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+x+xBut the trend is becoming concerning. Yes indeed  I change it so that the order is club points. To update this Aus got 1 point from MV draw and Thai 1 point for their draw. As you will notice we are .450 points ahead of Thailand for the last 4 years of ACL. We have a bonus gap of 6.5 points atm because up til 2021 FIFA world rankings are involved. 2015 CCM didnt make it, 2016 AU didnt make it, 2018 BR didnt make it. Now we are below MV didnt get any points yesterday, SFC play today and so do Buriram.  A-League teams in ACL exposes alarming trend that could hurt Australia: Simon HillSimon Hill | FOX SPORTS THERE’S a bit of a pattern developing around Australian clubs annual tilt at the Asian Champions League. There’s due respect given to qualifying for the regions flagship competition, followed by mild hype when the draw comes out. Normally, that’s replaced by apathy when the actual games kick in – followed by collective hand-wringing if, as has been the case more often than not of late, A-League clubs struggle to get results. But are we sleep walking into a more significant problem? Do we need to put renewed focus on our relationship with Asia? Watch Shanghai Shenhua v Sydney FC in the Asian Champions League LIVE on FOX SPORTS 501 from 10.30pm AEDT, or live stream by following the link below LIVE stream the 2018 AFC Champions League on FOX SPORTS. Get your free 2-week Foxtel Now trial & start watching in minutes. SIGN UP NOW > Australia and AFC have always been rather uncomfortable bedfellows. Some in West Asia in particular, fought our admittance pretty hard in the first place, and such attitudes have barely softened since. Australia’s regular qualification for World Cups has irked some Gulf nations especially, and there is a general feeling (fairly or unfairly) that the nations relationship with Asia is based mainly on take, and not much give. Politically, FFA’s decision to turn against AFC President Sheikh Salman’s candidacy in the FIFA Presidential election of 2015 wasn’t especially well received. The current impasse over the congress isn’t exactly a good look either. Australian performances in the Champions League have waxed and waned down the years, but the introduction of a new system in 2021 could spell trouble.  Melbourne Victory have one point from their opening two ACL games.Picture: AFP Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold during his side’s loss to Suwon Bluewings.Picture: Getty ImagesUnder a new ranking system, results at club level will no longer be mixed with that of the national team to find a member association’s coefficient – the basis upon which Champions League slots are awarded. As things stand in East Asia, if Australian entries were based upon current club performances in the last four years only, then we’ve slipped behind Thailand in the crucial fourth place, with China, South Korea and Japan occupying the top three spots. There would automatically follow a reduction in Champions League slots to one, plus two in the play-offs. Is this too alarmist? After all, there’s still three years to go before the new system kicks in. But recent Champions League results don’t make for pleasant reading.  AFC's co-efficient based on Champions League performances.Picture: SuppliedSince Western Sydney Wanderers won the title in 2014, Australian teams have played 54 matches in the competition, winning just 15, drawing 14 and losing 25. Of those 15 wins, only four have come in the last 22 outings, and during that period, A-League teams have conceded a whopping 63 goals – an average of almost three per game. From the 12 Australian teams that have competed in the ACL since the Wanderers’ famous win, only Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory have made it out of the group stage (both in 2016) – although there is still time for the same two clubs to qualify in 2018. Neither went further than the Round of 16. By contrast, our big regional rivals, China, Japan and South Korea, have each had seven qualifications from the group phase – and clubs from those nations have won each of the last three Champions League titles (Guangzhou Evergrande in 2015, Jeonbuk Motors in 2016 and Urawa Red Diamonds in 2017). Adding further to Australia’s complicated relationship with Asia is the clubs reluctance to implement the 3+1 ruling that is common right around the continent.  