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Davide82
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+xwhen we get a 7-0 pumping from France and Maty doesn't make a save we can get into the facts. Yeah, that'll show me... Christ
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Davide82
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+x+x+x+x@jas 88. I think you’ll find that the reason Ryan wasn’t getting game time at Valencia before the Confeds Cup was because he was at Genk .... So Belgium > Winning Eredivise team then yeah? Maybe not, but facts > hyperbole. what fact is that? I guess you can say you were right that Ryan could barely get a game at Valencia before the confeds cup if you ignore the fact he had been on loan and playing regularly for another team for 6 months leading in. I think you could mount a case that giving Jones a swansong at the confeds cup as opposed to using as a warm up for the WC would have looked more like an experiment for Ange than playing Ryan. I'm no big fan of Ange these days and if anything it was the 2014 WC he experimented with a young keeper and cost us points not the confeds cup in 2017.
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jas88
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when we get a 7-0 pumping from France and Maty doesn't make a save we can get into the facts.
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jas88
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+x+x+x@jas 88. I think you’ll find that the reason Ryan wasn’t getting game time at Valencia before the Confeds Cup was because he was at Genk .... So Belgium > Winning Eredivise team then yeah? Maybe not, but facts > hyperbole. what fact is that?
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Davide82
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+x+x@jas 88. I think you’ll find that the reason Ryan wasn’t getting game time at Valencia before the Confeds Cup was because he was at Genk .... So Belgium > Winning Eredivise team then yeah? Maybe not, but facts > hyperbole.
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jas88
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+x@jas 88. I think you’ll find that the reason Ryan wasn’t getting game time at Valencia before the Confeds Cup was because he was at Genk .... So Belgium > Winning Eredivise team then yeah?
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clockwork orange
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Do those who think keepers should be selected because they are playing for a top club or have won a championship also believe Redmayne is the best keeper in Australia?
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clockwork orange
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@jas 88. I think you’ll find that the reason Ryan wasn’t getting game time at Valencia before the Confeds Cup was because he was at Genk ....
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+x+xThis has been brought up a bunch but we don't actually know the truth. After the reports came out, Jones' camp denied the claims and iirc said the NT setup hadn't even contacted them about Jones being selected. The rumour definitely sounds true though. Jones became no. 1 at Feyenoord and suddenly thought he was hot shit. I'm glad Ange ignored him. I would take Langerak over him any day. Jones was always a very shaky keeper, and I don't believe you suddenly become good in your mid-30s. I think his team's dominance probably flatters him. i dont think it would need to be an ego thing. if you just worked your way into the team after spending years in the wilderness why would you risk it to go sit on the bench somewhere? it's almost a universal constant that socceroos duty causes problems at the club - form slumps and demotions follow most players that take the call up for australian NT duties. i dont hold it against him. i believe this story because it makes the most sense. it just doesnt seem worth the worry. i doubt ange would have ignored him completely.
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jas88
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+x+x+xNo surprises. Ryan, Jones and Vukovic are comfortably our best keepers. Bingo - all three playing and playing well. Ryan is undisputed #1 (I feel filthy saying that) with his excellent performances in the EPL and both Jones and Vukovic are playing regularly at very good levels to do a sterling job if called upon. I think it's pretty obvious why he didn't play under Ange. There were two better keepers available. Also, he was known to produce the odd howler. Between 2010 and July 2016 he played a grand total of 37 matches. Perhaps that was why? Good luck to him now that he's turned it around, but don't go re-inventing the past to pretend he was hard done by. He was... Confed Cup should have been his swansong..
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jas88
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People forgetting that we took a young keeper to the Confeds Cup that could barely get a game at Valencia over a guy who was in career best form? More I hear about Ange the more im realising the socceroos was just an experiment to him...didn't care for results at all.
The top coaches are starting to show Ange had no idea what he was doing.
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Ryan currently No 1 EPL.
Jones No 2 Eredivise
For No 3
Vukovic or Langerak.
Vukovic in Belgian Pro League.
Langerak was No 1 for Stuttgart in Bundesliga 2 last season
For me Vukovic only ahead because he is starting.
If Langerak is No 1 at his new club in Japan, he will go to the WC.
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+xSurely Vukovic is ahead of LangerKalac by now? Not sure I understand how keepers can be selected when they are sitting in the bench week in week out. How often has LangerKalac had to face pressure situations in the last two years? Hardly ever. Going into a world cup i totally agree. If you aren't first choice at your club playing week in week out you shouldn't be getting on the plane
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clockwork orange
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Surely Vukovic is ahead of LangerKalac by now? Not sure I understand how keepers can be selected when they are sitting in the bench week in week out. How often has LangerKalac had to face pressure situations in the last two years? Hardly ever.
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+xNot needed. 3rd choice keeper should go to a guy that is projected to be a 1st or 2nd choice keeper at the following WC.Birighitti, Izzo etcJones makes quite a few mistakes like this... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4z5KubwzRw Normally i would agree with you that it would be an up and coming next gen keeper but given the age of the incumbent im not sure its as important at this stage.
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Seems obvious.. Ange wanted ball-playing keepers. But I don't know if Jones is significantly inferior in that regard to Vukovic, Federici etc.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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+xNot needed. 3rd choice keeper should go to a guy that is projected to be a 1st or 2nd choice keeper at the following WC.Birighitti, Izzo etcJones makes quite a few mistakes like this... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4z5KubwzRw But Jones is the 2nd choice keeper in my view. Langerak might do enough when the J-league starts to show his undoubted talent can be put into performances, but unless he does, I think Jones is our second best keeper. Then it becomes very close for the third keeper, probably one of Langerak, Vukovic, Birighitti or Izzo depending one exactly what you want in the third keeper and it probably will not matter as they will not play anyway.
