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Dog hasn't got his glasses on. Still do a better job than whoever is up there!
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Mariners coach Paul Okon says VAR is turning A-League fans off footballCentral Coast Mariners coach Paul Okon says fans are being turned off football by the Video Assistant Referee and has urged Football Federation Australia to scrap the use of the controversial system after two farcical incidents overshadowed yet another A-League match. Two players were sent off in the Mariners' 2-0 loss to Western Sydney Wanderers on Saturday after intervention from the VAR, with accusations it is being used to re-referee games in breach of its protocol. Wout Brama and Jake McGing had yellow cards upgraded to red cards after the VAR suggested referee Alex King was too lenient with his officiating. ![Not happy: Paul Okon speaks with the fourth official to get some clarity around the decisions.]() Not happy: Paul Okon speaks with the fourth official to get some clarity around the decisions. Photo: AAPThe VAR is only meant to step in on rare occasions to address clear and obvious errors, not provide constant support to guide referees in the centre of the match. In the case of Brama, his tackle from behind on Bonevacia was perhaps deserving of a straight red but it is arguable whether it was clear enough to justify the upgrade from the referee's initial interpretation. However, the dismissal of McGing was shrouded in controversy after his tackle on Kearyn Baccus seemed to be harshly met with a caution, before the VAR somehow found grounds for a dismissal.
Fans were furious with the decision, hundreds stormed off in protest despite 13 minutes left on the clock as the contest was killed off due to the intervention of the VAR. ![Ultimate sanction: Another red card is brandished against the Mariners.]() Ultimate sanction: Another red card is brandished against the Mariners. Photo: AAP"If you came to this game tonight and you left here no longer in love with football, who could blame you?" Okon said. "I think it's probably what everyone is talking about and that's not the reason why people are turning up watching, it's not why we turn up to play and coach." Okon was bemused with the two decisions, which fell into a grey area of officiating yet were dealt with so severely after intervention from the VAR. "I just don't understand it. If both challenges were violent I think we would have seen protests from the Wanderers players or the Wanderers bench … there was no reaction. The reaction came from the gentlemen sitting upstairs," Okon said. Central Coast Mariners will appeal the dismissal of McGing during the week, hoping to free him from an automatic one-match ban. "I think it's within our rights to do that so hopefully people who hold the power will bring it to justice I guess," Okon said.
Mariners coach Paul Okon says VAR is turning A-League fans off football
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"If you came to this game tonight and you left here no longer in love with football, who could blame you?" Okon said. "I think it's probably what everyone is talking about and that's not the reason why people are turning up watching, it's not why we turn up to play and coach." 
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Paul okon said "i don't know" if the VAR should say. what a soft cock.
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Gruen
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As an Adelaide fan I support the Mariners next opponent but if McGing's red card is not overturned I hope the Mariners refuse to play and I hope Adelaide refuse to play as well.
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Angus
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It is the inconsistency that really bugs me. And I am annoyed that the press this morning seems to be only reporting on the two tackles by the CCM players rather than comparing them to the Llorente
How can McGing's slide in front of the player be upgraded to a red when Llorente's straight studs-up slide directly at the player on the other side of the park doesn't even warrant a yellow?
Why does Brama's scrape down the calf during a tackle warrant a red when Bobo's off the ball scrape down the shin, straight out violent conduct, gets a "grey area"?
How can you sit and watch the AU handball with the handball rules open next to you and clearly not see that it almost exactly matches all the criteria listed when they describe what is not considered handball? It was obviously not deliberate, it was obviously unexpected, the movement of the arm was away from the ball, and he didn't hit it with his shin pad.
Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
The VAR was supposed to fix these problems, not make more.
