Arnold thrived in a league where the competition was artificially restricted to the same level (or lower). At least Popovic and Ange have had a crack at overseas, same with Harry Kewell. Our coaches need to succeed overseas before being considered for the Socceroos gig, which is the reason why Muscat shouldn't be considered - great A-league success, but he's done it at the League's biggest club in an artificially restricted competition.

This thread and many of the comments in it are a rediculous over-reaction to one match.

As much as I dislike Arnold this thread is ridiculous, judge him at the end of the tournament. If we fail to at least make it out of the group stages Arnold must go.  

We knew 12 fucking years ago that he was a fraud in Asian football and he has done nothing since to disprove that. Once we get out of the A-League bubble, this bloke is assistant manager material at best.

I don't see any other coach doing much better imo with what we've got.

Well I said it right after his appointment was announced before the WC. What a stupid decision, but the ffa is run by gumbies.

No Aussie coach for the next 20 years!

Aussie coaches are way behind Aussie players, which is clearly evident. Aussie players are making it overseas, no Aussie coaches have similar success.

Unless an Aussie coach has been solid in any of the top 5 leagues in Europe for at least 3 years in a row, he should not even be considered. 

i agree that he should be judged by the tournament on the whole but i think that anything less than making the semies and he should go (actual personal preference was anything less than making the final but that was skewed by personal dislike of Arnold and on having a fully fit squad).

A-League success means practically nothing.

Nobody hires a bicycle mechanic for the position as airplane engineer. 

Poor analogy but you made your point.

After Arnie international experience with Hiddink he seemed to have changed for the better. Demonstrated by the success with CCM and SFC so why not give him a try after the ordinary foreigners post Hiddink? It's been only one game FFS.

The Wright Brothers invented the airplane and they literally were bicycle mechanics lol

possibly true...   but he shouldn't have been hired in the first place. FFA got BVM instead of him for the previous world cup.  Why?   If he's not good enough for the world cup, then he's not good enough now!   He didn't do well in the ACL, and in 2007 he took an experienced battle hardened Socceroos side to the Asian Cup and didn't do well, so what was FFA thinking, giving him the gig?

this. face it, we are just a shit team

Thailand have sacked their coach.

As to Arnold he got his sums wrong. The other games have been fine. A speed hump and very frustrating but we need to give him the chance to bounce back. If he keeps getting found out we'll know what to do. 

Knowing his deluded self-confidence. He'll play a shit team and tactics and lose the next one by a mile. 

Nothing like a good ol' AFC mid-group stage coach sacking.

It's all Adam Peacock's fault.

Speaking of which, he never fronted the media after the match, did he?

Haven't heard a single quote from him after the full time whistle. Am I out of the loop or has he gone into hiding?

He did. I caught the end of it. Said something about it was his job to pick the boys up and that he knows how to do that. Maybe he’s planning a tea party with some fairy bread. We’ll see.

lol

Arnold has never done any good in the Asian Champions League either am I correct?

No one ever brought that up as maybe being a problem. 

He did the news conference. Sounded quite upbeat. Said it was better to lose in the first game than later. 

BTW, this massive overreaction to last night's loss is more disappointing than the loss itself. People are being completely irrational. 

A lot of reactions coming from an emotional place rather than an analytic place, to be sure.

I can say I wasn't confident in his appointment in the first place, and even if we win the cup I hope the FFA can extricate itself and find an overseas coach with a clean slate to start us off on the next World Cup cycle.

Sydney F.C.'s record under Arnold in the Asian Champions League was dismal.

2 shots at it, the first of which we got 90 seconds away from a quarter final? Hardly "dismal". 

Admittedly last season's performance was pretty ordinary.

Not bad, but not great either. I think to be able to coach AC well, you'd need to be winning games here at least, with decent players too.

If your decent players aren't any good in ACL, then that would be a measuring stick for the quality of the league / A-League.

I don't think ours are that unique in this cup. Maybe if Mooy , Arzani, and Boyle were here. 

Having a look...

In five goes (3 with CCM, 2 with Sydney) out of 24 games he has 9 wins, 10 draws and 15 losses.

Tony Popovic (3 tries with WSW obviously including the big trophy) with 26 games has 12 wins, 4 draws and 10 losses.

Muscat (3 with Victory) 20 games, 6 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses.

Loss ratio: Kev 30.0%, Popa 38.5%, Arnie 62.5%.

I.e. I don't think Nabbout will have some ground breaking tournament with how he's been performing against pretty similar oppositions. 

Yeah, just not a lot more you can go on. Realistically, you would want about 60 more games in that per manager. ACL is really not up2 scratch as a comp. 

Poppa or Arnie, both probably wouldn't have mattered. You could argue maybe Poppa was more up for it at the time. 

Think you mean 34 games. Converting to % of possible points. 

Muscat: 26 of 60 possible points (43%)

Popa: 40 of 78 possible points (51%)

Arnie: 37 of 102 possible points (36%)

In fairness to Arnie, his CCM run in the ACL shouldn't be taken since CCM never took it seriously. 

This is all the AFC has. I don't understand what's so hard about just uploading the full presser... and without music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beduRAMUhBY

GAs term not mine: "the ball just didn't seem to bounce".

Why?

If we fail to make the final bar playing Japan/SK prior it should be seen as a failure and a replacement should be lined up