Best Coach in the A-league - Kevin Muscat ?


Best Coach in the A-league - Kevin Muscat ?

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Bowden - 30 Apr 2018 10:13 AM
There was even a series of matches where he was booed every time his face was on the big screen lol.

Never happened.
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paladisious - 7 May 2018 9:15 AM
Bowden - 30 Apr 2018 10:13 AM

Never happened.

I think you have to give the Victory fans some credit for the second half of the Victory season.
They put pressure on the team. On Muscat.
Full credit to how they responded. They lifted their performances. Changed the way they played.



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Iknowbest - 7 May 2018 9:20 AM
paladisious - 7 May 2018 9:15 AM

I think you have to give the Victory fans some credit for the second half of the Victory season.
They put pressure on the team. On Muscat.
Full credit to how they responded. They lifted their performances. Changed the way they played.


Was there frustration with Kev from fans including myself at times? Absolutely. The home end was chanting "make a sub" at the close of the Adelaide final due to his stubborn habit of waiting until very late. What kind of fans would we be if we blindly accepted every decision by a coach?

But how many Victory fans said anything along the lines of Muscat out? Bowden implied all of us. I don't think so. 1% of any club's lunatic fringe, at most.

Bowden straight up lied about Victory fans booing him whenever he was on the screen though. Literally never happened.
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Muscat is a good coach, but not the best in the league. I rate Arnold and Merrick higher than him.

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MarkfromCroydon - 7 May 2018 1:00 PM
Muscat is a good coach, but not the best in the league. I rate Arnold and Merrick higher than him.

Muscat is better at grinding out results than those two in one off matches, but over a course of a season Arnold and Merrick definitely have their teams playing better and more consistently.
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MarkfromCroydon - 7 May 2018 1:00 PM
Muscat is a good coach, but not the best in the league. I rate Arnold and Merrick higher than him.

And yet Muscat out coached both of them in the finals.



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City Sam - 7 May 2018 1:04 PM
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Muscat is better at grinding out results than those two in one off matches, but over a course of a season Arnold and Merrick definitely have their teams playing better and more consistently.

It is like Muscat targets the championship trophy and Arnold the plate.

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muscat is a good tournament coach punching above his weight in asia and the australian finals. He also usually finishes high up the ladder

considering asia and the finals have wildly different opposition and require wildly different tactics he shouldn't be underrated!

Arnie has been excellent with youth (gersbach, sains, rogic, ryan to name a few) and won a lot of seasons but struggles in asia and the finals
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I still don't know about Muscat in a general sense, I would really like to see what he does at a different club.  But agree for one off games he, and Victory are great.  Tactically fine, but the real difference to me is that he seems to imbue his team with that fire to lift themselves for a big occasion.  Last 3 times we have faced Victory in the finals the exact same thing has happened, Victory has massively improved compared to the regular season.  Last year we were a significantly better team than Victory, but in the grand final the fought us to a standstill and we only won on penalties.  This year we seemed to be a much better team than Victory but they completely raised their game and out fought us.  Some of this might come from the players themselves but I sense the fighting spirit of Muscat in this.  Great motivator. 
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Yes he is

Says a lot doesn’t it


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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LOL. Not even close. 

He's lucky, and plays a boring style of football and still loses lots of matches. 
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Eniri - 7 May 2018 1:48 PM
I still don't know about Muscat in a general sense, I would really like to see what he does at a different club.  But agree for one off games he, and Victory are great.  Tactically fine, but the real difference to me is that he seems to imbue his team with that fire to lift themselves for a big occasion.  Last 3 times we have faced Victory in the finals the exact same thing has happened, Victory has massively improved compared to the regular season.  Last year we were a significantly better team than Victory, but in the grand final the fought us to a standstill and we only won on penalties.  This year we seemed to be a much better team than Victory but they completely raised their game and out fought us.  Some of this might come from the players themselves but I sense the fighting spirit of Muscat in this.  Great motivator. 

Thank you for some unbiased words.
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paladisious - 7 May 2018 4:20 PM
Eniri - 7 May 2018 1:48 PM

Thank you for some unbiased words.

no problem.  I still actively dislike him as a human being though ;)
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Still think he is an awful human being that should getting a karmic pile of crap. Having said that I was mocking him for only having one game plan before the SFC semi and he showed that he was able to change from the all out attack in the first 15 minutes we were used to, to a soak it up and hit them on the counter Arnie ball style. Didn't think he had it in him. It is not so much the change that was impressive, it was how well drilled the squad seemed in such a short time after a massive tactical change.
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tsf - 16 Jan 2017 9:54 AM
He has managed to twice rebuild teams and team structure. This latest undertaking started slowly but is looking quite promising at the moment. 

It's odd to think of all the stick and comments on here from people saying he can't coach and is useless - despite his trophy cabinet and achievements.

As for 'the best' - not sure that exists. Horses for courses. 

One area where Muscat has excelled is players - man management, attracting players and scouting. Every player he has signed has performed, with the only one standing out being beister which is way too early to make a call on. 



Interesting to win the 2018 title from 4th on the ladder in the home and away season.

I didn't see the specific games, but there were reports Muscat was booed by MV fans in some matches.
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Angus - 7 May 2018 9:28 PM
Still think he is an awful human being that should getting a karmic pile of crap. 

