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A-LEAGUE clubs have warned FIFA that professional football in Australia is on the verge of “dire consequences” if the impasse over who runs the sport is not solved within the next three and a half months.
As FIFA officials continued to hear submissions in its bid to navigate a way through the civil war that has stymied reform of football’s governance, the A-League clubs issued a stark warning of “clear symptoms of a potential impending catastrophic collapse of the professional game in Australia”. FIFA IN TOWN: Clubs encouraged by meeting In their two-and-a-half hour presentation to a three-man delegation from FIFA and the Asian Football Confederation, the clubs said the so-called “Congress Review Working Group” which will be established later this week should be mandated to complete its work by June 1, as a result of the existential threat to clubs from declining crowds and TV ratings. FIFA has heard from a wide range of voices including the nine member associations, FFA’s board, fans, coaches and referees, as it seeks to draw up the membership of the CRWG which will be tasked with overhauling the voting structure of FFA’s Congress at the top of the game. But the A-League clubs’ umbrella group, the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA), urged FIFA to go further and give the working group a wider mandate to consider a range of issues, including FFA’s financial transparency, its appeal processes and what the clubs claim is the blocking of access to documents relating to the 2022 World Cup bid.  Australian Professional Clubs Association chairman Greg Griffin.Claiming the failure of attempts to reform the game’s governance had brought them to “the brink of joining the nine club administrations that have already become insolvent in the first 14 years of the A-League”, the club owners proposed that FFA be excluded from the CRWG, which it said should have an independent chairperson. The FIFA taskforce is due to hold a joint session with FFA, the clubs and the member federations on Thursday, with the expectation that it will outline the structure it plans for the CRWG, its terms of reference and crucially its timeline. After FFA chairman Steven Lowy’s controversial attempts at reform were voted down last November, FIFA agreed to a final attempt to find consensus over how many votes in Congress should be held by the various stakeholders, but only with strict deadlines to be met. In a statement, APFCA chairman Greg Griffin said its delegation “felt the meeting (with FIFA) was extremely positive and productive and look forward to contributing to the joint stakeholder meeting to be held tomorrow. “We remain committed to the successful completion of this process.” Meanwhile the prospect of a national second division will be the focus of a working group set up by the FFA, its member federations and the Association of Australian Football Clubs, the body which represents clubs below the A-League. There are hopes a draft model could be sketched out later this year, though significant differences have emerged already over such a competition’s timing and size.
A-League clubs warn they will go bust if FIFA doesn’t force Football Federation Australia into reform | Daily Telegraph
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aussie scott21
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A-League clubs push to ban FFA from working group
The clubs - FFA's primary nemesis - have started their individual meeting with a three-man FIFA/AFC delegation with an agenda extending far beyond the congress issue that's engulfed the domestic game for two years.Without any FFA representatives in the room, the chairmen of the 10 clubs are set to tell the trio the organisation's board has effectively disqualified itself from participation due to what they perceive as a lack of good governance. Having backed off from threats to replace FFA chairman Steven Lowy and his board with a 'normalisation committee', FIFA is back in Sydney to force democratic reform of its congress, which elects the FFA board. The biggest challenge for the world governing body, which failed to oversee consensus for reform last August, is finding a diplomatic resolution to the stalemate between bitterly opposed protagonists FFA and the clubs. Two FIFA representatives - Nodar Akhalkatsi and Luca Nicola - and the Asian Football Confederation's Ravi Kumar - are leading the talks to set up the composition and mandate of a 'congress review working group'. It's understood the clubs, operating under umbrella body the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association, will push for the working review process to be complete by June 1, just before the World Cup starts. They will also propose that the working group be comprised of three state member federations, two A-League clubs and one players' union representative, with special interest groups also ideally involved in the process. If they have their way FFA will have no involvement, though this is likely to be met with firm opposition by Lowy and his board, which is due to meet with the delegation late on Wednesday afternoon. It's believed the clubs will also lobby for other changes to FFA's governance, including greater financial transparency and more independent arbitration processes. That's along with a re-negotiation of the legal framework currently binding clubs and players, such as the one obliging young A-League talent to report for Olyroos duty outside FIFA windows. Earlier on Wednesday, the state federations attended their private meeting with FIFA, during which it's understood there were a number of differing suggestions floated regarding the objective, composition, mandate and timeline of the working group. On Tuesday the delegation met with Professional Footballers Australia, the Association of Australian Football Clubs, referees, coaches, women's football and fans.
