This is a huge point that I feel is missing within the current make up of the sport!
So much emphasis is placed on these early age prodigies and as cliche as it may sound from what I see they are advanced purely due to athleticism in the early stages.
Quite a number of great decision makers playing that have not been identified by the State TIDC and therefor the aleague clubs as their scouting method is to purely look at players from the TIDC. In my opinion a large % of the wrong players are getting through the system

If you don't know the concepts of BP and BPO you must have done your C Licence a long time ago - well before 2008.

They are fundamental and integral parts of the four main moments of the game in France, Germany, Spain, Holland and Belgium. They are not 'crap' concepts, but an integral part of modern football. 

To do a C Licence now, one has to have a senior Licence or a Game Training ( former youth licence) certificate at least.



One current FFA coach educator claims the current FFA C Licence is a much higher coaching accreditation than the former A Licence in the 90s.

I've missed good kids in trials too.

The state TD and I missed some kids, who according to others who knew them well, just underperformed at trials.



Thankfully, I got them into the program at  a later date after booting some arrogant kids out. One of the late recruits got into  the state team, but hasn't yet made it into senior NPL ranks.

The players who've got into senior NPL ranks have been the hard workers, forever trying to improve their game. Not the ones with most talent, who often  had tickets on themselves. Moreover, they couldn't see,  when told by a number of different coaches, where they needed to improve their own weaknesses. They thought they were already very good! And, haven't progressed to NPL senior level yet.

We may not be producing robots but there is an argument that we are producing super technical midgets

caletti: 5ft 4
arzani 5ft 7
mcgree 5ft 10
pasquali 5ft 9

Not only do you spread mayo all over the forum you are a bit slow in the uptake, perhaps your milieu is not conducive to comprehending the data.

I know it may be difficult for a football prodigy like you to accept, but the concepts of football phases are no secret and the U10's at our club understand (probably them better than) you so no need for you try to explain them.

Also you are talking crap about the minimum requirements to do C-License, check the FFA website before you start making up more facts.

Unfortunately Decentric, there are too many guys like you out there who know how to use a football thesaurus and are quick to preach but have no real world experience as you have already admitted. Is it any wander we are creating robots. . 

Maradona 5 feet 4
Pele 5 feet 8
Messi 5ft 7
Iniesta 5 ft 7
Bobby Charlton 5 ft 7
Ryan Giggs  5 feet 9
Wayne Rooney 5 feet 10
Neymar  5 feet 9
Luca Modric  5 ft 8.....I could go on for days ...not bad for a bunch of " midgets "

My point is there must be a financial reason to create quality footballers otherwise it will never happen

If you want quality you have to make it profitable so people will put the resources into creating it. 

We can not continue robbing grass roots football to fund our coaching ! It is unsustainable .

The important thing is the safety net and the mentality of the player to deal with the lows, no player pathway is linear.

Maradona 5 feet 4
Pele 5 feet 8
Messi 5ft 7
Iniesta 5 ft 7
Bobby Charlton 5 ft 7
Ryan Giggs  5 feet 9
Wayne Rooney 5 feet 10
Neymar  5 feet 9
Luca Modric  5 ft 8.....I could go on for days ...not bad for a bunch of " midgets "

"Not only do you spread mayo all over the forum you are a bit slow in the uptake, perhaps your milieu is not conducive to comprehending the data..."

"Unfortunately Decentric, there are too many guys like you out there who know how to use a football thesaurus and are quick to preach ..."

True.

 Most HAL clubs see youth development as a cost, not an investment.

Da curriculums is not working. I said this years ago ffs. One track minded players .No critical thinking .No analysis. The FFA can't let go of the contrls. They need to micromanage everything .

 

If state underage rep football,  a current  NPL club youth football and current NPL club senior football isn't real world football , I don't know what you think is?

I very much doubt your under 10 team coaches, use BP, BPO, Defensive Transition ( DT) and Attacking Transition (AT) delineating the four main moments of the game  terminology and coach to these phases of the game either.

I suggest using a thesaurus yourself, mate. Just a regular one will do. Start with looking up "milieu".

