Brisbane Strikers withdraw A-League bid [Comments]


Brisbane Strikers withdraw A-League bid [Comments]

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primtech - 29 May 2018 8:45 PM
Waz - 29 May 2018 6:36 PM

Perry Park concepts looked great, but are no where near viable for $15-30 million, not to mention Strikers have given up. Lions play state league, how could they justify a 12,000 seat stadium paid for by the govt when they've just turned their clubhouse into disneyland with their pokie money. Ipswich City Council (who have bigger things to worry about) already had plans for a multi use stadium.

Dolphin Stadium cost less than $15M (~$12M for stage two, it'll eventually get stands on three sides). It might not be the greatest stadium but it will be able to host national club games and it's a piece of infrastructure that the Redcliffe Dolphins can use and upgrade in decades to come.
Sunshine Coast Stadium and Mackay Stadium are two others that come to mind.
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Waz - 29 May 2018 6:36 PM
@ primetech. No I’m not in favour of it. Perry Park is a viable upgrade, upgrade that! Lions stadium would seat 12,000 with a $30m injection, upgrade that; give it to Ipswich and let Western Pride have a stadium. Just build FOOTBALL infrastructure not upgrade rugby infrastructure and have football pay for it ffs

Perry Park concepts looked great, but are no where near viable for $15-30 million, not to mention Strikers have given up. Lions play state league, how could they justify a 12,000 seat stadium paid for by the govt when they've just turned their clubhouse into disneyland with their pokie money. Ipswich City Council (who have bigger things to worry about) already had plans for a multi use stadium.

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@ primetech.

No I’m not in favour of it.

Perry Park is a viable upgrade, upgrade that!

Lions stadium would seat 12,000 with a $30m injection, upgrade that;

give it to Ipswich and let Western Pride have a stadium.

Just build FOOTBALL infrastructure not upgrade rugby infrastructure and have football pay for it ffs
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Waz - 29 May 2018 4:16 PM
@ primtech Sure. And Rugby gets a great new facility and football pays for it. We need $30m to go in to football infrastructure not a competing codes!!

So your not in favour of Brisbane's only financially viable option of getting a boutique rectangular stadium? Brisbane City bid's success depends ENTIRELY on this redevelopment partnership with the QRU. 
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Waz - 29 May 2018 4:16 PM
@ primtech Sure. And Rugby gets a great new facility and football pays for it. We need $30m to go in to football infrastructure not a competing codes!!

i reckon all A-league clubs should invest in their own stadiums. 
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Sure. And Rugby gets a great new facility and football pays for it. We need $30m to go in to football infrastructure not a competing codes!!
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https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2018/05/28/ballymore-redevelopment-decision-by-end-of-2018

Only a lousy $15 Million required from state govt with it already matched federally. If the govt pulled their finger out and put the money in by mid year, work on the Maclean stand could easily be done by A-league season next year for sure. 

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bohemia - 24 May 2018 9:09 PM
The AFL has been averaging 16k at the Gabba for the last couple of seasons

Quick, throw them a few hundred million... can't make this shit up. Fucking leeches on every level of government in every state.

Chuck in a Spellchecker with that please

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeGlnkIVQAAlK_q.jpg:large


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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More people attend the arts than sports......

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I doubt a lot of the stonewalling on the lobbying front is the FFA's fault.  In NSW there's the old boys network of Union and League and in Victoria it's the same but with AFL. Both mobs have the connections, corporate and political, to maintain the status quo for decades to come.  

You can lobby all you want but if annoying buggers like the Jehova's witnesses come knocking at your door do you let them in or tell them 'no thanks'.


It's still the responsibility of the FFA to create similar connections in both the political and corporate world. The attitude of 'its too hard coz of the AFL...' is just plain lazy excuses for not doing any work. Is it harder because the AFL/NRL exist? Absolutely. Just means the FFA have to get better at it. If you continue to do the same thing over and over you can't expect different results. The sooner the FFA is overhauled the better. If clubs like Team 11 (who don't even exist yet) can get government backing along with some funding for a stadium then I'm sure the FFA can manage a heck of a lot more.
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QPAC had 1.3M visitors in 2017, theatres and museums always pull more people than pro sports.
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ErogenousZone - 28 May 2018 3:39 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 28 May 2018 3:29 PM

LOL@ Performing Arts.  They sponge more off the government than AFL does.  

More people attend the arts than sports......

