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+x+xSome notable stats for the game:
2. Jedi like the last world cup was surprisingly ineffective in defence managing 0 tackles and 0 intercepts. His discipling in staying in position is useful but he was a traffic cone at times
Although winning few tackles, Jedi was often part of a defensive combination of first, second and third defender. It was often the work of the unit as a whole that resulted in someone winning the ball, not individual brilliance. yes and he frequently does thankless work in covering space in front of the front 4 to defend against cutbacks and preventing longs shots as well as putting pressure on balls into the penalty area. Positional awareness is luongos biggest weakness though he makes the most tackles and intercepts in the ecl. I think we would transition faster with the ball on the ground with luongo. We overly used the longball i think. Apart from ryan and sainsburys pin point switches the long balls were rarely effective
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6. Risdon and Behich had busy games with 4 tackles each. Risdon unlucky he also made a match losing rather than a match winning challenge. I suppose he was unlucky (the VAR in particular was strangely used as it wasnt a howler) but if he gets a tiny bit more ball we have a point. Risdon struggled to play out though with 63% passing accuracy which put his side under a lot of pressure
Good to read this as both have been better attacking full backs, than defensive ones. With Risdon's low passing percentage, it is often the fault of his teammates not supporting him by not showing well enough for the ball, through opening an effective enough passing lane, quickly enough, a little before he received it. Earlier on, neither Mooy or Jedi, were not working hard enough, and cleverly enough to shake their makers by checking. Their support for the CBs to play out wasn't effective enough. It improved as France dropped their squeezing intensity.
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+x+x+xSome notable stats for the game: 1. Mooy had an absolute pearl of game 5 tackles 3 intercepts and 2 shot assists, 58 passes at 78% 2. Jedi like the last world cup was surprisingly ineffective in defence managing 0 tackles and 0 intercepts. His discipling in staying in position is useful but he was a traffic cone at times 3. Kruse had a special game in defence shielding his full back from too much worry. He made 5 tackles in defence. He also drew a lot of fouls cleverly when playing out and things looked a bit frantic. Drew 5 fouls in his game. Surprisingly Leckie didn't rack up his usual defensive numbers this game his defensive contribution was pretty much limited to some fouls. Some in dangerous areas 4. Rogic our most accurate passer at 95% and managed to win a couple of 1v1s in attack, second best on ground after Mbappe. Also drew third most fouls after hernandez (6) and kruse (5). Pogba made things difficult for him however. Him and mooy were key but hope they play better next time. 5. While Irvine offered little in attack he did make 2 tackles which is better than Rogic's 0. Here the stats can be a little misleading though imo. Rogic causes oppositions to be reluctant to push every player forward. Notably the score was 1-1 with rogic on and 1-0 with him off. I view him as key to our defence 6. Risdon and Behich had busy games with 4 tackles each. Risdon unlucky he also made a match losing rather than a match winning challenge. I suppose he was unlucky (the VAR in particular was strangely used as it wasnt a howler) but if he gets a tiny bit more ball we have a point. Risdon struggled to play out though with 63% passing accuracy which put his side under a lot of pressure Based on this I'd start luongo ahead of jedi in the next match but keep the side unchanged I hope arzani gets more minutes. Limited touches but those touches were class Good to read these stats. I'm not sure where you complied them from? whoscored.com are taking stats for every game Thanks.
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was out watching the game and just got through the thread, so my impressions of the match:
I am also totally over the idea of 'brave losses'. It's a world cup, results are the most important thing and in the end we lost. Even so, I think we played better than we have for a long time. Our defence is better than it has been in years, the whole team is making fewer mistakes etc.
Really happy with our efforts today and BVM looks to have done wonders with our structure..
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We seen today the difference between a tactically sound manager able to adapt and one not in the past Ange.We were set up brilliant today by BVM who set up the his team to suit the opponents.They all knew there job and roles.