Maradona 5 feet 4
Pele 5 feet 8
Messi 5ft 7
Iniesta 5 ft 7
Bobby Charlton 5 ft 7
Ryan Giggs  5 feet 9
Wayne Rooney 5 feet 10
Neymar  5 feet 9
Luca Modric  5 ft 8.....I could go on for days ...not bad for a bunch of " midgets "

seriously how is this thread even being taken seriously? Its true that these youth (and about 20 others) aren't guaranteed to make it and many of them could end up flops. But if they don't make it won't be because they are too robotic and lack flair and creativity!

like at this robot like goal abysmal


and this guy dribbling past everyone like a robot, pathetic



while we are at it tell this robot to just give up



as well as this robot



and this one




seriously how is this thread even being taken seriously? Its true that these youth (and about 20 others) aren't guaranteed to make it and many of them could end up flops. But if they don't make it won't be because they are too robotic and lack flair and creativity!

Exactly. I've always thought there needs to be some kind of development fee paid to clubs that nurture talent from 15-20. If a player goes on to play for the national side, their junior club should get a payment of, say, 100k. For A-league clubs, selling talent abroad becomes a more attractive option, as foreign professionals are more likely to play for the NT. For NPL clubs, such a sum is a huge boon: producing players capable of going on to the NT becomes a genuine potential source of income. I also think there should be some kind of extra fee paid to NPL clubs who lose players to A-league clubs for that absurd 3k development fee. A standardised retrospective 50k payment after 20 games or something, maybe? In lieu of a transfer fee.

Exactly. I've always thought there needs to be some kind of development fee paid to clubs that nurture talent from 15-20. If a player goes on to play for the national side, their junior club should get a payment of, say, 100k. For A-league clubs, selling talent abroad becomes a more attractive option, as foreign professionals are more likely to play for the NT. For NPL clubs, such a sum is a huge boon: producing players capable of going on to the NT becomes a genuine potential source of income. I also think there should be some kind of extra fee paid to NPL clubs who lose players to A-league clubs for that absurd 3k development fee. A standardised retrospective 50k payment after 20 games or something, maybe? In lieu of a transfer fee.

Thinking outside the square now that accurate records can be kept through sporting pulse etc regarding club registrations, it may be possible to introduce a tax of sorts where a percentage of national team match fees filter down through to local clubs where development took place. 

From my experience the coaches as high as state TDs are still finetuning how the curriculum is actually delivered. Coaches are certainly not sure and in some cases what coaches are being asked to do changes within a 12 month period. For example we were told at our first meeting with the head body that all teams under 13 to 15 must do game training sessions that followed a very strict structure of passing practice, positioning game (small sided game basically) game training and training game.  I was personally horrified but that was to be and we would be audited on its implementation.  Over the next few years this stance softened as the TD who was  a coach in the old system developed a less and less literal understanding of how the curriculum was to function. The other thing that was slavishly adhered to was guided discovery as the pedagogical approach. Ron Smith is particularly critical of this and I agree with him. At the outset it was almost like throw them a ball give them a task and they will just learn it by working it out themselves. Coach interventions were very much discouraged and when you did stop the activity and step in you gave another task and hoped they work it out. The theory is let them play let them make decisions. I do believe the things you learn the deepest in life are the things you grapple with and master independently. However Ron Smith is right that there needs to be room for the coach to come in and explicitly teach skills and decision making. In my opinion there needs to be a blend of guided discovery and explicit teaching and definitely scope in training players over 13 in explicit skill based activities both isolated and with game resistance. Good coaches have been doing this for 50 years here.

Bottom line is that if you are waiting for the first bunch of 6 and 7 year olds to come all the way through the system to judge whether the curriculum works or not then you are being too hasty. A national curriculum is a good idea and we should hang firm and stay committed because coaches are getting better and better in understanding how it is supposed to be delivered. There are some pretty amazing 12 and 13 year olds running around in my neck of the woods and they are not robots.

This is why many of the Northern European and Eastern European  teams will never win anything.

They select  too many big players in their teams - unlike the stars listed above.

Few are sufficiently nimble, and have the ability to change direction quickly when the ball is on the deck.