Jumpei Kusukami of the Wanderers.Picture: Getty ImagesAs things stand, following the departure of Jumpei Kusukami and Ali Abbas, there isn’t a single AFC-qualified non-Australian player at any of the 10 A-League clubs. Yet many Australians have benefited from the 3+1 - earning good money in the Asian leagues. No fewer than 10 will play in the Korean and Japanese competitions in 2018 – and although there won’t be any in the Chinese Super League, many have played there in the past, such as Trent Sainsbury, Ryan McGowan, Apostolos Giannou and Tim Cahill. In fairness to FFA, the governing body has pushed for a 4+1 ruling which they previously announced will be introduced for the 2018-19 season. FFA has also tried to help the clubs with better fixturing and split rounds in domestic games to help their Champions League cause. But just as Australia heaps pressure on Wellington Phoenix for their under-performance in the domestic competition, so we need to recognise our need to play our part in Asia, where we (like the Phoenix) are the outsiders. Last week, pundits on Fox Sports Asia were highly critical of Australian club performances – the basic gist being that A-League outfits “didn’t care” about the Champions League. That is an unfair assumption – but it’s easy to see how they arrive at that conclusion after the debacle in Brisbane, where the numbers were literally falling off Brisbane Roar players’ shirts. All of which makes Sydney FC’s game in Shanghai tonight so important. The dominant club in the domestic league needs to show the A-League not only cares, but can compete. Numbers falling off jerseys might be embarrassing, but the wheels falling off completely would not send the right message to Asia.
A-League teams in ACL exposes alarming trend that could hurt Australia: Simon Hill
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OGNENOVSKI TO ARNOLD: “YOU HAVE ROCKS IN YOUR HEAD” Graham Arnold preferred the intimidation factor of his front-three imports – Bobo, Milos Ninkovic and Adrian Mierzejewski – to the solid defending of Dutchman Jordy Buijs, leaving the latter out of his squad for the ACL. The decision came back to bite Arnold when Sydney were defeated 2-0 in their opening group match against Suwon Bluewings, with Buijs’ replacement, Aaron Calver, somewhat at fault for both goals. Former Socceroo Ognenovski was scathing on Arnold’s decision, saying the Sydney boss must have “rocks” in his head. “Essentially what’s happened is that Arnie has gone into Asia believing his attacking players are better than those he’s up against in the ACL,” he told The World Game. “If that’s what you think then you have rocks in your head. “If you believe you can have a shootout with the Asian teams, you’re going to lose. They punish any mistakes, they are ruthless. It’s very different to the A-League.” Ognenovski pointed out the success of Adelaide United in 2008 and Western Sydney in 2014 were based on defensive football. “These teams are not tactically better than Graham Arnold, it’s just that they have more fire power,” he said. “That’s where you have to be smart tactically to overcome the talent gap, just as Western Sydney Wanderers did in winning the competition in 2014. “We also made final with Adelaide playing defensive football. Sydney have dominated in the A-League but it all changes in the ACL. “Having lost at home now it’s going to be really tough to get out of the group, especially with their next two games against the strongest two teams.” Sydney FC now face fixtures against J-League side Kashima Antlers and Chinese Super League club Shanghai Shenhua – which boast the attacking stocks of Obafemi Martins and Fredy Guarin – to get their campaign back on track. Ognenovski said Sydney would have to reclaim their defensive solidity if they were to stand a chance. “Jordi forms a great partnership with Alex Wilkinson and you’ve broken that spine and put a kid in who’s probably not up to A-League standard,” he contended. “You’ve put him in and said ‘this is your chance to shine’ but then it hasn’t worked. “And now you’re thinking what do I do now? “Knowing Graham Arnold as a coach, it’s even stranger that he’s taken this path because I know how much emphasis he puts on defense. “I was just shocked not to see Buijs selected. He takes corners and free-kicks and is such an important player for Sydney.” https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/ognenovski-to-arnold-you-have-rocks-in-your-head-485324
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Tactically dominated.. Arnie read like a book by the Suwon manager... that's the thing with the A-league teams just find a plan and stick to it then get dominated in ACL. Rotating fouls wont work in ACL Arnie.