Meeting him in person he is quite charming, despite his dirty play as a player .
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grazorblade - 7 May 2018 1:16 PM
muscat is a good tournament coach punching above his weight in asia and the australian finals. He also usually finishes high up the ladder

considering asia and the finals have wildly different opposition and require wildly different tactics he shouldn't be underrated!

Arnie has been excellent with youth (gersbach, sains, rogic, ryan to name a few) and won a lot of seasons but struggles in asia and the finals



How many points were MV short of qualifying for the next round of the ACL?
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paladisious - 7 May 2018 9:47 AM
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But how many Victory fans said anything along the lines of Muscat out? Bowden implied all of us. I don't think so. 1% of any club's lunatic fringe, at most.

Bowden straight up lied about Victory fans booing him whenever he was on the screen though. Literally never happened.

FYI, #muscatout was quite a common thing on their Facebook page after games where the team did not perform well. More than the 1% fringe.

And also booing DID happen. Not every week, but once or twice it was done at AAMI park when his face was on the big screen. I know, I was there.

Credit to him and the team for reacting the way they did. That's proper club culture there, fans that demand the best, and a club/team that responds the best they can when they know they are under-performing.  
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Thanks soccer-fan for correcting the ledger ! that many did see through Fox.
Wish pala would talk straight instead of the forked tongue for I do admire his passion for the game, well plastic league and all.
A Bowden apology is in order I suppose.


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soccer_fan - 8 May 2018 9:03 AM
paladisious - 7 May 2018 9:47 AM

FYI, #muscatout was quite a common thing on their Facebook page after games where the team did not perform well. More than the 1% fringe.

And also booing DID happen. Not every week, but once or twice it was done at AAMI park when his face was on the big screen. I know, I was there.

Credit to him and the team for reacting the way they did. That's proper club culture there, fans that demand the best, and a club/team that responds the best they can when they know they are under-performing.  

Nobody can defend facebook flogs lol

Booing him every time he was on the screen though? Or the couple of times when they'd show Theohaurus warming up in the 92nd minute and then cut to him? Context, I think.
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Decentric - 8 May 2018 8:58 AM
Angus - 7 May 2018 9:28 PM

Meeting him in person he is quite charming, despite his dirty play as a player .

Funny, a lot of people say that after meeting serial killers. (Disclaimer: Please note Dear Internet, I am not claiming Kevin Muscat is a serial killer, merely using that example as an illustration of not being able to judge a person through their demeanor when meeting them). Similarly, have always found Matt Simon to be a very pleasant fellow the times I have encountered him at functions and have heard the same from many others, however I cannot condone his antics on the field.

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Eniri - 7 May 2018 1:48 PM
I still don't know about Muscat in a general sense, I would really like to see what he does at a different club.  But agree for one off games he, and Victory are great.  Tactically fine, but the real difference to me is that he seems to imbue his team with that fire to lift themselves for a big occasion.  Last 3 times we have faced Victory in the finals the exact same thing has happened, Victory has massively improved compared to the regular season.  Last year we were a significantly better team than Victory, but in the grand final the fought us to a standstill and we only won on penalties.  This year we seemed to be a much better team than Victory but they completely raised their game and out fought us.  Some of this might come from the players themselves but I sense the fighting spirit of Muscat in this.  Great motivator. 

Muscy knows how to fire the lads up.  He'll at the one season he had at rangers they won the treble . The clubs fans where he played loved the guy for his leadership 
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Thanks for the support, soccer_fan and LFC.

Pala, I like you, buddy. Please stop treating me like I’m a MV troll.

Yes I engage in Maty > Langerak bantz but in general hold no Ill will against the club overall. In fact I think you’ll find most of my recent comments about MV players have been nothing but positive.

Let’s go back to loving eachother pls <3
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Full credit to how KM handled the Kurt Ams decision.
I do not think many other coaches would have been this mature.
You have to give some credit.
Even showed some new tactics.
Victory look the strongest team from the weekend so have to give him some credit for his recruitment too.

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Iknowbest - 22 Oct 2018 5:00 PM
Victory look the strongest team from the weekend so have to give him some credit for his recruitment too.

https://2lz8iu19k09n13d61e3d2mb0-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/karryon-gulp-gif.gif


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 22 Oct 2018 5:02 PM
Iknowbest - 22 Oct 2018 5:00 PM

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yeap - just listened to the DFS - the so called guess expert agreed with me giving MV the "GOOD" from the weekend.



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Iknowbest - 22 Oct 2018 5:20 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 22 Oct 2018 5:02 PM

yeap - just listened to the DFS - the so called guess expert agreed with me giving MV the "GOOD" from the weekend.


Best recruiter in the League :  Greg O'Rourke

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Iknowbest - 22 Oct 2018 5:00 PM

You have to give some credit.

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I'm tipping Kev won't be at Victory next season. will go going overseas to grow his knowledge. i reckon thats why they brought in Carlos Perez Salvachua as his assistant
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paladisious - 7 May 2018 9:15 AM
Bowden - 30 Apr 2018 10:13 AM

Never happened.

Happens every time he's in Sydney.   :D 

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