Resorts all booked up atm?

-PB

Why ? That bid was corrupt and lots of underhanded things were done ....Lowy was out of his depth in the game of FIFA politics and lost . She was on the inside and saw what was actually happening  .Should she be quiet about that ?
You seem to have as much anger toward her as you think she has for the Lowys....do you know her personally ?

Nice analysis of the CRWG report is out by Bonita.
How about the wastage of money by FFA.
Read this....

Not talking for Paulc but more for Bonita's benefit. I think she should comment less on that and more on current events as was posted above.

If she continues to just mention the WC bid she sounds like a disgruntled employee and can be easily dismissed. By commenting with authority on a wide range of subjects besetting the game that suggestion is easily dismissed. That does not mean she shouldn't continua to prosecute the WC bid, just that it should not be the pre-dominant focus - more another example of the ineptness and inappropriate behaviour of the FFA

Checkout is not for a couple of months

Well Bonita has provided an excellent analysis of the CRWG report and FFA's gripes.
Thats pretty current!

And I said that in my post - although on re-reading my post it is a bit ambiguous. The point of my post was I want her to comment on a lot of subjects - not just the WC bid.  .

In a perfect world we would have a board that is independent of vested interests and whose main focus is looking after all of football in Australia.

Unfortunately in the scenario outlined above (which isn't difficult to imagine) we would effectively have lackeys of the following - City Group, Bakries, Martin Lee, Charlsworth, Van der Pol, et al, controlling Australian Football. 

The following will happen over time;

• All existing HAL clubs will receive a larger annual payment and have all IP assigned back to them (less money for FFA)
• PFA will be looked after by having the salary cap increase by 25% or more
• The State Feds that are onside will receive more funding through a rejigged distribution of funds.
• Funding for the national teams will basically dwindle to 1990's levels.  As a result, the new FFA will decide that the current $14 or so that they receive from reg fees should increase to $280 or more to cover the cost of running the national teams.  I don't think  the HAL club owners could give a flying f#ck about the development of Aussie football.

“The following will happen over time;

All existing HAL clubs will receive a larger annual payment and have all IP assigned back to them (less money for FFA)”

Damn right they will. But that’s not an example of “vested interests” that’s an example of fairness.

The HAL clubs should retain 100% of revenues their competition raises minus a small percentage that goes towards the ffa (say 10% which would give the FFA $8m per year).

All the IP should reside with the respective clubs. On what crazy-ass planet shouldn’t it? Each club can then create its own revenue stream from merchandise

The salary cap? Meh, it can go as far as I’m concerned. Besides, that will be a question for the new independent A League and PFA to decide, not a question for the new FFA Board.

Funding for the national teams is a concern but the HAL doesn’t exist to fund the national team. It just doesn’t.

The FFA can be well funded in a new model - $8m from the HAL, $4m from FIFA, $10m (estimated) from player registrations, $1m per game for WC qualifiers, plus sponsorship plus the sale of home games to states. There’s every reason to think they’ll still have a budget of $25m-$30m per year ... that’s more than enough to fund national teams isn’t it?

@AOK

• I don't think  the HAL club owners could give a flying f#ck about the development of Aussie football.

So where would the HAL player come from

Even with that, the MFs and Independent WC has 59% of the vote. There will be a redistribution of resources but I don't think it will be as dire as you put it. 

1. The PFA will want to expand their base
2. State Feds will all fight for funding
3. Increasing SIGs will dilute power among the 4 groups now. 

Not to mention the FFA won't be spending any resources to actually run the HAL any more. It has been reported that the HAL department of the FFA is grossly over staffed (not to mention the regular spend on 'consultants'). That's a spend they would no longer be required when the HAL is made independent. That would also result in a downsize in required office space further reducing resources required. An independent HAL could (would) be run much much leaner. It's a ten team stand alone league after all. Not that complicated. Any independent HAL (or future second div for that matter) would obviously be paying some sort of fee to the FFA. That is just plain common sense. The FFA won't be anywhere near out of pocket as some have predicted. Any organisation should not be relying on a revenue stream that high anyway. They should be actively lobbying investors and government for funding. Current FFA just don't like to do any actual work.

Government got burnt $ millions with the failed WC bid that went to Qatar. Why would they want to waste more funds on football.

The NSW state government pays as much each year to keep the NRL Grand Final in Sydney. It was played there each year before the payments started and it is still being paid. In other words they are paying for something that that they previously got for nothing.

At least with the WC bid there was the potential of a substantial NEW upside.

FFA currently burns cash on trips and ridiculous salaries.They have had 15 years to build a better football model and have failed miserably.
A ten team professional mens league is all there is really and its funded by the owners not FFA.
No youth development.
No second or third division.
No promotion/ relegation.
A piddly womens competition,thats over just when it gets started.
Grassroots fees still unacceptable.
15 years and no plan for anything,except hanging onto power because the sky will fall if they lose power.

