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jlm8695 - 1 May 2018 3:28 PM
High speed rail network would be quite nice right now. 

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aufc_ole - 1 May 2018 4:34 PM
paladisious - 1 May 2018 2:25 PM

Is that $399 each way??

you'd think they'd charge more to get out of Melbourne

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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paladisious - 1 May 2018 2:25 PM


Is that $399 each way??
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High speed rail network would be quite nice right now. 
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Unless they work out a way to make this a tunnel I can see it being vehemently opposed by many, including me. The both proposed paths I have seen go straight through a national park and/or highly valued park land in the the Sutherland and St George areas.
I would much rather the government find ways of stimulating Wollongong and the south coast so that the people that live there actually work in Wollongong and the south coast. 
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I give up formatting it. If below is too hard to read go to the link and read it.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydneys-missing-f6-motor-link-to-the-south-on-road-to-reality/news-story/d63ec6bc66e69fa87261b395891e625b

Sydney’s missing F6 motor link to the south on road to reality
AFTER 50 years on the drawing board, the state government has started work on the missing link to Sydney’s south — the F6 motorway to Sutherland.
Investigation work is currently under way to determine the route for the F6 motorway, now dubbed SouthConnex, which would link the M1 Princes Motorway near Waterfall with the rest of the Sydney motorway network.Roads and Maritime Services engineers have been carrying out geotechnical analysis for the past month near Brighton-Le-Sands, San Souci and Taren Point.
AFTER 50 years on the drawing board, the state government has started work on the missing link to Sydney’s south — the F6 motorway to Sutherland.Investigation work is currently under way to determine the route for the F6 motorway, now dubbed SouthConnex, which would link the M1 Princes Motorway near Waterfall with the rest of the Sydney motorway network.Roads and Maritime Services engineers have been carrying out geotechnical analysis for the past month near Brighton-Le-Sands, San Souci and Taren Point.
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Work begins underneath the Captain Cook Bridge as part of the Bradfield F6 project.
The underground testing currently being carried out along the corridor from President Ave in Kogarah, Taren Point, Loftus and at Waterfall involves drilling a small diameter hole — about the size of an orange — to extract a rock core sample which is used for scientific testing and analysis.
If built, the link would allow long-suffering motorists from southern Sydney to avoid 60 sets of traffic lights between the Princes Highway at Loftus and St Peters.The NRMA, which is backing the construction of the motorway, is calling on both the federal and NSW governments to finally commit to, and build, SouthConnex — formerly the F6 Extension — to provide much-needed relief from the congestion choking local roads and finish this long overdue missing link in Sydney’s transport infrastructure.
NRMA analysis of data from 2013-14 to 2015-16 found travel times between Kogarah to Caringbah are 9 per cent slower in the morning and 16 per cent slower in the afternoon/evening, while from Princes Highway at Heathcote to Blakehurst they are 13 per cent slower in the morning and 20 per cent slower in the afternoon/evening.
NRMA President Kyle Loades said SouthConnex would deliver vast benefits to families in southern Sydney and the Illawarra while providing a major boost to the local economy.“Sydney’s boundless potential as a benchmark for what the cities of the future should look like to the rest of the world can and should be realised by putting innovation at the heart of our infrastructure development — and SouthConnex is a great place to start,” Mr Loades said.“As more freight is delivered to Port Kembla and Port Botany and as Sydney prepares to welcome WestConnex and NorthConnex, (the case for) finishing SouthConnex to get heavy vehicles off our surface roads and fast-track the delivery of goods and services will be strengthened ever further.
The underground testing currently being carried out along the corridor from President Ave in Kogarah, Taren Point, Loftus and at Waterfall involves drilling a small diameter hole — about the size of an orange — to extract a rock core sample which is used for scientific testing and analysis.
If built, the link would allow long-suffering motorists from southern Sydney to avoid 60 sets of traffic lights between the Princes Highway at Loftus and St Peters.The NRMA, which is backing the construction of the motorway, is calling on both the federal and NSW governments to finally commit to, and build, SouthConnex — formerly the F6 Extension — to provide much-needed relief from the congestion choking local roads and finish this long overdue missing link in Sydney’s transport infrastructure.
