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+xIirc - the NZC belief is that in any box of Kookaburra balls, they always choose the darkest balls for swing... lirc?
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+x+xIirc - the NZC belief is that in any box of Kookaburra balls, they always choose the darkest balls for swing... lirc? Paddles take a squizz at the quizz I posted on Shield thread.
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+x+xIirc - the NZC belief is that in any box of Kookaburra balls, they always choose the darkest balls for swing... lirc? "If I recall correctly" -
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Looking at the top ten Shield batting averages in the Shield thread makes for interesting reading.
Khawaja is top with 43 plus.
Maxwell and Shaun Marsh are next with 41 apiece.
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Also Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, and has played 50 FC games.
I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older players with a similar average.
Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd.
Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile.
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+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40.
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+x+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40. Cameron White has never played test match cricket as a batsman.
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+x+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40. Initially, White played as a bowling all rounder, like Steve Smith. Both stagnated as leg spinners and concentrated on batting.
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+x+x+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40. Initially, White played as a bowling all rounder, like Steve Smith. Both stagnated as leg spinners and concentrated on batting. Actually White and Smith both played as specialist bowlers.
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+x+x+x+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40. Initially, White played as a bowling all rounder, like Steve Smith. Both stagnated as leg spinners and concentrated on batting. Actually White and Smith both played as specialist bowlers. Or specialist foils from the hairdressers... :P
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+x+x+x+x+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40. Initially, White played as a bowling all rounder, like Steve Smith. Both stagnated as leg spinners and concentrated on batting. Actually White and Smith both played as specialist bowlers. Or specialist foils from the hairdressers... :P LOL!
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+xMy Australian side assuming it is a fast bouncy green top is Harris Burns Khawaja Head Patterson Finch Paine Cummins Starc Jhye Richardson Hazlewood It includes 5 batsmen who have opened in first class cricket to some extent. Patterson made century on the ground a couple of weeks and Jhye Richardson took 8/47 and 3/58 in the same match. I think Lyon is too good, and too experienced a player to leave out. I'm not sure of you've watched much test cricket played by Australia overseas in the last last few years, but he is our most valuable player and first on the team sheet with Paine. Other than disgraced batsmen, Smith and Warner, no other top six batman has established a place in the team. The pace bowlers suffer from injures, and don't have the endurance to bowl successive long innings - as they are strike bowlers. Other than Paine being best gloveman in the country, Lyon and him are the only certainties to play, along with Hazlewood and Cummins.
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+xMy Australian side assuming it is a fast bouncy green top is Harris Burns Khawaja Head Patterson Finch Paine Cummins Starc Jhye Richardson Hazlewood It includes 5 batsmen who have opened in first class cricket to some extent. Patterson made century on the ground a couple of weeks and Jhye Richardson took 8/47 and 3/58 in the same match. I've just had a look at Richardson's bowling action on Youtube. His follow through puts quite a strain on the body - a bit like Cummins. In the recent Tasmania/Queensland Shield game, Riley Merdith, who bowls very fast, puts less strain on the body with a smoother action than Richardson. Meredith took 3 Queensland wickets on a dead pitch in the second innings. He went for less than three an over too. A further pleasing phenomenon in this game, was the performance of leg spinner, Mitchell Swepson. He took 4-99. He is the first specialist spin bowler to be used at Bellerive for a while, certainly by the home team.
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+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India...And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/australia-vs-india-test-series-aussie-bowlers-wakeup-call/news-story/ec7c09e0ea8be37dda8c8df3fdeef636Australia’s pace attack - consisting of Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins and Josh Hazlewood - was outperformed in nearly every bowling department, according to data from CricViz stats guru Freddie Wilde. His data shows that India’s Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami found more swing and speed in Adelaide, while also bowling a better line and length. The only ball-tracking metric Australia bettered India in was speed, and it only did so by 1km/ph (142.6 to 141.6).
