Australia - India, Boxing Day (3rd) Test.


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baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 12:51 PM
grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 12:43 PM

I changed my post. How both average @40+ in beyond me. Plenty of not outs. Lynn does tho have a massive FC 250 on his resume.  Does Lynny have the potential to  develop into a Sehwag clone? If so then  he would make my test 11.

actually he's quite a measured batsman with a strike rate of only 55
only 8 not outs in his 1st class career he bats quite high up the order
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grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 12:43 PM
baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 12:41 PM

43 average puts him well ahead of most in the team

it doesn't matter how a batsmen plays its results that matter and he and maxwell have them

I changed my post. How both average @40+ in beyond me. Plenty of not outs. Lynn does tho have a massive FC 250 on his resume.  Does Lynny have the potential to  develop into a Sehwag clone? If so then  he would make my test 11.
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by the way lynn is a very flexible batsmen. Just because he is effective at the short formats doesn't mean he can't adjust his game

have a look at the following 1st class strike rates

Warner: 74.56
Maxwell: 73
Kane Richardson: 58
Virat Kohli: 57
Smith: 57
Joe Root: 56
Lynn: 55

We lose one of our only 4 test quality batsmen when he isn't playing
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baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 12:41 PM
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You jest about Lynn Mike. He and maxwell are two peas in same pod. 

No idea what Bancroft is planning or rather CA with Bancroft.  8.. 402 @30 82 t/s.Not exactly smashing down the door.

43 average puts him well ahead of most in the team

it doesn't matter how a batsmen plays its results that matter and he and maxwell have them
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baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 12:35 PM
grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 12:22 PM

I agree. CA just cant see it.

I like Ussie's game plan against Jadeja. Attack him forcing a deep fielder then he can better rotate the strike rather than face a succession of pressure balls.

remarkably our tail could be one of the best off all time if you select (near) our best 1st class bowling team

O'keefe, Faulkner, Cummins and Pattison

selecting that bowling squad could be a creative solution to our batting woes
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MikeR - 29 Dec 2018 12:35 PM
grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 12:30 PM

Another question what about Bancroft, he will be available in the next week or so. Should he be recalled immediately he is available, and if not because we don't know what FC form he has, shouldn't that reasoning be applied to Warner and Smith therefore not playing them in the Ashes series.

How both average @40+ in beyond me. Plenty of not outs. Lynn does tho have a massive FC 250 on his resume.  If Lynn could be another Sehwag. Then he would make my test 11.

No idea what Bancroft is planning or rather CA with Bancroft.  8.. 402 @30 82 t/s.Not exactly smashing down the door.
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MikeR - 29 Dec 2018 12:35 PM
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Another question what about Bancroft, he will be available in the next week or so. Should he be recalled immediately he is available, and if not because we don't know what FC form he has, shouldn't that reasoning be applied to Warner and Smith therefore not playing them in the Ashes series.

I don't think Bancroft is in our best 11 anyway

The other two are well ahead of their nearest rivals so they get different circumstances
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grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 12:30 PM
MikeR - 29 Dec 2018 12:28 PM

we have 3 test match quality batsmen in smith, warner and Khawaja. 4 if we can select Lynn

The best we can do is find out which of the players who average 40+ at 1st class level can be a passable test batsman. So worth bringing in burns, Patterson and Maxwell

Another question what about Bancroft, he will be available in the next week or so. Should he be recalled immediately he is available, and if not because we don't know what FC form he has, shouldn't that reasoning be applied to Warner and Smith therefore not playing them in the Ashes series.
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grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 12:22 PM
baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 12:21 PM

faulkner's 1st class stats justify his inclusion as one of the 4 specialist bowlers

I agree. CA just cant see it.

I like Ussie's game plan against Jadeja. Attack him forcing a deep fielder then he can better rotate the strike rather than face a succession of pressure balls.
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MikeR - 29 Dec 2018 12:28 PM
baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 12:21 PM

I agree another opener since Burns that hasn't measured up YET. I'll go a different idea, if we lose this test India retain trophy. Is it wise to bring in new players that are currently in T20 mode and with such a small turn around between tests is it fair to the new players to be given such a small amount of time to refine their game back to test level standard? 
To me that would be like getting 2 new openers making them fly for 20 hours and then go out to bat a day after landing, then not play them again, because the jet lag affected their performance.

we have 3 test match quality batsmen in smith, warner and Khawaja. 4 if we can select Lynn

The best we can do is find out which of the players who average 40+ at 1st class level can be a passable test batsman. So worth bringing in burns, Patterson and Maxwell
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even though jadeja got a thick edge those runs can play on an opposing captain if you can sustain it a few overs you can get the spinner out of the attack and force the pacemen to use some gas

probably makes no difference at this stage mind you
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Harris also an F. He should be given the three remaining matches of the summer. Or should he?  Ferguson and Faulkner were given a measly solitary Test. He has had two more than them.

I agree another opener since Burns that hasn't measured up YET. I'll go a different idea, if we lose this test India retain trophy. Is it wise to bring in new players that are currently in T20 mode and with such a small turn around between tests is it fair to the new players to be given such a small amount of time to refine their game back to test level standard? 
To me that would be like getting 2 new openers making them fly for 20 hours and then go out to bat a day after landing, then not play them again, because the jet lag affected their performance.
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brilliant getting a 6 then a 1

boundary followed by one sucks the energy out of the opposition

need to do that over and over again throughout a match
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good shot khawaja

Need to sustain that 4 overs in a row
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top 6 first class averages for next test regardless of CA contracts. End of story

Marcus is not (yet) one of them so should never have been picked
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Harris also an F. He should be given the three remaining matches of the summer. Or should he?  Ferguson and Faulkner were given a measly solitary Test. He has had two more than them.

faulkner's 1st class stats justify his inclusion as one of the 4 specialist bowlers
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baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 12:16 PM
grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 11:55 AM

Baggy Green..Test team. They other is a yucky yellow cap.

