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+xAAFC were always open that they were going to work with FFA, APFCA, State Feds. The timeline has shifted because FFA wanted to establish a second division working group and that process has dragged on. They're having more meetings whilst everyone is in Sydney for the FIFA. FFA is playing one of the dirtiest tricks in business. "Embrace and extend"
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt shifterd because of FFA. So FFA are still running the show. I think it is more along the lines of AAFC willingness to work with FFA. They dont want to be a rebel league. They can't be a Rebel League, they'd be dead by end of season 1 FFA know it FFA are running the show But hey, let's look forward to 2 more mid table Franchises in FOX's chosen geographic zones. I wonder what kit they'll be wearing. Whether or not AAFC get a division up and running, the 2 team expansion was going to happen and no more teams before the end of the current tv deal. There is a bonus in the broadcast deal that could fund 2 extra teams in the 5th and 6th year. The revised league model and corporate structure that is to be negotiated this year may allow expansion and more sustainable clubs to be achieved. I believe the expansion funds were for year 3 - 6 (if it happens) and the metrics bonus was for Season 5 & 6. Have you got a decent source ?
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So AAFC are already FFA captured?
Didnt take long.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt shifterd because of FFA. So FFA are still running the show. I think it is more along the lines of AAFC willingness to work with FFA. They dont want to be a rebel league. They can't be a Rebel League, they'd be dead by end of season 1 FFA know it FFA are running the show But hey, let's look forward to 2 more mid table Franchises in FOX's chosen geographic zones. I wonder what kit they'll be wearing. Whether or not AAFC get a division up and running, the 2 team expansion was going to happen and no more teams before the end of the current tv deal. There is a bonus in the broadcast deal that could fund 2 extra teams in the 5th and 6th year. The revised league model and corporate structure that is to be negotiated this year may allow expansion and more sustainable clubs to be achieved. I believe the expansion funds were for year 3 - 6 (if it happens) and the metrics bonus was for Season 5 & 6. Have you got a decent source ? The expansion funds were to start in season 2 of the deal. The metrics bonus was for season 5 and 6 but the FFA could use them for expansion is it wanted to.
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+xSo AAFC are already FFA captured? Didnt take long.
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I hope FFA is smart enought to see the potential of e-eleague and that AAFC clubs should be involved. https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/02/19/bad-timing-esports-can-ultimately-help-league
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+x+xThe timeline has shifted because FFA wanted to establish a second division working group. Wut ? when ? where ? Sorry 'Championship Development Team'.. http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/news/archives/11-2017 "It is expected the new members of the ‘Championship Development Team’, which will include FFA personnel and State Federation representatives, will be finalised in the next week. Further consultations will follow with stakeholders, including FIFA and AFC, over the next few months before a final model for FFA approval is produced."
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+x+x+x+xIt shifterd because of FFA. So FFA are still running the show. I think it is more along the lines of AAFC willingness to work with FFA. They dont want to be a rebel league. They can't be a Rebel League, they'd be dead by end of season 1 FFA know it FFA are running the show But hey, let's look forward to 2 more mid table Franchises in FOX's chosen geographic zones. I wonder what kit they'll be wearing. Long shot but there is the possibility we end up with something like India with both a closed shop league and a separate league in an open pramid both having First Division status and ACL spots. FFA wouldn't go for it but its something AFC has shown they're open to.
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Guys it’s just not gonna happen as long as the FFA are around. The league has been stagnant for years now and the only thing they have announced is MAYBE 2 more teams. We should be deep into having a 2nd league by now. With pro \rel coming in next season. But we have nothing and the league is literally dying.
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+xGuys it’s just not gonna happen as long as the FFA are around. The league has been stagnant for years now and the only thing they have announced is MAYBE 2 more teams. We should be deep into having a 2nd league by now. With pro \rel coming in next season. But we have nothing and the league is literally dying. If the league dies then theres less chance of a second div next time around, less money in the pit etc. The satisfaction of telling MarkFromCroydon and Paulc I told you so isnt enough of a satisfaction tbh.