Wilde found India’s fast bowlers hit good areas almost half the time (48 per cent), while Australia’s quicks could only do so with 37 per cent of its deliveries. The speed and discipline of Bumrah, Sharma and Shami saw the bowlers break new ground for India against non-Asian opponent. Since 2006, India has never bowled quicker and more accurate in a Test match against South Africa, England, New Zealand or Australia, CricViz found on day five. Shami, Bumrah and Sharma took 14 wickets at 23.8 in the first Test, while Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins only took 11 at 27.45. To be fair - SA and Eng matches did not go into day 5 all that often :P But this current crop of vegetarians are able to bowl seam and swing at high quality...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim Nopes, what I am saying, despite my degrees, is that while I am highly logical, I am not a scientist. So given my love for cricket - I have read scientists opinion on the matter - and there is no majority opinion or accepted scientific fact as yet... SOme guys have even concluded clouds and humidity don't matter at all - which some cricket fans have trouble to accept... What we know is - a cricket ball swings, wrist position matters and a Dukes swings more than a Kookie... Everything else - is debated by the pro's...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim Nopes, what I am saying, despite my degrees, is that while I am highly logical, I am not a scientist. So given my love for cricket - I have read scientists opinion on the matter - and there is no majority opinion or accepted scientific fact as yet... SOme guys have even concluded clouds and humidity don't matter at all - which some cricket fans have trouble to accept... What we know is - a cricket ball swings, wrist position matters and a Dukes swings more than a Kookie... Everything else - is debated by the pro's...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim Nopes, what I am saying, despite my degrees, is that while I am highly logical, I am not a scientist. So given my love for cricket - I have read scientists opinion on the matter - and there is no majority opinion or accepted scientific fact as yet... SOme guys have even concluded clouds and humidity don't matter at all - which some cricket fans have trouble to accept... What we know is - a cricket ball swings, wrist position matters and a Dukes swings more than a Kookie... Everything else - is debated by the pro's... Ah well, we will just have to agree to disagree. I look forward to the match with great interest, due to the matter we are discussing. It will be interesting to see how the swing is affected on dry days compared to humid days. If the only constant is the humidity affecting all the swing bowlers, then this subject will be discussed by many outside of us. Regards jaszyjim
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim Nopes, what I am saying, despite my degrees, is that while I am highly logical, I am not a scientist. So given my love for cricket - I have read scientists opinion on the matter - and there is no majority opinion or accepted scientific fact as yet... SOme guys have even concluded clouds and humidity don't matter at all - which some cricket fans have trouble to accept... What we know is - a cricket ball swings, wrist position matters and a Dukes swings more than a Kookie... Everything else - is debated by the pro's... Ah well, we will just have to agree to disagree. I look forward to the match with great interest, due to the matter we are discussing. It will be interesting to see how the swing is affected on dry days compared to humid days. If the only constant is the humidity affecting all the swing bowlers, then this subject will be discussed by many outside of us. Regards jaszyjim =-) And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim Nopes, what I am saying, despite my degrees, is that while I am highly logical, I am not a scientist. So given my love for cricket - I have read scientists opinion on the matter - and there is no majority opinion or accepted scientific fact as yet... SOme guys have even concluded clouds and humidity don't matter at all - which some cricket fans have trouble to accept... What we know is - a cricket ball swings, wrist position matters and a Dukes swings more than a Kookie... Everything else - is debated by the pro's... Ah well, we will just have to agree to disagree. I look forward to the match with great interest, due to the matter we are discussing. It will be interesting to see how the swing is affected on dry days compared to humid days. If the only constant is the humidity affecting all the swing bowlers, then this subject will be discussed by many outside of us. Regards jaszyjim =-) And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue... Gday Paddles, new to this forum & thought I would shake the tree to see what fell. I have probably read all the same articles as you including R.D.Mehta - Fluid Mechanics of Ball Swing. Bit of fun, but as you said "And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue", jaszyjim
