plz no van marwijk

Not a fan of his style personally but BVM makes the most sense for me out of the overseas names mentioned. It's only 6 months from world cup til Asian Cup and whoever is appointed must be willing to sign on to manage both (I doubt Van Gaal would stay for the Asian Cup). He also has at least a good knowledge of the socceroos having managed in Asia which puts him ahead of many overseas candidates touted. 

Why restrict the Russia Coach to only those prepared to commit to a long project ?

What's wrong with a 'Guus' til June and then a 'project manager' for the Asian Cup and Qatar tilt ?

A 'Guus' type would come with one of the biggest price tags at the tournament. Can we really currently justify the outlay for potentially 3 games? Would mean the next manager has 6 months to potentially implement an entire new strategy and potentially squad for a major tournament. When you take 3 months to make a decision I think it should come with the expectation that you're capable of finding a long term candidate.

For me, its about consistency so that we could have a decent and respectable performance at the World Cup, the team would by then have been battled hardened and used to the style of the new manager, who will bring them to defend the Asian Cup 6 months later.  
Hiddink left after the World Cup and Arnold couldn't put the pieces together in the 07 Asian Cup
Ange stayed on after the World Cup and we won it in 2015.

A few of us (Including SBS) would prefer Marcelo Bielsa, but that dream seems out of reach and his lack of English/need for a translator a possible drawback, aswell as his Salary valuation.

Hopefully Ralf Rangnick still in the mix, he'd be the next best candidate. He'd be an unknown at International level, but flip-side a wonderful opportunity for he and us to venture new ground, continue the path forged by Ange and establish a new era and for Rangnick to prove his genius on the International stage. He's a well proven commodity at club level too and his methods match the Socceroos and Australia's situation and demands well too. Budget wise, he may even be relatively good value!

BVM isnt my first choice but at the end of the day, he is a proven tournament manager which is exactly what aus needs atm. Whilst style wise arnold would be a similar/better choice his only international tournament experience is not great.

BVM has a proven track record at this level and is a very good stop gap for the world cup. 

None of the other candidates mentioned (bar Ragnick and Bielsa) will continue Ange's style anyway, so BVM is a good tournament appointment.

If Arnold is to get the job post world cup, he will need 6 months to change things, and the Asian Cup is a good way for us to test how he goes at a tournament before the next world cup. He will also get some breathing space from Ange's style too. So it may be easier for him to adapt the team to how he wants them to play

Guus with Popovic, Kewell and Bresciano as his assistants.. get some ex golden gen socceroos in there ffs.

"It is a long list that includes Marcelo Bielsa, Arnold, Luiz Felipe Scolari, Tony Popovic, Sven-Goran Eriksson, Jurgen Klinsmann, Louis van Gaal, Roberto Mancini, Ralf Rangnick, Gianni De Biasi, Christoph Daum, Slaven Bilic and Harry Redknapp."

Half the guys in that list have rejected multi-million dollar contracts in China... why would they come to Australia in the long term?

Everyone talks about how BVM is a proven tournament coach because he got a talented Dutch team to the final playing a revolting thug style, but no one mentions Euro 2012, when the same talented Dutch team got knocked out in the group stage without winning a game under him. He's not a good option. He's just cheap, which is why FFA like him so much.

Imo, Rangnick is the best short-term option of all, including Bielsa. I think the way he likes his teams to play really suits the Socceroos. There's plenty of clubs in Europe that have chased his services so his wage demands might be an issue. On the other hand, the chance to coach at a World Cup would be appealing, especially for someone who has never done so before, so he might moderate his asking price in order to take the opportunity while it's there. And he's not coaching atm - currently director of sports at Leipzig - so holding both jobs could be less of an issue than for candidates managing clubs. Hopefully, David Zdrilic can help persuade him.

Question:

How many people would prefer us, in a one off tournament at senior level, to play an elusive "style" of pretty sideways football and get 0 points "to be proud of" or to have us play a "physical" game and get 3-4 points?

Not that I think either option directly means those outcomes. Purely hypothetically I mean...

It's a completely nonsensical question. 

Brilliant.  A committee of captains.  Cheers Foz.

It's really not.

Even though the answer seems obvious to me, a lot of people seem to think an honourable loss is better than an ugly point.

With the short prep time before the WC itll be tough task, unless we fluke a guus type coach who can pull the collective together. So, with that in mind I'm hoping we get a coach who'll work with us through the asian cup and even beyond.
BVM isnt my first choice but maybe we need to mate some of anges ideal possesion football with some mongrel

Good point about the Euro Champs in 2012 with BVM coaching Holland to an early exit.

However, BVM took  Holland (not a particularly  talented team by Dutch standards) to second in a recent WC. BVM's 2010 Dutch team relied on Van Bommel and De Jong hacking other teams to pieces.

Moreover, BVM recently qualified Saudi Arabia marginally in front of  the Socceroos in the Russian WCQ campaign in our group.

BVM knows a bit about us, he has formulated game plans against us.

Second in a World Cup is not average. BVM achieved this in 2010. This is the best result for 36 years by a Dutch coach.

Hiddink has never achieved this level of success in international football. 

Guus has had recent failures with Russia, Turkey and Holland.

I don't know why you're saying Hiddink while quoting my post. I never mentioned him at all. But staying on the Dutch thing,  if it's Van Marwijk vs Van Gaal,  I'd much prefer the latter. He (more recently) took an average team by Dutch standards to third place and beat Spain 5-1. Plus he has actually won things that matter in club competitions and his last job was Manchester United. Are we seriously saying BVM is the better option?

He came 4th with South Korea! Along with a 4th for Russia at the euros. And Australia to the 2nd round! I'd argue that's a far greater achievement than taking a dutch team to 2nd containing a peak form Sneijder, Van Persie, Van Der Vaart, Heitinga, Hunterlaar , Mathijsen, De jong, Kuyt, Van Bommel and Robben!!!

 

Van Marwijk is a good tournament coach, less so in a home/away season. Has won the KVNB cup & Uefa Cup with Feyenoord and took Netherlands to a WC final in 2010. 

Would be a good fit for the socceroos given the short time-frame. Not sure if its the right choice as a long term replacement though. 

In recent times BVM has a better international record than Guus.

Methodology and tactics are forever changing in football. BVM had Saudi A better organised against us than ever before.

 It is axiomatic within FFA Technical Dept that  many Asian teams are technically better than us ATM. It is also an axiom that if they catch up to us tactically, they will blow us away. In recent times the Asian teams have imported superior tactical coaching expertise. This has been reflected in their improved performances against us.

I thought Guus failed to qualify Russia for a WC?

4th in a Euro Champ is a very good result for Russia. Notwithstanding, Guus was a contributor for the current Dutch team failing to qualify for a WC. He also failed with Turkey, if my memory serves me correctly.

Axiomatic!!

Nice one, D.

Anyone know who is on the short list?

mancini turned down 15million pounds a season at West Ham haha

difference being Mancini can take the australian job, earn the cash then move on to PSG, Italy or wherever he eventually ends up after this season straight after. He's made it pretty clear he'll be leaving Russia.

what is the point of BVM?  may as well let anyone do it.  why waste the experience on a foreigner who isnt going to offer something special to the job?

if not bielsa or rangnick i want this guy

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11686/11217397/marco-silva-sacked-by-watford-this-gifted-coach-is-his-own-worst-enemy

I hear the Den are putting Aloisi's CV in the mail tomorrow.