NRMA analysis of data from 2013-14 to 2015-16 found travel times between Kogarah to Caringbah are 9 per cent slower in the morning and 16 per cent slower in the afternoon/evening, while from Princes Highway at Heathcote to Blakehurst they are 13 per cent slower in the morning and 20 per cent slower in the afternoon/evening.
NRMA President Kyle Loades said SouthConnex would deliver vast benefits to families in southern Sydney and the Illawarra while providing a major boost to the local economy.
“Sydney’s boundless potential as a benchmark for what the cities of the future should look like to the rest of the world can and should be realised by putting innovation at the heart of our infrastructure development — and SouthConnex is a great place to start,” Mr Loades said.
“As more freight is delivered to Port Kembla and Port Botany and as Sydney prepares to welcome WestConnex and NorthConnex, (the case for) finishing SouthConnex to get heavy vehicles off our surface roads and fast-track the delivery of goods and services will be strengthened ever further.
The proposed route for the F6 corridor.
The proposed route for the F6 corridor.“However, at the most basic level it’s about getting our members home to their families faster and safer.“This project has been in the pipeline for decades and I can’t think of a better reason to make it a reality.
”SouthConnex would link up with the 33km WestConnex system set for completion in 2023 and could allow motorists to traverse Sydney without having to travel above ground, dramatically reducing travel times and easing congestion
.A corridor of land has been reserved for the motorway since 1954, which should minimise headaches for the government on the project.Mr Loades also urged the government to adopt the latest in intelligent transport systems when building SouthConnex, including using data sensors to record real-time traffic flows, variable messaging signs and metered ramp entry on to the motorway to make sure taxpayers got bang for their buck.University of Sydney Business School founding director of Institute of Transport and Logistics Studies Professor David Hensher said SouthConnex needed to be built.“That particular corridor is very congested.
Some say the rail corridor needs to be beefed up but I cannot see how that will be enough to cater for the population growth down there,” Prof Hensher said.A report using the information gathered from the investigation works will be compiled and will become part of a business case for the new motorway.
Minister for Roads Duncan Gay said the state government was delivering on its promise to do the work and see if SouthConnex was a viable project.“I have made a point of putting it under a microscope to see if the benefits stack up, just like I did with all of the projects we have under way in NSW,” Mr Gay said.“I look forward to receiving the business case once this work is completed to see where the F6 upgrade ranks as a priority along with all of the other road needs across the state.“In the meantime, we also have the $300 million Gateway to the South program under way busting congestion in the short term.”
“However, at the most basic level it’s about getting our members home to their families faster and safer.“This project has been in the pipeline for decades and I can’t think of a better reason to make it a reality.
”SouthConnex would link up with the 33km WestConnex system set for completion in 2023 and could allow motorists to traverse Sydney without having to travel above ground, dramatically reducing travel times and easing congestion.
A corridor of land has been reserved for the motorway since 1954, which should minimise headaches for the government on the project.Mr Loades also urged the government to adopt the latest in intelligent transport systems when building SouthConnex, including using data sensors to record real-time traffic flows, variable messaging signs and metered ramp entry on to the motorway to make sure taxpayers got bang for their buck.
University of Sydney Business School founding director of Institute of Transport and Logistics Studies Professor David Hensher said SouthConnex needed to be built.“That particular corridor is very congested. Some say the rail corridor needs to be beefed up but I cannot see how that will be enough to cater for the population growth down there,” Prof Hensher said.
A report using the information gathered from the investigation works will be compiled and will become part of a business case for the new motorway.Minister for Roads Duncan Gay said the state government was delivering on its promise to do the work and see if SouthConnex was a viable project.
“I have made a point of putting it under a microscope to see if the benefits stack up, just like I did with all of the projects we have under way in NSW,” Mr Gay said.“I look forward to receiving the business case once this work is completed to see where the F6 upgrade ranks as a priority along with all of the other road needs across the state.“In the meantime, we also have the $300 million Gateway to the South program under way busting congestion in the short term.”
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Patrick Casey with his wife Rose and kids Georgia, and Tommy at their Caringbah home.