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+xWe seen today the difference between a tactically sound manager able to adapt and one not in the past Ange.We were set up brilliant today by BVM who set up the his team to suit the opponents.They all knew there job and roles. And we still lost and i was bored to death with no pressing or attacking adventure. Maybe you will get your results next match.
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Lucas and Tolisso are the biggest fuckwits ever. Lucas went to ground multiple times. The Nabbout one was laughable and near the end he went down grabbing his head only it was Risdon who used his shoulder on Lucas's back.
Tolisso went down a lot and often yelled at the ref when not winning the throw. Absolute wanker.
Did anyone else see the pass Arzani did from the edge of the box at death only to then be knocked down by two French players? If he'd screamed loud enough he'd have gotten a free kick.
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Pala, you're online. How was it inside the ground? The TV microphones picked up a lot of Aussie chants and I loved the gold section always going off when the French fell down.
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A game of inches. Risdon so close to scraping the ball away. Umtiti getting some knuckles on the ball. Behich had extremely slight contact I think.
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+xI wonder if BvM can tailor our game a bit to win us more penalties. Fucking VAR. But gotta play the game, I guess. Why do you think Arzani is there lol. -PB
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+x+xSome notable stats for the game:
2. Jedi like the last world cup was surprisingly ineffective in defence managing 0 tackles and 0 intercepts. His discipling in staying in position is useful but he was a traffic cone at times
Although winning few tackles, Jedi was often part of a defensive combination of first, second and third defender. It was often the work of the unit as a whole that resulted in someone winning the ball, not individual brilliance. Agree that Luongo should replace Jedinak. But Juric drew a foul and yellow card, so with Nabbout not mentioned, Juric to start. BvM has finally sorted out the Rogic-Mooy problem that existed under Postecoglou. They were forever in each other's way with both having an AM role. In last night's setup, Mooy had to play a strictly DM role except for taking set-pieces. That was much better as Mooy could anticipate and close France's passing lanes. Behich was not as sparkling in this game as he was in the recent friendlies. Risdon was better than in the Hungary game. The other added bonus was Ryan has the freedom to play long or short. If we played Ange-ball, it probably would have been a 6-2 loss. I thought we had France on the back foot from about the 30th to tbe 80th minute.
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29:35. Sainsbury to Rogic. How isn't that a foul on Rogic after his run? Annoyingly Kruse was central and his wing was wide open.
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+x+x+xSome notable stats for the game:
2. Jedi like the last world cup was surprisingly ineffective in defence managing 0 tackles and 0 intercepts. His discipling in staying in position is useful but he was a traffic cone at times
Although winning few tackles, Jedi was often part of a defensive combination of first, second and third defender. It was often the work of the unit as a whole that resulted in someone winning the ball, not individual brilliance. Agree that Luongo should replace Jedinak. But Juric drew a foul and yellow card, so with Nabbout not mentioned, Juric to start. BvM has finally sorted out the Rogic-Mooy problem that existed under Postecoglou. They were forever in each other's way with both having an AM role. In last night's setup, Mooy had to play a strictly DM role except for taking set-pieces. That was much better as Mooy could anticipate and close France's passing lanes. Behich was not as sparkling in this game as he was in the recent friendlies. Risdon was better than in the Hungary game. The other added bonus was Ryan has the freedom to play long or short. If we played Ange-ball, it probably would have been a 6-2 loss. I thought we had France on the back foot from about the 30th to tbe 80th minute. Just watched replay now and we really had them from even around the 16th with that chance. Amazing how we took it to them. Sainsbury was epic.