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+x+xCan't blame Arnie or SFC, Suwon played at least as good as a Japanese college team. And who could possibly have known that putting Simon on would not change the course of the game? Simon did run from one side of the field to the other simply to kick the shit out of one of the Suwon players and up until that point of the game, no one else had done that. You made me laugh. Simon's ability to injure is so UGG like. On the game, now Sydney have had their arrogance removed they may come out and play with a bit of speed - although I thought being held scoreless by our youngsters would have done it.
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Just watched the game then. First thing to note is that the Koreans are playing to get a result away from home, defensive, tight, cautious possession but with enough quality in attack to get a result when the chance comes. It is pretty rare to get games like this in the a-league because most teams play to entertain and results don't really matter with a generous finals format and no relegation. It can come over as a pretty dull game to watch unless you appreciate the step up in quality and stakes. I think it would also be far more entertaining if the Aussies had more quality to force the matter. It will be very interesting to see how Sydney respond but they definitely need to raise their game. For me it is very enjoyable and I appreciate the benefits of the challenge to Australian Football.
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AFC Champions League winner Sasa Ognenovski has questioned the “very strange” omission of Jordi Buijs from Sydney FC’S ACL campaign, claiming it has already come back to bite coach Graham Arnold.
Buijs blunder will cost Sydney, claims Ognenovski | : The World Game
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+x+xCan't blame Arnie or SFC, Suwon played at least as good as a Japanese college team. And who could possibly have known that putting Simon on would not change the course of the game? Simon did run from one side of the field to the other simply to kick the shit out of one of the Suwon players and up until that point of the game, no one else had done that. +x+x+xEvery player int he team played their worst game of the season. Hard to gauge how competitive we'll be in the group until next week and we see if this was a one off. The team is quite fatigued. Arnie plays the same 11 for almost 90 minutes in basically every single game this season, FFA Cup, HAL and now ACL. No rotation, perhaps using the bench for a combined total of 20-30 mins a game. Considering the age of our squad it's madness and leads to players becoming quite jaded. Also no competition for their spots can lead to complacency. We really missed Buijs tonight. Calver was extremely bad, but with no cover from the equally atrocious Brillante and O'Neil he was left badly exposed and looked like a player who'd only played 10 games in 2 years. Which due to the crap rules in NPL is true. How are players like him supposed to stay match fit when there's no reserves league? There's no point having all of our foreign attackers on the field if we can't get the ball past halfway. Not to take anything away from Ulsan though, they were very good, especially for a team in preseason. Arnie has no depth in the squad as he never rotates so if they do get fatigued/burnt out they will be fucked. Posters saying this shows level of A-league are premature though. Playing a better quality team is not a reason for your goal-a-game Brazilian to suddenly not be able to control a ball or your ex-serbian international to shank shots that he's been netting with the outside of his foot in other games. Ditto the Pole. Brillante and particulary O'Neill are shit though and were exposed. We've seen dross teams from the A-league put up far better performances than this in the CL before so its hardly a reflection on the league, just the players on the night and the coaching tactics. Thing is most of our starting lineup has played consistently at K-League level or higher. Feels like the Mariners, and now Suwon are the only teams that have done their homework on us for 18 months. this puts into question the "gastro" excuses Arnie used after the last Mariners game.....the Mariners had done their homework and played to it and were by far teh better team for most of the match. Suwon played teh same way....pressing and quicker to the ball. Arnie didn't have a plan B to combat the pressing....he'll need one once other teams see how to beat them.