Dad Patrick just wants more time with the familyDad Patrick just wants more time with the familyPATRICK CASEY, who has made the tortuous trek from Caringbah to the city for work for more than a decade, says he would love to see the SouthConnex built if it meant less time in traffic and more time with his two young children.
“I am typically out the door at 7am and not home before 7pm, so with them being so young that means they are typically in bed or I only get to spend an hour two with them,” the Assure Wealth managing director said.“If it’s a bad week, I could be spending up to 15 hours in the car.
The Grand Parade and Southern Cross Drive are by far the worst sections of the trip, they are shockers.
”Mr Casey said his battle with traffic was highlighted when he arrived at his daughter’s preschool to pick up her up and the teachers did not know who he was.
“They said, ‘Excuse me, who are you here for?’ That’s when it dawned on me that it was first time I had been able to make it to pick Georgie up from school,” he said.“Georgie is five years old and Tommy is two, so I want to spend as much time with them as I can, and to be able to play with them at home or take them to swimming lessons.
PATRICK CASEY, who has made the tortuous trek from Caringbah to the city for work for more than a decade, says he would love to see the SouthConnex built if it meant less time in traffic and more time with his two young children.
“I am typically out the door at 7am and not home before 7pm, so with them being so young that means they are typically in bed or I only get to spend an hour two with them,” the Assure Wealth managing director said.
“If it’s a bad week, I could be spending up to 15 hours in the car.
The Grand Parade and Southern Cross Drive are by far the worst sections of the trip, they are shockers.”Mr Casey said his battle with traffic was highlighted when he arrived at his daughter’s preschool to pick up her up and the teachers did not know who he was.
“They said, ‘Excuse me, who are you here for?’ That’s when it dawned on me that it was first time I had been able to make it to pick Georgie up from school,” he said.“Georgie is five years old and Tommy is two, so I want to spend as much time with them as I can, and to be able to play with them at home or take them to swimming lessons.”




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24 hour weekend public transport trial extended by 6 months.
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Bill Hoffman | 27th Jul 2016 8:03 AM Updated: 11:44 AM
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A fast rail service from the Gold to the Sunshine Coast are carrots the region's mayors will offer when they announce today a bid for the 2028 Olympic Games.

A FIX for South East Queensland's increasing congestion and transport woes including a fast rail service from the Gold to the Sunshine Coast are carrots the region's mayors will offer when they announce today a bid for the 2028 Olympic Games.

In good news for Sunshine Coast commuters the report has found the fast rail link would first require a commitment to duplication of the North Coast rail between Beerburrum and Landsborough to ensure two 45-minute commutes between the capital and the big satellite regional centres.

The South East Queensland Council of Mayors will release detail of a pre-feasibility study for the bid including benefits that would be the 2028 Olympic legacy.

Australia has not hosted an Olympic Games since the Sydney Olympics in 2000 but Queensland's south east corner is expected to be well on track if it successfully hosts the 2018 Commonwealth games on the Gold Coast.

The needs of that event, still two years off, have helped drive the Gold Coast Light Rail project now entering its second stage.

The joint Olympic Games bid could provide fix for SEQ transport woes.
The joint Olympic Games bid could provide fix for SEQ transport woes.
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News Limited overnight released key details of the Olympic Pre-Feasibility Analysis Report which has found the region has the capacity and capability to host the Games.

The study has assessed the infrastructure needs to support a Games bid finding that big ticket items like a fast rail link between the two Coasts would better help meet future growth challenges regardless of the success or otherwise of the Olympic bid.

A key finding was that even the exercise of bidding for the Games may result in improvements to public transport links.

Sunshine Coast mayor Mark Jamieson will be in Brisbane this afternoon for the report's release.
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/olympic-bid-promises-fast-coast-rail-link/3067927/

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Sydney's planning for 3800 more buses

Ridiculous! First they want trains, light rail and now they want buses too! They dont all go together! :-k
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The role of battery storage and renewables in the mix is really interesting. I almost wish I lived in Salisbury so I could take part in the trial!
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South Australia launches biggest solar + storage trial to defray network costs

SA Power Networks has announced the biggest trial of rooftop solar and energy storage of its type in Australia, in a bid to prove that the new “distributed generation” technologies can avoid the need to build additional network infrastructure, and so save customers money.
The trial by SAPN – the monopoly network provider in the state – will install around 100 Tesla Energy and Samsung batteries at deep discounts and install software from Canberra-based Reposit Power.

SA Power Networks has announced the biggest trial of rooftop solar and energy storage of its type in Australia, in a bid to prove that the new “distributed generation” technologies can avoid the need to build additional network infrastructure, and so save customers money.
The trial by SAPN – the monopoly network provider in the state – will install around 100 Tesla Energy and Samsung batteries at deep discounts and install software from Canberra-based Reposit Power.

Customers wanting to buy an entire system of 3kW of rooftop solar and the 6.4kWh battery storage package will pay just $6,150. If they already have solar and just need the battery, then the cost is just $3,600 – a vast discount on current prices.

