say a NSW based club and say $350-450K for west coast based club for a 7 team comp.

That's about $2.5M all up.  Comp needs some telecast and sponsors and that's chicken feed.

Get that up and running and then get more sponsors on board and expand the rights and the comp can expand, much like the A-League.

Going the full 14 team comp from day 1 needs the dosh from day 1.  Can't see that happening.

If the FFA want to throw in a lazy $2.5M then the comp could get up and running.  

Sell the rights back to the SBS.  Back to the good 'ol days. With football on a Sunday afternoon on FTA.

This will have to be played in the winter
The NRL and AFL will ensure there is no interest in this what so ever

Wondered how long it would take you to revert to the ex-NSL bitters line.  We just had to wait for your 'logical' arguments to run out.

Not sure I follow your logic - there are three networks (10, SBS and Fox) who have definite interests in football, all want more product.  Fox was happy to pay more just for an extra couple of teams in the A-League providing a single extra game each week...  SBS have come out publicly already to say they want to televise the games - but nooooooo, Rob knows better - because the NBL (does anyone care about NBL) have to pay, then we will have to pay because...  Well, because Rob says so.

Again, all parties are onboard with this being played at the same time as the A-League, away from NRL/AFL, but you know better...  You're a marvel.

The world is full of ..'.can do ' and ' can't do ' people.That's just a fact of life.Unfortunately FFA is full of ,'can't do ' people,when the job calls for the opposite.
The same applies to these forums.But is more understandable from people who have never run a business.Evenso, I continue to be amazed at people who say a second division can't be done.Of course it can be done.The issue is just how its done.
The PFA's and FFA's negative comments point to either a lack of business gonads or ulterior motives.Which in the case of FFA is a combination of both.

Fair play to the AAFC, good on them. I’ll be supporting them all the way

If it’s in the summer it will not be allowed to compete with the A-League so it’s 11am, 1pm and 3pm kick offs
Good luck with this
SELF INTEREST

Reading this proposal through is fucking jizz worthy. It's a great piece of work and something the FFA should be embarrassed by, that they do not have the foresight to come up with. 
Only problem I see with this is the major difference between PFA and AAFC funding models. PFA may be the ones to kill this off.

Why can't it kick off at the same time?

Looks like Gallop is a believer, he must be a NSL bitter as well......

FFA chief David Gallop offers olive branch over proposal for national second tier

 

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Just days after pouring cold water on proposals to establish a national second tier in Australia, Football Federation Australia chief David Gallop has performed an astonishing U-turn and offered leaders of the Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) an olive branch.Gallop is now prepared to enter talks over an initiative which, if implemented, could change the game here and have wide-ranging impacts on player development, club finances, mainstream media coverage and broadcast rights.

.As the FFA board reels under pressure to call off its emergency general meeting scheduled for Wednesday following the rebuff to embattled chairman Steven Lowy by Victorian officials on Monday night, the power struggle over a number of issues is coming to a head.With FIFA looking on and ready to intervene, the AAFC is cranking up the pressure for the game to be broadened by creating a national second division – called the Championship – with promotion and relegation brought in within 10 years.

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It released its model last Friday, but Gallop had played down the proposal.However, as the heat is turned up on the FFA board to resolve the mounting tension the leadership is facing from several factions, Gallop has now written to the AAFC and told them he is happy to enter talks on the development of a second tier.AdvertisementHe has told the organisation that a second-tier competition is "a wonderful objective for the game and its stakeholders. It has been the subject of significant work within our office and will form an important part of our discussions on a new operating model for the A League.".

Gallop has invited the AAFC leaders, headed by chairman Rabieh Krayem, to Sydney to begin initial discussions."We are keen to commence a dialogue but it will inevitably require each of us to listen and challenge each other's ideas. As a next step this would include your financial modelling and other supporting documentation," Gallop told the organisation in a letter.Gallop is, however, concerned that a second tier could be a drain on the finances of A-League clubs, increasing their current average losing margin of $1 million-$1.5m a season to $2m."The competition as proposed by you will, at the very least, require FFA's sanctioning and it is not clear to us yet how it would be 'self-funding'," Gallop has told the AAFC."If it were to require funding from FFA or indeed our member federations and the prospective second tier clubs (without a matching lift in revenue) it would naturally put more pressure on the other areas of the game. "For A-League clubs it is possible that it could mean a dilution of their current funding grants from FFA increasing the reliance on their owners' investment due to the increase in their annual losses (the average loss for the current A-League clubs is $1m -1.5m)."A-League clubs, while aware of the financial ramifications are in general supportive of the move to create a second division."Promotion and relegation by 2024 would have enormous ramifications for the current A-League owners and the state competitions. There are a range of contractual and other arrangements to be considered."There is a school of thought which suggests that Gallop's speedy back flip, detailed in a letter dated October 30, has more to do  with trying to win the support of Football Federation Victoria so that it backed Lowy in the battle over the revamped Congress than a real desire to expedite the process of a second division.The Victorian board, headed by former Socceroo and founder of the players' union, Kimon Taliadoros, had made the issue an important one when it presented demands to the FFA board earlier this year as it sought to broker a compromise in the row over who ultimately controls the game.It is understood that the board decided on Monday night by a clear majority not to back the Lowy proposals for a change in the FFA's Congress model, believing the extension of the franchise offered – which has been demanded by FIFA – did not go far enough.That was widely regarded as a body blow to Lowy's plans as the two biggest state federations – NSW and Victoria – along with the A-League clubs and the players' union, do not support his vision.

So Apia, Adel City, Heildberg All folded in the NSL are now entering this BS Comp
It’s going to destroy these clubs
Every club in the NPL are drawing crowds in the low 100s — how will this work again ????

The document says it won't plus FIFA's Standard Statutes say that they aren't allowed to compete with FFA competitions.