Let’s not bother to qualify for the WC then since it will be in the Middle East...

Doesn't help with all the injuries we had.

-PB

Me to a T. 

I've got bad news for you about the location of the next World Cup...

With temperatures in the mid 20s - perfect for football. Qatar in November 2022 will be a different matter.

Qatar weather won't be an issue either tbh. Went there in December, it was low 20's and remained so all day.

God sake...

Winning is the expectation.

How does Arnie's general gameplan we saw at this Asian cup differ to that of Ange?

Seriously question. Identify one fundamental difference.

Of course. You can't polish a turd.

But if they give me $1.4m I will certainly have a go.

You sure about that?

What can you do with a pile of shit?

Seriously. Some of you actually believe we have a squad.

Arnie has completely lost me after his decisions at the Asian Cup. Sainsbury could easily be replaced with a traffic cone. MacLaren is about to be dumped from his club due to poor form and had no business playing more than 30 minutes total in the tournament. Mabil was the star of the tournament and he failed to start him in the Quarter final. We fluked a once in a lifetime journey to reach the final of Uzbekistan, UAE, Qatar and he stuffed it up. He won't be sacked until the WC qualification in about two years but if he plays quality European/South American teams in the meantime he is going to be raped.

Lol this - the pitches were perfect and the weather was gorgeous. It's not the same as playing at 11pm at night and it's still 35 degrees in June...

Wait, to people saying Ange was forced out... Did I miss something? He chose to resign...

Yep a disappointing tournament in the end, but I don’t believe another manager would have performed any better with the cattle available.

Sure we can sack Arnie and keep rotating the manager like the Australian Prime Ministership, but that won’t change anything tbh.

If we can’t do anything, we shouldn’t be paying someone 1.4m for the job. Personally, I think we can do better but we might need to pay much more...

We should probably stop talking about the money in terms of Arnie's performance. What he is being paid was probably only his market rate as there was interest for other coaching jobs. You probably don't want your National team coach taking a pay cut to do the job.

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/arnold-reveals-worldwide-interest-480981

@Burtzur

What salary are you suggesting for another ‘average-level’ manager then?

Hoping that someone might do it for free for the exposure?

What salary would be required to attract a ‘top-level’ manager to take on the Australia job for the next 4 years?

5mil min.

-PB

It would be a lot less if we didnt require the manager to 'live in Australia' since more then half the squad is overseas i never understood why this was important but what do you do? 

You easily get someone from Eastern Europe to do it for less then what Aronald is on now and do a much better job

Here is what the national team coaches got paid at the last WC. Anyone who thinks GA deserves similar money to Roberto Martinez is on serious drugs!

All 32 Fifa World Cup 2018 Coaches Salaries (Revealed)

Managers	Annual Salary	Team
Joachim Löw	€3.85 million	Germany
Tite	€3.5 million	Brazil
Didier Deschamps	€3.5 million	France
Julen Lopetegui	€3 million	Spain
Stanislav Cherchesov	€2.6 million	Russia
Fernando Santos	€2.25 million	Portugal
Carlos Queiroz	€2 million	Iran
Gareth Southgate	€2 million	England
Jorge Sampaoli	€1.8 million	Argentina
Óscar Tabárez	€1.7 million	Uruguay
Héctor Cúper	€1.5 million	Egypt
José Pékerman	€1.5 million	Colombia
Juan Antonio Pizzi	€1.44 million	Saudi Arabia
TBC	€1.25 milllion	Australia
Ricardo Gareca	€1.15 million	Peru
Juan Carlos Osorio	€1.05 million	Mexico
Åge Hareide	€1 million	Denmark
Vahid Halilhodžić	€1 million	Japan
Roberto Martínez	€1 million	Belgium
Vladimir Petković	€850,000	Switzerland
Hervé Renard	€780,000	Morocco
Heimir Hallgrímsson	€700,000	Iceland
Zlatko Dalić	€550,000	Croatia
Gernot Rohr	€500,000	Nigeria
Janne Andersson	€450,000	Sweden
Shin Tae-yong	€450,000	South Korea
Hernán Darío Gómez	€400,000	Panama
Nabil Maâloul	€350,000	Tunisia
Mladen Krstajić	€300,000	Serbia
Adam Nawałka	€270,000	Poland
Aliou Cissé	€200,000	Senegal
Óscar Ramírez	€350,000	Costa Rica

