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+x+x"West chairman Alex Alexandrou says the club is preparing a sole A-League bid but is always open to talks with City about a joint bid." Bloody hell. Joint bids are cancer. -PB This.
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It's just the legacy of setting up a league with basically state teams.
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+x+xGreat crowd but no excuses it was a nice night, it's the 8.30pm starts in winter that destroys everyone. I was thinking about how much the weather changes through the season. The first few rounds I can find a nice spot on the hill behind the goals and watch an NPL game as the sun goes down. Ten rounds in and I've got 7 layers of clothes and still freezing! That's part of what I love about it though. Turin says Hi 
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+x+x"West chairman Alex Alexandrou says the club is preparing a sole A-League bid but is always open to talks with City about a joint bid." Bloody hell. Joint bids are cancer. -PB Just a different type of Cancer
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Anybody attend the AAFC roadshow in Brisbane Monday night?
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+xAnybody attend the AAFC roadshow in Brisbane Monday night? I wanted to, but was recording The Pecking Order Show.
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Production quality clearly not the focus :D
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NPL Capital Football clubs keen to form Canberra side for national second divisionNPL Capital Football clubs will likely join forces to compete in a proposed national second division after they met with the Australian Association of Football Clubs on Wednesday. The AAFC formed last year to ensure concerns harboured by NPL clubs as to how the game was being run nationally, were heard by Football Federation Australia.  NPL Capital Football clubs will likely join forces to enter a Canberra side in a proposed national second division. Photo: Rohan ThomsonThey're also determined to establish a national second division for men and women and establish a promotion and relegation system with the A-League by the 2019-20 season. The FFA and the state member federations agreed to explore establishing a second division and will create a joint working group with the AAFC. All eight NPL Capital Football clubs are members of the AAFC and support a Canberra team competing in a national second division. Tuggeranong United president Jon Thiele is the ACT representative for the AAFC and said the second division blueprint was well received by clubs on Wednesday. "All the Canberra clubs are certainly keen on it, they just want a better pathway for our youth because it's a big jump from NPL to A-League," Thiele said. "The national second division allows clubs to have a more direct pathway to the A-League and there's sound financial model behind it. "Only one or two clubs in Canberra could go it alone, but there is a consensus the clubs could join forces to create their own franchise." The financial model includes a $2.5 million budget, which is hoped will come from sponsors, to be shared between a men's and women's team. The budget includes a firm $1 million salary cap but how that money is split between the men and women will be at the discretion of each club. "I know $2.5 million sounds like a lot, but it really isn't," Thiele said. "This is a competition that will have between 12 and 16 teams and it will be a genuine national competition with sides from Perth, Tasmania and Far North Queensland, so the biggest cost is travel." The FFA are set to reveal A-League expansion plans for the 2019-20 and a Canberra consortium are preparing to bid for a licence. If they miss out they'll then turn their attention to the second division competition, which the AAFC hopes will play curtain-raisers for A-League matches. Thieles argued Canberra should invest in a women's second division side, despite the capital already having a team in the W-League. "There is a big jump from playing in the Canberra competition to playing W-League and this would lessen that jump," Thiele said. "Local girls would see a much clearer pathway instead of thinking they'll never make the W-League, they'll focus on making the second division and building their career from there." Meanwhile, Capital Football, Football NSW and Northern NSW Football have joined forces to launched the Football Facilities Audit. The audit will assess the federations 1200 existing football venues and determine future facility needs for soccer. The information to be used to apply for federal and state government funding.
NPL Capital Football clubs keen to form Canberra side for national second division
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Thats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off.
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+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. Agendas
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I find it hard to believe Canberra FC and Olympic would go in together on a rep team. Other clubs like Monaro are too young to pull much weight. Likes of Tuggers and Belconnen SC not strong enough either. Bunda's a park team. I don't see it happening.
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+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. This is what has David so spooked about a second div and hence so keen to kill it off. He knows if it gets a foothold then clubs will be fools not to go in to the Championship and wait it out until pro-rel. Especially considering they wouldn't be paying inflated license fees, and will have a superior club owned league structure.= instead of handing over the IP to FFA.
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+x+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. This is what has David so spooked about a second div and hence so keen to kill it off. He knows if it gets a foothold then clubs will be fools not to go in to the Championship and wait it out until pro-rel. Especially considering they wouldn't be paying inflated license fees, and will have a superior club owned league structure.= instead of handing over the IP to FFA. This was always going to happen with the advent of the FFA Cup. PaulC was right, 3 years tops until total meltdown and people started waking up again.
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FFA and Fox will pick the expansion venues, probably mainly Fox. Both are more interested in business and making money than they are in growing football, neither are run by football people.