A-League clubs push to ban FFA from working group | : The World Game
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aussie scott21
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Coverdale
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Dangerous bringing up access to World Cup bid documents with FIFA. Can’t be good for the clubs case.
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+xDangerous bringing up access to World Cup bid documents with FIFA. Can’t be good for the clubs case. Depends how they sell it. They can easily put it in a way that vindicates FIFAs choice for not choosing Australia. At the moment, FIFA made the smart choice.
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Dunno bit like asking the piper who paid for his pipe. Smart choice in the sense our governance is a mess but you’d be hard pressed to fin anyone who considers Qatar the smarter choice. Sepp certainly would no longer think so.
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+xDunno bit like asking the piper who paid for his pipe. Smart choice in the sense our governance is a mess but you’d be hard pressed to fin anyone who considers Qatar the smarter choice. Sepp certainly would no longer think so. Of course, it's a dumb choice. Of course, it was paid for. As for Sepp, the bloke doesn't care. He is probably sipping martinis in Monaco. As for the APFCA or whatever they are called, they don't need to say that Qatar is a good choice, they could just say that not choosing Australia was a wise choice. Which it was. I can't see our governing body getting their act together to host the world's biggest tournament. I don't even trust our government to do that.
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I dunno about that have you seen the organisation around the commonwealth baton relay that no one gives a fk about? Fk I hope our tax funded money isn’t paying for all that.
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P&R will fix it 2.0
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+xI dunno about that have you seen the organisation around the commonwealth baton relay that no one gives a fk about? Fk I hope our tax funded money isn’t paying for all that. The lack of planning from all responsible for the Commonwealth Games is clear to see. They've resorted to putting up signs saying "don't drive unless you have to" or "ride a bike" which demonstrates our horrific lack of infrastructure. If our country struggles with the commonwealth games we've got no chance with the world cup.
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P&R will fix it 2.0
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I dont want the current FFA structure to continue as it is but I also hope FIFA/AFC can see that Griffin and his cronies in charge of the A-league would be just as bad in a different way.
Not sure asking for the FFA reps to leave a meeting so they can shit can them with impunity is necessarily a good thing either.
FIFA have to get this right, and fast. I hope they listen to all the stakeholders but particularly the ones that aren't driven by financial imperatives (as important as those things are).
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+xI dont want the current FFA structure to continue as it is but I also hope FIFA/AFC can see that Griffin and his cronies in charge of the A-league would be just as bad in a different way. Not sure asking for the FFA reps to leave a meeting so they can shit can them with impunity is necessarily a good thing either. FIFA have to get this right, and fast. I hope they listen to all the stakeholders but particularly the ones that aren't driven by financial imperatives (as important as those things are). This .... Having Griffin charge is no better
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+x+xI dont want the current FFA structure to continue as it is but I also hope FIFA/AFC can see that Griffin and his cronies in charge of the A-league would be just as bad in a different way. Not sure asking for the FFA reps to leave a meeting so they can shit can them with impunity is necessarily a good thing either. FIFA have to get this right, and fast. I hope they listen to all the stakeholders but particularly the ones that aren't driven by financial imperatives (as important as those things are). This .... Having Griffin charge is no better Griffin doesn't have to be in charge. The A-league should be run as a separate entity and they can appoint an administrator to run it as they see fit.
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+x+x+xI dont want the current FFA structure to continue as it is but I also hope FIFA/AFC can see that Griffin and his cronies in charge of the A-league would be just as bad in a different way. Not sure asking for the FFA reps to leave a meeting so they can shit can them with impunity is necessarily a good thing either. FIFA have to get this right, and fast. I hope they listen to all the stakeholders but particularly the ones that aren't driven by financial imperatives (as important as those things are). This .... Having Griffin charge is no better Griffin doesn't have to be in charge. The A-league should be run as a separate entity and they can appoint an administrator to run it as they see fit. Playing devils advocate , lets see who leads the charge ... What if they do appoint an administrator and its Griffin , or one of his mates ?
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RBBAnonymous
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+x+x+x+xI dont want the current FFA structure to continue as it is but I also hope FIFA/AFC can see that Griffin and his cronies in charge of the A-league would be just as bad in a different way. Not sure asking for the FFA reps to leave a meeting so they can shit can them with impunity is necessarily a good thing either. FIFA have to get this right, and fast. I hope they listen to all the stakeholders but particularly the ones that aren't driven by financial imperatives (as important as those things are). This .... Having Griffin charge is no better Griffin doesn't have to be in charge. The A-league should be run as a separate entity and they can appoint an administrator to run it as they see fit. Playing devils advocate , lets see who leads the charge ... What if they do appoint an administrator and its Griffin , or one of his mates ? Well that administrator would serve those clubs in the competition as it should be, not the other way around.