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The fact that FFA has recently decided to invite representatives of supporters, referees, coaches and women to meet with FIFA/AFC for 45 minutes each is not due to a Damascene conversion to democracy, transparency and accountability but rather a token ‘tick the box’ exercise to say “Look at what we’ve done.” FFA also attempted to allocate AAFC just 45 minutes for their discussion with FIFA/AFC, and did not think it appropriate for AAFC to attend the joint session on the final day. Perhaps indicative of the attitude with which FIFA might approach this week’s talks, their lead negotiator, Luca Nicola, overruled FFA on the matter. http://footballtoday.news/features/a-league-deja-vu?utm_content=buffer5ed9e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Just because FFA don't feel AAFC is important, FIFA and the AFC obviously do..
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FIFA has warned it intends to put in place strict timelines for reform, after two years of efforts descended into an acrimonious stalemate between the FFA and its A-League clubs. The Association of Australian Football Clubs, the new body which represents hundreds of clubs at state league level and below, is due to make a two-hour presentation over its demands for a seat in Congress, and ultimate aim of establishing a second division for the A-League with promotion and relegation. https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/fifa-wades-into-australian-football-civil-war-with-sydney-meetings/news-story/5ff941cafaebd5e744e44c1e290016ff
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AAFC pleased with discussion with FIFA and AFC 20/2/2018 The Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) are encouraged by their meeting with representatives of FIFA and the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) in Sydney this afternoon. AAFC was represented by its Chairman Rabieh Krayem, director Gino Marra, and advisor Nick Galatas. Krayem described the discussion which went for more than two hours as constructive and positive. “The good news for our member clubs is that FIFA and the AFC understand that the clubs we represent are a critical part of the football ecosystem, that we are a stakeholder in this game, and we are not going away,” Krayem said. AAFC presented updated data on their members which showed they have coverage of more than 41,000 players, with coaches and volunteers who contribute a total of 65,000 hours per week in the game. The discussions included progress made by the AAFC since the initial meeting with FIFA and AFC in August last year. “We were able to talk about the work we are doing on developing a national second division which is, of course, part of FIFA Statutes. “The FIFA and AFC reps were pleased to hear that we are also meeting tomorrow with the FFA and state federations to progress this further. “We were able to talk with FIFA and AFC about some of the critical issues faced by our clubs, such as some of the costs and requirements imposed on clubs, and, importantly, the cost for kids to play. One of our highest priorities is to reduce the cost of participation.” Krayem said that the AAFC representatives are looking forward to meeting with FIFA and AFC again on Thursday, along with other stakeholders to discuss the options for the composition and terms of reference for the working group that will form a new, more representative Congress. “Once again, we appreciated the opportunity to meet with FIFA and AFC. We appreciate that they’re willing to listen to what we have to say, and to support our endeavours in striving for to help advance football in Australia.” http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/news/aafc-pleased-with-discussion-with-fifa-and-afc
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+xhttp://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/news/aafc-pleased-with-discussion-with-fifa-and-afc  Those last Championship stats are interesting, a bit strange. Seems that 'the people' they asked expected to be put straight into the HAL (or at least have a good chance at it) and dont want to be stuck in the 2nd div
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No.
It means random bottom team from WA, SA, Vic, Qld, NSW and most of ACT & NNSW don't have that ambition.
37% from 121 is quite high imo. Yet all support it.
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+x+xhttp://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/news/aafc-pleased-with-discussion-with-fifa-and-afc  Those last Championship stats are interesting, a bit strange. Seems that 'the people' they asked expected to be put straight into the HAL (or at least have a good chance at it) and dont want to be stuck in the 2nd div Except it doesn't say that at all. But besides that good point.
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+xNo. It means random bottom team from WA, SA, Vic, Qld, NSW and most of ACT & NNSW don't have that ambition. 37% from 121 is quite high imo. Yet all support it. Makes sense
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+x+xhttp://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/news/aafc-pleased-with-discussion-with-fifa-and-afc  Those last Championship stats are interesting, a bit strange. Seems that 'the people' they asked expected to be put straight into the HAL (or at least have a good chance at it) and dont want to be stuck in the 2nd div I read it that the 63%, whilst for promotion or relegation, aren't all that interested in being promoted themselves whilst the other 37% are. Even a club like Blacktown City admitted they weren't sure on applying themselves and would have to weigh things up when they see the proposed model. A lot of the smaller state feds joined the AAFC for a voice and other things like reducing junior costs and the fees charged to clubs by the federations, etc.