So, I'm expecting that the A-League expansion criteria will be vague enough, but also Syd/Mel/Bris skewed enough for them to dictate that. Fox will be looking for regions that they think they can squeeze some more subscriptions out of more than anything, while FFA will be looking for the bid with the biggest financial banking/tycoon etc backers. This already makes it hard for npl clubs as ffa are more impressed with someone saying they have all of these chinese banking backers who promise they'll build this and that than a club with 2k members who have been around for 50 years even if they are super financially stable and own their own ground. I wouldn't be surprised if one of their unspoken criteria is no npl clubs for fear that it will open a floodgate of others demanding entry.
They'll probably be looking for a new franchise, and one with a distinct geographic location. If there is one thing that Heart Vs WSW would have taught them is that just making another generic club in a city which isn't linked to any sense of geographic parochialism will flounder about for years.
There will be a lot of talk about anyone and everyone being in with a chance. A lot of encouragement. However, the process is probably already over before the expansion criteria are released at all. I hope I'm wrong about all of this, but transparency and honesty aren't two characteristics that spring to mind when i think of the FFA.
Another problem with a 2nd Div is that I don't really believe that the FFA are honest in their support. They might see it as a fan and sponsorship drain, especially in the cities that have A-League clubs. In that respect I expect them to stall the process for as long as possible and to put up all sorts of impossible criteria if we want their support. Accepting money from them will also probably come with all sorts of strings attached as well.
1m cap is nothing...also, the women already have a team in the top flight, so how about we focus on getting the men a top team before thinking about spending money on a womens 2nd div team...
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+xI find it hard to believe Canberra FC and Olympic would go in together on a rep team. Other clubs like Monaro are too young to pull much weight. Likes of Tuggers and Belconnen SC not strong enough either. Bunda's a park team. I don't see it happening. I feel like they can move to a different stadium if need be. Much of their buying power should naturally increase in a second tier.
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+x+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. This is what has David so spooked about a second div and hence so keen to kill it off. He knows if it gets a foothold then clubs will be fools not to go in to the Championship and wait it out until pro-rel. Especially considering they wouldn't be paying inflated license fees, and will have a superior club owned league structure.= instead of handing over the IP to FFA. This is exactly right. We often find it hard to believe or understand the decisions made by the FFA, but it's actually quite simple. If you look at everything with the mindset that the absolute number 1 priority is to protect the A-League (and by extension the FFA that protects it), things make sense. Through that lens, things like a 2nd Division that seem like a logical next step in footballs development, actually look like a threat from FFA's point of view. If you want people to support an A-League club, you don't offer them alternatives in a different league. Same as the congress issue, where a reasonable person on the outside would say that more votes across more groups leads to a more democratic outcome, FFA sees it as a threat to the control they have and therefore a threat to the A-League. I honestly think that the Lowys and Gallop believe they are the only ones capable of holding football together, and they must do everything in their power to keep it that way.
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+x+x+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. This is what has David so spooked about a second div and hence so keen to kill it off. He knows if it gets a foothold then clubs will be fools not to go in to the Championship and wait it out until pro-rel. Especially considering they wouldn't be paying inflated license fees, and will have a superior club owned league structure.= instead of handing over the IP to FFA. This is exactly right. We often find it hard to believe or understand the decisions made by the FFA, but it's actually quite simple. If you look at everything with the mindset that the absolute number 1 priority is to protect the A-League (and by extension the FFA that protects it), things make sense. Through that lens, things like a 2nd Division that seem like a logical next step in footballs development, actually look like a threat from FFA's point of view. If you want people to support an A-League club, you don't offer them alternatives in a different league. Franchising 101, don't give the competition a leg-up FFA were dragged kicking and screaming to create the FFA Cup, and all that has done is proved the threat is very real, exposing the polished turd.
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+x+x+x+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. This is what has David so spooked about a second div and hence so keen to kill it off. He knows if it gets a foothold then clubs will be fools not to go in to the Championship and wait it out until pro-rel. Especially considering they wouldn't be paying inflated license fees, and will have a superior club owned league structure.= instead of handing over the IP to FFA. This is exactly right. We often find it hard to believe or understand the decisions made by the FFA, but it's actually quite simple. If you look at everything with the mindset that the absolute number 1 priority is to protect the A-League (and by extension the FFA that protects it), things make sense. Through that lens, things like a 2nd Division that seem like a logical next step in footballs development, actually look like a threat from FFA's point of view. If you want people to support an A-League club, you don't offer them alternatives in a different league. Franchising 101, don't give the competition a leg-up FFA were dragged kicking and screaming to create the FFA Cup, and all that has done is proved the threat is very real, exposing the polished turd. FFA cup matches with state clubs were rating better than HAL teams currently are so they would be shitting themselves. This is also why South Melbourne has no chance as they will instantly have a bigger fanbase & attendance than MC, plus MV would also leak members.
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+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. If the two proposed new HAL clubs can play in a second division from next season, it'll at least give us something to get excited about. Next season with the same 10 clubs, recycled journeymen and small crowds is going to be hard to watch.