ffa really bending over to make sure graham gets the most satisfaction possible. Crazy really considering his qualifications.
 Trouble is football admin has been such a rabble for so long, seriously when did we have a technical director,  any decent coach with international and big league experience will think twice about coaching, especially if we insist they relicate here

Arnie is actually the best Australian coach for the job. I can't think of any other local coach (other than Ange) qualified for the job. Arnie was the best domestic coach at the time from CCM and SFC success. If we had to pick an Aussie, he is the only real choice.

I'm not expecting the NT coach to work for free but simply highlighting the fact that those who are saying "Arnie did as well as any other manager" to accept that if that's the case, we are spending a lot of money for nothing extra. The reality is the manager does have a lot of influence on the team and Arnie must shoulder some responsibility. 

To be honest, $1.4m isn't too much in the grand scheme of things but the FFA could consider looking for a 'top level' manager but that would cost a lot more than $1.4m if you look at the above table.

@Burztur

I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said.

Which is why I don’t believe sacking Arnie will achieve anything.

FFA aren’t going to come up with the cash for a top-level manager for the next 4 years, so the alternative is another Aussie coach even less-proven than Arnie/Ange, or some B-grade Euro hack who could be a lot worse than Arnie, picking 34 year olds to fill our team with like the Holger days.

On the same coin as arnie....vladamir petkovich won the italia cup with Lazio and has coached switzerland from a meh team to a pretty good one with a 58 percent win rate. Same pay as arnie....

Fair enough. I just don't know what we can do. We're limping along and seeing other countries develop their football programs and I don't want to be in a position 3-4 years from now saying the exact same thing. If Arnie is the best we have, then we (and I really mean the FFA), should be doing more in other areas to maximise success. 

1. Why are we insisting that it must be an australian who is our coach? Until aussie coaches are proving themselves why pride ourselves on taking second best?
2. Why are we taking A league performance seriously,  when our clubs have been performing so poorly in asia of late.
3. Paying arnie the same as a mid level coach wont make him one. Outside of the A league he is consistently poor. Big fish in a small pond.
4. until the ffa can get its house in order. Like have a technical director, greater transparency, a clear road map for expansion and second div, greater government support, real youth development options and review then we eill continue to tread water and be unattractive for any international coach

This is the real issue - in the "the future" thread 5 years ago, the same problems were flagged and nothing has changed. Football is being developed in a half cocked manner and we are expecting world class results. It doesn't add up. 

All very good valid points Redcarded.......particularly point 4.

“4. until the ffa can get its house in order. Like have a technical director, greater transparency, a clear road map for expansion and second div, greater government support, real youth development options and review then we eill continue to tread water and be unattractive for any international coach”
- redcarded

Haha...burtzur just beat me....but i’ll leave the post up as it’s a point worth highlighting twice.

well thats the real problem isnt it for all the GA out he is only a small part of the problem. 

We are not producing players! simply put non of the players who played in that Asian cup squad would of made the starting 11 in the 2006 squad and the question is WHY? how has the standard dropped so much? 

I am the biggest critic of the standard of the HAL but for all intensive purposes it is and has been better then the NSL for at least the last 4 years - is it simply there is too few teams and not enough talent getting a chance to play? and develop? 

It cant be 'money' because there is more money in Aussie football then there has EVER been?

it has to be an issue with grass roots?? perhaps the lack of pathways? 

Honestly i dont know what is wrong with Aus football but GA isnt the right man to be leading the national team as much as Gallop isnt the right man to be leading the FFA.

I feel like in 4 years from now post world cup we will be in the same situation we are in now wondering why!?