Second Test - Aus v India 2018 in Perth


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grazorblade - 15 Dec 2018 12:37 PM
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yep if we last till half an hour after lunch it could be trouble for india

we'll see though. You never know what a pitch is like until both sides have batted

True.
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baggygreenmania - 14 Dec 2018 8:36 PM
Plenty wrapping Bumrah. For me he bowls too full or too short too often.


Bumrah could've had a lot more wickets yesterday than he did. Bowling like he did, was excellent. 

He was very, very  unlucky.

 If he bowled too short sand too full by your criteria, Baggers, he caused our batters a lot of problems.
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Test_Fan - 14 Dec 2018 8:59 PM
Keyboard Warrior - 14 Dec 2018 8:54 PM

They said a bit before the end of day that Bumrah had had 14 plays and misses and 16 edges. Those figures definitely went up a bit.

Are you reading this Baggers?

It indicates bad luck from good bowling.
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jaszyjim - 14 Dec 2018 10:52 AM
Disappointed at team selection but not unexpected.
Here's my take on where we are at, leading into the Perth test from the top.

CA board - New board, no improvement, lack of statements compared to old board even you did not agree.
In fact they are so silent ,do we have someone leading cricket at the moment, seems no better if not worse than before.
Score = minus

Selectors - Based on the current selections far worse than before, how can you go into a Perth test, will be mid 40's plus on the ground
and no pace all rounder, especially with the suspect pace attack we have as mentioned by others. Adelaide proved that the bowlers cannot maintain
the effort without another to share the load.
Score  = minus

Coach - Justin was one of my all time favourite batsman & I had in my test team long before he actually was.
As a coach he can talk the talk but the only walking is the batsman getting out & walking off.
Score = ?

Captain - Paine is not a captain for a test side. The previous selectors made a huge mistake in making him captain & the new lot 
did not address it. If he was not captain, he would not be in the side as a wicket keeper batsman & CA has made a rod for their own back,
as to sack him is to proves they were wrong.
Score = minus

Vice captain - Do we have one?
Score = minus

Finch - I assume they are hoping he will turn into a Watson / Warner type player, with a view as a future possible captain.
Won't work, he is not a test player, get rid of him.
Score = minus

Harris - Refreshing & good technique, needs time and well worth giving it to him.
Score = plus

Khawaja - An enigma, so much talent but still goes out to the same delivery, would much rather see him open.
Score = plus

Marsh - The person whose inclusion I judge the whole team on, mediocre and if he is the best we have as a number 4
we will always struggle.
Score = minus

Handscomb - Don't mind he has a different technique as it makes the bowlers change their line, but mediocre again.
Score = minus

Head - Like Harris, refreshing well worth giving time in the middle.
Score = plus

Paine - enough said already, shouldn't be in the team.
Score = minus

Cummins - Down on pace, not as effective as he was & no longer that fierce wicket taking pace, OK with the bat but we need
bowlers to .be primary bowlers.
Score = minus

Starc - Struggling with the work load & would OK if a pace all rounder was included to take some of the load.
However score is based on this team selection.
Score = minus

Lyon - What can you say about this player, the only tall poppy left & still growing. Should be batting ahead of Cummnins.
Score = A plus

Hazelwood - Good solid performance, the only pace bowler to perform as he should. Needs 2 good pace men to support him.

Based on the above is why I think test cricket has a long dark future.
Until we good leadership from the top, stop this old school tie nonsense & put the current & future interests of cricket first,
we will continue to struggle.

Re lack of crowds for test matches, I sent CA an email when they first announced the channel 7 / Foxtel deal, telling them it was a big mistake.
They isolated the majority of the public from watching these lead up matches, which in turn decreases the public interest in cricket overall,
End result, no bums on seats.

Have fun with the above
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AsI read this you are glass half empty sort of person, rather than glass half full.

People with your perceptions have become omnipresent in 442 football forums in recent times.

I agree about Cricket Australia from what I know about them though. As a Tas Cricket Assoc member, nearly every idea they present to members, are shocking actions. They listen to  nothing we, the members, suggest about anything.