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Geez im sick of this ,Don't want HAL clubs in charge, garbage ,some people persist with.
If a proper congress is put in place and yes that is a congress supported by HAL clubs.....Noone will have a majority holding to rule as dictators like Lowy and his cronies.
It's a simple concept,HAL clubs wont be in charge of FFA!
Nobody wants that including fans and HAL clubs themselves.
What virtually everyone ,except FFA cronies and apologists want is to get rid off this cancer that is destroying football in Australia to feed its own ego.
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+x+x+x+x+xI dont want the current FFA structure to continue as it is but I also hope FIFA/AFC can see that Griffin and his cronies in charge of the A-league would be just as bad in a different way. Not sure asking for the FFA reps to leave a meeting so they can shit can them with impunity is necessarily a good thing either. FIFA have to get this right, and fast. I hope they listen to all the stakeholders but particularly the ones that aren't driven by financial imperatives (as important as those things are). This .... Having Griffin charge is no better Griffin doesn't have to be in charge. The A-league should be run as a separate entity and they can appoint an administrator to run it as they see fit. Playing devils advocate , lets see who leads the charge ... What if they do appoint an administrator and its Griffin , or one of his mates ? Well that administrator would serve those clubs in the competition as it should be, not the other way around. Gallop will be available
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Why do people still talk like these are all Griffin's demands and not those of the owners?
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The best way to maximise the A-League is to have those who put their money on the line running it.
The FFA seems to be more and more out of touch.
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The A-League shouldn't be run by the clubs or the FFA, it should be run by professional sports administrators in consultation with the clubs. Take the EPL for example - the Premier League is an independent corporation run by a CEO (not affiliated to any club), with the clubs as shareholders. Major decisions are voted on by the clubs at each AGM, but individual club owners etc are not involved in the day to day running of the League. This is done by relevant professional employed by the Premier League corporate entity.
The FA is also not involved, they are responsible for the overall administration and development of the game in England, they're not preoccupied with running the League. Likewise the EFL is a seperate corporate entity run by a CEO in consultation with the Board.
The FFA is responsible for the overall administration and development of football in Australia, but what have they done for grass roots since they swept aside the mangled carcass of Soccer Australia? They've focused on the professional game at the expense of pretty much every other tier of football in Australia, and now even the professional clubs are revolting.
And Stephen Lowy should never have been allowed to just succeed his father as Chairman of the FFA Board - what is this the freaking Roman Empire?
May as well bring back Tony Labbozzetta and David Hill.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI dont want the current FFA structure to continue as it is but I also hope FIFA/AFC can see that Griffin and his cronies in charge of the A-league would be just as bad in a different way. Not sure asking for the FFA reps to leave a meeting so they can shit can them with impunity is necessarily a good thing either. FIFA have to get this right, and fast. I hope they listen to all the stakeholders but particularly the ones that aren't driven by financial imperatives (as important as those things are). This .... Having Griffin charge is no better Griffin doesn't have to be in charge. The A-league should be run as a separate entity and they can appoint an administrator to run it as they see fit. Playing devils advocate , lets see who leads the charge ... What if they do appoint an administrator and its Griffin , or one of his mates ? Well that administrator would serve those clubs in the competition as it should be, not the other way around. Gallop will be available I am sure when the Congress is sorted out they won't vote for him.
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+xThe A-League shouldn't be run by the clubs or the FFA, it should be run by professional sports administrators in consultation with the clubs. Take the EPL for example - the Premier League is an independent corporation run by a CEO (not affiliated to any club), with the clubs as shareholders. Major decisions are voted on by the clubs at each AGM, but individual club owners etc are not involved in the day to day running of the League. This is done by relevant professional employed by the Premier League corporate entity.The FA is also not involved, they are responsible for the overall administration and development of the game in England, they're not preoccupied with running the League. Likewise the EFL is a seperate corporate entity run by a CEO in consultation with the Board.The FFA is responsible for the overall administration and development of football in Australia, but what have they done for grass roots since they swept aside the mangled carcass of Soccer Australia? They've focused on the professional game at the expense of pretty much every other tier of football in Australia, and now even the professional clubs are revolting.And Stephen Lowy should never have been allowed to just succeed his father as Chairman of the FFA Board - what is this the freaking Roman Empire?May as well bring back Tony Labbozzetta and David Hill. Most sensible post in this thread.