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+x+xMy Australian side assuming it is a fast bouncy green top is Harris Burns Khawaja Head Patterson Finch Paine Cummins Starc Jhye Richardson Hazlewood It includes 5 batsmen who have opened in first class cricket to some extent. Patterson made century on the ground a couple of weeks and Jhye Richardson took 8/47 and 3/58 in the same match. I think Lyon is too good, and too experienced a player to leave out. I'm not sure of you've watched much test cricket played by Australia overseas in the last last few years, but he is our most valuable player and first on the team sheet with Paine. Other than disgraced batsmen, Smith and Warner, no other top six batman has established a place in the team. The pace bowlers suffer from injures, and don't have the endurance to bowl successive long innings - as they are strike bowlers. Other than Paine being best gloveman in the country, Lyon and him are the only certainties to play, along with Hazlewood and Cummins. Lyon is not getting dropped, I know that. He was the best Australian player in the test match. I was talking in the case of hypothetical very fast bouncy green top which I do not think is going to happen either. There has been talk every year of the old conditions coming back and it just does not happen.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim Nopes, what I am saying, despite my degrees, is that while I am highly logical, I am not a scientist. So given my love for cricket - I have read scientists opinion on the matter - and there is no majority opinion or accepted scientific fact as yet... SOme guys have even concluded clouds and humidity don't matter at all - which some cricket fans have trouble to accept... What we know is - a cricket ball swings, wrist position matters and a Dukes swings more than a Kookie... Everything else - is debated by the pro's... Ah well, we will just have to agree to disagree. I look forward to the match with great interest, due to the matter we are discussing. It will be interesting to see how the swing is affected on dry days compared to humid days. If the only constant is the humidity affecting all the swing bowlers, then this subject will be discussed by many outside of us. Regards jaszyjim =-) And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue... Gday Paddles, new to this forum & thought I would shake the tree to see what fell. I have probably read all the same articles as you including R.D.Mehta - Fluid Mechanics of Ball Swing. Bit of fun, but as you said "And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue", jaszyjim All good - glad to have you here... Make yourself at home :-)
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+x+x+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40. Cameron White has never played test match cricket as a batsman. Yes he has. in 2008. Welcome to the greatest sports/cricket forum on the Net jazyjim. Call me Baggers.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim Nopes, what I am saying, despite my degrees, is that while I am highly logical, I am not a scientist. So given my love for cricket - I have read scientists opinion on the matter - and there is no majority opinion or accepted scientific fact as yet... SOme guys have even concluded clouds and humidity don't matter at all - which some cricket fans have trouble to accept... What we know is - a cricket ball swings, wrist position matters and a Dukes swings more than a Kookie... Everything else - is debated by the pro's... Ah well, we will just have to agree to disagree. I look forward to the match with great interest, due to the matter we are discussing. It will be interesting to see how the swing is affected on dry days compared to humid days. If the only constant is the humidity affecting all the swing bowlers, then this subject will be discussed by many outside of us. Regards jaszyjim =-) And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue... Gday Paddles, new to this forum & thought I would shake the tree to see what fell. I have probably read all the same articles as you including R.D.Mehta - Fluid Mechanics of Ball Swing. Bit of fun, but as you said "And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue", jaszyjim
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+x+x+x+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40. Cameron White has never played test match cricket as a batsman. Yes he has. in 2008. Welcome to the greatest sports/cricket forum on the Net jazyjim. Call me Baggers. No Baggers - he hasn't... White was playing as the primary spinner in 3 of those tests, and the second spinner in the 4th... He batted at 8 in all matches...