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shots and chances. Looks like the chances are actually reasonably even but some impressively awful finishing from sfc
I missed the game mind you
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+x+xEvery player int he team played their worst game of the season. Hard to gauge how competitive we'll be in the group until next week and we see if this was a one off. The team is quite fatigued. Arnie plays the same 11 for almost 90 minutes in basically every single game this season, FFA Cup, HAL and now ACL. No rotation, perhaps using the bench for a combined total of 20-30 mins a game. Considering the age of our squad it's madness and leads to players becoming quite jaded. Also no competition for their spots can lead to complacency. We really missed Buijs tonight. Calver was extremely bad, but with no cover from the equally atrocious Brillante and O'Neil he was left badly exposed and looked like a player who'd only played 10 games in 2 years. Which due to the crap rules in NPL is true. How are players like him supposed to stay match fit when there's no reserves league? There's no point having all of our foreign attackers on the field if we can't get the ball past halfway. Not to take anything away from Ulsan though, they were very good, especially for a team in preseason. Arnie has no depth in the squad as he never rotates so if they do get fatigued/burnt out they will be fucked. Posters saying this shows level of A-league are premature though. Playing a better quality team is not a reason for your goal-a-game Brazilian to suddenly not be able to control a ball or your ex-serbian international to shank shots that he's been netting with the outside of his foot in other games. Ditto the Pole. Brillante and particulary O'Neill are shit though and were exposed. We've seen dross teams from the A-league put up far better performances than this in the CL before so its hardly a reflection on the league, just the players on the night and the coaching tactics. Perhaps these players were being shut down quicker and facing the type of pressure that no teams in the A league can provide? Some like victory can do it for about 20 minutes before they die but suwon swarmed on sydneys ball players for the duration. Its even perceived pressure knowing the other team is better.
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+x+x+xCan't blame Arnie or SFC, Suwon played at least as good as a Japanese college team. And who could possibly have known that putting Simon on would not change the course of the game? Simon did run from one side of the field to the other simply to kick the shit out of one of the Suwon players and up until that point of the game, no one else had done that. lol...well normally it is the intent eh haha. I reckon he ran like as last night because none of his team mates got stuck in enough in the first place and as usual remind Arnie a donkey can still gallop. Its all good debate imo. When a team dominates that next loss round the corner is huge one and a great calling card. We shall see what happens next week.
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+x+xCan't blame Arnie or SFC, Suwon played at least as good as a Japanese college team. And who could possibly have known that putting Simon on would not change the course of the game? Simon did run from one side of the field to the other simply to kick the shit out of one of the Suwon players and up until that point of the game, no one else had done that. lol...well normally it is the intent eh haha. I reckon he ran like as last night because none of his team mates got stuck in enough in the first place and as usual remind Arnie a donkey can still gallop. Its all good debate imo. When a team dominates that next loss round the corner is huge one and a great calling card. We shall see what happens next week.
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+x+xEvery player int he team played their worst game of the season. Hard to gauge how competitive we'll be in the group until next week and we see if this was a one off. The team is quite fatigued. Arnie plays the same 11 for almost 90 minutes in basically every single game this season, FFA Cup, HAL and now ACL. No rotation, perhaps using the bench for a combined total of 20-30 mins a game. Considering the age of our squad it's madness and leads to players becoming quite jaded. Also no competition for their spots can lead to complacency. We really missed Buijs tonight. Calver was extremely bad, but with no cover from the equally atrocious Brillante and O'Neil he was left badly exposed and looked like a player who'd only played 10 games in 2 years. Which due to the crap rules in NPL is true. How are players like him supposed to stay match fit when there's no reserves league? There's no point having all of our foreign attackers on the field if we can't get the ball past halfway. Not to take anything away from Ulsan though, they were very good, especially for a team in preseason. Arnie has no depth in the squad as he never rotates so if they do get fatigued/burnt out they will be fucked. Posters saying this shows level of A-league are premature though. Playing a better quality team is not a reason for your goal-a-game Brazilian to suddenly not be able to control a ball or your ex-serbian international to shank shots that he's been netting with the outside of his foot in other games. Ditto the Pole. Brillante and particulary O'Neill are shit though and were exposed. We've seen dross teams from the A-league put up far better performances than this in the CL before so its hardly a reflection on the league, just the players on the night and the coaching tactics. Thing is most of our starting lineup has played consistently at K-League level or higher. Feels like the Mariners, and now Suwon are the only teams that have done their homework on us for 18 months.
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+xCan't blame Arnie or SFC, Suwon played at least as good as a Japanese college team. And who could possibly have known that putting Simon on would not change the course of the game? Simon did run from one side of the field to the other simply to kick the shit out of one of the Suwon players and up until that point of the game, no one else had done that.