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Not needed. 3rd choice keeper should go to a guy that is projected to be a 1st or 2nd choice keeper at the following WC. Birighitti, Izzo etc Jones makes quite a few mistakes like this... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4z5KubwzRw
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+x+xThis has been brought up a bunch but we don't actually know the truth. After the reports came out, Jones' camp denied the claims and iirc said the NT setup hadn't even contacted them about Jones being selected. The rumour definitely sounds true though. Jones became no. 1 at Feyenoord and suddenly thought he was hot shit. I'm glad Ange ignored him. I would take Langerak over him any day. Jones was always a very shaky keeper, and I don't believe you suddenly become good in your mid-30s. I think his team's dominance probably flatters him. I've watched enough Feyenoord games and that is simply false, he has been fantastic and fought his way from what would have been 3rd choice keeper to starting week in week out. He out trained and performed keepers at a top club, he didn't fluke his way into it and look good due to being on a dominant team. But alas your only proof to this is to question his character even though he denied it and you have no proof to the contrary. The only reason he wasn't selected is because Ange would have thought he was too old and his time was done as we have seen with many players who probably are good enough to be in the 23, Wilkinson being one.
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Derider
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+xThis has been brought up a bunch but we don't actually know the truth. After the reports came out, Jones' camp denied the claims and iirc said the NT setup hadn't even contacted them about Jones being selected. The rumour definitely sounds true though. Jones became no. 1 at Feyenoord and suddenly thought he was hot shit. I'm glad Ange ignored him. I would take Langerak over him any day. Jones was always a very shaky keeper, and I don't believe you suddenly become good in your mid-30s. I think his team's dominance probably flatters him.
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New boss. Clean slate.
Even Holmen and Wilkshire have mentioned Socceroos ambition and that they didnt retire from NT.
Meredith thinks and I agree he was judged on his age. Ange ran the build for the future thing too far.
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This has been brought up a bunch but we don't actually know the truth. After the reports came out, Jones' camp denied the claims and iirc said the NT setup hadn't even contacted them about Jones being selected.
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The only Australian to have won a major European league title this year was the most noticeable absence from the Socceroos squad, but Feyenoord goalkeeper Brad Jones turned down the chance return to the national team, it is understood. Fairfax Media understands the 35-year-old was set to be selected for the upcoming World Cup qualifier against Saudi Arabia, a friendly against Brazil and the 2017 Confederations Cup on the back of his form in the Eredivisie, but he sought an assurance he would be the first-choice goalkeeper before making himself available. http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/feyenoord-goalkeeper-brad-jones-turned-down-socceroos-recall-for-world-cup-qualifier-20170523-gwbdxi.html
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Hopefully Ryan can bring his club form to the national team. J League is starting so I expect Langerak to be in the frame. Jones is a good back up. I still fear howlers by all of our keepers.
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+x+x+x+xNo surprises. Ryan, Jones and Vukovic are comfortably our best keepers. Bingo - all three playing and playing well. Ryan is undisputed #1 (I feel filthy saying that) with his excellent performances in the EPL and both Jones and Vukovic are playing regularly at very good levels to do a sterling job if called upon. I think it's pretty obvious why he didn't play under Ange. There were two better keepers available. Also, he was known to produce the odd howler. Between 2010 and July 2016 he played a grand total of 37 matches. Perhaps that was why? Good luck to him now that he's turned it around, but don't go re-inventing the past to pretend he was hard done by. Pretty much. A 36 year old career reserve keeper known for his, at best, inconsistent national team performances had his first good full season last year(?). It's not like he was never given a chance either. Is currently our 2nd or 3rd best performing keeper so sure, bring him along for the party as he probably deserves it professionally and personally and it's a nice book-end but words like jilted and shunned are just silly.. His inconsistency might be attributed to personal problems. I think the fairest thing to do is to disregard those years from a career perspective. Nobody could be blamed for not really giving a crap about football in such awful personal circumstances. As for the words, 'jilted' and 'shunned', it depends entirely on whether or not Ange made overtures to him during the WCQ campaign. He was, by leaps and bounds, Australia's best performing goalkeeper then. And age really doesn't matter at all. Just performance. Good enough means old enough (or young enough).
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+x+x+xNo surprises. Ryan, Jones and Vukovic are comfortably our best keepers. Bingo - all three playing and playing well. Ryan is undisputed #1 (I feel filthy saying that) with his excellent performances in the EPL and both Jones and Vukovic are playing regularly at very good levels to do a sterling job if called upon. I think it's pretty obvious why he didn't play under Ange. There were two better keepers available. Also, he was known to produce the odd howler. Between 2010 and July 2016 he played a grand total of 37 matches. Perhaps that was why? Good luck to him now that he's turned it around, but don't go re-inventing the past to pretend he was hard done by. Pretty much. A 36 year old career reserve keeper known for his, at best, inconsistent national team performances had his first good full season last year(?). It's not like he was never given a chance either. Is currently our 2nd or 3rd best performing keeper so sure, bring him along for the party as he probably deserves it professionally and personally and it's a nice book-end but words like jilted and shunned are just silly..
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+x+xHe was hard done by when playing regularly at a good league while Ryan and Langerak were both benched and he still wasn’t even getting called into the squads Bullshit. He reportedly rejected a recall plus he has only had one year of consistent football . His party claimed that they didn't do anything of the sort If I remember correctly.
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+xHe was hard done by when playing regularly at a good league while Ryan and Langerak were both benched and he still wasn’t even getting called into the squads Bullshit. He reportedly rejected a recall plus he has only had one year of consistent football .
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He was hard done by when playing regularly at a good league while Ryan and Langerak were both benched and he still wasn’t even getting called into the squads
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