New York City, Vancouver, Seattle, Atlanta, dc united and maybe a few others play in huge stadiums but they close off the top tiers, occasionally for the odd blockbuster they open the lot if they're confident of a sell out. Nobody trully believes Yankee stadium only fits 27k lol.

The MLS has proved building stadiums for your crowd potential works well from the table below its easy to see they have reasonably full stadiums...just a couple of points Atlanta & Seattle have played at larger stadiums for some games which adds to their overall % being so high....also the Columbus Crew wants to move to a larger stadium in a better location..

However it does highlight the point Waz was making... 

  

Team	Crowd Average	Stadium Capicity	% Capacity
Atlanta United FC	48,200	43,000	112 .1
Chicago Fire	17,383	20,000	86.7
Colorado Rapids	15,322	17,424	87.9
Columbus Crew SC	15,439	19,868	77.7
DC United	18,157	20,000	90.7
FC Dallas	15,122	20,500	73.8
Houston Dynamo	17,500	22,039	79.4
Los Angeles Galaxy	22,246	27,000	82.4
Minnesota United FC	20,538	19,400	106
Montreal Impact	20,046	20,801	96.4
New England Revolution	19,367	20,000	96.8
New York City FC	22,321	27,528	89.3
New York Red Bulls	21,175	25,000	84.7
Orlando City SC	25,028	25,000	100
Philadelphia Union	16,812	18,500	90.9
Portland Timbers	21,144	21,144	100
Real Salt Lake	18,781	20,213	92.9
San Jose Earthquakes	19,875	18,000	110
Seattle Sounders FC	43,666	39,115	112
Sporting Kansas City	19,537	18,467	106
Toronto FC	27,647	30,000	92.2
Vancouver Whitecaps FC	21,467	21,000	102
Average	22,124	23, 368	94.7

Would love Boutique stadiums as an alternative to Roar, Sydney and the Phoenix. However, it just won't happen. The Phoenix tried building one in Petone but it was scraped. The Roar and Sydney both are in locations that are central and every other option just makes it problematic for the team. If teams had them It would certainly put to bed crowd numbers.  

Doesn’t matter how many Empoli fans live outside of Empoli. They play in a 16k capacity stadium and average 10k ... that seems appropriate. That was the point being made, by bringing up Empoli some people have been trying to undermine what Maccarone has said when in fact it reinforces the very point he was trying to make - teams who draw small crowds should play in small stadiums. Where’s the argument with that. We should be more like Empoli.

Again you are comparing the incomparable. Football fandom in Italy is multi-generational. Many Empoli fans likely live outside Empoli in Florence, Livorno etc for work and travel 30-45 minutes to the game. They would support Empoli because they were born there, or their parents/ Grandparents were fans. 

Yeah but nah, SydneyFC

Empoli average crowds of almost 10k in a 16k stadium.

He’s just pointing out the bleeding obvious, we’re putting similar crowds into stadiums 2 or 3 times that size.

Many people have said it in the past - we need boutique stadiums.

Shouldn’t be shooting the messenger - and especially not shooting him ignoring the facts behind what he’s saying.

And Florence has a team of it’s own - but again it’s funny how people say The Gong should have its own team and not be expected to support a new Southern Sydney team but somehow people then think people in Florence should not follow their existing home team and go for Empoli instead.

It’s twisted logic - football is established in Italy, it’s not Australia where fans are more “sports fans” than soccer fans and drift between big games in each code. European football culture is one where you follow your team not your neighbours.

Shouldn't have got me started. 

Apples and oranges. Italy lives and breathes football. Empoli were in one of the worlds top leagues last season and I imagine there would be sizeable away support at each home match. 

Plus you can't compare population statistics for a 'city' to a wider metropolitan region. Empoli is part of the wider metropolitan area of Florence, which has a population of over 1 million. When people say Sydney has a population over over 5 million that generally includes places like Gosford, Wollongong, sometimes even Newcastle. 