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As much as i don't mind watching sfc being found out at a good level, the year wsw won they lost their first home game 3-1 to ulsan Hyundai.
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+x+xEvery player int he team played their worst game of the season. Hard to gauge how competitive we'll be in the group until next week and we see if this was a one off. The team is quite fatigued. Arnie plays the same 11 for almost 90 minutes in basically every single game this season, FFA Cup, HAL and now ACL. No rotation, perhaps using the bench for a combined total of 20-30 mins a game. Considering the age of our squad it's madness and leads to players becoming quite jaded. Also no competition for their spots can lead to complacency. We really missed Buijs tonight. Calver was extremely bad, but with no cover from the equally atrocious Brillante and O'Neil he was left badly exposed and looked like a player who'd only played 10 games in 2 years. Which due to the crap rules in NPL is true. How are players like him supposed to stay match fit when there's no reserves league? There's no point having all of our foreign attackers on the field if we can't get the ball past halfway. Not to take anything away from Ulsan though, they were very good, especially for a team in preseason. Arnie has no depth in the squad as he never rotates so if they do get fatigued/burnt out they will be fucked. Posters saying this shows level of A-league are premature though. Playing a better quality team is not a reason for your goal-a-game Brazilian to suddenly not be able to control a ball or your ex-serbian international to shank shots that he's been netting with the outside of his foot in other games. Ditto the Pole. Brillante and particulary O'Neill are shit though and were exposed. We've seen dross teams from the A-league put up far better performances than this in the CL before so its hardly a reflection on the league, just the players on the night and the coaching tactics. Of course they can perform better, but the top clubs from the big Asian leagues make light work of the group stages, while every ACL game the Aussie teams play in are an absolute grind. While its stating the obvious, we are still a long way behind Japan and Korea.
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+x+xEvery player int he team played their worst game of the season. Hard to gauge how competitive we'll be in the group until next week and we see if this was a one off. The team is quite fatigued. Arnie plays the same 11 for almost 90 minutes in basically every single game this season, FFA Cup, HAL and now ACL. No rotation, perhaps using the bench for a combined total of 20-30 mins a game. Considering the age of our squad it's madness and leads to players becoming quite jaded. Also no competition for their spots can lead to complacency. We really missed Buijs tonight. Calver was extremely bad, but with no cover from the equally atrocious Brillante and O'Neil he was left badly exposed and looked like a player who'd only played 10 games in 2 years. Which due to the crap rules in NPL is true. How are players like him supposed to stay match fit when there's no reserves league? There's no point having all of our foreign attackers on the field if we can't get the ball past halfway. Not to take anything away from Ulsan though, they were very good, especially for a team in preseason. Arnie has no depth in the squad as he never rotates so if they do get fatigued/burnt out they will be fucked. Posters saying this shows level of A-league are premature though. Playing a better quality team is not a reason for your goal-a-game Brazilian to suddenly not be able to control a ball or your ex-serbian international to shank shots that he's been netting with the outside of his foot in other games. Ditto the Pole. Brillante and particulary O'Neill are shit though and were exposed. We've seen dross teams from the A-league put up far better performances than this in the CL before so its hardly a reflection on the league, just the players on the night and the coaching tactics. The lack of depth is a problem with all a-league clubs competing in the ACL, sydney starting 11 have an older team except for young Calver and the bench isn't young either.
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Shocker of a performance from us. Was obvious from the opening exchanges when their striker got an easy 1-on-1 that he butchered that it really wasnt our night. That said they did their homework. Always acted very quick to shut down Milos and Adrian, didnt over commit in attack but looked to ping us on the counter. A very typical away performance and they were very deserved winners. Hardly worth writing us or Arnie off just yet but we will have to be a lot better.