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+x+x+x+xSome notable stats for the game:
2. Jedi like the last world cup was surprisingly ineffective in defence managing 0 tackles and 0 intercepts. His discipling in staying in position is useful but he was a traffic cone at times
Although winning few tackles, Jedi was often part of a defensive combination of first, second and third defender. It was often the work of the unit as a whole that resulted in someone winning the ball, not individual brilliance. Agree that Luongo should replace Jedinak. But Juric drew a foul and yellow card, so with Nabbout not mentioned, Juric to start. BvM has finally sorted out the Rogic-Mooy problem that existed under Postecoglou. They were forever in each other's way with both having an AM role. In last night's setup, Mooy had to play a strictly DM role except for taking set-pieces. That was much better as Mooy could anticipate and close France's passing lanes. Behich was not as sparkling in this game as he was in the recent friendlies. Risdon was better than in the Hungary game. The other added bonus was Ryan has the freedom to play long or short. If we played Ange-ball, it probably would have been a 6-2 loss. I thought we had France on the back foot from about the 30th to tbe 80th minute. Just watched replay now and we really had them from even around the 16th with that chance. Amazing how we took it to them. Sainsbury was epic. Sainsbury was MOTM according to some british outlets. Sainsbury to BL2 if he keeps up that type of performance. I hope France pump Peru and Denmark
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76min. A game changer for me. Irvine blocks and Juric gains it. Juric starts his stride and Tolisso is behind. Umtiti moves towards Juric leaving Leckie open and sprinting. Varane is busy on Kruse. A fresh Irvine has also started his sprint.
It would have been a 2 on 1 with Tolisso and Umtiti backtracking and a fresh Irvine and Juric in the middle. Tolisso clips Juric and gets a yellow.
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The second French goal saw Juric and Irvine stop and not press Pogba from behind. Jedinak moved up but the quick ball to Giroud had Sainsbury out of the line. Behich just missed the block. What a shame.
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The morning after the night before some thoughts
1. That pen... personally dont likd the var as it undermines the ref maybe i am old fashioned. I think risdon made contact was trying to play the ball and certainly didn't make enough contact fof the french player to go over in s screaming heap.
2. The ref needs to be reminded that physical contact and jostling for the ball is allowed, but throwing yourself to the ground like a ballerina who had been muay thai kicked in the leg is not. Some of the french e.g. hernandez stand up and take a bow, were falling faster than autumn leaves. Leckie gets a yellow for his first strong tackle and the ref lets diving have free reign.
3. How come that handball didn't result in a red? Cross comes in and you fist it away so far post socceroos cant tap it in....
4. Not wild that we just parked the bus and pumped it long half the time. Our attack rarelly threatened, no shots from distance no real saves from their keeper.
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+x+x+x+x+xSome notable stats for the game:
2. Jedi like the last world cup was surprisingly ineffective in defence managing 0 tackles and 0 intercepts. His discipling in staying in position is useful but he was a traffic cone at times
Although winning few tackles, Jedi was often part of a defensive combination of first, second and third defender. It was often the work of the unit as a whole that resulted in someone winning the ball, not individual brilliance. Agree that Luongo should replace Jedinak. But Juric drew a foul and yellow card, so with Nabbout not mentioned, Juric to start. BvM has finally sorted out the Rogic-Mooy problem that existed under Postecoglou. They were forever in each other's way with both having an AM role. In last night's setup, Mooy had to play a strictly DM role except for taking set-pieces. That was much better as Mooy could anticipate and close France's passing lanes. Behich was not as sparkling in this game as he was in the recent friendlies. Risdon was better than in the Hungary game. The other added bonus was Ryan has the freedom to play long or short. If we played Ange-ball, it probably would have been a 6-2 loss. I thought we had France on the back foot from about the 30th to tbe 80th minute. Just watched replay now and we really had them from even around the 16th with that chance. Amazing how we took it to them. Sainsbury was epic. Sainsbury was MOTM according to some british outlets. Sainsbury to BL2 if he keeps up that type of performance. I hope France pump Peru and Denmark In my opinion, Sainsbury is better than BL2.