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Waz
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@ Angus
That’s a good post and sums up the frustration a growing number of fans are feeling over this. Bozza and Ned Zelic seem to love the VAR and actively criticise its opponents but they’re so out of touch now and misjudging the mood badly. We need more players, coaches, clubs, and media celebrities to speak against it ... the ffa are doing their usual thing and wasting money on consultants who will no doubt compare us to NRL and tell the ffa to “tough it out” and not listen to fans, after all - remember there’s sponsorship dollars in this #Dollars$$$
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Are FIFA doing a full review across all the leagues where it exists? Remember waz this is not solely an FFA thing.
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Gruen
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+x@ Angus That’s a good post and sums up the frustration a growing number of fans are feeling over this. Bozza and Ned Zelic seem to love the VAR and actively criticise its opponents but they’re so out of touch now and misjudging the mood badly. We need more players, coaches, clubs, and media celebrities to speak against it ... the ffa are doing their usual thing and wasting money on consultants who will no doubt compare us to NRL and tell the ffa to “tough it out” and not listen to fans, after all - remember there’s sponsorship dollars in this #Dollars$$$ Bozza was criticising VAR to a certain extent last night, he certainly did not agree with the hand ball or McGing tackle being overturned and thought they were VAR errors, although he did agree with the Brama upgrade. I support the idea of reviewing decisions and eliminating errors, but in practice, in the A-league, it is an abomination which should be stopped immediately. It is getting worse not better and it is ruining the A-league. Games are now all about the VAR not the game. Bozza is right that before the VAR there were games marred by the refereeing but I still think the VAR has made it worse not better.
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The only good thing about this abortion is that due to the expense this will never be introduced at amateur and semi pro level.
Member since 2008.
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+x@ Angus That’s a good post and sums up the frustration a growing number of fans are feeling over this. Bozza and Ned Zelic seem to love the VAR and actively criticise its opponents but they’re so out of touch now and misjudging the mood badly. We need more players, coaches, clubs, and media celebrities to speak against it ... the ffa are doing their usual thing and wasting money on consultants who will no doubt compare us to NRL and tell the ffa to “tough it out” and not listen to fans, after all - remember there’s sponsorship dollars in this #Dollars$$$ It's already sponsored by McDonalds, so it's not going away anytime soon. I am sure McDonalds will be thrilled their brand is associated with something so negative.
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Gruen
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+xIt is the inconsistency that really bugs me. And I am annoyed that the press this morning seems to be only reporting on the two tackles by the CCM players rather than comparing them to the Llorente How can McGing's slide in front of the player be upgraded to a red when Llorente's straight studs-up slide directly at the player on the other side of the park doesn't even warrant a yellow? Why does Brama's scrape down the calf during a tackle warrant a red when Bobo's off the ball scrape down the shin, straight out violent conduct, gets a "grey area"? How can you sit and watch the AU handball with the handball rules open next to you and clearly not see that it almost exactly matches all the criteria listed when they describe what is not considered handball? It was obviously not deliberate, it was obviously unexpected, the movement of the arm was away from the ball, and he didn't hit it with his shin pad. Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered: • the movement of the hand towards the ball ( not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball ( unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement The VAR was supposed to fix these problems, not make more. Kurz said in his press conference the referees explained to him that Strain moved his arm away from his body to intercept the ball. The referee after the review up held the penalty clearly indicated that the ball hit the arm well away from the body. That would be a hand ball and penalty but IT DID NOT HAPPEN. You are completely right, it was an unexpected ball, the hand/arm moved away from the ball a tiny bit, the arm was as much as possible behind him and it is impossible to get the very upper arm/ shouldler behind the body in that situation. Lastly I don't think the contact had a negative impact on the Jets ability to play the ball, it might have actually helped them because it blocked a clearance although the ball did end up with another Reds player.
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Waz
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@ RBB
I doubt the FFA would drop out of the trial having fought like a lap-poodle to be the worlds first.
However it is only a trial and FIFA are unlikely to make it mandatory for competitions to use it because of the cost associated with it and not all leagues in the world televise all games.
So it’s likely to be optional for the HAL. Now the ffa won’t listen but maybe, maybe if we make enough noise?