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+xEvery player int he team played their worst game of the season. Hard to gauge how competitive we'll be in the group until next week and we see if this was a one off. The team is quite fatigued. Arnie plays the same 11 for almost 90 minutes in basically every single game this season, FFA Cup, HAL and now ACL. No rotation, perhaps using the bench for a combined total of 20-30 mins a game. Considering the age of our squad it's madness and leads to players becoming quite jaded. Also no competition for their spots can lead to complacency. We really missed Buijs tonight. Calver was extremely bad, but with no cover from the equally atrocious Brillante and O'Neil he was left badly exposed and looked like a player who'd only played 10 games in 2 years. Which due to the crap rules in NPL is true. How are players like him supposed to stay match fit when there's no reserves league? There's no point having all of our foreign attackers on the field if we can't get the ball past halfway. Not to take anything away from Ulsan though, they were very good, especially for a team in preseason. Arnie has no depth in the squad as he never rotates so if they do get fatigued/burnt out they will be fucked. Posters saying this shows level of A-league are premature though. Playing a better quality team is not a reason for your goal-a-game Brazilian to suddenly not be able to control a ball or your ex-serbian international to shank shots that he's been netting with the outside of his foot in other games. Ditto the Pole. Brillante and particulary O'Neill are shit though and were exposed. We've seen dross teams from the A-league put up far better performances than this in the CL before so its hardly a reflection on the league, just the players on the night and the coaching tactics.
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Every player int he team played their worst game of the season. Hard to gauge how competitive we'll be in the group until next week and we see if this was a one off.
The team is quite fatigued. Arnie plays the same 11 for almost 90 minutes in basically every single game this season, FFA Cup, HAL and now ACL. No rotation, perhaps using the bench for a combined total of 20-30 mins a game. Considering the age of our squad it's madness and leads to players becoming quite jaded. Also no competition for their spots can lead to complacency.
We really missed Buijs tonight. Calver was extremely bad, but with no cover from the equally atrocious Brillante and O'Neil he was left badly exposed and looked like a player who'd only played 10 games in 2 years. Which due to the crap rules in NPL is true. How are players like him supposed to stay match fit when there's no reserves league?
There's no point having all of our foreign attackers on the field if we can't get the ball past halfway.
Not to take anything away from Ulsan though, they were very good, especially for a team in preseason.
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+x[quote]one thing I should say is that its a myth that playing these teams in pre season is easier than later
I haven't checked the stats on this but I'd wager that our performances in games 4-6 are as good or better than 1-3
In the end I had to check out of curiosity. At least my memory of United's campaigns the theory ran true Victory here the big stand out on your side of the argument for sure TOTALS: United: 1-3: 27 points 4-6: 23 points Brisbane 1-3: 7 points 4-6: 7 points CCM 1-3: 12 points 4-6: 9 points MV 1-3: 13 4-6: 21 JETS 1-3: 4 4-6: 6 SFC 1-3: 12 4-6: 12 WSW 1-3: 13 4-6: 13
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+xthat was pretty terrible glad i missed it one thing I should say is that its a myth that playing these teams in pre season is easier than later I haven't checked the stats on this but I'd wager that our performances in games 4-6 are as good or better than 1-3 Another thing is to my surprise there is no correlation between how a team does in the a league compared to asia A team that is ultranegative can do well. But also sometimes technical players, including youth, who aren't up to the a leagues physical level can do better in asia than in the a league and vice versa. I think it shows our league's overemphasis on physicality and our soft refereeing Suwon outplayed SFC and were positive. Their squeezing over the full game was well-organsised and energetic. SFC have rarely been under that sort of squeezing pressure off the ball in any HAL games this year. It also showed how innocuous the three imports, Ninkovic, Bobo and Mierjewski, were against a higher calibre team, playing higher standard football. The other worry from that game is that many players mooted as potential Socceroos looked innocuous too. Wikshire and Zullo were outpaced by their direct opponents. Brillante and Wilkshire struggled. Brosque and Wilko were possibly the best Aussie SFC players out of a bad bunch. In addition, there was too much distance between the lines in BPO, particularly the defensive midfield line and the attacking line. In defensive shape was Arnie playing a flat midfield 4-4-2, or a 4-2-3-1? The former was not condensed enough, and formed quickly enough in the Defensive Transitions, the phase of play just before BPO. If the supposed shape was the latter formation in BPO, the number 10 wasn't close enough to the defensive midfield line of Brillante and O'Neill. Suwon played a 3-4-3. SFC were outnumbered in midfield. Arnold either didn't respond quickly enough, or, his cattle didn't follow instructions. In general SFC were forced to play under less time and space than they were comfortable with. It was very apparent that the likes of Ninkovic, Mierjewski and to a lesser extent , Bobo, rely on their teammates to do a lot of donkey work in the HAL in BPO. They get away with it. They also look like stars in the HAL, which is an indictment of where we are now comrared to faster improving Asian leagues. Last night the Polish and Serbian SFC players had to do a lot of donkey work in BPO and they came up short. Arnie made a mistake not selecting Buijis - a CB who does plenty of graft. When SFC won the ball back, apart from Brosque, none of the players opened passing lanes quickly enough to support the SFC player in possession. The SFC person in possession had few passing options available from team-mates. Consequently, they often mishit passes.