Another option is for customers to buy a 3kW rooftop solar system for $2,550, and rent the battery for a $500 upfront bond and a $18.50 fortnight payment over three years. The battery will remain the property of SAPN.

There may be other costs associated with meters (if installing solar for first time), additional electrical works that may be required to support the installation of the system, and an ongoing monthly fee for the monitoring equipment if customers want to use it.

The customers will be guaranteed a minimum $500 saving on their electricity bill.

SAPN chose Tesla and Samsung batteries after an open tender, and SAPN decided they met their specifications. Both will be offering 6.4kWh systems that are currently available in Australia – considered to be the leading battery market in the world.

The trial will also use energy management software provided by Reposit Power, which will help determine the best option for customers in utilising power being generated by their PV panels or stored in their battery, and potentially for trading with the wholesale market at peak times.

The trial – and the buy-in by the network operator – is significant because it helps change the rhetoric about rooftop solar; particularly in a state which recently closed its last coal-fired generator and is leading Australia, indeed the world, in the integration of wind and solar resources.

Instead of being demonised in some quarters as a cost to consumers – courtesy of over-generous feed in tariffs, and despite some obvious network benefits – the combination of solar and storage is seen as a big benefit to individual and other consumers, due to savings on networks costs and wholesale markets.

Roberts says the combinations of solar PV, battery storage and grid connections are the “future of energy provision”. Indeed, studies suggest that up to $400 billion will be invested by customers over the next few decades in rooftop solar and battery storage.

“With the right settings and approach they will provide benefits for customers and to us as managers of the network and also help contain long–term network costs for customers,” he said.

“We are excited about the future and the opportunities due to advancements in solar and storage technology. We think our distribution network will be a vital component in helping our customers and our state to derive the greatest benefit from investment in these technologies.

“The trial gives us an opportunity to explore the customer, technological and capability impacts on our regulated network business.”

But the trial also has broader implications, both for the design of new energy systems and for the uptake of solar and storage, and for the management of networks and the future of current business models, both for those networks and for the operators of centralised fossil fuel generators and the retailers.

One issue is around the ability of networks to access the “consumer” market and make offers to customers on solar and storage to help defray costs. A recent study by Victoria’s network operator Ausnet found that the benefits of rooftop solar and storage were about equal for consumers and networks.

Roberts said the trial in Salisbury – like the tender it has put out for Kangaroo Island, where a cable to the mainland could be replaced by localised storage and generation – is about management of the regulated network.

“This is absolutely about management of the regulated network, and exploring how we can be using customers to avoid the need for network investment, and to address capacity issues in the network,” Roberts said.
“The rules encourage us to look at long-term options. We should explore opportunity for customer integration. We believe this is what managing networks into the future will be about.”

But new rules being discussed by regulators, and pushed hard by retailers, want the networks to be restricted through “ring fencing”, to only using the “de-regulated” part of their business to address customers. It is going to be an interesting battle.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/south-australia-launches-biggest-solar-storage-trial-to-defray-network-costs-32268


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The Prime Minister has announced a new high speed rail that will connect the country’s two largest cities once every three years,


3 years to get from Sydney to Melbourne on the high speed rail? I could walk between the two cities faster :lol:

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The Prime Minister has announced a new high speed rail that will connect the country’s two largest cities once every three years,


3 years to get from Sydney to Melbourne on the high speed rail? I could walk between the two cities faster :lol:

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The Prime Minister has announced a new high speed rail that will connect the country’s two largest cities once every three years,


3 years to get from Sydney to Melbourne on the high speed rail? I could walk between the two cities faster :lol:
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[size=7]Germany had so much renewable energy on Sunday that it had to pay people to use electricity[/size]
Michael J. Coren
May 10, 2016


On Sunday, May 8, Germany hit a new high in renewable energy generation. Thanks to a sunny and windy day, at one point around 1pm the country’s solar, wind, hydro and biomass plants were supplying about 55 GW of the 63 GW being consumed, or 87%. Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.



Last year the average renewable mix was 33%, reports Agora Energiewende, a German clean energy think tank. New wind power coming online should push that even higher.

“We have a greater share of renewable energy every year,” said Christoph Podewils of Agora. “The power system adapted to this quite nicely. This day shows again that a system with large amounts of renewable energy works fine.”

Critics have argued that because of the daily peaks and troughs of renewable energy—as the sun goes in and out and winds rise and fall—it will always have only a niche role in supplying power to major economies. But that’s looking less and less likely. Germany plans to hit 100% renewable energy by 2050, and Denmark’s wind turbines already at some points generate more electricity than the country consumes, exporting the surplus to Germany, Norway and Sweden.