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baggygreenmania - 15 Dec 2018 12:40 PM
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Who can remember a first day WACA deck cracking?

Expect  to see more balls misbehaving as those cracks widen?



What time does game start?
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baggygreenmania - 15 Dec 2018 12:58 PM
baggygreenmania - 15 Dec 2018 12:40 PM

What time does game start?

Was reading that Khawaja has scored a solitary boundary from something like 200 balls faced in his last few games.. Our most accomplished current batsman at home is struggling big time. 
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Decentric - 15 Dec 2018 12:48 PM
baggygreenmania - 14 Dec 2018 8:36 PM


Bumrah could've had a lot more wickets yesterday than he did. Bowling like he did, was excellent. 

He was very, very  unlucky.

 If he bowled too short sand too full by your criteria, Baggers, he caused our batters a lot of problems.

 I was referring to Adelaide DC and the morning session yesterday.. Picked up after lunch.
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Test_Fan - 14 Dec 2018 8:21 PM
Decentric - 14 Dec 2018 8:03 PM

It is not a great idea to give away a wicket and get a new batsman in against the new ball no matter who it is. Marsh and Head were set and both gave away their wickets, now Paine and Cummins have to start against the new ball.

Head lost his with that reckless shot.
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baggygreenmania - 15 Dec 2018 1:13 PM
Test_Fan - 14 Dec 2018 8:21 PM

Head lost his with that reckless shot.

McGrath just said that Australia will roll India cheaply and be back batting this evening. Big call Pidge.
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grazorblade - 15 Dec 2018 12:37 PM
City Sam - 15 Dec 2018 12:18 PM

yep if we last till half an hour after lunch it could be trouble for india

we'll see though. You never know what a pitch is like until both sides have batted

Mcgrath thinks we will be back into bat later today, the pitch is in a really bad way with the cracks.
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Decentric - 15 Dec 2018 12:55 PM
jaszyjim - 14 Dec 2018 10:52 AM

AsI read this you are glass half empty sort of person, rather than glass half full.

People with your perceptions have become omnipresent in 442 football forums in recent times.

I agree about Cricket Australia from what I know about them though. As a Tas Cricket Assoc member, nearly every idea they present to members, are shocking actions. They listen to  nothing we, the members, suggest about anything.



Your comments reflect your total lack of logic, which is why Australian cricket is where it is at.
This glass half full stuff is nonsense.
If you are filling a glass up at some time it becomes half full, if you are emptying at some time it becomes half empty.
Nothing mystical, just logic.
I love my cricket & especially love Australian cricket doing exceptionally well with exceptional tall poppies that just keep growing.
The only tall poppy we have is Lyon - and he still is growing, all the rest are still struggling to reach a medium size poppy
and some have already had their heads cut off, they just don't know it.
The problem I see, is that there is nothing out there, especially in mainstream media that acknowledges where we are at & what is
needed to make Australian test cricket great again (to coin a phrase).
I was hoping my post would generate some good hard looks, at what is really required to get our test team up there again,
and generate good positive debate to do so.
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The Indian bowlers need to look at Tim Southee's opening spell for New Zealand this morning. He pitched up benefited from the helpful conditions. Boult bowled more the length India are bowling here and he did not get a wicket.
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I can’t get over Jaszy Jim claiming Paine is a sub standard wicketkeeper/batsman.

TV just showed Paine has a test batting average of 38! His batting technique is one if the best in the team according to Alan Border. Beautiful pulls by Paine in this innings.
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I agree we’ve struggled in Asia in the last few years, but we’ve been competing everywhere else.

I’d contend our three pace bowlers,plus Lyon and Paine, would be contenders for any other Test team if they were available for them.

On the other hand most of our batters would struggle to make any other Test nation, particularly in Asia.
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Paine and Cummins have made nearly 50 in this partnership.