@Davide82.

yeah, nah, maybe. I don’t think I’d have paid as much attention to the story though so fair call ...

I think I’m on record as saying Brisbane should be averaging 18k and so too SFC/WSW with their non derby crowds.

Plenty of people have been saying Brisbane play in a stadium that’s too big and get crowds that are too small. After visiting City and Nix away and two home games that’s all Maccarone has said too, so why the attack dogs?

Empoli has a population of 48,000 and averages nearly 10,000 ..... and plays in a 16,000 capacity stadium.

Surely Nix would be better in a 16,000 capacity stadium, and City?? And Roar.

How good did 11.5k look in Perth compared to 11.5k in Brisbane over the weekend?

If anyone but a Brisbane player had said the same you would be saying the opposite.

@ sydneyfc

Empoli has a population of 48,000 - Gosforth even looks big in comparison.

Brisbane has a population of 2 million and Sydney 5 million. All Maccarone has done is say the Emperor has no clothes and Australian football fans are getting bent out of shape 😂

The funny thing is his last club Empoli had smaller crowds than Brisbane last year (9, 483 average in 16-17), despite being in one of the world's top leagues. 

:laugh: I'm thinking it won't get much better than that considering how bad Brisbane are playing. Even the fixtures for Victory and Sydney will likely only pull 14-15k max I reckon, depending on whether Brisbane get their shit together. 

Is that up to Maccarone's standards?

Thought we had more than 11.5k yesterday to be honest. Maybe the rumours of under reporting are true.

11,000 was about right. The stadium is full in parts but what is televised is a mixture of people and empty seats. Suncorp awesome location but just too big in Roars current status. I imagine another QLD team could be a reality if it counters playing out of this giant stadium.

Fuck off there was.

Roar v Mariners = 11,485

Great to see the Glory slowly getting back to where they should be

Glory 11,049

Jets vs Nix = 6,258

Exactly.

Premiers. Champions. Record breakers. 'Glamour club'.

11k.

you had 4 months between home games and got 11k in round 1

Excuses excuses excuses

Fri W-league - @MelbourneCity v @gomvfc at @AAMIPark -
Attendance: 3,510

Fri W-league - @wswanderersfc
 v @AUFCWomen at Marconi Stadium - Attendance: 532

Quite a few seasons ago now the stat came out that about 25% of members don't turn up in any given week and that was a League wide average.  I'd be surprised if that isn't still the case.

No one is there at this game

I don't know how many times I have said this but people tend to always forget the element of consecutive home games and the effect it has. Sydney has played 3 home games in a row! With the derby being wedged in the middle. So it is extremely unlikely that the same fans are going to 3 home games in a row. Attendance fatigue can set in. It's not as if it's a different set of fans attending all 3 games, the majority would of the fans there are the one's that went the week before, however  proportion say 30-40% will not go to 3 home games in a row. It's just not plausible.

If the 3 latest home games had been spread out over 5-6 week period the crowds would have been boosted. No doubt about it. The next home game is against the Jets in 2 weeks time, which will mean 3 weeks since the last home game. It will get the biggest crowd of the season (bar the derby) by quite some margin.

City vs Sydney = 11,034

A large portion of Mariners fans are families with children so 7PM on Sunday night is a horrific time slot for us. Considering Gosford is a commuter town plenty of people would need to get up early the next morning so would be unable to go so late. A few years of poor results and a shackling by Newcastle in the first round wouldn't have helped either. We are capable of good crowds and averaging above 10,000 but a combination of terrible time slots and poor results lead to our small crowd.

There is a new feature called a Mute mechanism.

Contact the moderator McJules. He will explain how to activate this to block/mute annoying posters, often who troll and target specific people. It is like giving them a red card. You don't see what they post. It is like they disappear from the forum - permanently.

I'm very disappointed at this low figure.

I think CCM are good to watch ATM.

There seem to be few CCM fans who post here anymore.