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bohemia - 24 May 2018 9:09 PM

Was listening to Jack Reilly on the Santo sam and ed podcast, and his view was more that the FFA rarely lobby the government at any level and when they do they make a poor effort. People say a lot of negative things about the AFL but at the core of it they take very good care of their sport. That is something we can't say about the FFA. Sure the mountain is far harder to climb for football, but the current FFA make very little effort. If they spent as much time lobbying government as they did pursuing stupid gimmicks like trying to get players Cahill and Iniesta here maybe we would have better stadiums and other football infrastructure. 

I doubt a lot of the stonewalling on the lobbying front is the FFA's fault.  In NSW there's the old boys network of Union and League and in Victoria it's the same but with AFL. Both mobs have the connections, corporate and political, to maintain the status quo for decades to come.  

You can lobby all you want but if annoying buggers like the Jehova's witnesses come knocking at your door do you let them in or tell them 'no thanks'.






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LOL@ Performing Arts.  They sponge more off the government than AFL does.  
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Waz - 24 May 2018 4:10 PM
Ha, and there you have it. Admittedly the Gabba is one of the most soulless stadiums in Australia and could do with an upgrade but it sums up government attitude. Next they’ll announce a plan to demolish Suncorp and build a replica in its place, hey, if NSWs are doing it ...




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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bohemia - 24 May 2018 9:09 PM
The AFL has been averaging 16k at the Gabba for the last couple of seasons

Quick, throw them a few hundred million... can't make this shit up. Fucking leeches on every level of government in every state.

Was listening to Jack Reilly on the Santo sam and ed podcast, and his view was more that the FFA rarely lobby the government at any level and when they do they make a poor effort. People say a lot of negative things about the AFL but at the core of it they take very good care of their sport. That is something we can't say about the FFA. Sure the mountain is far harder to climb for football, but the current FFA make very little effort. If they spent as much time lobbying government as they did pursuing stupid gimmicks like trying to get players Cahill and Iniesta here maybe we would have better stadiums and other football infrastructure. 
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The AFL has been averaging 16k at the Gabba for the last couple of seasons

Quick, throw them a few hundred million... can't make this shit up. Fucking leeches on every level of government in every state.
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it almost reads like an April Fool's joke
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Ha, and there you have it.

Admittedly the Gabba is one of the most soulless stadiums in Australia and could do with an upgrade but it sums up government attitude. Next they’ll announce a plan to demolish Suncorp and build a replica in its place, hey, if NSWs are doing it ...
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Waz - 23 May 2018 11:03 PM
@ Bohemia QLD is a strange State, especially when it comes to sport so as an investor this would be the last place I’d throw money at a club. The only thing stranger than our government is Perry Park - the “home” of football in Brisbane - it is a dump albeit a loveable dump.

Massive Gabba renovation plans revealed in secret report, mistakenly released to ABC


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-24/massive-renovation-plans-revealed-for-brisbane-gabba/9795222


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Gyfox - 23 May 2018 5:04 PM
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I reckon so.  They haven't lost a game all season.

they would probably make the finals in the a-league with their record this year.

 




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@ Bohemia

QLD is a strange State, especially when it comes to sport so as an investor this would be the last place I’d throw money at a club.

The only thing stranger than our government is Perry Park - the “home” of football in Brisbane - it is a dump albeit a loveable dump.


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Waz - 23 May 2018 10:40 AM
@ Catfield

I guess it doesn’t matter now does it - Strikers had a unique bid approach in that they reveal details after they’ve withdrawn.

Redevelopment of Perry Park would have come at huge financial cost (who was going to pay for this?), the local residents have already stated they will object to its redevelopment (so how were strikers going to overcome that?), and then there’s other things like government backing for a stadium to be built (how would strikers get that when QRU are pushing Ballymore and others a boutique stadium south of the river).

It beggars belief strikers didn’t approach Roar and seek a partnership - two teams at PP and derbies at Suncorp maybe?

And as for the quality of those images? I don’t care who did them, they just look photoshopped (look at the stuff that’s coming out of the Melbourne bid which are way better).

The feeling was strikers weren’t running a serious A League bid, you’ll probably contest that and maybe they were, but from the outside looking in they didn’t look serious.

Hopefully they’ll be going for the Div 2 option if/when it comes up, although there’ll be some stiff competition on the park for that, Strikers facilities at PP should give them an advantage.

State planning systems have mechanisms to promote developments to the level of 'state significance' or 'major' that takes the power out of the hands of local residents when need be. If Adelaide...  Adelaide, could redevelop the Adelaide Oval into a 55,000 seat stadium then anything is possible. I mean, that thing knocks the "vision" bit out of the Light's Vision monument that essentially represents the key plank of Adelaide history (the Colonel Light city plan). 