Harris also an F. He should be given the three remaining matches of the summer. Or should he?  Ferguson and Faulkner were given a measly solitary Test. He has had two more than them.
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grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 11:55 AM
baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 11:52 AM

You mean the test team? Or all formats?

I think he is very good in the shorter formats?

Baggy Green..Test team. They other is a yucky yellow cap.
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khawaja should dance to around 2-3 balls an over to get the 3m in his advantage and force a short or leg side ball
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if you can take risks and score 4 rpo against a spinner around 4-5 overs in a row and it will often cause a change to your advantage. Thats why its worth risking shots against a spinner
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baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 12:04 PM
MikeR - 29 Dec 2018 12:00 PM

Jadeja loving the footmarks. Lyon looked impotent bowling into them.

. Khawaja taking on Jadeja. Good to see. Just dont get reckless. 

Tactically there is so much benefit to attacking a spinner if you can pull it off

If a spinner can keep it tight or get wickets they get a lot of wickets at the other end because the quicks can be fresh all day

if the spinner has to be taken off then the quicks have to use more gas and it makes everything easier
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MikeR - 29 Dec 2018 12:00 PM
baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 11:55 AM

That may be so Baggers, but Hartley was best keeper for a decade doesn't mean he gets selected. Selectors went with what they deemed best batsman keeper 2nd. Thus Haddin Wade Nevill. So if selectors true to form they will go best batsman keeper and that is Peirson. Unless there is something bias in the selection of Haddin and Nevill and it is just a one off occurrence.

 Hartley was the best. I pushed for him too. It is not news that we have had biased selectors in the past. Hopefully that is no longer the case.
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baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 11:55 AM

That may be so Baggers, but Hartley was best keeper for a decade doesn't mean he gets selected. Selectors went with what they deemed best batsman keeper 2nd. Thus Haddin Wade Nevill. So if selectors true to form they will go best batsman keeper and that is Peirson. Unless there is something bias in the selection of Haddin and Nevill and it is just a one off occurrence.

Jadeja loving the footmarks. Lyon looked impotent bowling into them.

. Khawaja taking on Jadeja. Good to see. Just dont get reckless. 
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baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 11:55 AM

That may be so Baggers, but Hartley was best keeper for a decade doesn't mean he gets selected. Selectors went with what they deemed best batsman keeper 2nd. Thus Haddin Wade Nevill. So if selectors true to form they will go best batsman keeper and that is Peirson. Unless there is something bias in the selection of Haddin and Nevill and it is just a one off occurrence.

surprised peter neville didn't get more chances
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MikeR - 29 Dec 2018 11:47 AM

Parochial Mike strikes again. We want the best keeper as the national gloveman. That is Carey.

That may be so Baggers, but Hartley was best keeper for a decade doesn't mean he gets selected. Selectors went with what they deemed best batsman keeper 2nd. Thus Haddin Wade Nevill. So if selectors true to form they will go best batsman keeper and that is Peirson. Unless there is something bias in the selection of Haddin and Nevill and it is just a one off occurrence.
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Ironically I think Paine should be  our test keeper & probably VC, we need some good long term test players to build a team around.
It's the captaincy that is affecting his keeping & is unfair on him - Having a keeper / captain is what I keep complaining about,
it's just too much for 1 person to do, especially if your in the field for 2 hot days.
What we do for the next year or so for a captain is a real problem, made by CA & in particular the selectors.
I've gone thru the list of contracted players & there is just not anyone there.
Look at that list, drop Finch there is no other opener contracted, drop both Marsh's, no batsman to replace Shaun.
Whilst on this I would really like to see Agar put in as the ar for SCG.

if only there wasn't pressure to select contracted players
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grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 11:35 AM
jaszyjim - 29 Dec 2018 11:34 AM

who do you think is our best keeper

I have no opinion on this so can be swayed any direction (including just choosing our best wk batsman)

Ironically I think Paine should be  our test keeper & probably VC, we need some good long term test players to build a team around.
It's the captaincy that is affecting his keeping & is unfair on him - Having a keeper / captain is what I keep complaining about,
it's just too much for 1 person to do, especially if your in the field for 2 hot days.
What we do for the next year or so for a captain is a real problem, made by CA & in particular the selectors.
I've gone thru the list of contracted players & there is just not anyone there.
Look at that list, drop Finch there is no other opener contracted, drop both Marsh's, no batsman to replace Shaun.
Whilst on this I would really like to see Agar put in as the ar for SCG.
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baggygreenmania - 29 Dec 2018 11:52 AM
grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 11:45 AM

 Short term form and short format form. Finch should never again be seen in a Baggy Green.

You mean the test team? Or all formats?

I think he is very good in the shorter formats?
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MikeR - 29 Dec 2018 11:47 AM
grazorblade - 29 Dec 2018 11:35 AM

Best keeper batsman in Australia is Peirson averages 37 this year, 32 overall excellent behind the stumps plus is captain of the current shield holders QLD
Best keeper is Alex Carey but batting 29 average but that rose 3 points recently with 100* was only 27

Others Seb Gotch av 31 av 28 this year
Inglis av 32 overall av 28 this year

Parochial Mike strikes again. We want the best keeper as the national gloveman. That is Carey.
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