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+xThe morning after the night before some thoughts 1. That pen... personally dont likd the var as it undermines the ref maybe i am old fashioned. I think risdon made contact was trying to play the ball and certainly didn't make enough contact fof the french player to go over in s screaming heap. 2. The ref needs to be reminded that physical contact and jostling for the ball is allowed, but throwing yourself to the ground like a ballerina who had been muay thai kicked in the leg is not. Some of the french e.g. hernandez stand up and take a bow, were falling faster than autumn leaves. Leckie gets a yellow for his first strong tackle and the ref lets diving have free reign. 3. How come that handball didn't result in a red? Cross comes in and you fist it away so far post socceroos cant tap it in.... 4. Not wild that we just parked the bus and pumped it long half the time. Our attack rarelly threatened, no shots from distance no real saves from their keeper. Risdon played and touched the ball first so the contact was voided as it was part of the same movement. The handball would have been a red prior to the rule change. The punishment was the penalty. A send off would mean that they were being punished twice. Their keeper made a fantastic save when Mooy's free kick was deflected.
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Agreed i meant i thought tisdon made contact with the ball to start with and then on the follow through made light contact with the player who made a drama of it
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+xDid anyone else see the pass Arzani did from the edge of the box at death only to then be knocked down by two French players? If he'd screamed loud enough been wearing blue he'd have gotten a free kick.
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It is a bit sad to see a few people keep discussing various Aussie players' performances as being commensurate with such and such at club level.
The Socceroos did very well.
Forget about being equivalent to whichever league in the world, last night's game in the World Cup against a powerhouse in France, whose players all play in the very top teams of the European big five, is a standard that many domestic players in the big five leagues in Europe never play at in their entire careers!
There were would be many excellent domestic players in France, England, Spain, Germany and Italy, who never ever play at the highest level of international football.
All the Socceroos last night probably performed creditably against the best footballers on the planet.
We should be very proud of the whole team.
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As a centre back last night, Milligan frequently had very good body shape as he received and passed the ball as he was facing the play at the perfect angle.
Conversely, Risdon's body shape as he was defending, was problematic, particularly earlier in the game. He often tackled off balance, and gave away a foul. On the ball he had some superb first touches and demonstrated great skill at times.
BVM in just four games, Norway ( shocking), Czech Republic ( heavy legs), Hungary ( heavy legs) and France, has done wonders for the Socceroos. He is probably the best coach we've ever had.
Although Hiddink only brought in Neeskens, whereas BVM brought in Van Bommel et al. They numbered about six extra coaches.
What many on here lose sight of, is that in 2006, 2010 and 2014, only 6 coaches have coached a team to a World Cup Final - the highest level of football.
BVM is one of these 6 coaches. His team featured nearly a whole defence playing in the modest Eredivisie too. BVM value added to the team.
Two years later, Holland were ignominiously bundled out of the European champs under BVM. Nothing stays constant in football and there are such fine margins as exemplified last night.
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4. Rogic our most accurate passer at 95% and managed to win a couple of 1v1s in attack, second best on ground after Mbappe. Also drew third most fouls after hernandez (6) and kruse (5). Pogba made things difficult for him however. Him and mooy were key but hope they play better next time.
I found Rogic's stats fascinating. As I've always found with stats at the end of any game surprises occur in the odd players who did things better than one expected. Rogic appeared to have very little ball. He was in a section of the pitch where he had little space. To have such high passing accuracy is phenomenal, as he was constantly playing them under the pressure of limited time and space against some of the best players in the world.
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+x+x+xSome notable stats for the game:
2. Jedi like the last world cup was surprisingly ineffective in defence managing 0 tackles and 0 intercepts. His discipling in staying in position is useful but he was a traffic cone at times
Although winning few tackles, Jedi was often part of a defensive combination of first, second and third defender. It was often the work of the unit as a whole that resulted in someone winning the ball, not individual brilliance. Agree that Luongo should replace Jedinak. When the other team has the ball, Jedi holds better position. Also, Jedi knows his own game so well he is capable of organising players around him. Luongo lacks that international experience - at this point in time. The game against France last night was at a standard way, way above the Championship. For any of our players in any of their club leagues, France last night was a huge step up.