Well according to my metrics the sky has fallen.Whatever these precious grassroots are ,i have no idea.Anyone ?What do we have over the last 15 at grassroots level which is worth fighting for?...its beyond me...What are recreational players going to lose?What are elite youth players going to lose?

So by that reasoning, because the current FFA screwed up the WC bid they can never ask for money ever again? Does it make it harder? Probably. This is why active lobbying is important. The FFA need to be constantly lobbying government and potential investors. They are not going to win them all over, but if they will win some. Being reliant on a single revenue stream is just not sustainable for both the FFA and the HAL. Exploring other funding options is vital and a never ending process. The current FFA have been lazy and don't like to do any hard work. Hopefully change is not too far away.

Why do you think that we will get any of those with a new board controlled by the HAL clubs?  

Your initial revenue model for the new FFA already has an $8m hole in it.  The new FFA won't receive a penny from the HAL.  As you said yourself, the HAL doesn't exist to fund the FFA, so why would the clubs give the board anything?   The FFA board will simply raise the rego fees to fund the shortfall.

The requirements are 10 clubs with 19 local payers per club - 190 from across Australia.  All HAL clubs (with the exception of Brisbane) already extort families with fees for their "elite academies"  These same clubs which will effectively control the new board will probably just jack up their fees for their academies.  Each club just needs to find 50 suckers per age group and promote a couple of average players per season to fill the gap.

True, it might not be as dire as I think but nothing the clubs have done to date gives me any confidence that we will see a better run game in Australia.

aok, any top level league has to be sanctioned by the FFA.
Same as in other countries, FFA can and will charge a fee for an independent A League to be recognised by them.

@ aok

I think Mark from Croydon answered this as it’s basically an FFA sanctioned competition there will be some fees applicable - not least player registrstion, match officials and disciplinary charges.

The question then is how much is appropriate for the FFA?

I picked 10% as it’s a nice round number, personally I expect it to be less than this (8?) but there will be something there.

And this is a crucial point for a second division too, part of the reason we haven’t got a second division is because the ffa haven’t figured out how to slug that competition with the same level of retention as the HAL has

The rest of the world makes all this work, it’s only Lowy’s model that stuffs things up.

Holy fuck, that's a lot of cash.

-PB

@ Mark and Waz

I agree that the FFA can charge fees for sanctioning the league, but the question is what will the "fee" be if the FFA is effectively controlled by the clubs?  I think it will be Sweet FA.

My overriding concern is not that there will be a new FFA model, but that the FFA will be controlled by the HAL clubs.  Show me a realistic model where the clubs have no chance of outright control and I will give it my full support.

However incompetent (or whatever) you think the current board is, the decisions they make do not benefit them financially.  Can the same be said with the new proposed model?

There was a massive buzz and huge crowds around the HAL when it first started. It's pretty clear the FFA administration failed to capitalise on this and the growth of football. Grassroots were neglected and the FFA Cup, introduced some ten or so years later, was all they've done to try and reconnect 'old soccer' with 'new football'. They've failed miserably and it's time the league become independent to realise its true potential.
I could list many other failures of the FFA but I'd be here all night.

The A-league clubs don't control the FFA under the CRWG. They only have 28% of the vote. The FFA will still be controlled by the states. The A-league clubs don't have any interest in controlling the game, they merely want control of their IPs and more say in the A-league. Even the A-league wont be controlled by the clubs, it will be controlled by an independent body under the reformed FFA board. 

@aok
What could they do to make it worse,when they actually want a 2nd div and expansion.On top of that Hal clubs are doing the youth development.How come they are trusted to do that by FFA?
What have FFA got as a plan after 15 years?Pay themselves as much money as they can?Go on as many junkets as they can?
Get more owners to fund the HAL?
More metrics to sustain their salaries?
Cry grassroots crocodile tears as they pass the ball to HAL clubs.
Cut funding to Futsul?
Have a two month youth league?

How could anyone do worse?

I regularly wonder how much damage the failed World Cup bid did to Australian football, and particularly how much longer we will continue to feel the fallout.

Sure, the bid screwed the A-league at the time and brought it to its knees, but here we are 8/9 years later and still the negative impacts continue to screw Australian football. For example we have an FFA chairman holding on for dear life to cover up the trail of corruption whilst letting Australian football die.

And I expect the fallout to continue for years to come. All sorts of stuff, eg obtaining future govt funding.

Thanks Uncle Frank for your complete screw up :)

i reckon that video promoting australias world cup bid looks more like a tourism ad that has nothing to do with football what so ever. boy that was an embarrassing video

If you add in the HAL clubs, PFA and 2 state feds, the clubs get over 50% and control of the appointments to the board.