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I think its absolutely fantastic that the VAR is failing so abysmally. We NEED it to ruin games each week or after we will get stuck with this abomination next season too.
(VAR) IS NAVY BLUE
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Angus
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+x+x@ Angus That’s a good post and sums up the frustration a growing number of fans are feeling over this. Bozza and Ned Zelic seem to love the VAR and actively criticise its opponents but they’re so out of touch now and misjudging the mood badly. We need more players, coaches, clubs, and media celebrities to speak against it ... the ffa are doing their usual thing and wasting money on consultants who will no doubt compare us to NRL and tell the ffa to “tough it out” and not listen to fans, after all - remember there’s sponsorship dollars in this #Dollars$$$ It's already sponsored by McDonalds, so it's not going away anytime soon. I am sure McDonalds will be thrilled their brand is associated with something so negative. May be a suitable course of action would be to protest to Maccas? Send copies of all correspondence straight to McDonalds headquarters.
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If you to the ifab twitter account, it's all about VAR, this rubbish is here forever, I for one will stop watching matches all together and will only check on Celtic and Melbourne victory scores, I can not watch football anymore if Var is in use. Because it has fundamentally changed the whole sport from the one I love.
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Mr B
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+xIf you to the ifab twitter account, it's all about VAR, this rubbish is here forever, I for one will stop watching matches all together and will only check on Celtic and Melbourne victory scores, I can not watch football anymore if Var is in use. Because it has fundamentally changed the whole sport from the one I love. If it is here to stay forever which I really hope is not true then I am done as well, I would accept it if it was only used for goal line technology, everything else should be up to the ref on the field. Id say 90% of Brisbanes games I have just got updates from twitter this season, VAR being one of the issues for that but several other factors as well like the league being stale, FFA circus and Roar circus.
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Could somebody explain how Brama's challenge went from a yellow that the ref gave to a red card based on a TV screen? Does FIFA allow the referee this to happen?
McGing's challenge was never a red, that was a shocker.
What a shame VAR has taken the gloss over the football aspects this weekend.
Sums up where the A-league is at, very hard to continue to support it.
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In Okon's presser he said if McGling was a red then we would have players sent off every few minutes ... he also said that force and intend have always been considered ... and neither tackle was driving forceful.
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So on Friday grey area means nothing according to VAR and Strebovski, the next day it means upgrading to a red?
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there's no-one up there, VAR is an Artificail ntelligence like HAL,
Okon - "overturn the red VAR"
VAR - "sorry I can't do that Paul"
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+xIn Okon's presser he said if McGling was a red then we would have players sent off every few minutes ... he also said that force and intend have always been considered ... and neither tackle was driving forceful. There are three criteria for serious foul play 1. Endangers the safety of an opponent. Every tackle does this to a certain extent so this must mean to quite a significant extent and I don't think Brama's tackle meets this criteria. Bozza disagreed saying these kind of tackles can do serious damage but I don't think one was a particularly bad example of a boot to calf. For a much worse example, which somehow only got a yellow, look at the tackle the victim in the case, Bonevacia, laid on Isaias during the FFA Cup semi-final. That was clearly a red and was not given and could not be reviewed due to no VAR in the FFA Cup. 2. Excessive force Brama's tackle did not seem to have excessive force, there was some force but nothing like we see in some tackles where the player fly's in wildly. 3. Brutality I feel raking studs down the leg is clear brutality when the action is deliberate, as in the Bobo case when he clearly did it to hurt Muscat. Does it apply in the case of Brama? I am not sure but I think there is at least an argument that it does so giving a red card is not a huge error. However I also don't think giving a yellow is a clear error which should be overturned by the VAR.
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+xIf you to the ifab twitter account, it's all about VAR, this rubbish is here forever, I for one will stop watching matches all together and will only check on Celtic and Melbourne victory scores, I can not watch football anymore if Var is in use. Because it has fundamentally changed the whole sport from the one I love. Yep. Im done with football if this becomes the new norm
(VAR) IS NAVY BLUE
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