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+xNo. It means random bottom team from WA, SA, Vic, Qld, NSW and most of ACT & NNSW don't have that ambition. 37% from 121 is quite high imo. Yet all support it. I wonder how Brisbane City voted..
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Depends on if they are already A-League confirmed.
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ca 45 clubs (37%)
Good numbers
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+xca 45 clubs (37%)Good numbers Makes you wonder how promotion to the second division would work. No promotion or relegation if the teams that earn promotion deny it.. the teams outside the division that want promotion have to finish higher than the ones that don't want it.
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Just for a comparison of the numerical size of the group that the AAFC represents it is a little bit less than Football West, about the same as the area that Southern Expansion wants to represent and 40% of the women's game in Australia. I picked these three parts of football to highlight the difficulty of how to represent the different regions, levels and parts of football that make up the stakeholders in football in an equitable way.
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+xJust for a comparison of the numerical size of the group that the AAFC represents it is a little bit less than Football West, about the same as the area that Southern Expansion wants to represent and 40% of the women's game in Australia. I picked these three parts of football to highlight the difficulty of how to represent the different regions, levels and parts of football that make up the stakeholders in football in an equitable way. And yet NT and Tas get a vote. Why not start there? As for the WA, you can use the same example and say PG represent all of the WA players. Women are represented by the states and APFCA (W-League).
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+x+xca 45 clubs (37%)Good numbers Makes you wonder how promotion to the second division would work. No promotion or relegation if the teams that earn promotion deny it.. the teams outside the division that want promotion have to finish higher than the ones that don't want it. Thems the breaks. If you dont want it it shouldnt be forced.
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+x+xJust for a comparison of the numerical size of the group that the AAFC represents it is a little bit less than Football West, about the same as the area that Southern Expansion wants to represent and 40% of the women's game in Australia. I picked these three parts of football to highlight the difficulty of how to represent the different regions, levels and parts of football that make up the stakeholders in football in an equitable way. And yet NT and Tas get a vote. Why not start there? As for the WA, you can use the same example and say PG represent all of the WA players. Women are represented by the states and APFCA (W-League). Of course NT and Tas get a vote. My reading of the FIFA Standard Statutes is that all entities within the same category have the same rights and privileges. Size doesn't matter. Similarly any league that gets membership should have the same rights and privileges as any other league. Value of the league doesn't matter. I probably didn't communicate my point re Southern Expansion well. I was using them to define a small area of FNSW territory that is as big numerically as Football West and the AAFC's membership yet that region won't have separate membership of the congress like the other two should. It is the FIFA way but is it equitable? Is it equitable if state feds get a vote each yet the leagues each get multiple votes? That could quite easily happen. FIFA requires that the women's game has representation and they expect that representation to be by women. (They also require that women be at all levels of the administration of football including the board.) Can this be achieved by them being represented at congress by AAFC or APFCA or for that matter by the state feds? The picture I am painting is that membership of the congress is a complex issue and in my view getting the balance right is impossible or more correctly there isn't a right balance. If this is correct then its a nonsense to be arguing about margins of 1 in voting blocks etc. The congress isn't meant to work that way. Its not meant to be a power play but a place of being heard and then agreeing together what is best for football on the issue that is before it.
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Meanwhile the prospect of a national second division will be the focus of a working group set up by the FFA, its member federations and the Association of Australian Football Clubs, the body which represents clubs below the A-League. There are hopes a draft model could be sketched out later this year, though significant differences have emerged already over such a competition’s timing and size.
A-League clubs warn they will go bust if FIFA doesn’t force Football Federation Australia into reform | Daily Telegraph
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Again oz media compares with ALF. These are existing clubs, set up from top to bottom, playing out of existing infrastructure with a ready fan base. It wont take much to start up as it already exists the tools needed.
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