Germany’s power surplus on Sunday wasn’t all good news. The system is still too rigid for power suppliers and consumers to respond quickly to price signals. Though gas power plants were taken offline, nuclear and coal plants can’t be quickly shut down, so they went on running and had to pay to sell power into the grid for several hours, while industrial customers such as refineries and foundries earned money by consuming electricity.

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[size=7]Sky rail a done deal - contracts signed, work to start soon[/size]
April 22, 2016 - 3:51PM
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Work on the controversial sky rail project along Melbourne's busiest train corridor will begin in weeks and should be finished in time for the next election.

The state government on Friday announced that the $1.6 billion project had been contracted to an alliance of companies to build the elevated railway as part of its plan to remove 50 level crossings across Melbourne.


An artist's impression of what sky rail could look like.

The project has been met with anger by some locals who argue that an elevated rail line will destroy their local community, by creating an eyesore and dropping property values.

Nine level crossings in the south-east will be removed and five stations rebuilt including Murrumbeena and Clayton.

Public Transport minister Jacinta Allan said there would be minimal disruption on Melbourne's busiest train corridor, with train line shut-downs limited to weekends and two longer shut-downs towards the end of construction in 2018.

These two line shut-downs would last for 19 and six days.

"This is in stark contrast to the alternative approach that has been proposed by some … to take an open trench approach which would see this line shut for eight months and require 2.3 million people being moved on buses which would cause significant disruption." Ms Allan said.

There has also been inquiries about voluntary property acquisitions Ms Allan revealed, although she declined to say how many.

Following consultation, Ms Allan said more car parking would be added as well as better integration between stations and buses.

The first works will include erecting construction fences and trimming trees.

Ms Allan said the project would create 11 MCGs of new public space.

She also said the design would not prohibit extra lines being added by a future government.

Quizzed on community fears that sky rail may be replicated along the Frankston, Ms Allan said that line presented a very different scenario.

"The approach to be taken on this corridor is not necessarily the outcome that will be taken on the Frankston corridor, and I think its wrong to assume it will be," Ms Allan said.

The alliance includes Lend Lease, Aurecon, Metro Trains, CPB contractors and WSP Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Residents' advocate Edward Meysztowicz said a sense of community betrayal remains over the unveiling of the sky rail project.

"A lot of people living in this community are deeply upset and dismayed by the way this project has been bulldozed through," Mr Meysztowicz said.

The recent announcement by the Andrews government of voluntary home acquisitions was "hollow", he said, given many residents whose homes directly back onto the rail line are not eligible.

"The process is convoluted and certainly not clear," he said. "There are four stages of approval to go through and no one has clarity about their future," he said.

Shadow Planning Minister David Davis said Victorians had been hoodwinked by Labor and that the process was a "travesty" with a lack of proper planning and environmental studies.

"Victorians did not want this," Mr Davis said. "Nobody voted for this sky rail monster through the suburbs."

Mr Davis warned that graffiti and other anti-social behaviour would be rife under sky rail.

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[size=7]New High Speed Rail Will Run Between Sydney & Melbourne Once Every Election Year[/size]
By The Shovel on April 11, 2016




The Prime Minister has announced a new high speed rail policy that will connect the country’s two largest cities once every three years, or more frequently when there’s a double dissolution.

Mr Turnbull, who discovered the policy in a folder marked ‘For Election Years Only’, said the new train would provide a quick link between the Government and innovation.

“This is the fastest, most convenient election policy we’ll see, until it’s next released in 2019,” he said. “I can jump on this policy at 9am in Sydney, and then get off it by lunchtime”. He said all the mocked-up map graphics and stock photos of bullet trains on a blurred background were ready to go.

But Opposition Leader Bill Shorten was scathing of the policy. “Malcolm Turnbull likes to talk about train platforms, but where’s his platform for jobs?” he said.