6-299 looks good on this pitch.
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Decentric - 15 Dec 2018 1:59 PM
JJI agree we’ve struggled in Asia in the last few years, but we’ve been competing everywhere else. I’d contend our three pace bowlers,plus Lyon and Paine, would be contenders for any other Test team if they were available for them. On the other hand most of our batters would struggle to make any other Test nation, particularly in Asia.

I will go along with that DC.

Tim and Pat going well.

Nothing misbehaving so far.

Baffling why Bumrah has not bowled as yet.



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6-300! Cheeky single!

First time we’ve made 300 for a while in the first innings.
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Keyboard Warrior - 15 Dec 2018 2:07 PM
6-300! Cheeky single!First time we’ve made 300 for a while in the first innings.

benchmark in the 90s for the oz team was try and make 600 in the test

every run here means 1 less in the second innings
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I wonder if batsmen pick up Bumrah later than other bowlers? He isn’t bowling that fast, but he beats the bat enough as though he is bowling 150kph plus.
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baggygreenmania - 15 Dec 2018 2:04 PM
Decentric - 15 Dec 2018 1:59 PM

I will go along with that DC.

Tim and Pat going well.

Nothing misbehaving so far.

Baffling why Bumrah has not bowled as yet.



Reckon Pidge may have it spot on. Its is becoming harder and harder to score.
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jaszyjim - 14 Dec 2018 10:52 AM
Disappointed at team selection but not unexpected.
Here's my take on where we are at, leading into the Perth test from the top.

CA board - New board, no improvement, lack of statements compared to old board even you did not agree.
In fact they are so silent ,do we have someone leading cricket at the moment, seems no better if not worse than before.
Score = minus

Selectors - Based on the current selections far worse than before, how can you go into a Perth test, will be mid 40's plus on the ground
and no pace all rounder, especially with the suspect pace attack we have as mentioned by others. Adelaide proved that the bowlers cannot maintain
the effort without another to share the load.
Score  = minus

Coach - Justin was one of my all time favourite batsman & I had in my test team long before he actually was.
As a coach he can talk the talk but the only walking is the batsman getting out & walking off.
Score = ?

Captain - Paine is not a captain for a test side. The previous selectors made a huge mistake in making him captain & the new lot 
did not address it. If he was not captain, he would not be in the side as a wicket keeper batsman & CA has made a rod for their own back,
as to sack him is to proves they were wrong.
Score = minus

Vice captain - Do we have one?
Score = minus

Finch - I assume they are hoping he will turn into a Watson / Warner type player, with a view as a future possible captain.
Won't work, he is not a test player, get rid of him.
Score = minus

Harris - Refreshing & good technique, needs time and well worth giving it to him.
Score = plus

Khawaja - An enigma, so much talent but still goes out to the same delivery, would much rather see him open.
Score = plus

Marsh - The person whose inclusion I judge the whole team on, mediocre and if he is the best we have as a number 4
we will always struggle.
Score = minus

Handscomb - Don't mind he has a different technique as it makes the bowlers change their line, but mediocre again.
Score = minus

Head - Like Harris, refreshing well worth giving time in the middle.
Score = plus

Paine - enough said already, shouldn't be in the team.
Score = minus

Cummins - Down on pace, not as effective as he was & no longer that fierce wicket taking pace, OK with the bat but we need
bowlers to .be primary bowlers.
Score = minus

Starc - Struggling with the work load & would OK if a pace all rounder was included to take some of the load.
However score is based on this team selection.
Score = minus

Lyon - What can you say about this player, the only tall poppy left & still growing. Should be batting ahead of Cummnins.
Score = A plus

Hazelwood - Good solid performance, the only pace bowler to perform as he should. Needs 2 good pace men to support him.

Based on the above is why I think test cricket has a long dark future.
Until we good leadership from the top, stop this old school tie nonsense & put the current & future interests of cricket first,
we will continue to struggle.

Re lack of crowds for test matches, I sent CA an email when they first announced the channel 7 / Foxtel deal, telling them it was a big mistake.
They isolated the majority of the public from watching these lead up matches, which in turn decreases the public interest in cricket overall,
End result, no bums on seats.

