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+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. I'm wondering does that mean the Board doesn't have a quorum? 17.4 Quorum (a) Business may not be transacted at a meeting of Directors unless a quorum of Directors is present at the time the business is dealt with. (b) A quorum consists of: (i) if the Directors have fixed a number for the quorum, that number of Directors; and (ii) in any other case, four Directors (at least two of whom are entitled to vote), present at the meeting of Directors https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2018-10/CON%2018-1016%20FFA%20Constitution%20-%2016%20October%202018%20-%20FINAL.pdf
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+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. With Nogarotto, Reid and Carrozzi have stated they will recuse themselves from the Board process. Have they ? Reid said she was looking at her situation. Haven't heard any statements
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Lets be clear, they arent specifically biased against South, they are biased against the type of club South would be. They do not want a club that has hundreds of junior boys/girls across all age levels entering their exclusive club. They dont want the type of club where someone can rock up to watch the team train and then have a meal in the social club and mingle with players and other supporters. They don’t want the potential scenario where a kid in Souths current under 11s makes his A league debut in 6-7 years time coming up through the ranks at the one club. Its not about money or specifically fearing South. They fear the model that South represents and they want that as far away from the top level as possible. Thats why the ffa arent keen and thats why Victory/city have lobbied against South. Its not personal, its business.
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+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities.
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15 years on, you'd hope the new FFA board can go with what's right
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+xLets be clear, they arent specifically biased against South, they are biased against the type of club South would be. They do not want a club that has hundreds of junior boys/girls across all age levels entering their exclusive club. They dont want the type of club where someone can rock up to watch the team train and then have a meal in the social club and mingle with players and other supporters. They don’t want the potential scenario where a kid in Souths current under 11s makes his A league debut in 6-7 years time coming up through the ranks at the one club. Its not about money or specifically fearing South. They fear the model that South represents and they want that as far away from the top level as possible. Thats why the ffa arent keen and thats why Victory/city have lobbied against South. Its not personal, its business. Really? It seems like a sustainable model to me... Madness that the FFA wouldn't at least consider this model. I agree that there is a bias against South but the question is, have the FFA discounted those thoughts and weighed up the merits of all bids properly?
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+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. Benjamin, your original quote ended with "Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. " This is simply untrue. The FFA that ends this process is "disparately different" to the FFA that started the process. As far as your characterisations of the board members, consultants etc basically being Lowy stooges, this is pure conjecture on your part. You have framed your argument as "If the undeniable brilliance of the South bid is rejected, it's because of the evil Lowy and his mindless drones". This may be true, and if it is, I feel sorry for South and their supporters. Conversely you and other South supporters might need to be a little more introspective and realise that if your club fails for a second time, the failing may lay with the quality of the bid. Either way good luck to South.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet. Well the club appears confident..nobody else is. To be fair most are pretty bitter about the last expansion process, and with good reason as the bid that knocked us off technically folded (heart)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet. Well the club appears confident..nobody else is. To be fair most are pretty bitter about the last expansion process, and with good reason as the bid that knocked us off technically folded (heart) Heart didn't fold any more than Adelaide did last Season
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet. Well the club appears confident..nobody else is. To be fair most are pretty bitter about the last expansion process, and with good reason as the bid that knocked us off technically folded (heart) Definitely didn't fold. Heart was sold for between $11mil and $12mil.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet. Well the club appears confident..nobody else is. To be fair most are pretty bitter about the last expansion process, and with good reason as the bid that knocked us off technically folded (heart) Definitely didn't fold. Heart was sold for between $11mil and $12mil. The brand was dead. They cashed in.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet. Well the club appears confident..nobody else is. To be fair most are pretty bitter about the last expansion process, and with good reason as the bid that knocked us off technically folded (heart) Definitely didn't fold. Heart was sold for between $11mil and $12mil. The brand was dead. They cashed in. $12 million for something dead ? 
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet. Well the club appears confident..nobody else is. To be fair most are pretty bitter about the last expansion process, and with good reason as the bid that knocked us off technically folded (heart) Definitely didn't fold. Heart was sold for between $11mil and $12mil. The brand was dead. They cashed in. $12 million for something dead ? Toilet paper for CFG
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+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. Benjamin, your original quote ended with "Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. " This is simply untrue. The FFA that ends this process is "disparately different" to the FFA that started the process. As far as your characterisations of the board members, consultants etc basically being Lowy stooges, this is pure conjecture on your part. You have framed your argument as "If the undeniable brilliance of the South bid is rejected, it's because of the evil Lowy and his mindless drones". This may be true, and if it is, I feel sorry for South and their supporters. Conversely you and other South supporters might need to be a little more introspective and realise that if your club fails for a second time, the failing may lay with the quality of the bid. Either way good luck to South. So After the old FFA board announced that each bid will be based on its own merits and treated fairly, the new board tries to merge Sydney's 2 bids to get a larger sum for the license fee, just last week.. Apologies for remaining skeptical about the new FFA Board - especially when 3 of the 6 are still hanging around Personally I think that smfc could have made a much better bid and that's without knowing what we submitted behind the scenes, but Team 11s bid is all about the latest and greatest smartphone without the hardware I have no doubt the FFA will delay expansion - not because South isn't ready - but because they don't want south and will use Team 11 as an excuse to delay any announcements regarding expansion in Melbourne as a convenient distraction. But the true motive is not to in anyway disrupt a franchise model as opposed to a club model. What guarantees do we have that team 11 will be successful and will appeal to a large enough market in their outer regions of Melbourne. Just because you have 100 grassroots clubs in your catchment, doesnt mean they like each other abd can work with each other, plenty of punch ons in this catchments when these teams play each other because their fans are gen 1 migrants, Id have a different opinion if it was their kids. point is at some point and very soon - 1 of the migrant communities in that region will dominate this team by way of attendance and the others will be alienated Difference with smfc is that it is now fully Australian, yeah there may be some greek names in the crowd but born and bred and 3rd gen Australian Citizens Team 11 will be punch on city, it has all the elements of a fragmented society