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:lol: having moved from Sydney to Melbourne i have to laugh at the outrage over Melbourne's comparatively decent PT system. What Sydney siders would do for what Melbourne already has

Edited by scotch&coke: 11/2/2016 02:36:29 PM

Inner city PT is very good in Melbourne but it's shithouse in the burbs. The suburban railway system is archaic as its been neglected for 80 years. Take away the newer rolling stock and the tracks and signals are a relic from the 1920s. Melbourne had a LA mentality in the 50s, 60s and 70s, so the rail system was left to rot and didn't expand into outer suburbia with the urban sprawl unless an existing country line could be electrified. So large suburban regions have poor to non-existent PT. Governments have been promising new lines to Doncaster (NE suburbs) and Rowville (outer-east) for the past 50 years but nothing saw the light of day. The Andrews Government is the first to truly try and do something significant to improve the network but the amount of catching up needed to be done will take a couple decades and plenty of $$$ to do. It really needs long-term bi-partisan support but, unlike the Baird and the NSW Libs, the Vic Libs are anti-rail and still stuck in 1970s with their LA mentality ](*,) .
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Sky rail isnt new. Richmond and a few stations are already that. Pity there seems to be nimbys down in the s.e

Most of these nimbys are just Liberal cronies. Upper house Lib David Davis doesn't live anywhere near the area while the protesters' leader was shown up on the news last night as some deranged lunatic from a number of txt messages of hers. All very lady like with those Fs, Ss and Cs :lol:.

The mayor of the local Glen Eira council said the support for this skyrail project in the local community was running at a ratio of 8:2. Not surprising as the level crossings at Carnegie, Murrumbeena and Clayton make those areas a nightmare to drive through, especially during peak hour.
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:lol: having moved from Sydney to Melbourne i have to laugh at the outrage over Melbourne's comparatively decent PT system. What Sydney siders would do for what Melbourne already has

Edited by scotch&coke: 11/2/2016 02:36:29 PM
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Fucking NIMBYs.

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[size=7]Sky rail more an eye opener than an eyesore[/size]
February 11, 2016
Julie Szego


The announcement of a major infrastructure project, in this instance the state government's sky rail proposal, is overshadowed by "angry" protesters (can protesters ever be moderately agitated?), politicking from the opposition and an overarching poverty of imagination. Welcome to Melbourne: where bold ideas are immediately torn down and the selfish and small-minded have right of way.

The government proceeds on its election promise to remove the railway crossings that bring gridlock to suburban streets, cripple the capacity of trains to run more frequently and cost the economy billions. But according to some local petitioners, the plan to replace the level crossings on three sections of line from Caulfield to Cranbourne/Pakenham with elevated rail is an outrage.

According to the objectors, a rail tunnel is the only acceptable option, thus rendering any other option a cynical manoeuvre. I'm yet to hear a convincing argument why the new line must go underground. Admittedly, the government could do a better job explaining why it need not do so — why tunnelling this stretch of line would be too disruptive, expensive or restrictive from an urban planning perspective.



But let's not pretend this would persuade the protesters thundering "No sky rail." Their chant leaves me dubious about suggestions the Andrews government might have prevented this barney with "proper consultation".

Ambitious building projects invariably impact people living closest to the site. These residents should not be permitted to hijack public debate. They are, however, entitled to voice their displeasure. And the No Sky Rail president, who lives one metre from the rail corridor, deserves some sympathy; when frustration and fury overtake us we tend to throw everything at an argument, without sifting the outlandish from the reasonable.

It is reasonable to complain, as she does, that the nine-metre structure will likely block her northern sun. It is outlandish to evoke a hypothetical disaster scenario, such as a derailment causing "80,000 tonnes of fully laden freight" to come crashing down on homes. Yes, and planes can fall from the sky but we still have flight paths above residential areas. And the less said the better about her concerns paedophiles can peer down into her backyard pool when the kids are swimming. (Besides, the government says barriers will be erected on the viaduct to protect the privacy of nearby residents.)

The protesters cluster around the themes of the viaduct devaluing property prices (when arguably proximity to modernised public transport boosts the value of nearby homes) and being an "eyesore" that divides the community and invites undesirables to shelter in "ghettos" underneath. With depressing predictability, the opposition has endorsed their cause. It is what oppositions of all persuasions do — pander to local disaffection, even as it sets them up for charges of betrayal once in government. And even when the cause is less than deserving.

"Eyesore" is a subjective assessment and as in love, beauty in urban structures is in the eye of the beholder; we look admiringly on that which works for us. When Tony Abbott described wind farms as ugly his aesthetic preference reflected his indifference to their function. In my stomping ground, Carlisle Street, Balaclava, the elevated rail bridge carries our beloved emblem of place, the sculpture of the schooner Lady of St Kilda, tossed on a sea of mermaids and starfish.