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+xWe seen today the difference between a tactically sound manager able to adapt and one not in the past Ange.We were set up brilliant today by BVM who set up the his team to suit the opponents.They all knew there job and roles. The vestiges of Ange-ball were still there- trying to play out from deep at the back when it really wasn't on still happened a few times. One thingBvM has done is to coach us to be patient in the first half hour. Mooy gets hammered for passing backwards and side wards but that is part of the instruction to be patient. One key observation is that French were quicker to the ball. Some of that was genuine speed, but we also seem to hesitate or just not react fast enough-an example was Behich's effort on Pogba for the goal.
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+x+x+x+xSome notable stats for the game:
2. Jedi like the last world cup was surprisingly ineffective in defence managing 0 tackles and 0 intercepts. His discipling in staying in position is useful but he was a traffic cone at times
Although winning few tackles, Jedi was often part of a defensive combination of first, second and third defender. It was often the work of the unit as a whole that resulted in someone winning the ball, not individual brilliance. Agree that Luongo should replace Jedinak. When the other team has the ball, Jedi holds better position. Also, Jedi knows his own game so well he is capable of organising players around him. Luongo lacks that international experience - at this point in time. The game against France last night was at a standard way, way above the Championship. For any of our players in any of their club leagues, France last night was a huge step up. The most pressure we came under in that game was whenever Jedinak touched the ball, countless times he put us in shit situations with a shit pass or bad touch.
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+x+xWe seen today the difference between a tactically sound manager able to adapt and one not in the past Ange.We were set up brilliant today by BVM who set up the his team to suit the opponents.They all knew there job and roles. One thingBvM has done is to coach us to be patient in the first half hour. Mooy gets hammered for passing backwards and side wards but that is part of the instruction to be patient. Where a player passes defends on the efficacy of the off the ball movement of his team-mates - just before the ball carrier receives it. Players are coached in opening the most effective passing lane to support their teammates. Players have said BVM has done a lot of work trying to improve players' footwork. This is in order to try to get player to turn quickly before they receive, so they have better body position to play or move forwards. Mooy often passed backwards and sideways, because team-mates further forwards were not checking as effectively as they could. They weren't shaking their markers in order to create sufficient space and open a viable passing lane.
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+xIt is a bit sad to see a few people keep discussing various Aussie players' performances as being commensurate with such and such at club level. The Socceroos did very well. Forget about being equivalent to whichever league in the world, last night's game in the World Cup against a powerhouse in France, whose players all play in the very top teams of the European big five, is a standard that many domestic players in the big five leagues in Europe never play at in their entire careers! There were would be many excellent domestic players in France, England, Spain, Germany and Italy, who never ever play at the highest level of international football. All the Socceroos last night probably performed creditably against the best footballers on the planet. We should be very proud of the whole team. Any thoughts on Kruse & Rogic? I feel like they've had the chance to prove their worth over the last couple of weeks and shown nil to nothing. Time for someone else to get a chance.
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City Sam
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+x+xIt is a bit sad to see a few people keep discussing various Aussie players' performances as being commensurate with such and such at club level. The Socceroos did very well. Forget about being equivalent to whichever league in the world, last night's game in the World Cup against a powerhouse in France, whose players all play in the very top teams of the European big five, is a standard that many domestic players in the big five leagues in Europe never play at in their entire careers! There were would be many excellent domestic players in France, England, Spain, Germany and Italy, who never ever play at the highest level of international football. All the Socceroos last night probably performed creditably against the best footballers on the planet. We should be very proud of the whole team. Any thoughts on Kruse & Rogic? I feel like they've had the chance to proof their worth over the last couple of weeks and shown nil to nothing. Time for someone else to get a chance. Defensively Kruse was class if you ask me, he helped Risdon out so much and won a number of fouls to relieve the pressure.
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