Have fun with the above
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I strongly disagree about Tim Paine. He has for a long time been acknowledged as the best wicket keeper in the country, only him badly injuring a finger kept him out of the team. He is the best wicketkeeper available. His batting is not at Adam Gilchrist level, but no other wicketkeeper who has played for Australia has been close to Gilchrist as a batsman. 
Wade averaged 28 with the bat at test level and is a clearly inferior wicket keeper. His performances at Shield level recently have been mostly as a specialist batsman not a wicketkeeper batsman.
Nevill averaged 22 at test level, largely dropped because Wade was supposed to make a lot more runs, it did not happen.
Paine averages 38.4 and while I have not checked I expect only Gilchrist has a better average among long term wicketkeepers for Australia.
I don't think either of the two most likely up and coming replacements Carey and Peirson are going to do any better with the bat at the moment.

So I think Paine is by far the best option, the best wicket keeper and being effective with the bat, currently making some very important runs.
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Bumrah not only has the oddest action he must have the shortest run up among all quicks. 
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Test_Fan - 15 Dec 2018 2:25 PM
jaszyjim - 14 Dec 2018 10:52 AM

I strongly disagree about Tim Paine. He has for a long time been acknowledged as the best wicket keeper in the country, only him badly injuring a finger kept him out of the team. He is the best wicketkeeper available. His batting is not at Adam Gilchrist level, but no other wicketkeeper who has played for Australia has been close to Gilchrist as a batsman. 
Wade averaged 28 with the bat at test level and is a clearly inferior wicket keeper. His performances at Shield level recently have been mostly as a specialist batsman not a wicketkeeper batsman.
Nevill averaged 22 at test level, largely dropped because Wade was supposed to make a lot more runs, it did not happen.
Paine averages 38.4 and while I have not checked I expect only Gilchrist has a better average among long term wicketkeepers for Australia.
I don't think either of the two most likely up and coming replacements Carey and Peirson are going to do any better with the bat at the moment.

So I think Paine is by far the best option, the best wicket keeper and being effective with the bat, currently making some very important runs.

Tim Paine is a class act with both gloves and bat. The man also has a steely resolve.
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Yadav hits the stumps, Cummins needed to get further forward.
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baggygreenmania - 15 Dec 2018 2:32 PM
Test_Fan - 15 Dec 2018 2:25 PM

Tim Paine is a class act with both gloves and bat. The man also has a steely resolve.

He is on his Test av @38 at present as his partner is cleaned up by Yadav. 
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Paine going back when going forward would have been better and out LBW. 
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Test_Fan - 15 Dec 2018 2:37 PM
Paine going back when going forward would have been better and out LBW. 

Another vital knock by our keeper. Ok tail time to throw the bat and get another 20.
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agression has really been rewarded because its driven indias length back

you have to bowl full on this wicket and hit the top of off even if you go for runs
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Brew - 15 Dec 2018 1:52 PM
I can’t get over Jaszy Jim claiming Paine is a sub standard wicketkeeper/batsman. TV just showed Paine has a test batting average of 38! His batting technique is one if the best in the team according to Alan Border. Beautiful pulls by Paine in this innings.

Gday Brew, jaszyjim,
I will will rephrase my thoughts on Paine as a wicket keeper.
I actually like Paine, however what I try to do is take emotion out of analysing what is required.
Most of my post re Paine is really aimed at him being a wicket keeper / captain which I will never agree with.
As a gloves man I think he is the best in Australia going around, and the only one since Healy that has the balance
and poise on a top keeper. Note the way he is balanced, stays down & moves sideways, exceptionally good.
Unfortunately we have been used to a top order collapse, the keeper's innings saving the day & I don't see him in this role.
That said, if he averages around the 30+ mark in a test, which he is doing, I don't really see anyone else to replace him with,
despite my earlier comment, which was a bit of a stir.

The separate issue is the captaincy & this is where I strongly feel he should not be it.
Little experience as a captain & here we are talking about test cricket = the best of the best.
Keep him as a keeper, even make him vice captain, but we need someone who understands the requirements
at a test level, field placings etc.
jaszyjim


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