"Nobody voted for a sky train way up in the air cutting a swathe through densely settled suburbs," said opposition transport spokesman David Davis in comments so dim they offend settled principles of physics. How can a structure "way up in the air" cut a swathe through a suburb on the ground? And don't existing railway lines divide communities? Isn't that why our ancestors referred to undesirables as coming from "the wrong side of the tracks?"

The government says the sky rail frees up "11 MCGs' worth" of public space for public benefit. A seductive propaganda video shows carpets of greenery, car parking spots, netball courts, civic plazas, a 12 kilometre pedestrian and bike path, revamped stations with seamless connections between trains and buses, footpaths sprouting in all directions. Connecting suburbs in other words — not dividing them.

Ian Woodcock, urban design lecturer at RMIT, has emerged as an advocate for a well-executed sky rail. He suggests concentrating our energies on holding the government to its "cutting edge" vision, ensuring the new stations come equipped with the best disability access, multiple entrances, user friendly transport connections, pleasing retail space.

Elevated rail delivers net benefits for communities around the world, he says. In Paris a market thrives under the metro viaduct at the Barbes-Rochechouart station. A project in Miami aims to retrofit the space beneath an elevated metro for public parks. Berlin plans to create a new nine-kilometre cycle route, replete with bike repair workshops, rest stops, cafes and beer gardens, under part of the city's U1 line. The viaduct would give cover, enabling cyclists to use the path all year round. Inspiring, no? Less an eyesore than an eye opener.

And I reckon there are also benefits for rail passengers, assuming they're not all paedophiles. On a recent trip to Bangkok, I travelled from the airport by sky rail, enjoying an expansive view of the city's vibrant chaos, the old districts nudging the gleaming skyscrapers, the jumble of freeways, concrete towers, footpaths bursting with life. It made the metropolis legible and gave me some perspective.

We could use some perspective in Melbourne. The kind that helps us see the big picture.

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Daniel Andrews getting shit done. =d>

Huge improvements for the main South-East Melbourne lines:

[youtube]SYT5F-gcr40[/youtube]

Edited by paladisious: 7/2/2016 10:06:30 PM


Pity the v-lines are fucked and I'll be catching a bus most of the year to uni.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Sky rail isnt new. Richmond and a few stations are already that. Pity there seems to be nimbys down in the s.e


Sure, think of the classic elevated rail lines in New York and Chicago, but it's never too late to implement a good idea.
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Sky rail isnt new. Richmond and a few stations are already that. Pity there seems to be nimbys down in the s.e
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Daniel Andrews getting shit done. =d>

Huge improvements for the main South-East Melbourne lines:

[youtube]SYT5F-gcr40[/youtube]

Edited by paladisious: 7/2/2016 10:06:30 PM
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In reality it is very hard to build infrastructure for population growth. No one provides funding for infrastructure which does what it's meant to.

This country is and always will be playing catch up with infrastructure.
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1200 people on a train is 50 per cent too many: rail overcrowding getting worse


More than half of Melbourne's railway lines are consistently overcrowded in the morning peak, with some trains carrying hundreds more passengers than they are meant to.
In the worst case, on the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines, trains built to carry just under 800 passengers are crammed with more than 1200 people before they reach the city, data shows.
The data, obtained through freedom of information laws by the Victorian Greens, reveals the system is failing to cope with passenger growth.
Between May 2014 and May 2015, an extra 4500 commuters joined the Dandenong rail corridor crush in the morning over a four-day survey period, but just one extra morning peak service a day was added to the timetable.
The situation was mirrored on six other lines that experienced rapid patronage growth in the morning peak last year but were given few or no extra services.
The Frankston, Sandringham, Craigieburn, Upfield, Sunbury and Werribee lines all grew by between 5 and 12 per cent in just a year, yet only the Sunbury and Werribee lines received extra services to handle the swelling load.
Barely any peak-hour services have been added to the metropolitan rail timetable since 2014, because the Andrews government rejected a planned timetable upgrade that had been drawn up under the former Napthine government.