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+x+x+x+xAlso Kurtis Patterson has an average of 41. He is only 25 years old, have played 50 FC games. I cannot remember him playing any memorable innings at Bellerive though. Given his younger age, he is a better option than older payers with a similar average. Batters like Bailey, Matt Wade and White are all too old, unless they were currently averaging about 50 odd. Doolan is probably a better stroke maker and more stylish than any of these batters, but has underachieved and is mentally fragile. DC Shaun Marsh is 15 days older than White. He has had a similar FC average to the West Aussie over the years too. Odd that he has not played more than his handful of tests when the fragile Marsh has played almost 40. Cameron White has never played test match cricket as a batsman. Yes he has. in 2008. Welcome to the greatest sports/cricket forum on the Net jazyjim. Call me Baggers. He was playing as a spinner not a batsman.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf the pitch ends up being very fast, bouncy and green like the curator claims then we might well see not a 3 and half day test but a two day test. The Australian line up will certainly struggle and I think the Indians will as well. Both attacks are certainly good enough to make use of such favourable conditions in a devastating way. It sounds like it could be a wicket to not play a spinner. India could bring in Kumar and perhaps Jhye Richardson could make his debut for Australia, perfect pitch for a young tearaway bowler. I think Kumar could come in even if Ashwin remians or Kuldeep plays. But if I were India and it is green - I would drop Ash and Rohit, bring in Vihari and Kumar... My money is on India on a greenie, though. They just have far more experience and skill in such conditions... A green pitch to them is like giving them a dustbowl... I have no idea what CA is thinking... Baggers apparently understands CA's rationale. I (and O'Keefe) seriously don't. Maybe CA is thinking if its a total shootout - the game is just random chance... and there is some merit to that... but not enough for my liking... still broken clock, twice a day and all that jazz... THE PITCHES ARE NOT PREPARED TO A CA RATIONALE. The groundsmen get to do whatever they like, they are not controlled by central authorities. Perth has historically been a fast and very bouncy pitch and this has been talked about every year. Quite often we hear the claim that this is the year we see the bounce and pace return and it has not happened. I have significant doubt it will happen this time as well, it quite possibly will be green but bounce and pace probably are not going to be like times in the past. Anyway you should know the Perth groundsman as he used to be a groundsman in NZ. What do you think of him? On a green top without a lot of pace and especially bounce India probably are favourites, stronger batting line up and a good pace attack. If it is very fast and very bouncy then I think it favours the Australian a bit. Brett Sipthorpe - made roads in NZ at the Basin and Chch... Probably commercial pressures - though the basin has always been high scoring and Chch fast (but Chch while fast has had serious nip in the past)... Intl pitches are prepared to a rationale... Brett says in the article that he has been told not to worry about it going 5 days - he said as much in the article. “I don’t know what’s happened in the past, but I haven’t had any correspondence relating to that (commercial considerations) at all,” Sipthorpe said. “For us it’s been more about there’s no Gabba in this Test series. So the only other ground that’s got the potential to be that fiery, bouncy pitch is our one. Length of time hasn’t been discussed at all. It’s just try and make it quick, try and make it bouncy...
I don’t think anyone wants to see flat five-day cricket. I think people would prefer to see it go for three and a half, four days, but exciting, tough, dour cricket. Rather than bowlers on the receiving end for five days and you end up with a dull draw..... “I’d like to see it go day four, if it stretches into day five that’s great. The main thing is to get a result.”
That is the instruction. Do not worry about a 5 day test... I have no issue with home teams preparing favorable pitches at all. I just think CA is going completely the wrong way about it by giving Indian greenie. And O'Keefe said this was the instruction a month oago on the Back Page live. It clearly is an instruction... India has the better bowlers on greenies than Australian bowlers are - they have a world class seam and swing attack. CA has not appreciated this. The rest of the world knew it after SA and England... Australia seems to want to deny it and believe their attack is better in grass - I said before the series started that its not. Ask Baggers - we have had intense debates about it endlessly. I think India has Aus trumped on grassy pitches. I genuinely and honestly do. In a shootout pitch, any dog can have its day - but overall I am favouring Indian bowlers 2 times if not 3 times to 1. Re doctoring: I think the Indian pitches vs SA in 2016 were simply and utterly ridiculous, but singificantly less doctoring than that, I am okay with entirely. I want NZC to do more of it... I want turning pitches when SA tour here for instance... Every Aussie wants to talk about nullifying Kohli - but its Bumrah, Shami, Kumar, and even the former intl widespread joke who is so vastly improved its not funny in Sharma that will win this for India... And if the SCG is a turner - they'll reel out K Yadav - the Chinaman... History says India suck as fast bowlers and have great batsmen... modern times says - their attack on both dustbowls and greenies - is very very good. CA should be giving them roads to suck on... I'm calling it now - Kumar is the best Indian swing bowler of all time (the guy who cannot make the team) and Bumrah - he will be the best unquestionable all surfaces seamer India has ever made - Dev and Srinath nowithstanding - and he seriously has the talent to get close to if not ATG levels. He only debut'd this year in tests. He is a phenom! He is already right now the best limited overs seamer in the world and has been for 2 years now after a 2016 debut. We get all the England, Aus and Ind cricket in NZ. I have watched these Indian bowlers a lot... Just let this sink in - Kumar - a guy who plays for India who play on dustbowls at home - averages 26 in tests with the ball - and cannot make the Indian starting team... what does this tell you about him when I tell you he is a swing bowler... do you want to give him grass to play on - or roads? (On roads - he averaged 160 in Aus last time...) To me it is a simple decision. CA see it differently. I don't get it. I seriously do not get it. He averaged 20 with swing bowling in SA this year. CA wants to give India grass after sandpapergate? Really? Kumar's not even able to crack the Indian team and outperformed every Aussie boiwler this year in SA... This is utter nonsensical thinking to me... Indian seam bowlers in this team - love grass... A grassy deck will suit a seamer more than swingman Kumar Paddles. Swing needs favorable weather conditions. Are humid, overcast days predicted in Perth come Friday? CA should be more worried about curbing Bumrah and Shama than whether Kumar will play.. Our best seamer Hazlewood will welcome another grassy deck. Perhaps Hazies lawyers have been onto CA demanding grassy decks on which his client can perform. Is sick of the roads of the past. A green top will also assist Cummins who is more of a seamer these days than the express man of his youth.The weak link is imho Starc.. neither a seamer nor a specialist swing bowler. If MCG also has a grass deck then Richardson or Tremain should come in for Starc. How did Pattinson go last game? Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing, Steyn had it swinging big at Perth earlier this season with that pig of a white Kookaburra... Don't recall any clouds around... Plus Kumar also has a McGrath-like wrist position for seam release when he wants to try and not swing it but to seam it... Kumar is the Indian greenie king, for swing or seam... He's just too slow for roads... Pattinson got smacked around by Oil. Warne wants Oil in the team. Grass keeps the ball shinier for longer for othodox swing. I know that. So humidity and overcast aiding swing is a myth? I watched a bit of that confrontation. No love lost between them. Patto must be dirty on him leaving the Bushies. OIL? Humidity affecting the ball action is science proven. Humidity affects a golf ball the same as a cricket ball as it makes what is called heavy air. This makes more friction on any object through the air & it is this friction having less effect on the shinny side that makes it swing - similar to the bias on a lawn bowl (although different maths) You will note that in golf in high humidity the players often need an extra club for the same distance, simply due to heavy air applying more friction on the ball. jaszyjim Nothing, and I mean NOTHING AT ALL concerning swinging of cricket balls has as yet been scientifically proven with majority agreement. There are many theories, there are many studies, there are many opinions, but NOTHING AT ALL has been scientifically accepted as fact.. For every opinion in one facet - there are an equal number or more of disagreeing opinions... Cricket ball swing has not yet been solved. Simple as that. Because the very first ball, shine on both sides, is likely to swing... I find peoples logic fascination. I can gather from what you are saying, is that you refuse to acknowledge that the density of air is affected by humidity. As if the density is affected, by the same logic the friction on the ball is increased, simple fact - if one side of the balls friction is decreased it will try to move faster through the air, thus causing the ball to swing. Being based in Perth, I can tell you that the ball ALWAYS swings more here on a humid day. jaszyjim Nopes, what I am saying, despite my degrees, is that while I am highly logical, I am not a scientist. So given my love for cricket - I have read scientists opinion on the matter - and there is no majority opinion or accepted scientific fact as yet... SOme guys have even concluded clouds and humidity don't matter at all - which some cricket fans have trouble to accept... What we know is - a cricket ball swings, wrist position matters and a Dukes swings more than a Kookie... Everything else - is debated by the pro's... Ah well, we will just have to agree to disagree. I look forward to the match with great interest, due to the matter we are discussing. It will be interesting to see how the swing is affected on dry days compared to humid days. If the only constant is the humidity affecting all the swing bowlers, then this subject will be discussed by many outside of us. Regards jaszyjim =-) And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue... Gday Paddles, new to this forum & thought I would shake the tree to see what fell. I have probably read all the same articles as you including R.D.Mehta - Fluid Mechanics of Ball Swing. Bit of fun, but as you said "And the great cricket ball swing debate will continue", jaszyjim Welcome to the forum.
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Looking back at the 1995/96 Shield final which SA just held on to draw and win the Shield that season it strikes me that James Brayshaw and Paul Nobes were probably better batsmen than most of the hopeless players we have playing for the Test team these days.
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