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+xCan't blame Arnie or SFC, Suwon played at least as good as a Japanese college team. And who could possibly have known that putting Simon on would not change the course of the game? Wait. So having 70% of our best players not play in the ACL didn't work? Were all of the 6,500 fans less bored?
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Angus
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Can't blame Arnie or SFC, Suwon played at least as good as a Japanese college team. And who could possibly have known that putting Simon on would not change the course of the game?
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+x@Scott,I have no idea what you are talking about? I always thought SFC were overrated.Their style is great for playing against poor teams where you can force mistakes and they can't force mistakes from you.But I remember how they went against a Liverpool slap and tickle team.It might have been during the silly season.But they showed they had nothing and barely put a shot on goal and their DM's were found wanting big time. Anyone with a brain could see Arnie is an average coach that found his level at the A-League. A-League level used to be English League 1 standard but now is League 2 standard on a good day. To think the FFA are grooming Arnie as our national coach is going to be a very sad state of affairs.
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that was pretty terrible glad i missed it
one thing I should say is that its a myth that playing these teams in pre season is easier than later
I haven't checked the stats on this but I'd wager that our performances in games 4-6 are as good or better than 1-3
Another thing is to my surprise there is no correlation between how a team does in the a league compared to asia
A team that is ultranegative can do well. But also sometimes technical players, including youth, who aren't up to the a leagues physical level can do better in asia than in the a league and vice versa. I think it shows our league's overemphasis on physicality and our soft refereeing
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+xcrimson and chillys posts cover the game pretty much how I see it. I wanted to say from the moment GA spoke the chicken before the egg mind game it always comes back to bite ! A very good reality check imo. One of the worst games they've played at such a wrong time but thats football the better team got the points. You could say whats worse its showing how ordinary the rest of the AL teams are at the same time. The angle is usually that if we scrapped the cap SFC would get more or are worth more. Its not the case. WP and CCM players get paid too much because of the salary floor. We think they should be the same beause that is the FFA model. But its just a waste of money.
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crimson and chillys posts cover the game pretty much how I see it. I wanted to say from the moment GA spoke the chicken before the egg mind game it always comes back to bite ! A very good reality check imo. One of the worst games they've played at such a wrong time but thats football the better team got the points. You could say whats worse its showing how ordinary the rest of the AL teams are at the same time.
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The preseason talk was bullshit. Suwon were one of the most impressive teams athletically I've seen play. There hasn't been an A-league team ever that would come close to the abilities Suwon showed tonight. They all could regularly leap for headers at heights that are rare to see here and their acceleration made Sydney's play look poor when they could immediately recover after being shown the wrong way.
On the Sydney side, it seemed nothing fell our way tonight from the starting from Calver's horror first few minutes. Even the lumps in the pitch and gusting wind seemed to favour Suwon. It didn't help that the whole team forgot how to weight and direct their passes, even when there was little pressure being applied.
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