Meanwhile, Metro is progressively increasing the capacity of each train from 798 to 900 passengers, by ripping out seats near the doors to increase standing room.
The Greens obtained the unfiltered patronage data from Public Transport Victoria's most recent passenger load survey, completed in May 2015.
PTV conducts twice annual counts of passenger numbers at stations just outside the City Loop to determine if crowds are within the load standard of 798 per train, as agreed in Metro's franchise agreement with the state.
The count is done on four weekdays and patterns of overcrowding are meant to trigger extra services on affected lines.
However, the survey excludes services that are affected by cancellations or late running, because these are held to distort a typical day of operations. These excluded services are often overcrowded, meaning PTV's survey results contain fewer load breaches than the raw data.
Greens leader Greg Barber said the true picture was worse than PTV's survey indicated, with 199 of a total 464 services having breached the load standard. About 10 per cent of those services carried more than 1000 passengers.
"Raw data shows the government has been caught understating how overcrowded trains are," Mr Barber said.
"This problem has been getting steadily worse for years. This problem hasn't snuck up on the government, but their only response has been to rip out seats to squeeze more people in."
Mr Barber said the data supported the Greens' call for an investment in high-capacity signalling, which would enable trains to run more frequently.
Tony Morton, Public Transport Users Association president, said it was unfortunate that rail overcrowding was getting worse in the west and north of Melbourne, given billions had been spent to remove bottlenecks between Metro and V/Line trains on that part of the network.
"This is what the Regional Rail Link was meant to deal with and we haven't done the timetable upgrade that was meant to follow naturally on from that project, which was the rationale for spending $4 billion on a new rail line," he said.
Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan pointed to the planned Melbourne Metro rail tunnel and the multibillion-dollar upgrade of the Cranbourne-Pakenham corridor as evidence the government was "investing more in major capacity-building projects than any government in Victoria's history".
"We've added extra services to Sunbury, and to the Werribee/Williamstown lines, and extra services will be considered across the network with the next metropolitan timetable change later this year," Ms Allan said.
The raw data presents a contrasting picture for Melbourne's northern and eastern suburbs, where rail patronage has shrunk.
Peak-hour patronage on the Alamein line, Melbourne's quietest, dropped a further 14 per cent in the year to May 2015.
It went backwards by eight per cent on the Glen Waverley line, and by five per cent on the Belgrave/Lilydale lines and the South Morang/Hurstbridge lines.


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/1200-people-on-a-train-is-50-per-cent-too-many-rail-overcrowding-getting-worse-20160126-gmecgy.html

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The Age wrote:
[size=7]10,000 use night trains, trams and buses on first weekend of 24 hour services[/size]
January 8, 2016
Richard Willingham
State Political Correspondent for The Age


Nearly 10,000 Victorians used new 24 hour train, tram and bus services in the wee hours of Saturday and Sunday during the first full weekend of the Night Network.

Last weekend saw the beginning of a 12 month trial of 24 hour trains, trams and buses on some routes on weekends.

New data shows that 9862 people touched on with their myki last weekend outside of regular services during the Night Network debut run.

The Labor government says the data is only preliminary because it does not take into account people fare evading, using trams in the free zone or people using myki passes.

The government says the number of people shows a good take up of late night public transport with the nearly 10,000 people representing more than a 300 per cent increase in patronage, compared to NightRider bus services in October 2015.

Before the launch of the Night Network, which was previously known as HomeSafe, a survey of 1000 people found 91 per cent of people were likely to use 24 hour service during the year long trial.

The survey also found 90 per cent of respondents saying that affordable late night transport was the biggest benefit of Night Network.

It has not been all smooth sailing for the start of the Night Network with residents along train lines complaining about trains using their loud horns all night, keeping people awake.

Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan said all-night travel put Melbourne at the forefront of big cities around the world

"Initial myki touch on data from the first weekend has shown three times as many people used Night Network compared to NightRider services – but we want to see even more Victorians taking advantage of this great new service," Ms Allan said.

"I'd encourage everyone get out there and enjoy what Melbourne has to offer at weekends knowing they can take the Night Network home."

The government expects to have more accurate data available in February when surveys and myki data are combined, which is the normal way usage is calculated.

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paladisious wrote:
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the L90 bus route (longest suburban bus route in Australia IIRC)


I see that and raise you the 901 Bus in Melbourne. Orbits around the end (or close to the end) of each train line (excluding the West) and ends up as my tightarse route to the airport from its penultimate stop at Gladstone Park Shopping Centre (or alternatively Broady train station) to avoid Skybus fees. Technically you could catch it all the way to the airport from Frankston, if you have a spare four hours!

How many Kilometers is it roughly?

The L90 goes from Palm Beach to Wynyard. It's a fairly direct route all the way down Pittwater and Military Roads through the Northern Beaches. Takes about 3 hours on a good day. Used to terminate at Railway Square (Central) but they cut it back to Wynyard when they started closing off George Street in the CBD for the tramline building. Took maybe 3kms off the overall route. About 44kms.



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