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+x+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. If the two proposed new HAL clubs can play in a second division from next season, it'll at least give us something to get excited about. Next season with the same 10 clubs, recycled journeymen and small crowds is going to be hard to watch. Therein lies the problem, a second division would be more interesting than the HAL to most football fans and the catastrophic decline in HAL attendance and tv viewers would become terminal!
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+x+x+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. If the two proposed new HAL clubs can play in a second division from next season, it'll at least give us something to get excited about. Next season with the same 10 clubs, recycled journeymen and small crowds is going to be hard to watch. Therein lies the problem, a second division would be more interesting than the HAL to most football fans and the catastrophic decline in HAL attendance and tv viewers would become terminal! When you link them up it suddenly all becomes interesting again.
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+x+x+x+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. If the two proposed new HAL clubs can play in a second division from next season, it'll at least give us something to get excited about. Next season with the same 10 clubs, recycled journeymen and small crowds is going to be hard to watch. Therein lies the problem, a second division would be more interesting than the HAL to most football fans and the catastrophic decline in HAL attendance and tv viewers would become terminal! When you link them up it suddenly all becomes interesting again. yes true but this will take a little while and what we'd all dearly wish for. First there needs to be the clean up, or the downfall what Lowy/Gallop protect the AL. Like I said in your SM thread, why would you want to be part of the AL, your club is mad. Tell your committee to STFU and just help get this Div 2 comp up and running.
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+x+x+x+x+xThats a massive tipping point for mine. This appears to me to be an acceptance that the Aleague is not the right place to be a new club .Seems its destined to be 10 clubs for a long time and the AAFC second division is the place to be. I would not be surprised if it takes off. If the two proposed new HAL clubs can play in a second division from next season, it'll at least give us something to get excited about. Next season with the same 10 clubs, recycled journeymen and small crowds is going to be hard to watch. Therein lies the problem, a second division would be more interesting than the HAL to most football fans and the catastrophic decline in HAL attendance and tv viewers would become terminal! When you link them up it suddenly all becomes interesting again. yes true but this will take a little while and what we'd all dearly wish for. First there needs to be the clean up, or the downfall what Lowy/Gallop protect the AL. Like I said in your SM thread, why would you want to be part of the AL, your club is mad. Tell your committee to STFU and just help get this Div 2 comp up and running. This . Id be pushing the 2nd div super hard.
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+x[quote]Another problem with a 2nd Div is that I don't really believe that the FFA are honest in their support. They might see it as a fan and sponsorship drain, especially in the cities that have A-League clubs. In that respect I expect them to stall the process for as long as possible and to put up all sorts of impossible criteria if we want their support. Accepting money from them will also probably come with all sorts of strings attached as well. I think if a 1st and 2nd connected it would help both. Australia is #unique. In Australia people tend to follow league (while following their team). There is a chance you would get many crossover viewers. In many places fans refuse to watch other teams.
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Agreed promotion/relegation would spice up the league as people would be watching 3 ends. Who comes at the top, who faces relegation, and who is at the top of 2nd div for the play offs. It means in effect 2 finals season at the end of the regular season.I'm not sure when the current franchise licenses expire, as there is probably an exclusivity clause in there, but after that there must be pro/rel. Until it is a real thing there should be an end of year wooden spooners vs 2nd champ home and away games so that they can gauge their quality, even if it means little.
There needs to be meaningful transfer fees system so 2nd div teams can get something back for developing talent, otherwise there is the risk that it will become a retirement park for journeymen, like the A league is guilty of at times. I'd also like it to be as pro as possible to raise the standard as much as possible across the nation. Nabbout took off in the lower league of malaysia because he was playing and training full time in a competitive way, not in a amateur npl team. Seriously, if it can become as good as the malaysian or phillipino leagues that would be incredible.
A model I can see the FFA coming up with is of each of the A-League clubs reserve teams becoming 2nd Div teams by stealth. Rename them, or even have them in different locales, so for example Victory's reserve team is called Geelong Patriots and MC's is Casey-Donavon Demons FC etc etc That way FFA and the A-League clubs can keep control of the whole game, and any money given or earned goes back to the same franchise owners. Don't get me wrong, this is not an idea I think is good. In fact I think it is a rotten idea as it locks more football people out and concentrates power into fewer hands...but that is the ffa way. All I can see is FFA trying to scuttle a 2nd div because they won't have control of it.
As you can guess I don't trust ffa and think they are a bunch of try-hard sneaky, 'want to be football' but worry too much about getting grass stains on their suits incompetent ivory tower self-licking icecreams
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You can also add top 6 or eventual top 8 to the top, bottom and promotion.
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TheSelectFew You will love this article and goes to the heart of what you have been saying for the last couple of years... enjoy mate... also keep up the good work on those stats... http://footballtoday.news/features/enter-the-npl
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and a good article in the link above interviewing PL1 Sutherland Sharks President. http://footballtoday.news/features/a-place-called-home
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