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet. Well the club appears confident..nobody else is. To be fair most are pretty bitter about the last expansion process, and with good reason as the bid that knocked us off technically folded (heart) Definitely didn't fold. Heart was sold for between $11mil and $12mil. The brand was dead. They cashed in. Never lived - never knew what they wanted to be - just a gutless fruitless basket case and that is after the FFA took our bid details and put it on Sidwells desk and basically said to him - here you go - here is your plan for success - and they still cocked it up One thing that satisfies me is that this decision hurt south - but hurt the FFA x 10....Still does and will into the future and MELB CITY were the architects for the FFA downfall and through FIFA engagement we will see the implementation of the 2nd tier within 3-5 years Thanks City - Love your work
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf South miss out again are we going to have McNamee and South fans claiming the new board put the "boot into old soccer" as well? If South miss out this time, maybe they need to at ask why two disparately different administrations have said no to their bid. When you say "two disparately different administrations", I assume you understand that the new board consists of 3 Lowy people and 3 new people, with one of the Lowy people carrying the decisive vote? I also assume you realise that the process is being overseen by two Lowy appointees and an outside body of consultants hired (and briefed) by Lowy... Make no mistake - this is the same people as before. I would have assumed that you realised that the new board appointments followed a transparent and inclusive process, but alas, this assumption appears to be incorrect. You have cleverly ignored the process that was undertaken and masterfully ignored the appointments of people unrelated to the old board. And to add the cherry to the top of the "Everyone Hates South/Old Soccer Pie" you you are still able to reach the conclusion that this board is the "same people as before" or Lowy-Light. OK, the old board and the new board both hate South and old soccer, feel better? The decision making process to select the board was transparent - but those decisions having been made, which of the following is incorrect: (1) The 6 person board includes 3 'Lowy people' (2) The 'Lowy person' who stood for re-election and missed out was the only one who came out publicly to say NCIP should be scrapped. (3) The chairman of the board, who carries the deciding vote, was a Lowy person (who talked out against the NPL and supported NCIP) (4) The CEO of the FFA is a Lowy appointee on a huge wage (5) The head of the A-league is a Lowy appointee (6) The consultants hired to run the selection process for expansion were hired and briefed at Lowy's request (7) The final decision on who to bring in as expansion options will be made by a 6 person board, with 3 Lowy-people who can outvote the 3 non-Lowy people courtesy of the controlling vote of a man who dislikes the NPL and likes the NCIP (8) They will make their decision based on analyis by a Lowy appointed CEO, Head of A-League, and consultancy firm. Maybe after detailed analysis 2 non-South bids may be the best options - perhaps Team11 or WMG have been able to demonstrate that their key point of difference (the regional stadiums) will actually happen; but it can't be denied that the FFA that ends this process isn't that far from the FFA that started the process. You have consistently been the voice of reason for South. Seems you have started on the negative track already. Announcement not even made yet and South have started in on the "they hate cos we're wogs" and "they're all corrupt, there is no way anybody can be better than us", "it doesn't matter how good our bid, it will never be accepted by the dark forces arranged against us." You lot are worse than Pauline Hanson supporters. I note you didn't address the issue of which of the 8 points was incorrect. Meanwhile, I don't think they hate "Us" because "we're wogs", because I'm not a "wog" - I think they dislike the idea of a club rather than a franchise stepping into their business. I suspect that they will feel that an established club coming in and surviving will prove that their 15 year run was built on a fraudulent concept that alienated the majority of the football community in the country. It's not because we're an ethnic club, it's because we are not one of their entities. My point isn't about your points. It's not about anybody there being Greek or not Greek. It's about the volume of the whingeing (howling) happening and you haven't even lost yet. It's like a teenager blathering out a million excuses about how everything and everybody is against them and how they are sure to fail, despite all the work they've done, and they haven't even entered the exam room yet. Well the club appears confident..nobody else is. To be fair most are pretty bitter about the last expansion process, and with good reason as the bid that knocked us off technically folded (heart) Definitely didn't fold. Heart was sold for between $11mil and $12mil. The brand was dead. They cashed in. $12 million for something dead ? City Paid $12 million for the Licence - Not Heart
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I'm a avid PL supporter here in Sydney for a long time and to date as well as trying to support AL for its football I love.....pity politics get in the way as usual. Nothing changes it seems. FFA have a lot to answer for last 15yrs (intro pro/rel etc) and now we are hoping for a better direction but we wait........ How does any established old or new Club get into a Franchise system ? Is it just paying the Franchise fee ? ++++++++++++ ? Does it play under its old name ? or a new one to suit the Franchise system ? I don't get ol soka going into AL in its current guise, as much as I'd love to see Syd United/APIA/Olympic etc be in top flight amongst SMFC etc how do you fit a square peg in a round hole ? I wish it all could just get dismantled and we start again with a refreshed AL1/2 with all the clubs who qualify with Finance's/ground standards etcetc.....but its all too hard - too many bitching this and that despite for the bigger picture. This has been Footballs problem here for decades, Clubs caring more for themselves than for the game overall, this and past admin/s have got us in this position once again.
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So now South claim they are going to sign Kurtz as coach and make him the highest paid coach in the league.
If they are playing fantasy football why get a coach from another a league team?
What happened to roberto carlos boys?
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All without spending one marketing dollar and paid for with 1500 attendances.
In a resort somewhere
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