Agreed though it's a total mystery who would be paying for it. Or why they'd be prepared to pay for it for Strikers but not anyone else. I find it impossible that it could be the Strikers themselves paying. And if it was a serious proposal, why weren't the Roar all over it as well? Are their owners truly that aimless?
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Waz - 23 May 2018 4:33 PM
@ southmelb None of the Brisbane bids have stadiums, even City will have to play out of Lang Park while Ballymore is made safe and the challenges of getting PP upgraded would be huge, so again strikers would start out at Lang Park. But the plans for the two southern Sydney bids have plans to get them (one to build and one to an existing stadium?) and at least one of the bids in Melbourne has plans to build a stadium ... Compare that to the Brisbane bids - no stadiums, no multi-million dollar academies, basically just a rinse n repeat of the QLD Roar launch.

No plan in Melb to build a stadium, they want the state government to build it to the tune of almost 200 million. The strikers could have made the same claims. Admitedly i dont know enough about sydney.
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Are Team 11 safe ?

I reckon so.  They haven't lost a game all season.
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Waz - 23 May 2018 4:10 PM
@ Catfield. All good. Strikers were my preference to be honest, I could see a lot of 40-something dads who saw Strikers at their glory days going back, meanwhile their kids try to stick to Roar. Strikers v Roar has a rivalry too it, Roar “took” strikers licence and now they’re back ... Roar v Gladiators in a decaying rugby stadium ... meh. So a shame. But Strikers have the Perry Park asset and there’ll be a second chance - I’m not convinced any QLD team will get in this time around, looking at the quality in Sydney and Melbourne that’s what I’d expect to get in now. So Strikers need to be ready for Team 13/14 in 5 years ...

100%. There will need to be a massive culture change in the club, though. The problem they have is inertia and a lack of new blood and new ideas. The potential there is massive - just need people with the drive to see it happen. It's hard though when it's a closed shop - it's not like members can vote a board in, as happens at other clubs.

I really hope they learn from this experience and let more people in to move the club forward. 
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southmelb - 23 May 2018 4:30 PM
Gyfox - 23 May 2018 4:28 PM

No way, 3 points above it.

Are Team 11 safe ?

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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@ southmelb

None of the Brisbane bids have stadiums, even City will have to play out of Lang Park while Ballymore is made safe and the challenges of getting PP upgraded would be huge, so again strikers would start out at Lang Park.

But the plans for the two southern Sydney bids have plans to get them (one to build and one to an existing stadium?) and at least one of the bids in Melbourne has plans to build a stadium ...

Compare that to the Brisbane bids - no stadiums, no multi-million dollar academies, basically just a rinse n repeat of the QLD Roar launch.
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Gyfox - 23 May 2018 4:28 PM
southmelb - 23 May 2018 4:13 PM

Are South Melbourne safe from relegation this season?

No way, 3 points above it.
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southmelb - 23 May 2018 4:13 PM
Waz - 23 May 2018 4:10 PM

What quality in sydney and melbourne?

In Melbourne 2 of the bids have no stadium and will require hundreds of millions of funding, whilst the other is pretty much blacklisted..

Are South Melbourne safe from relegation this season?
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Waz - 23 May 2018 4:10 PM
@ Catfield. All good. Strikers were my preference to be honest, I could see a lot of 40-something dads who saw Strikers at their glory days going back, meanwhile their kids try to stick to Roar. Strikers v Roar has a rivalry too it, Roar “took” strikers licence and now they’re back ... Roar v Gladiators in a decaying rugby stadium ... meh. So a shame. But Strikers have the Perry Park asset and there’ll be a second chance - I’m not convinced any QLD team will get in this time around, looking at the quality in Sydney and Melbourne that’s what I’d expect to get in now. So Strikers need to be ready for Team 13/14 in 5 years ...

What quality in sydney and melbourne?

In Melbourne 2 of the bids have no stadium and will require hundreds of millions of funding, whilst the other is pretty much blacklisted..
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@ Catfield.

All good. Strikers were my preference to be honest, I could see a lot of 40-something dads who saw Strikers at their glory days going back, meanwhile their kids try to stick to Roar.

Strikers v Roar has a rivalry too it, Roar “took” strikers licence and now they’re back ... Roar v Gladiators in a decaying rugby stadium ... meh.

So a shame. But Strikers have the Perry Park asset and there’ll be a second chance - I’m not convinced any QLD team will get in this time around, looking at the quality in Sydney and Melbourne that’s what I’d expect to get in now. So Strikers need to be ready for Team 13/14 in 5 years ...
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