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The clubs are asking for an independent A League which means independent of the FFA and independent of the clubs. It’s not that hard to understand and is consistent with pretty much all but two leagues in the world - the A league and MLS.
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Fuck the FFA
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+xThe A-League shouldn't be run by the clubs or the FFA, it should be run by professional sports administrators in consultation with the clubs. Take the EPL for example - the Premier League is an independent corporation run by a CEO (not affiliated to any club), with the clubs as shareholders. Major decisions are voted on by the clubs at each AGM, but individual club owners etc are not involved in the day to day running of the League. This is done by relevant professional employed by the Premier League corporate entity. The FA is also not involved, they are responsible for the overall administration and development of the game in England, they're not preoccupied with running the League. Likewise the EFL is a seperate corporate entity run by a CEO in consultation with the Board. The FFA is responsible for the overall administration and development of football in Australia, but what have they done for grass roots since they swept aside the mangled carcass of Soccer Australia? They've focused on the professional game at the expense of pretty much every other tier of football in Australia, and now even the professional clubs are revolting. And Stephen Lowy should never have been allowed to just succeed his father as Chairman of the FFA Board - what is this the freaking Roman Empire? May as well bring back Tony Labbozzetta and David Hill. Excellent post!
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+x+xThe A-League shouldn't be run by the clubs or the FFA, it should be run by professional sports administrators in consultation with the clubs. Take the EPL for example - the Premier League is an independent corporation run by a CEO (not affiliated to any club), with the clubs as shareholders. Major decisions are voted on by the clubs at each AGM, but individual club owners etc are not involved in the day to day running of the League. This is done by relevant professional employed by the Premier League corporate entity. The FA is also not involved, they are responsible for the overall administration and development of the game in England, they're not preoccupied with running the League. Likewise the EFL is a seperate corporate entity run by a CEO in consultation with the Board. The FFA is responsible for the overall administration and development of football in Australia, but what have they done for grass roots since they swept aside the mangled carcass of Soccer Australia? They've focused on the professional game at the expense of pretty much every other tier of football in Australia, and now even the professional clubs are revolting. And Stephen Lowy should never have been allowed to just succeed his father as Chairman of the FFA Board - what is this the freaking Roman Empire? May as well bring back Tony Labbozzetta and David Hill. Excellent post! Correct ! Believe me they have forgotten our youth and allowed NPL clubs to do what ever they want with impunity. Its the wild west there are no rules no governance. My posts on the state of youth football are factual.
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+x+xThe A-League shouldn't be run by the clubs or the FFA, it should be run by professional sports administrators in consultation with the clubs. Take the EPL for example - the Premier League is an independent corporation run by a CEO (not affiliated to any club), with the clubs as shareholders. Major decisions are voted on by the clubs at each AGM, but individual club owners etc are not involved in the day to day running of the League. This is done by relevant professional employed by the Premier League corporate entity.The FA is also not involved, they are responsible for the overall administration and development of the game in England, they're not preoccupied with running the League. Likewise the EFL is a seperate corporate entity run by a CEO in consultation with the Board.The FFA is responsible for the overall administration and development of football in Australia, but what have they done for grass roots since they swept aside the mangled carcass of Soccer Australia? They've focused on the professional game at the expense of pretty much every other tier of football in Australia, and now even the professional clubs are revolting.And Stephen Lowy should never have been allowed to just succeed his father as Chairman of the FFA Board - what is this the freaking Roman Empire?May as well bring back Tony Labbozzetta and David Hill. Most sensible post in this thread. Agree, also in Australia they (FFA) are not pre-occupied with running the league either , last year they only got involved because of TV dollars, once that was sown up they went out to lunch
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI dont want the current FFA structure to continue as it is but I also hope FIFA/AFC can see that Griffin and his cronies in charge of the A-league would be just as bad in a different way. Not sure asking for the FFA reps to leave a meeting so they can shit can them with impunity is necessarily a good thing either. FIFA have to get this right, and fast. I hope they listen to all the stakeholders but particularly the ones that aren't driven by financial imperatives (as important as those things are). This .... Having Griffin charge is no better Griffin doesn't have to be in charge. The A-league should be run as a separate entity and they can appoint an administrator to run it as they see fit. Playing devils advocate , lets see who leads the charge ... What if they do appoint an administrator and its Griffin , or one of his mates ? Well that administrator would serve those clubs in the competition as it should be, not the other way around. Gallop will be available #scenes
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